From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Fri Apr 2 02:57:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id CAA17775; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 02:57:09 GMT Received: from pop1.tm.net.my (pop.tm.net.my [202.188.95.1]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA17770 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 02:57:07 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.231.173]) by pop1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990402025701.BRZA276@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:57:01 +0800 Message-ID: <006e01be7cb4$56f978a0$ade7bcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] Re: New ARIN policy? (Attention Becky Burr) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:48:55 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Williams To: list@inet-access.net Cc: jim.elsenbeck@sciatl.com ; arin ; arin Council ; ARIN list ; bburr@ntia.doc.gov ; IFWP Discussion List Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 8:00 AM Subject: [IFWP] Re: New ARIN policy? (Attention Becky Burr) >Jim and all, > >Jim, this doesn't seem quite proper procedure form ARIN I agree. >Thank you for informing of this one. You could contact ARIN >directly and see if there can be anything done of this. You best >bet however is to go over their head to the NTIA and Becky Burr. >I am copying her on this response... > >Jim Elsenbeck wrote: > >> I'm getting closer to my start date, and my backbone >> provider contacted me (for the 3rd time) about my IP >> needs. They said that ARIN just changed their policy >> so they can't give me a class-C address, only 128 IP >> numbers. >> >> Anybody heard anything like this? >> >> They did provide a rather lengthy form I can fill out >> to 'justify' more IPs, but I am a startup so it is >> difficult for me to answer some of the questions. Any >> one willing to help me? >> >> jim >> >> - >> Send 'unsubscribe' in the body to 'list-request@inet-access.net' to leave. >> Eat sushi frequently. inet@inet-access.net is the human contact address. > >Regards, > >-- >Jeffrey A. Williams >CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. >Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. >E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com >Contact Number: 972-447-1894 >Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 > > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Fri Apr 2 02:57:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id CAA17765; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 02:56:58 GMT Received: from pop1.tm.net.my (pop.tm.net.my [202.188.95.1]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA17757 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 02:56:54 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.231.173]) by pop1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990402025649.BRYT276@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:56:49 +0800 Message-ID: <006d01be7cb4$50095920$ade7bcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] ARIN playing games again? [Fwd: New ARIN policy?] Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:43:01 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01BE7CF5.94E32B20" Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BE7CF5.94E32B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Williams To: IFWP Discussion List Cc: Domain policy ; domain-open-rsc.org Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 7:45 AM Subject: [IFWP] ARIN playing games again? [Fwd: New ARIN policy?] >All, > > Another FYI! Is ARIN playing games yet again with IP address >assingment? Looks like it! > >Regards, > >-- >Jeffrey A. Williams >CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. >Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. >E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com >Contact Number: 972-447-1894 >Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 > > ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BE7CF5.94E32B20 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: New ARIN policy? Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from inet-access.net (inet-access.net [207.8.186.50]) by ixmail10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.7-s-4/8.8.7/(NETCOM v1.01)) with SMTP id GAA19333; for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 06:07:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1976 invoked by uid 108); 30 Mar 1999 14:05:30 -0000 Delivered-To: list@inet-access.net Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990330090324.0083fca0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: elsenbeck@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:03:24 -0500 To: list@inet-access.net, jim.elsenbeck@sciatl.com From: Jim Elsenbeck Subject: New ARIN policy? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-list@inet-access.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: list@inet-access.net I'm getting closer to my start date, and my backbone provider contacted me (for the 3rd time) about my IP needs. They said that ARIN just changed their policy so they can't give me a class-C address, only 128 IP numbers. Anybody heard anything like this? They did provide a rather lengthy form I can fill out to 'justify' more IPs, but I am a startup so it is difficult for me to answer some of the questions. Any one willing to help me? jim - Send 'unsubscribe' in the body to 'list-request@inet-access.net' to leave. Eat sushi frequently. inet@inet-access.net is the human contact address. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01BE7CF5.94E32B20-- From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Fri Apr 2 02:57:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id CAA17822; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 02:57:36 GMT Received: from pop1.tm.net.my (pop.tm.net.my [202.188.95.1]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA17815 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 02:57:32 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.231.173]) by pop1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990402025711.BRZJ276@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:57:11 +0800 Message-ID: <006f01be7cb4$5e46ac40$ade7bcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] [Fwd: Article on ISP competition] Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:49:03 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01BE7CF6.6CA982C0" Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01BE7CF6.6CA982C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Williams To: IFWP Discussion List Cc: Domain policy ; domain-open-rsc.org Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 8:25 AM Subject: [IFWP] [Fwd: Article on ISP competition] >All, > > Check this out. Very interesting. > >Regards, >-- >Jeffrey A. Williams >CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. >Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. >E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com >Contact Number: 972-447-1894 >Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 > > ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01BE7CF6.6CA982C0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: Article on ISP competition Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from inet-access.net (inet-access.net [207.8.186.50]) by ixmail1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.7-s-4/8.8.7/(NETCOM v1.01)) with SMTP id IAA10325; for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27593 invoked by uid 108); 30 Mar 1999 16:33:45 -0000 Delivered-To: list@inet-access.net Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990330113018.006a92c4@pop.radix.net> X-Sender: dweightman@pop.radix.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:30:32 -0500 To: list@inet-access.net From: Donald Weightman Subject: Article on ISP competition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-list@inet-access.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: list@inet-access.net This article is forwarded with Andy Oram's permission. Don Weightman ====================================== I started this article as a general overview of policy issues interesting ISPs (mostly CIX) but it turned into a discussion mostly about access to the last mile. I thought it might be of interest to this list. The opinion piece is currently at the American Reporter site, which is at: http://www.american-reporter.com/ Tomorrow I'll give the article a permanent home (along with suitable hypertext links and an index of related articles) at: http://www.oreilly.com/~andyo/ar/agenda_isp.html The article can be redistributed online, with author and newspaper attributions intact, for non-profit use. For printing or commercial use, please contact Joe Shea, publisher of the American Reporter, at JoeShea1@ix.netcom.com. Andy --- THE POLICY AGENDAS OF INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS by Andy Oram American Reporter Correspondent CAMBRIDGE, MASS. -- Plenty of people have an agenda for the Internet. They range from Al Gore asking for more wires in the schools, to conservative Congressmen asking for more wires from Bell telephone companies; from libraries promoting uncensored access, to music studios promoting restrictions on the dissemination of copyrighted material. But few users realize that the people bringing us the Internet have agendas too. In this column, we hear from Internet Service Providers in the United States and their representatives. Until three years ago, few service providers followed legislation through Congress or hired lawyers to hang around the Federal Communications Commission. They had enough trouble hooking up enough routers to satisfy the armies of new users hungry for email, keeping lines free from congestion, and fixing poorly configured look-up services. The Communications Decency Act was a wake-up call to many ISPs. With its vague provisions for assigning responsibility to "interactive computer services," it made them realize that politics intrudes on the business of providing access. About the same time (1996-1997), the Bell telephone companies finally realized the Internet was an important market and brought in some serious competition, dragging along with them several decades' worth of regulatory bureaucracy. For evidence of awakened ISP attentions, take the Commercial Internet eXchange (CIX) -- the largest consortium of ISPs in the world, if you measure by volume of traffic. CIX was founded in 1991 to provide the first commercial access to the Internet backbone, part of the Internet community's conscious move away from government dependence. Three years ago, its executive director, Barbara Dooley, started a new legislative focus that brought it back to policy tables. CIX helped to fund the ACLU's successful challenge to the CDA. Last year, Dooley claims that CIX was a major force in winning a turnaround in the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and reducing its regulation of ISPs and other Web site providers to just about the minimum acceptable to copyright holders. The Copyright Act was a model for this year's Internet gambling bill, which replaces a bill CIX helped to defeat last year. According to public policy director Eric Lee, CIX also publicized the problems with a bill called Murkowski-Torricelli, which was advertised as a cure for spamming (unsolicited commercial email) but would actually have legitimized and entrenched it. Now Internet providers have lawyers who work on bills across the legislative spectrum. Regulatory issues will appear in several panels at the next ISPCON, the major conference for service providers. The two chairs of the House Internet Caucus, Congressmen Rick Boucher and Bob Goodlatte of Virginia, are planning broad legislation that will cover a number of hot topics. Boucher -- who cosponsored a copyright act in 1997 that was widely praised by the technical and research community -- told me the new legislation would try to be a "comprehensive solution for the major challenges that confront the Internet today." For him, these include: - the ability of Internet providers to deal with spam problems that often slow and clog their services; - ensuring that anyone visiting a Web site will have notice of information being collected; - the need to authorize digital signatures for all commercial transactions; - an open architecture, so that no ISP is denied access to customer base by companies that provide transport; - resolution of bandwidth scarcity in the "last mile" and parts of the backbone. Behind each of those agenda items, of course, lies a world of controversy. (For instance, privacy action groups would like a lot more than "notice" of information collected; they want restrictions on its use.) If the comprehensive bill ever emerges, it will hopefully receive all the debate and public scrutiny that the Telecom Act of 1996 should have had, but did not. It is over the "last mile" that ISPs are now fighting, perhaps for their very lives. Before a number of regulatory bodies -- in states, in cities, and before the FCC -- they are demanding access to phone lines and cable services that deliver data to residences. Their representatives are also in some disagreement about how to proceed. The last mile issue springs from the near-monopoly control over wires going into people's homes in most communities. Few cities have more than one cable provider, and almost none have a telephone carrier competing with the Bell company for residential service. Furthermore, mergers are reducing the number of players. This was actually the plan behind the notorious Telecom Act of 1996. Congress hoped to increase competition indirectly by (ironically) decreasing the number of communications companies. In this plan, large companies were supposed build up resources through mergers and then enter each other's turf. In pursuit of the goal, the Telecom Act deliberately relaxed limits on multiple ownership and entry into markets. The new regulatory environment may indeed lead eventually to some sort of competition -- two or three companies in each locality that can offer you everything from video to voice. But what about the more than 6,500 independent ISPs in this country? Until the past year, no company could put a roadblock along the information highway. Individuals dialed up ISPs as they did to make appointments at their local hair-and-nail salons. But then high-speed data became possible through cable modems and Digital Subscriber Line telephone service. If the Joneses got it and you didn't, you'd be so ashamed you wouldn't even engage them in Internet Relay Chat. Phone companies can make life hard for ISPs trying to offer high-speed access over DSL. Mark O'Connor, an attorney representing CIX before the FCC, says, "If the last mile were truly competitive, it is likely that prices for delivering data services would fall and the variety of Internet services offered by ISPs would greatly increase for the benefit of consumers." Some commentators suspect that Bell pricing is high enough to make it impossible for ISPs to offer DSL at a profit. Cable is even worse for ISPs, because here there is no effective regulation and not even the fledgling competition provided in telephone service by competing carriers. Now there are rumors that cable service providers @Home and Road Runner may merge (following the recently announced merger of their leading partners, Comcast and MediaOne -- a merger they promoted as a way to expand further into the data market). That would leave a single monopoly Internet provider in the cable modem market. The president of AT&T denied that a merger in data services was being discussed, however. ISPs are mobilizing on many fronts, both national and local, to clear the roadblocks. Nationally, CIX is asking the FCC not to give the Bell companies any new opportunities to enter long-distance markets, or to offer expanded DSL service, till there is competition in DSL. A newly formed organization called the OpenNET Coalition is putting similar pressure on cable companies. Locally, the DSL issue is fought before state utility commissions that regulate phone companies, while the cable issue appears before city utility commissions that grant licenses to cable providers. The open access issue has opened a bit of rivalry between ISPs. CIX representatives Dooley and Lee call the cable issue a distraction; to them, tying cable access to DSL access will only slow down DSL access. In defense of the OpenNET Coalition, the number of cable modem customers is an order of magnitude greater than the number using DSL, and the monopoly of cable companies on their particular segment of data access is much more blatant. Dave Baker of MindSpring, an Internet provider and cofounder of the OpenNET Coalition, says, "Cable bills have doubled in less than 10 years. Is the cable model of pricing and lousy customer service going to become the Internet model?" It doesn't help you in sorting out the issues to learn that one founding member of the OpenNET Coalition is U.S. West, the first Bell company to deploy DSL and thus the one most in the thick of battles with ISPs. Correspondingly, CIX counts as one of its members AT&T, the company that kicked off the cable controversy by merging with TCI, promising to vastly increase cable modem coverage around the country, and insisting that all customers go through the TCI service provider @Home for Internet access. After ensuring access to their customers, the next agenda item of the Internet providers is to avoid liability for what Internet users do on their services. Luckily, U.S. legislators and courts are getting the message, as the outcome of the CDA, the copyright bill, and the gambling act show. The copyright bill originally included liability provisions that put providers of Web services at risk when anyone renting space on their servers put up infringing material. The final bill includes complex provisions protecting these services, requiring in return only that the administrators register with the Copyright Office. Dooley considers this a very fair exchange and an excellent outcome. (We are considering just the provisions affecting ISPs in this article, not the other controversial provisions of that enormous bill). The gambling bill originally was "a horror" for ISPs. For instance, it would allow a court to require that an ISP block access from a particular user to a particular site. Current language still places some responsibility on the ISP, but absolves it when blocking is "technically or economically unfeasible." Lee says that CIX is "optimistic" about the bill from the ISP standpoint, but adds with some cynicism that their achievement involved making the bills' supporters reduce their expectations. One attorney general, for instance, went from calling the bill a solution to saying it would be "a statement of policy." Lee comments, "Legislation that its sponsors know won't be effective, and can't be effectively enforced, is an unsound approach to making public policy." I am personally wary of the "technically or economically unfeasible" language, which is reminiscent of wishy-washy legislation passed elsewhere. (For instance, a German lawyer pointed it out to me in German regulation of pornography and hate speech on the Internet.) Such nose-in-the-tent language gives prosecutors and judges the notion that they can determine what is feasible, and to drag ISPs into cases where they don't deserve to be. Liability problems rear their heads more often in other countries, as for instance in France last month when the ISP altern.org was forced to pay for unauthorized pornographic poses put up by an anonymous user, or even more recently in England when the ISP Demon Internet was held responsible for libelous statements that it failed to remove from a newsgroup. I asked Dooley to define her general philosophy regarding Internet policy, and she said, "Let the market work." This means a balancing act where regulation does not hamper ISPs, but offers a protective environment for an industry that is still small, where businesses are barely breaking even, and where the surrounding environment is still being regulated. Thus, she is pleased that the FCC -- which has generally been favorable to ISPs -- is maintaining the exemption of information service providers from fees and charges levied on telecom providers. It would kill most ISPs to change the rules before they are profitable and stable. Internet access is an old-fashioned American success story, carried out by thousands of local, minimally financed individuals working with little more than a pair of pliers, a soldering iron, and a vision. Now, according to a brochure circulated by the U.S. ISP Alliance (of which CIX is a member), 96% of Americans can reach at least four ISPs through a local call -- that's competition. And the other 4% can reach at least one ISP through a local call or 800 number. This is an astounding success, and it was achieved not through regulation or major investment from a huge corporation, but through the efforts of college students, computer administrators, and curious techno-tinkerers, often working part time. Perhaps the age of Internet innocence is over, at least in the United States. ISPs can now read FCC notices as readily as Cisco router documentation. As we have seen, they've found that they have to partner with deep-pocketed players and compromise with entrenched interests on the Hill. But ISPs are going to be heard from now on in policy and legislative circles. -30- Andy Oram is moderator of the Cyber Rights mailing list for Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility, and an editor at O'Reilly & Associates. * * * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: uswisp-unsubscribe@lists.nm.org For additional commands, e-mail: uswisp-help@lists.nm.org - Send 'unsubscribe' in the body to 'list-request@inet-access.net' to leave. Eat sushi frequently. inet@inet-access.net is the human contact address. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01BE7CF6.6CA982C0-- From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Fri Apr 2 02:57:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id CAA17846; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 02:57:49 GMT Received: from pop1.tm.net.my (pop.tm.net.my [202.188.95.1]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA17838 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 02:57:46 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.231.173]) by pop1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990402025738.BRZY276@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:57:38 +0800 Message-ID: <007001be7cb4$6d0a4660$ade7bcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] Re: New ARIN policy? Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:50:14 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Williams To: list@inet-access.net Cc: arin ; arin Council ; ARIN list ; emaxwell@doc.gov ; bburr@ntia.doc.gov ; IFWP Discussion List ; Jim Fleming Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 8:38 AM Subject: [IFWP] Re: New ARIN policy? >George and all, > > Good points here George, and I completely agree. ARIN has been >in question for it's very existence ever sense Jon Postel (Once a member >of the ARIN Board) decided to split up IP allocation assignments >due to the IANA's inability to handle the load back in early 1996. >Their policies with respect to startup companies getting the >allocations they need based on the restrictive policies that ARIN >invokes through RFC's 1918, 2050 and 1917 are a barrier to >good competition that were both unnecessary and evasive or >harmful the ISP industry, and remain so. > > It seems to me that the NTIA and Becky Burr needs and has needed >to step in here an rectify these problems for some time but have >either refused or neglected to do so, for what reason I am not >aware of.... > >George Robbins wrote: > >> > Jim Elsenbeck wrote: >> > > >> > > I'm getting closer to my start date, and my backbone >> > > provider contacted me (for the 3rd time) about my IP >> > > needs. They said that ARIN just changed their policy >> > > so they can't give me a class-C address, only 128 IP >> > > numbers. >> > >> > >> > >> > Granted the board doesn't have to notify the AC of any policy changes, but I >> > have a feeling they would have if they had done this. >> > >> > So I doubt that this has happened. >> > >> > ARIN did lower the longest allocation from a /19 to a /20 a few months ago, >> > which may be what they are talking about. >> >> The problem is most likely that the provider is having trouble getting >> any additional address space out of ARIN or their provider under the >> constraints of the ARIN rules and then interpreting how those rules >> apply to *their* customers. >> >> We have a boatload of customers who were given out address space based >> on the notion of a Class-C to each leased line or colo-customer. Many >> never reached 25% utilization, but forcing them to renumber or condense >> scatter-shot address allocations to make room for new customers or new >> rules isn't especially practical from a business perspective. >> >> The result is severe difficulty justifying new address space from ARIN >> which would be more wisely allocated according to current rules, while >> immeidate business needs - new customers with blocks of previous-provider >> address space, DSL, etc mount. >> >> ARIN may have stopped the hemmorage of address space, but it's more by >> putting insurmountable barriers of red tape in the way of allocation >> than anything else (IMHO). >> >> The best advice (short of shopping around for a more generous provider) >> is to take the /25 and use it up, if the provider is playing fair >> they'll promptly issue you the rest of that one and the next time a >> /24, and so on. You can also document your *immediate* needs and >> see if you can justify a /24. >> >> George >> - >> Send 'unsubscribe' in the body to 'list-request@inet-access.net' to leave. >> Eat sushi frequently. inet@inet-access.net is the human contact address. > >Regards, > >-- >Jeffrey A. Williams >CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. >Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. >E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com >Contact Number: 972-447-1894 >Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 > > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Fri Apr 2 03:21:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id DAA18900; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 03:21:36 GMT Received: from joaquim.singnet.com.sg (joaquim.singnet.com.sg [165.21.1.20]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA18895; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 03:21:33 GMT Received: from matjes.koerber.org (root@matjes.koerber.org [203.127.219.241]) by joaquim.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19002; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:21:26 +0800 Received: from dean (dean.koerber.org [203.127.219.244]) by matjes.koerber.org (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA20608; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:21:31 +0800 Message-ID: <040d01be7cb7$e3b06440$f4db7fcb@dean.koerber.org> Reply-To: "Mathias Koerber" From: "Mathias Koerber" To: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" , Cc: Subject: please stop reposting.. (was: Re: [IFWP] [Fwd: Article on ISP competition] Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:21:24 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mr "Zen", could you please stop reportsing other mailing-list's articles to this list en masse? Or: Can someone please block re-posts by Mr "Zen" to this list? Many of us see the original postings and do not need to see them here agsin. I would not complain if these were isolated incidents of special importance, but this happens with several articles every day. Mathias -----Original Message----- From: Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch) To: ap-forum@apnic.net Date: Friday, April 02, 1999 11:00 AM Subject: Fw: [IFWP] [Fwd: Article on ISP competition] [...snipped...] From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Fri Apr 2 12:32:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id MAA12091; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:32:33 GMT Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (mta1.tm.net.my [202.188.95.4]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12087 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:32:30 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.160]) by mta1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990402123029.GVKV502@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:30:29 +0800 Message-ID: <009601be7d04$b9a6a540$a03abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] ICANN offends Asian Internet leaders Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:28:16 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Cook To: list@ifwp.org Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 2:04 PM Subject: [IFWP] ICANN offends Asian Internet leaders >I am glad to see this come out into the open after hearing about it >privately from several attendees. > >http://www.internetnews.com/intl-news/article/0,1087,6_89431,00.html > >it is refreshing to see that ICANN's contempt for the internet extends off >line as well as online. > >hans was a special hit apparently when he went screaming out of the room >after dennis jennings.... > >this board ought to get the message and resign. > >On further reflection, i heard from boston meeting attendees that they felt >the board was equally arrogant in boston. > >Esther's PC forum is finsished i wonder if she is going to come back here.... >******************************************************** >431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA| gency & Transformation of Telecomm.See >(609) 882-2572 (phone & fax) | >http://cookreport.com/insurgency.html >cook@cookreport.com | Index to 7 years of >COOK Report, how to >subscribe, exec summaries, special reports, gloss at http://www.cookreport.com >******************************************************** > > > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Fri Apr 2 12:32:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id MAA12109; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:32:43 GMT Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (mta1.tm.net.my [202.188.95.4]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12105 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:32:41 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.160]) by mta1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990402123037.GVKY502@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:30:37 +0800 Message-ID: <009701be7d04$be43ad00$a03abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] ICANN offends Asian Internet leaders Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:28:55 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Izumi AIZU To: list@ifwp.org Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [IFWP] ICANN offends Asian Internet leaders >Although I was one of the more vocal members among the APRICOT >team of people, and I pointed out to Esther during the ICANN Press >Conference in Singapore, that having a press conference without giving notice, >at least, to the local organizer is not acceptable in Asian context, I have >some >reservation about the portion of the article, while I agree most points. > >Thus I do not think that this will call for the resignation of the Board. > >In my opinion, we, the Asian sides, also made some mistakes so >that it resulted rather unfortunate situation. Simply blaming the >guest is not also accepatble for a being a good host that is what >we wanted to be. > >I agreed with Esther that we should learn, learn together. > >Yes, the Board may be arrogant, at times, but I see also others as >arrogant... or more, it's sad to say this. > >best, > >izumi > > >At 00:56 1999/03/31 -0500, Gordon Cook wrote: >> I am glad to see this come out into the open after hearing about it >> privately from several attendees. >> >> http://www.internetnews.com/intl-news/article/0,1087,6_89431,00.html >> >> it is refreshing to see that ICANN's contempt for the internet extends off >> line as well as online. >> >> hans was a special hit apparently when he went screaming out of the room >> after dennis jennings.... >> >> this board ought to get the message and resign. >> >> On further reflection, i heard from boston meeting attendees that they felt >> the board was equally arrogant in boston. >> >> Esther's PC forum is finsished i wonder if she is going to come back here. >.. >> ******************************************************** >> 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA| gency & Transformation of Telecomm. >See >> (609) 882-2572 (phone & fax) | >> http://cookreport.com/insurgency.html >> cook@cookreport.com | Index to 7 years of >> COOK Report, how to >> subscribe, exec summaries, special reports, gloss at http://www.cookreport >.com >> ******************************************************** >> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Izumi Aizu > > Asia Network Research Sdn Bhd > http://www.anr.org > Asia Pacific Internet Association > http://www.apia.org > >>> WRITING THE HISTORY OF THE FUTURE << > (beyond Y2K) >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Fri Apr 2 12:32:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id MAA12128; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:32:54 GMT Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (mta1.tm.net.my [202.188.95.4]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12121 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:32:50 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.160]) by mta1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990402123047.GVLF502@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:30:47 +0800 Message-ID: <009801be7d04$c47389c0$a03abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] ICANN offends Asian Internet leaders Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:29:20 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Williams To: list@ifwp.org Cc: emaxwell@doc.gov ; bburr@ntia.doc.gov ; ICANN Comments ; etrigar@teleline.es ; edyson@edventure.com ; mmr@darwin.ptvy.ca.us ; linda_wilson@radcliffe.edu ; junsec@wide.ad.jp ; gregcrew@iaccess.com.au ; geraldine.capdeboscq@bull.fr ; gconrades@polarisventures.com ; fitzsimmon@dnb.com ; gconrades@icann.org ; gregcrew@icann.org ; roberts@icann.org Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [IFWP] ICANN offends Asian Internet leaders >Izumi, Gordon and all, > >Izumi AIZU wrote: > >> Although I was one of the more vocal members among the APRICOT >> team of people, and I pointed out to Esther during the ICANN Press >> Conference in Singapore, that having a press conference without giving notice, >> at least, to the local organizer is not acceptable in Asian context, I have >> some >> reservation about the portion of the article, while I agree most points. > > This really is only one of the small points where the ICANN "Initial" >and Interim Board has continued to make the same mistake over and >over again. Even the average adult knows better than to make the >same mistake repeatedly. Hence this incident to which Gordon >referred to has been a repeating theme of arrogant and poor behavior >on the part of ICANN in similar types of incidents such as the >Boston meeting. Judging from others reports from the Singapore >meeting it is painfully obvious that this board in most instances >has shown a near total disregard for anyone except themselves.. > >> >> >> Thus I do not think that this will call for the resignation of the Board. > > Not just this one incident alone. The problem is the ICANN continually >is insulting, arrogant, disregarding, condescending, and is acting without >the consensus of the stakeholders in making decisions, such as those >made in Singapore. Given this, there is more than ample reason to >have this ICANN "Initial" and Interim board either step down voluntarily >or be ask to resign.... > >> >> >> In my opinion, we, the Asian sides, also made some mistakes so >> that it resulted rather unfortunate situation. Simply blaming the >> guest is not also accepatble for a being a good host that is what >> we wanted to be. >> >> I agreed with Esther that we should learn, learn together. > > But how many times does Esther or any member of the ICANN >Interim board need to learn the same lesson? > >> >> >> Yes, the Board may be arrogant, at times, but I see also others as >> arrogant... or more, it's sad to say this. > > Many people are arrogant form time to time. But when a group >or individual is in a position such as Esther Dyson or Mike Roberts >and continually of as a matter of habit is arrogant one should began to >question the fitness to serve... > >> >> >> best, >> >> izumi >> >> At 00:56 1999/03/31 -0500, Gordon Cook wrote: >> > I am glad to see this come out into the open after hearing about it >> > privately from several attendees. >> > >> > http://www.internetnews.com/intl-news/article/0,1087,6_89431,00.html >> > >> > it is refreshing to see that ICANN's contempt for the internet extends off >> > line as well as online. >> > >> > hans was a special hit apparently when he went screaming out of the room >> > after dennis jennings.... >> > >> > this board ought to get the message and resign. >> > >> > On further reflection, i heard from boston meeting attendees that they felt >> > the board was equally arrogant in boston. >> > >> > Esther's PC forum is finsished i wonder if she is going to come back here. >> .. >> > ******************************************************** >> > 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA| gency & Transformation of Telecomm. >> See >> > (609) 882-2572 (phone & fax) | >> > http://cookreport.com/insurgency.html >> > cook@cookreport.com | Index to 7 years of >> > COOK Report, how to >> > subscribe, exec summaries, special reports, gloss at http://www.cookreport >> .com >> > ******************************************************** >> > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Izumi Aizu >> >> Asia Network Research Sdn Bhd >> http://www.anr.org >> Asia Pacific Internet Association >> http://www.apia.org >> >> >> WRITING THE HISTORY OF THE FUTURE << >> (beyond Y2K) >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Regards, > >-- >Jeffrey A. Williams >CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. >Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. >E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com >Contact Number: 972-447-1894 >Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 > > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Fri Apr 2 12:33:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id MAA12147; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:33:01 GMT Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (mta1.tm.net.my [202.188.95.4]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12142 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:32:59 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.160]) by mta1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990402123058.GVLN502@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:30:58 +0800 Message-ID: <009901be7d04$cb546700$a03abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] ICANN offends Asian Internet leaders Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:29:30 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Bob Allisat To: Gordon Cook Cc: list@ifwp.org Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [IFWP] ICANN offends Asian Internet leaders > >Gordon Cook wrote: >> hans was a special hit apparently when he went screaming out of >> the room after dennis jennings.... > > Tell us more! I always knew poor, stuffy > Hans would be prone to going ballistic. > Sounds like another amusing story in an > already hilarious melodrama! More! More! > > Bob Allisat > > Free Community Network ... bob@fcn.net __ http://fcn.net > From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Fri Apr 2 12:33:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id MAA12170; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:33:13 GMT Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (mta1.tm.net.my [202.188.95.4]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12160 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:33:07 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.58.160]) by mta1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990402123105.GVLQ502@gtcorp-sys1> for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:31:05 +0800 Message-ID: <009a01be7d04$cf7bf0a0$a03abcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: Subject: Fw: [IFWP] New "Health" Domain Zone Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:29:51 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0091_01BE7D47.8FBE0E60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01BE7D47.8FBE0E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: A.M. Rutkowski To: DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET Cc: list@ifwp.org Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 8:52 PM Subject: [IFWP] New "Health" Domain Zone I began to get email last night from healtcare=20 professionals inquiring about this new domain zone. Sure enough, the Republic of Moldova (MD3-DOM) has=20 apparently transferred responsibility of the .MD=20 zone to a Bonita Springs FL company, Domain Name=20 Trust, Inc. Info is available at: http://www.nic.md/=20 Registration is only $299 per year.=20 If you look at their zone file. It contains=20 several thousand sub-zones covering an array=20 of virtually every medical term, specialty=20 and many companies and practices.=20 The website functions very much like Network=20 Solutions new site.=20 It's actually edifying to see how fast and how many so-called ccTLD sites have morphed into agressive entrepreneurial generic TLD platforms=20 selling diverse DNS brand identities. --tony=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01BE7D47.8FBE0E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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Netizens who believe in traditional American values, who own a Personal Domain Name (i.e. Yourname.com), and who wish to participate in Internet Governance are encouraged to join. SOURCE Iperdome, Inc. Web Site: http://www.pdnha.org Web Site: http://www.iperdome.com http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104STORY=/www/story/04-22- 1999/0000916305EDATE= Respectfully, Jay Fenello President, Iperdome, Inc. 404-943-0524 http://www.iperdome.com Mailto:Jay@Fenello.per.to From owner-ap-forum@ns.apnic.net Mon Apr 26 09:01:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA18485; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:01:40 GMT Received: from cgi1.tm.net.my (provision.tm.net.my [202.188.95.13]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA18479 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:01:38 GMT Received: from gtcorp-sys1 ([202.188.231.238]) by cgi1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990426090135.BJRS9324@gtcorp-sys1>; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:01:35 +0800 Message-ID: <027101be8fc3$20a2fde0$9438bcca@gtcorp-sys1> From: "Woo Wei Xian(Zen) (Exch)" To: , Subject: Information about ap-forum ("The forum") Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:59:41 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ap-forum@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear ap-forum subscribers, To ensure you have a clear expectation of what you will be receiving from the ap-forum list, the ap-forum list owners have defined the purpose of the list below: The ap-forum list was founded for the purpose of keeping the AP community updated of (1) the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers ("ICANN") process. 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