From owner-apnic-talk Sun Mar 1 14:17:01 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id OAA23141 for apnic-talk-outgoing; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:17:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from moonsky.apnic.net (moonsky.apnic.net [202.12.28.229]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA23110; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:15:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from apnic.net (yoshiko@localhost) by moonsky.apnic.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id AAA03947; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 00:25:09 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199802281525.AAA03947@moonsky.apnic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: moonsky.apnic.net: yoshiko owned process doing -bs To: apnic-talk@apnic.net cc: apple@apnic.net, apng-all@apng.org Subject: A few words Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 00:25:08 +0900 From: Yoshiko Okazaki ChongFong Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi, Normally I do not address to the world. However, since I was a part of the subject of the discussion, I feel compelled to respond. I hope that this message will help clarifying the issues about me. I am sorry if you find my reaction a bit retarded. Unfortunately I could not react earlier because I had to take Anne to the Tokyo station on Friday. Please note that the content set forth here represents solely my stance. It does not necessarily reflect the position of Kyoko, for I cannot speak for her. First of all, my responsibilities with APNIC pertain to the role of a hostmaster, which are technical by nature. Business matters such as the issues related to whether there was a need for relocation as well as the location of the APNIC office were not in the scope of my duties. I was informed by piecemeal by Randy and Kyoko. I simply took the information I learned from them for granted. Since the decision was already passed during the AGM in KL, I believe that it was accepted democratically and hence the overall interests of APNIC are far more important than my personal convenience. To attest to this position, immediately after the AG meeting in KL ** last June ** without hesitation and resistance I informed Randy of my decision of not joining APNIC in Australia. More importantly, my decision had nothing to do with the final destination of APNIC office (i.e., Australia). Rather it was a consequence of the fact that my husband would not be able to join me soon enough. Therefore, I never requested for a visa application for Australia nor APNIC ever filed any one on my behalf. Last Thursday Randy asked me that if I was still firm of staying in Japan. I gave him the same answer that I did in KL. In addition, he offered me a chance to work from home after the relocation of APNIC office at least as long as until my upcoming maternity leave terminates or I find a new job. Last but not least I would like to express my sincere gratitude to all of you for everybody's kind consideration. Regards, Yoshiko -APNIC hostmaster ---------------- _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-apnic-talk Mon Mar 2 18:11:38 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id SAA10130 for apnic-talk-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:11:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from postman.ripe.net (postman.ripe.net [193.0.0.199]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA10117 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:11:32 +0900 (JST) Received: (qmail 1929 invoked from network); 2 Mar 1998 09:14:01 -0000 Received: from kantoor.ripe.net (193.0.1.98) by postman.ripe.net with SMTP; 2 Mar 1998 09:14:01 -0000 Received: from ripe.net (localhost.ripe.net [127.0.0.1]) by kantoor.ripe.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10960; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:14:00 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199803020914.KAA10960@kantoor.ripe.net> To: laina@singnet.com.sg, apnic-talk@apnic.net, apple@apnic.net, apng-all@apng.org, Yoshihiro Obata Cc: "David R. Conrad" Subject: Re: APNIC update In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:50:46 +0800. <199802271459.XAA00373@teckla.apnic.net> References: <199802271459.XAA00373@teckla.apnic.net> From: Daniel Karrenberg X-Organization: RIPE Network Coordination Centre X-Phone: +31 20 535 4444 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 10:13:58 +0100 Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Dear APNIC friends, I have been following APNIC's history from a distance but with great interest and sympathy. I have attended quite some APNIC meetings and I did not make it to Manila only due to unforeseen developments which required my presence at the RIPE NCC. My staff and I have numerous contacts with APNIC staff and I have witnessed -from a distance- the developments which lead to the moving of the secretariat and to David's decision to resign. Let me just make a couple of *personal* comments for you all to ponder: To me it is absolutely unthinkable that David would not give *very* careful consideration to the concerns of the staff. David has discussed some decisions regarding APNIC with me. To me it is obvious that his sole concern when making those decisions was the success of APNIC. I recommend to the APNIC *membership* to consider the person David Conrad and what he has achieved on their behalf and offer him an adaequate position within the APNIC structure. Whether this be one of paid "technical director" or unpaid "special advisor" or some such I cannot say. What I can say is that in my opinion you should not loose David and that in order to keep him your explicit support needs to come from the membership at large and be voiced clearly and individually. Daniel Karrenberg _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-apnic-talk Mon Mar 2 19:06:13 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id TAA11091 for apnic-talk-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:06:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from chaiwan.hk.super.net (chaiwan.hk.super.net [202.14.67.34]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id TAA11084; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:06:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from hk.super.net (root@hk.super.net [202.14.67.4]) by chaiwan.hk.super.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA11433; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:09:08 +0800 (HKT) Received: from nt (max8-40.hk.super.net [202.64.24.40]) by hk.super.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA13583; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:09:05 +0800 (HKT) Message-Id: <199803021009.SAA13583@hk.super.net> X-Sender: pindar@pop.hk.super.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 18:06:50 +0000 To: apng-all@apng.org From: Pindar Wong Subject: APNIC Chair and DG Clarification Cc: "David R. Conrad" , Daniel Karrenberg , apnic-talk@apnic.net In-Reply-To: <199803020914.KAA10960@kantoor.ripe.net> References: <199802271459.XAA00373@teckla.apnic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk TO: APNIC-Exco Members To follow-up on what on what Daniel and I have mentioned earlier, may I humbly ask for clarification on the following: 1) Who is currently the chair of the APNIC-Exco? [ are we to assume that Geoff continues in this capacity ] 2) Does David' currently have a formal role within APNIC's existing structure? [e.g. interim DG?] I ask this so that we can more fruitfully direct our discussions. Regards, Pindar At 10:13 AM 3/2/98 +0100, Daniel Karrenberg wrote: [ snip ] >I recommend to the APNIC *membership* to consider the person David >Conrad and what he has achieved on their behalf and offer him an >adaequate position within the APNIC structure. Whether this be one of >paid "technical director" or unpaid "special advisor" or some such I >cannot say. What I can say is that in my opinion you should not loose >David and that in order to keep him your explicit support needs to come >from the membership at large and be voiced clearly and individually. > > >Daniel Karrenberg At 11:09 PM 2/27/98 +0000, I wrote: >The question is, have we really tried to formally retain him in some form? >Retainer basis, month-to-month contract extension etc. etc. > >We could after all, explore what engineering work needs to be done and see >if David is interested as CTO or somesuch. He's should know what the >registry needs... he's done it for years. _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-apnic-talk Mon Mar 2 21:33:58 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id VAA13834 for apnic-talk-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:33:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA13822; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:33:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from ece.iisc.ernet.in by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id RAA27747; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:56:57 +0530 Received: by ece.iisc.ernet.in (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04131; Mon, 2 Mar 98 17:56:57+0530 From: gopi@ece.iisc.ernet.in (Gopi K Garge) Message-Id: <9803021226.AA04131@ece.iisc.ernet.in> Subject: APNIC - here on ? To: apnic-talk@apnic.net, apple@apnic.net, apng-all@apng.org Date: Mon, 2 Mar 98 17:56:56 GMT+5:30 Cc: dfk@ripe.net Phone: 91 80 334 0855 Request-Delivery-Notification: TRUE X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi, I couldn't make it to Manila and the APNIC meet, but I am quite pained to see all what has happened so far (via the mails) ! To my knowledge, all APNIC decisions have been taken keeping the membership informed so there shouldn't be any issue on that front keeping in mind that there are hardly any responses from the membership when asked for comments/opinions on various issues/documents. As for Randy's decision to leave, it is wise and has come at an appropriate time (on the APNIC growth chart). The choice of retaining Randy with the motive of using his skill set completely rests with us, the membership who need to, perhaps, endorse it. Of course, Randy will have the choice of rejecting the offer. But, in the interest of the APNIC functions it is best that Randy have a role to play in the APNIC in the next one year, (atleast) and ensure a smooth transition/relocation. In short, grab him. We probably need him more than he does us ! I'd recommend that Randy be a technical consultant (functional description) to the APNIC. Make him an offer ... that man has (some) passion (left over). Randy, thanks for being there and making APNIC happen. --Gopi Garge ERNET India _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-apnic-talk Mon Mar 2 22:50:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id WAA15338 for apnic-talk-outgoing; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 22:50:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from chaiwan.hk.super.net (chaiwan.hk.super.net [202.14.67.34]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA15331; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 22:50:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from hk.super.net (root@hk.super.net [202.14.67.4]) by chaiwan.hk.super.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29284; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:52:29 +0800 (HKT) Received: from mypc.hk.super.net (max8-43.hk.super.net [202.64.24.43]) by hk.super.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA21529; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:52:27 +0800 (HKT) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:52:27 +0800 (HKT) Message-Id: <199803021352.VAA21529@hk.super.net> X-Sender: pindar@is1.hk.super.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: gopi@ece.iisc.ernet.in (Gopi K Garge), apnic-talk@apnic.net, apple@apnic.net, apng-all@apng.org From: pindar@hk.super.net (Pindar Wong) Subject: Re: APNIC - here on ? Cc: dfk@ripe.net Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk At 05:56 PM 3/2/98 GMT+5:30, Gopi K Garge wrote: [ snip ] > In short, grab him. We probably need him more than he does us ! > I'd recommend that Randy be a technical consultant (functional > description) to the APNIC. > > Make him an offer ... that man has (some) passion (left over). > Gopi, The questions is how we could move forward with this idea -- if there is consensus that this would be desirable (which I believe it would be). It's probably up to the APNIC-Exco, acting on behalf of the APNIC membership, to make an offer of some description (tecnical consultant, CTO, advisor ... whatever). Currently, however, it's not clear whose in charge or who could drive this issue to its logical conclusion. I hope the suggestions are *not* left dangling in the wind... Exco-Members any input here? Cheers, Pindar _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-apnic-talk Tue Mar 3 12:55:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id MAA01321 for apnic-talk-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:55:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA01293; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:53:03 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (ts900-7521.singnet.com.sg [165.21.166.73]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA02724; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:54:34 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 98 11:31:11 Subject: Restructure APNIC Secretariat and retain David To: laina@singnet.com.sg, apnic-talk@apnic.net, apple@apnic.net, apng-all@apng.org, Yoshihiro Obata , Daniel Karrenberg Cc: "David R. Conrad" X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Dear Daniel, I agree with you that David has a good heart and would have tried to take care of his staff. That is a very different issue from perceptions and feelings of people, which is involved in people management. These are very complex issues and people management takes time, which David did not have much of. I don't think it was fair that APNIC membership expected David to do everyhting with just two other staff members and expect to him manage them properly, while travelling as much as he did.....it is humanly impossible. I for one did not expect that of him, especially since he has over and over again said at APNIC meetings that he was not a manager or business man..just an engineer, and a good one at that. He seems to have called for help many times before, but EC and membership continued to expect him to do it all. Therefore when I raised the issue, I was addressing it to the APNIC membership and EC, and the only reason I raised the issue was because I was asked by the affected individuals to help them. They felt the membership was insensitive to their point of view. Having been involved in the APNIC incorporation process and knowing there were weaknesses in the existing structure, I knew there was little other avenues these individuals had to bring awareness to their concerns. So the e-mail. The others who raised this issue also did not mean to implicate David but wanted to allude to the weakness of the existing structure. This is a very separate issue from David's competence, and I hope their voices do not get drowned. In any case, as I said these are two separate issues....and on the issue of David's area of competence, I completely agree with you that APNIC should look to have David's services made available to ensure continuity and smooth operations. He is after all a good engineer and a person committed to APNIC. I am sure with Pindar and your suggestions, the membership will think hard at this, and so will the EC. I also feel that the membership and EC should think hard at how to re-structure the Secretariat to avoid a future DG facing the same overload problems David had to deal with. There should be clearer divisions of labour and budgetting fo more staff. Secretariats should grow commensurate to workload and membership base. Regards, Laina RG --- On Mon, 02 Mar 1998 10:13:58 +0100 Daniel Karrenberg wrote: Dear APNIC friends, To me it is absolutely unthinkable that David would not give *very* careful consideration to the concerns of the staff. David has discussed some decisions regarding APNIC with me. To me it is obvious that his sole concern when making those decisions was the success of APNIC. I recommend to the APNIC *membership* to consider the person David Conrad and what he has achieved on their behalf and offer him an adaequate position within the APNIC structure. Whether this be one of paid "technical director" or unpaid "special advisor" or some such I cannot say. What I can say is that in my opinion you should not loose David and that in order to keep him your explicit support needs to come from the membership at large and be voiced clearly and individually. Daniel Karrenberg _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 3/3/98 Time: 11:31:11 AM This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-apnic-talk Tue Mar 3 14:50:30 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id OAA02884 for apnic-talk-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:50:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from netgate.bta.bt.com (root@netgate.bta.bt.com [193.113.175.75]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA02852; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:49:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from btapmelb01.bta.bt.com (btapmelb01.bta.bt.com [193.113.175.154]) by netgate.bta.bt.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07679; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:48:44 +1100 Message-Id: <199803030548.QAA07679@netgate.bta.bt.com> Received: by btapmelb01.bta.bt.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:57:21 +1000 From: "Williams, Liz" To: apng-all@apng.org, apnic-talk@apnic.net, apple@apnic.net, Daniel Karrenberg , laina@singnet.com.sg, Yoshihiro Obata Cc: "David R. Conrad" Subject: RE: Restructure APNIC Secretariat and retain David Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:37:49 +1000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Dear All Could we please take this discussion off line? Whilst it is useful to discuss the minutiae of internal machinations, it doesn't do much to advance the wider debate of Internet related matters and how they effect us here in Asia Pacific. Liz Williams ---------- From: laina@singnet.com.sg[SMTP:laina@singnet.com.sg] Sent: Tuesday, 3 March 1998 9:31 pm To: laina@singnet.com.sg; apnic-talk@apnic.net; apple@apnic.net; apng-all@apng.org; Yoshihiro Obata; Daniel Karrenberg Cc: David R. Conrad Subject: Restructure APNIC Secretariat and retain David Dear Daniel, I agree with you that David has a good heart and would have tried to take care of his staff. That is a very different issue from perceptions and feelings of people, which is involved in people management. These are very complex issues and people management takes time, which David did not have much of. I don't think it was fair that APNIC membership expected David to do everyhting with just two other staff members and expect to him manage them properly, while travelling as much as he did.....it is humanly impossible. I for one did not expect that of him, especially since he has over and over again said at APNIC meetings that he was not a manager or business man..just an engineer, and a good one at that. He seems to have called for help many times before, but EC and membership continued to expect him to do it all. Therefore when I raised the issue, I was addressing it to the APNIC membership and EC, and the only reason I raised the issue was because I was asked by the affected individuals to help them. They felt the membership was insensitive to their point of view. Having been involved in the APNIC incorporation process and knowing there were weaknesses in the existing structure, I knew there was little other avenues these individuals had to bring awareness to their concerns. So the e-mail. The others who raised this issue also did not mean to implicate David but wanted to allude to the weakness of the existing structure. This is a very separate issue from David's competence, and I hope their voices do not get drowned. In any case, as I said these are two separate issues....and on the issue of David's area of competence, I completely agree with you that APNIC should look to have David's services made available to ensure continuity and smooth operations. He is after all a good engineer and a person committed to APNIC. I am sure with Pindar and your suggestions, the membership will think hard at this, and so will the EC. I also feel that the membership and EC should think hard at how to re-structure the Secretariat to avoid a future DG facing the same overload problems David had to deal with. There should be clearer divisions of labour and budgetting fo more staff. Secretariats should grow commensurate to workload and membership base. Regards, Laina RG --- On Mon, 02 Mar 1998 10:13:58 +0100 Daniel Karrenberg wrote: Dear APNIC friends, To me it is absolutely unthinkable that David would not give *very* careful consideration to the concerns of the staff. David has discussed some decisions regarding APNIC with me. To me it is obvious that his sole concern when making those decisions was the success of APNIC. I recommend to the APNIC *membership* to consider the person David Conrad and what he has achieved on their behalf and offer him an adaequate position within the APNIC structure. Whether this be one of paid "technical director" or unpaid "special advisor" or some such I cannot say. What I can say is that in my opinion you should not loose David and that in order to keep him your explicit support needs to come from the membership at large and be voiced clearly and individually. Daniel Karrenberg ________________________________________________________________________ _ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +----------------------------------------------------------------------- + -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 3/3/98 Time: 11:31:11 AM This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________ ___ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net | | Submissions only allowed from the email address you are subscribed with | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-apnic-talk Tue Mar 3 17:38:56 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id RAA06273 for apnic-talk-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:38:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from home.au.ac.th (root@home.au.ac.th [202.6.101.20]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA06258; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:38:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from au1.au.ac.th (charm@au1.au.ac.th [202.6.101.1]) by home.au.ac.th (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06252; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:41:31 +0700 (TST) Received: from localhost (charm@localhost) by au1.au.ac.th (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA27532; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:43:06 +0700 (TST) X-Authentication-Warning: au1.au.ac.th: charm owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:43:05 +0700 (TST) From: "Prof.Dr. Srisakdi Charmonman" To: Daniel Karrenberg cc: laina@singnet.com.sg, apnic-talk@apnic.net, apple@apnic.net, apng-all@apng.org, Yoshihiro Obata , "David R. Conrad" , "Prof.Dr. Srisakdi Charmonman" Subject: Re: APNIC update In-Reply-To: <199803020914.KAA10960@kantoor.ripe.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi, As a member of APNIC EXCOM, I asked the meeting in Manila to go back one step to consider whether or not EXCOM should accept David's resignation but that was not considered seriously. David has done very much for APNIC and therefore, I agree with you that we should try to keep him associated with APNIC. Best regards, Srisakdi On Mon, 2 Mar 1998, Daniel Karrenberg wrote: > > Dear APNIC friends, > > I have been following APNIC's history from a distance but with great > interest and sympathy. I have attended quite some APNIC meetings and I > did not make it to Manila only due to unforeseen developments which > required my presence at the RIPE NCC. My staff and I have numerous > contacts with APNIC staff and I have witnessed -from a distance- the > developments which lead to the moving of the secretariat and to David's > decision to resign. Let me just make a couple of *personal* comments > for you all to ponder: > > To me it is absolutely unthinkable that David would not give *very* > careful consideration to the concerns of the staff. > > David has discussed some decisions regarding APNIC with me. To me it is > obvious that his sole concern when making those decisions was the > success of APNIC. > > I recommend to the APNIC *membership* to consider the person David > Conrad and what he has achieved on their behalf and offer him an > adaequate position within the APNIC structure. Whether this be one of > paid "technical director" or unpaid "special advisor" or some such I > cannot say. What I can say is that in my opinion you should not loose > David and that in order to keep him your explicit support needs to come > from the membership at large and be voiced clearly and individually. > > > Daniel Karrenberg > _________________________________________________________________________ > | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | > +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-apnic-talk Tue Mar 3 20:32:23 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id UAA09185 for apnic-talk-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:32:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from nico.telstra.net (nico.telstra.net [139.130.204.16]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA09176 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:32:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from sdup.telstra.net (gunk.telstra.net [203.10.60.2]) by nico.telstra.net (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id WAA27393; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:34:19 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980303223139.008c3ac0@nico.telstra.net> X-Sender: gih@nico.telstra.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 22:31:39 +1100 To: pindar@hk.super.net (Pindar Wong) From: Geoff Huston Subject: Re: APNIC - here on ? Cc: apnic-talk@apnic.net In-Reply-To: <199803021352.VAA21529@hk.super.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Pindar, [CC list pruned from universal to relevance.] Yep - I agree with your sentiment. David Conrad has indicated he will assist APNIC in locating a new D-G, and will act in the position of D/G until this is completed. After then I personally would be very much in favour of seeing him continue to undertake a role in APNIC, and I sincerely hope that David can see his way clear to doing this as well. Thanks, Geoff Huston Executive Committee Member At 09:52 PM 3/2/98 +0800, Pindar Wong wrote: >At 05:56 PM 3/2/98 GMT+5:30, Gopi K Garge wrote: >[ snip ] >> In short, grab him. We probably need him more than he does us ! >> I'd recommend that Randy be a technical consultant (functional >> description) to the APNIC. >> >> Make him an offer ... that man has (some) passion (left over). >> >Gopi, > >The questions is how we could move forward with this idea -- if there is >consensus that this would be desirable (which I believe it would be). > >It's probably up to the APNIC-Exco, acting on behalf of the APNIC >membership, to make an offer of some description (tecnical consultant, CTO, >advisor ... whatever). > >Currently, however, it's not clear whose in charge or who could drive this >issue to its logical conclusion. > >I hope the suggestions are *not* left dangling in the wind... > >Exco-Members any input here? > >Cheers, > >Pindar > >_________________________________________________________________________ >| To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | >+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > > _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-apnic-talk Tue Mar 3 20:49:43 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id UAA09441 for apnic-talk-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:49:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from nico.telstra.net (nico.telstra.net [139.130.204.16]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA09433; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:49:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from sdup.telstra.net (gunk.telstra.net [203.10.60.2]) by nico.telstra.net (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id WAA27939; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:50:47 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980303224851.008d84d0@nico.telstra.net> X-Sender: gih@nico.telstra.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 22:48:51 +1100 To: Pindar Wong From: Geoff Huston Subject: Re: APNIC Chair and DG Clarification Cc: apng-all@apng.org, "David R. Conrad" , Daniel Karrenberg , apnic-talk@apnic.net In-Reply-To: <199803021009.SAA13583@hk.super.net> References: <199803020914.KAA10960@kantoor.ripe.net> <199802271459.XAA00373@teckla.apnic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Pindar, Thanks for your note. Lets get these 2 questions answered here. 1) We are electronically voting on officvers right now. We hope to have an announcement of officers by the end of this week. I have indicated to the other cxommittee members that I am not available to continuine for another term in the capacity as Chair of this committee. 2) David is Acting Director-General at present. We will of course be talking with hom over a continuing role in this near future. I'd be happy to answer any other questions, but perhaps the cc list should be trimmed down just a little to the apnic-talk list as I suspect we are overstepping the mark of cross posting! Thanks, Geoff Huston Executive Committee Member At 06:06 PM 3/2/98 +0000, Pindar Wong wrote: >TO: APNIC-Exco Members > >To follow-up on what on what Daniel and I have mentioned earlier, may I >humbly ask for clarification on the following: > >1) Who is currently the chair of the APNIC-Exco? [ are we to assume that >Geoff continues in this capacity ] >2) Does David' currently have a formal role within APNIC's existing >structure? [e.g. interim DG?] > >I ask this so that we can more fruitfully direct our discussions. > >Regards, > >Pindar > >At 10:13 AM 3/2/98 +0100, Daniel Karrenberg wrote: >[ snip ] > >>I recommend to the APNIC *membership* to consider the person David >>Conrad and what he has achieved on their behalf and offer him an >>adaequate position within the APNIC structure. Whether this be one of >>paid "technical director" or unpaid "special advisor" or some such I >>cannot say. What I can say is that in my opinion you should not loose >>David and that in order to keep him your explicit support needs to come >>from the membership at large and be voiced clearly and individually. >> >> >>Daniel Karrenberg > >At 11:09 PM 2/27/98 +0000, I wrote: >>The question is, have we really tried to formally retain him in some form? >>Retainer basis, month-to-month contract extension etc. etc. >> >>We could after all, explore what engineering work needs to be done and see >>if David is interested as CTO or somesuch. He's should know what the >>registry needs... he's done it for years. > >_________________________________________________________________________ >| To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | >+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > > _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-apnic-talk Tue Mar 3 20:56:18 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id UAA09501 for apnic-talk-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:56:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from topgun.asiapac.net ([202.188.0.106]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA09494; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:56:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from tommi.tm.net.my ([202.188.0.73]) by topgun.asiapac.net (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA13090; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:57:55 +0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980303195859.0320de00@mail.asiapac.net> X-Sender: tommi@mail.asiapac.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 19:58:59 +0800 To: laina@singnet.com.sg From: tommi Subject: Re: Restructure APNIC Secretariat and retain David Cc: laina@singnet.com.sg, apnic-talk@apnic.net, apple@apnic.net, apng-all@apng.org, Yoshihiro Obata , Daniel Karrenberg , "David R. Conrad" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk >I agree with you that David has a good heart and would have tried to take >care of his staff. That is a very different issue from perceptions and >feelings of people, which is involved in people management. These are very >complex issues and people management takes time, which David did not have >much of. I don't think it was fair that APNIC membership expected David to >do everyhting with just two other staff members and expect to him manage >them properly, while travelling as much as he did.....it is humanly >impossible. > >I for one did not expect that of him, especially since he has over and >over again said at APNIC meetings that he was not a manager or business >man..just an engineer, and a good one at that. He seems to have called for >help many times before, but EC and membership continued to expect him to >do it all. Therefore when I raised the issue, I was addressing it to the >APNIC membership and EC, and the only reason I raised the issue was >because I was asked by the affected individuals to help them. They felt >the membership was insensitive to their point of view. Having been >involved in the APNIC incorporation process and knowing there were >weaknesses in the existing structure, I knew there was little other >avenues these individuals had to bring awareness to their concerns. So the >e-mail. > >The others who raised this issue also did not mean to implicate David but >wanted to allude to the weakness of the existing structure. This is a very >separate issue from David's competence, and I hope their voices do not get >drowned. > >In any case, as I said these are two separate issues....and on the issue >of David's area of competence, I completely agree with you that APNIC >should look to have David's services made available to ensure continuity >and smooth operations. He is after all a good engineer and a person >committed to APNIC. I am sure with Pindar and your suggestions, the >membership will think hard at this, and so will the EC. > >I also feel that the membership and EC should think hard at how to >re-structure the Secretariat to avoid a future DG facing the same overload >problems David had to deal with. There should be clearer divisions of >labour and budgetting fo more staff. Secretariats should grow commensurate >to workload and membership base. > >Regards, > >Laina RG > >--- On Mon, 02 Mar 1998 10:13:58 +0100 Daniel Karrenberg > wrote: > >Dear APNIC friends, > > > >To me it is absolutely unthinkable that David would not give *very* >careful consideration to the concerns of the staff. > >David has discussed some decisions regarding APNIC with me. To me it is >obvious that his sole concern when making those decisions was the >success of APNIC. > >I recommend to the APNIC *membership* to consider the person David >Conrad and what he has achieved on their behalf and offer him an >adaequate position within the APNIC structure. Whether this be one of >paid "technical director" or unpaid "special advisor" or some such I >cannot say. What I can say is that in my opinion you should not loose >David and that in order to keep him your explicit support needs to come >from the membership at large and be voiced clearly and individually. It wasn't that David (& APNIC) did not want to recruit more staff, he couldn't get them in Tokyo. That was one of the key reason for the move from Japan. The old EC gave David the mandate to recruit but perhaps it is the culture of people (in Japan) preferring to work for large established companies. For those who are speculating (there are plenty), pls check with facts. David has really really tried and it is not fair to implicate him. For those who really knows him knows of his committment to APNIC in all ways. tommi _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-apnic-talk Tue Mar 3 21:01:07 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id VAA09563 for apnic-talk-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:01:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from chaiwan.hk.super.net (chaiwan.hk.super.net [202.14.67.34]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id VAA09557 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:01:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from hk.super.net (root@hk.super.net [202.14.67.4]) by chaiwan.hk.super.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA24478; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:04:00 +0800 (HKT) Received: from mypc.hk.super.net (max8-18.hk.super.net [202.64.24.18]) by hk.super.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA02593; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:03:57 +0800 (HKT) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:03:57 +0800 (HKT) Message-Id: <199803031203.UAA02593@hk.super.net> X-Sender: pindar@is1.hk.super.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Geoff Huston From: pindar@hk.super.net (Pindar Wong) Subject: Re: APNIC Chair and DG Clarification Cc: Daniel Karrenberg , apnic-talk@apnic.net Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Geoff, Thanks very much for your prompt reply and for taking the time to clarify matters. In light of this information, I presume that early next week the new chair will arrange to put forward proposals to the membership as far as retaining David in some capacity (assuming of course they the new chair *also* talks to David ;) ). I'm sorry to hear that you are not available to continue as the Chair; but would just like to express my appreciation for the time you have served ... and continue to serve on the APNIC Exco. Looking forward to some fruitful discussion on apnic-talk@apnic.net Cheers, p. [ PS: cc'list pruned ] At 10:48 PM 3/3/98 +1100, Geoff Huston wrote: >Pindar, > >Thanks for your note. > >Lets get these 2 questions answered here. > >1) We are electronically voting on officvers right now. We hope to >have an announcement of officers by the end of this week. I have indicated >to the other cxommittee members that I am not available to continuine >for another term in the capacity as Chair of this committee. > >2) David is Acting Director-General at present. We will of course >be talking with hom over a continuing role in this near future. > >I'd be happy to answer any other questions, but perhaps the cc list >should be trimmed down just a little to the apnic-talk list as I suspect >we are overstepping the mark of cross posting! > >Thanks, > > Geoff Huston > Executive Committee Member > >At 06:06 PM 3/2/98 +0000, Pindar Wong wrote: >>TO: APNIC-Exco Members >> >>To follow-up on what on what Daniel and I have mentioned earlier, may I >>humbly ask for clarification on the following: >> >>1) Who is currently the chair of the APNIC-Exco? [ are we to assume that >>Geoff continues in this capacity ] >>2) Does David' currently have a formal role within APNIC's existing >>structure? [e.g. interim DG?] >> >>I ask this so that we can more fruitfully direct our discussions. >> >>Regards, >> >>Pindar >> >>At 10:13 AM 3/2/98 +0100, Daniel Karrenberg wrote: >>[ snip ] >> >>>I recommend to the APNIC *membership* to consider the person David >>>Conrad and what he has achieved on their behalf and offer him an >>>adaequate position within the APNIC structure. Whether this be one of >>>paid "technical director" or unpaid "special advisor" or some such I >>>cannot say. What I can say is that in my opinion you should not loose >>>David and that in order to keep him your explicit support needs to come >>>from the membership at large and be voiced clearly and individually. >>> >>> >>>Daniel Karrenberg >> >>At 11:09 PM 2/27/98 +0000, I wrote: >>>The question is, have we really tried to formally retain him in some form? >>>Retainer basis, month-to-month contract extension etc. etc. >>> >>>We could after all, explore what engineering work needs to be done and see >>>if David is interested as CTO or somesuch. He's should know what the >>>registry needs... he's done it for years. >> >>_________________________________________________________________________ >>| To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | >>+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >> >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-apnic-talk Tue Mar 3 21:36:58 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id VAA10199 for apnic-talk-outgoing; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:36:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from nico.telstra.net (nico.telstra.net [139.130.204.16]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id VAA10193 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:36:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from sdup.telstra.net (gunk.telstra.net [203.10.60.2]) by nico.telstra.net (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id XAA29649; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:38:11 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980303233613.008deb30@nico.telstra.net> X-Sender: gih@nico.telstra.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 23:36:13 +1100 To: pindar@hk.super.net (Pindar Wong) From: Geoff Huston Subject: Re: APNIC Chair and DG Clarification Cc: Geoff Huston , Daniel Karrenberg , apnic-talk@apnic.net In-Reply-To: <199803031203.UAA02593@hk.super.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Pindar, Yes I do hope that the new Chair will be able to clarify this in a suitably rapid timeframe. And many thanks for your expression of appreciation here. kind regards, Geoff At 08:03 PM 3/3/98 +0800, Pindar Wong wrote: >Geoff, > >Thanks very much for your prompt reply and for taking the time to clarify >matters. > >In light of this information, I presume that early next week the new chair >will arrange to put forward proposals to the membership as far as retaining >David in some capacity (assuming of course they the new chair *also* talks >to David ;) ). > >I'm sorry to hear that you are not available to continue as the Chair; but >would just like to express my appreciation for the time you have served ... >and continue to serve on the APNIC Exco. > >Looking forward to some fruitful discussion on apnic-talk@apnic.net > >Cheers, > >p. > >[ PS: cc'list pruned ] > >At 10:48 PM 3/3/98 +1100, Geoff Huston wrote: >>Pindar, >> >>Thanks for your note. >> >>Lets get these 2 questions answered here. >> >>1) We are electronically voting on officvers right now. We hope to >>have an announcement of officers by the end of this week. I have indicated >>to the other cxommittee members that I am not available to continuine >>for another term in the capacity as Chair of this committee. >> >>2) David is Acting Director-General at present. We will of course >>be talking with hom over a continuing role in this near future. >> >>I'd be happy to answer any other questions, but perhaps the cc list >>should be trimmed down just a little to the apnic-talk list as I suspect >>we are overstepping the mark of cross posting! >> >>Thanks, >> >> Geoff Huston >> Executive Committee Member >> >>At 06:06 PM 3/2/98 +0000, Pindar Wong wrote: >>>TO: APNIC-Exco Members >>> >>>To follow-up on what on what Daniel and I have mentioned earlier, may I >>>humbly ask for clarification on the following: >>> >>>1) Who is currently the chair of the APNIC-Exco? [ are we to assume that >>>Geoff continues in this capacity ] >>>2) Does David' currently have a formal role within APNIC's existing >>>structure? [e.g. interim DG?] >>> >>>I ask this so that we can more fruitfully direct our discussions. >>> >>>Regards, >>> >>>Pindar >>> >>>At 10:13 AM 3/2/98 +0100, Daniel Karrenberg wrote: >>>[ snip ] >>> >>>>I recommend to the APNIC *membership* to consider the person David >>>>Conrad and what he has achieved on their behalf and offer him an >>>>adaequate position within the APNIC structure. Whether this be one of >>>>paid "technical director" or unpaid "special advisor" or some such I >>>>cannot say. What I can say is that in my opinion you should not loose >>>>David and that in order to keep him your explicit support needs to come >>>>from the membership at large and be voiced clearly and individually. >>>> >>>> >>>>Daniel Karrenberg >>> >>>At 11:09 PM 2/27/98 +0000, I wrote: >>>>The question is, have we really tried to formally retain him in some form? >>>>Retainer basis, month-to-month contract extension etc. etc. >>>> >>>>We could after all, explore what engineering work needs to be done and see >>>>if David is interested as CTO or somesuch. He's should know what the >>>>registry needs... he's done it for years. >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________________ >>>| To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | >>>+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > -- Mailto: gih@telstra.net http://www.telstra.net/gih See you at INET'98, Geneva 21-24,July 98 http://www.isoc.org/inet98/ _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-apnic-talk Wed Mar 4 04:51:06 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id EAA18947 for apnic-talk-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 04:51:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id EAA18931; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 04:50:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from pc.unir.net (dial5.p0.unety.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA04539; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:43:03 -0600 Received: by pc.unir.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BD46A1.7F05AFC0@pc.unir.net>; Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:40:07 -0600 Message-ID: <01BD46A1.7F05AFC0@pc.unir.net> From: Jim Fleming To: "'John Curran'" Cc: "'Tony Rutkowski'" , "'Antitrust List'" , "'apnic-talk@apnic.net'" , MILIS APPLE , "'braden@ISI.EDU'" , "'Brian E Carpenter'" Cc: "'Gordon Cook'" , "'Daniel Karrenberg'" , "'Don Mitchell'" , "'Dave Farber'" , "'Ira_C._Magaziner@oa.eop.gov'" , "'Jim Dixon'" Cc: "'Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim'" Subject: RE: IPv8 and Regional Registries Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:40:05 -0600 Encoding: 64 TEXT Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk On Saturday, February 28, 1998 11:08 AM, John Curran[SMTP:jcurran@bbnplanet.com] wrote: @Jim, @ @First, thanks for not attaching another list of the IPv8 @identifier space (I have several at this point). @ @One comment regarding your reference: @ @>For those people that still think that Regional Registries have nothing @>to do with Domain Names. I suggest that you read the following @>RIPE CENTR Proposal. @ @I actually view the CENTR proposal as confirmation of the @distinction between IP allocation and DNS allocation issues. @The folks at RIPE (who have dealt with both for years) opted @to create a distinct organization to deal with DNS issues @rather than overload the RIPE NCC. This is recognition that @there are different interested parties, even if we all share @a common root authority. @ Upon further research, it appears that the RIPE CENTR proposal comes at a time when "IP-funded Regional Registries" are doing some soul-searching. They have to question how long they will last trying to "sell" (rent/lease/delegate/allocate take your pick) numeric integers to people for high prices under their monopoly arrangement. They have to adjust their plans because the U.S. Government's Green Paper process will reopen the issues of why these private companies (RIPE, APNIC, ARIN) have been granted a monopoly and have fixed prices by coordinating with each other. As an example, ARIN people openly have admitted that their pricing was based on RIPE and APNIC, not their costs or customer willingness to pay. In the case of RIPE and APNIC, they have to take into account the fact that ARIN is being positioned to control the lucrative .ARPA TLD. Even though people were mislead that ARIN had nothing to do with TLDs, they quietly keep forgetting that someone has to delegate from .ARPA. NSI does not do that, ARIN does. In my opinion, a more healthy business model exists when a company in the Registry Industry starts with a TLD and then helps to manage IP addresses. This is like a bank starting with savings accounts and loans and then adding trust services. It is hard to run a business solely on a limited product and/or service. As we have seen, with the Regional IP Registries, the end result is inflated prices to pay for the high-priced staff, their networks and servers and their world travel perks. It appears that people at RIPE can see that the future of the Registry Industry will be grounded in TLDs. They have to get into that business if they want to save their IP address registry business. APNIC will likely have to do the same thing. Both RIPE and APNIC have missed out on the .ARPA TLD. Thus, they will have to cultivate some others. Therefore, it makes sense for RIPE to be getting into the middle of the TLD evolution. Whether they do it as a separate company does not matter. RIPE is RIPE. - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation IBC, Tortola, BVI _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-apnic-talk Wed Mar 4 15:14:05 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id PAA27101 for apnic-talk-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:14:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from nostromo.apnic.net (dialup-nas1-50.bris.fan.net.au [202.179.224.51]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA27080; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:12:58 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199803040612.PAA27080@teckla.apnic.net> X-Sender: davidc@apnic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 15:03:20 +0800 To: apnic-talk@apnic.net From: "David R. Conrad" Subject: APNIC Position Openings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi, We've added a couple of additional positions (for a total of 3 new positions) and expanded/clarified some of the descriptions. Please post and/or forward as appropriate. Note that APNIC is extremely overloaded at this time and we very much need additional staff in order to continue to serve the AP region Internet community. Thanks, -drc -------- About APNIC APNIC is a not for profit organisation that co-ordinates resource allocation for Internet Service Providers across the Asian-Pacific region. It is one of 3 existing organisations worldwide which perform these tasks. Please refer to our home page for more specific details and background on the APNIC itself at http://www.apnic.net. The APNIC is currently in the process of relocating it's operations from Tokyo, Japan to Brisbane, Australia. All the positions offered below will be based in Brisbane. Occasional travel may be required. We currently are expanding our small team of 4 people and are looking for an additional 3 new staff members to join us. We offer competitive salaries and a challenging working environment. The work involves dealing with all nationalities from across the Asian Pacific region and plays a very important role at the centre of the Internet in this region. Interested? Please read on for more details about the positions offered. ***** POSITION: SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR/DEVELOPER ****** APNIC's computing facilities are a heterogeneous environment consisting of a small LAN with Unix (SunOS 4.1.*, FreeBSD, BSDI BSD/OS 3.*), Microsoft Windows NT, and Microsoft Windows 95 systems interconnected with 100baseT ethernet. APNIC requires very high availability for all its systems in an environment that is subject to significant load and security related stresses. About the System Administrator/Developer Role The system administrator is primarily responsible for providing the basic underlying infrastructure for APNIC's operation. Duties will include advanced systems planning, deploying, and administering APNIC's computer and network systems, troubleshooting and remedying technical problems with those systems, automating repetitive tasks within the oranization, implementing security for the APNIC network, workstations and servers, and resolving day to day problems with network, workstation, and server systems. In addition, the system administrator will be required to install network routers and configure network software, write scripts and/or programs to facilitate system and network administration, modify existing APNIC web pages to meet organizational requirements and manage junior system administration and software development staff. As a vital part of the system administrator/developer role, the successful applicant will be required to take part in software development efforts, including PERL, C, and SQL programming. Note that the system administrator/developer may be required to work non-standard hours and/or be on call 24x7 to resolve critical availability issues. In addition, some travel, particularly to Tokyo, Japan may be required. Essential Qualifications - flexible, solution oriented attitude - unix (Sun SunOS 4.1.*) - TCP/IP Networking including HTML/HTTP (Apache), DNS (BIND), Sendmail - firewall technologies - windows 95/NT installation, operation and troubleshooting - Perl, C, shell scripting languages - fluent written and spoken English - Asian language skills Desirable Qualifications - college degree (BSCS, BSEE, or related) and 3+ years of experience - BSD-based Unix (FreeBSD 2.*, BSDI BSD/OS 3.*) - internal and external routing (OSPF, RIP-2, BGP-4) - encryption/authentication technologies (SSL, PGP, X.509) SQL, C++, Java - technical Internet experience ***** POSITION: HOSTMASTER ***** About the Hostmaster role Every host directly connected to the Internet needs an address. APNIC hostmasters play a key role in the distribution of the Internet address space throughout the this region. Much of the communication with customers is via the Internet itself and is email based. Hostmaster Duties The general duties of APNIC hostmasters include: - handling address space and related requests - maintain the databases the APNIC keeps - development of customer relationships to maintain a high standard - proposing new software tools, where needed - report to the senior hostmaster The specific duties of the APNIC hostmaster are to: - allocate and assign address space to members and non-members as appropriate - answer address space related queries in a timely manner - handle requests for other internet resources as appropriate - support members where needed - review assignments made by members - refer non-routine requests to appropriate senior staff Depending on their qualifications and available time junior hostmasters may also participate in APNIC activities other than the ones above. Essential Qualifications The following specific qualifications are essential: - willingness to learn quickly about the Internet environment - good knowledge of English both written and spoken - ability to perform administrative tasks reliably - ability to learn and use Unix, X-windows based computer tools and Microsoft Windows - Asian language skills Desirable Qualifications The following qualifications are desirable but not essential. Please do not hesitate to apply if you do not meet these! Please document them in your application if you do. - work experience in an international environment - previous exposure to the Internet - basic experience with Unix, X-windows based computer tools and Microsoft Windows. - exposure to TCP/IP - familiar with WAN and LAN networking technologies The position is suitable both for those with administrative skills willing to learn about the Internet and internetworking and those with Internet and internetworking experience willing to do administrative work which has a technical content. ***** POSITION: BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION ASSISTANT ***** About the Business Administration Assistant role The major role of the Business Administration Assistant is to keep and update APNIC business, accounting, and membership related records. Tasks also include providing pre-membership information to organisations that are interested in APNIC membership and billing the members. In addition, >the assistant will perform duties such as answering the phone, replenishing office supplies, and other office related tasks. The administration assistant's responsibilities include - update the cash journal - maintain petty cash - prepare disbursements - cheques/telegraphic transfers - provide pre-membership information - update membership billing and business related records - maintain the original signed APNIC agreement - send invoices and receipts - answer phones - maintain and purchase office supplies/equipment - others duties as necessary to assist the Business Manager Essential Qualifications The following specific qualifications are essential - knowledge of basic accounting rules - ability to perform tasks with Microsoft Office that include Excel, Word, and PowerPoint in Windows95 environment - proven organisational skills - ability to perform administrative tasks reliably - Asian language skills - fluent written and spoken English Desirable Qualifications The following qualifications are desirable but not essential - work experience in an international environment - work experience ina multi-cultural environment - previous exposure to the Internet - willingness to learn quickly - work well in a group environment The position is suitable for those with proven organisational skills who are able to pay attention to detail. Dates for all the above positions: Application deadline: March 23rd 1998 Interview period: Wednesday March 25th -Friday March 27th Start date: As soon as possible. How to apply If you are interested to find out more about these positions, please send email to or fax your application to +81-3-5500-0481. We would appreciate it if you send email, that it is a plain ASCII document or a postscript document. If you have questions, please do not hesitate to call +81-3-5500-0480 or send email. _________________________________________________________________________ | To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-apnic-talk Wed Mar 25 14:20:38 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id OAA11859 for apnic-talk-out; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:20:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from nostromo.apnic.net (nostromo.apnic.net [202.12.28.233]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA11854 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:20:34 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199803250520.OAA11854@teckla.apnic.net> X-Sender: davidc@apnic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:08:54 +0800 To: apnic-talk@apnic.net From: "David R. Conrad" Subject: [apnic-talk] testing... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk ignore(x) * APNIC-TALK: General APNIC Discussion List * * To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net * From owner-apnic-talk Wed Mar 25 14:34:46 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id OAA12202 for apnic-talk-out; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:34:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from nostromo.apnic.net (nostromo.apnic.net [202.12.28.233]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA12197 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:34:41 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199803250534.OAA12197@teckla.apnic.net> X-Sender: davidc@apnic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:22:07 +0800 To: apnic-talk@apnic.net From: "David R. Conrad" Subject: [apnic-talk] testing... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk (sorry, please ignore) * APNIC-TALK: General APNIC Discussion List * * To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net * From owner-apnic-talk Wed Mar 25 14:37:38 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id OAA12256 for apnic-talk-out; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:37:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from nostromo.apnic.net (nostromo.apnic.net [202.12.28.233]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA12247 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:37:31 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199803250537.OAA12247@teckla.apnic.net> X-Sender: davidc@apnic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:26:06 +0800 To: apnic-talk@apnic.net From: "David R. Conrad" Subject: [apnic-talk] Hardware problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi, Due to some hardware problems, the APNIC-TALK mailing list was disabled. We have restored the mailing list (albeit with a bit tigher spam control -- only list members can post to the list). If you have any problems with apnic-talk, please let me know. Regards, -drc * APNIC-TALK: General APNIC Discussion List * * To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net * From owner-apnic-talk Thu Mar 26 17:33:37 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id RAA29537 for apnic-talk-out; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:33:37 +0900 (JST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id RAA29332 for apnic-announce-out; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:26:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from nostromo.apnic.net (nostromo.apnic.net [202.12.28.233]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA29323 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:26:20 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199803260826.RAA29323@teckla.apnic.net> X-Sender: davidc@apnic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:14:09 +0800 To: apnic-announce@apnic.net From: "David R. Conrad" Subject: [apnic-talk] [apnic-announce] APNIC Director General Position Available Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_890874849==_" Reply-To: apnic-talk@apnic.net Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk [Note "reply-to:" field] --=====================_890874849==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, Below is the job description of the APNIC Director General position. All serious candidates are encouraged to apply. Regards, -drc --=====================_890874849==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Job Description: Director General Asia Pacific Network Information Center, Pty. Ltd. Preamble: APNIC is a not for profit organisation that co-ordinates resource allocation for Internet Service Providers across the Asian-Pacific region. It is one of 3 existing organisations worldwide which perform these tasks. A complete profile of APNIC can be found in the annual report for 1997, see http://www.apnic.net/annual_reports/1997 The clients of APNIC are, in general, ISPs which operate within the Asia and Pacific Rim region. APNIC is currently in the process of relocating it's operations from Tokyo, Japan to Brisbane, Australia. The Director General position will be based in Brisbane. Occasional travel will be required. This job description sets out - a description of APNIC - the nature of the work and - the skills and requirements for a position that the APNIC Executive Council seeks to fill for the position of Director General Terms: An initial contract of three years, with the possiblity of further extension if mutually agreed. Renumeration to be negotiated, but set at rate to attract a high- calibre individual.  Reasonable relocation costs to the APNIC Secretariat headquarters in Brisbane, Australia will be borne by APNIC. Tasks: a. To act as the Chief Executive Officer of APNIC Pty Ltd, having the authority common to that position as well as other powers delegated by the Executive Council or the APNIC Membership; b. To act as the legal representative of APNIC and the corporation; c. To act as an ex-officio member of the Executive Council; d. To have responsibility for the general management, control of functions and affairs of APNIC subject to the provisions of the by-laws of APNIC and the direction of the Executive Council; e. To execute all contracts, agreements and other instruments of the corporation which are authorized including affixing the Seal of the corporation; f. To manage the business administration of the APNIC on behalf of the Treasurer; g. To be responsible to the Executive Council for the administrative and fiscal aspects of APNIC's activities; h. To take all the actions required to ensure the economic use of APNIC's resources; i. To have responsibility for the appointment and general management of all staff; j. To report to the Executive Council on a regular basis and put forward proposals for resolution for the consideration of the Executive Council; k. To devise and execute strategic policy in conjunction with and by the approval of the Exective Council; l. To plan and coordinate all APNIC activities in conjunction with and by the approval of the Executive Council; m. To represent APNIC and APNIC members with respect to all relevant Internet bodies n. To liaise with peer Regional Registries (currently RIPE and ARIN) and the IANA over stategy, policy and the operation of Regional Registries. Essential Skills: * Excellent leadership, communication, presentation and inter-personal skills; * Proven business administrative skills of a business with income over US $1,000,000; * Proven personnel management skills for a small team of technically oriented individuals; * Good understanding of operational Internet issues, and in particular, those issues involving the Internet address allocation and assignment policies and procedures; * Experience with current Internet allocation, assignment policies and procedures; * Ability to travel, primarily in the Asia and Pacific Rim region, with occasional trips to the US and Europe; * Fluent written and spoken English; Desirable Skills: * Asian language skills; * Involvement in Asia Pacific Internet related organizations; * Experience operating an Internet service provider; * Experience obtaining resources from APNIC; * Familiarity with Internet Engineering standards organisations such as the IETF; * Familiarity with Internet Operations organizations such as IEPG, NANOG, etc.; Dates: Application deadline: April 15, 1998 Interview period: April 20 - 24, 1998 Start date: As soon as possible. How to apply: If you are interested to find out more about these positions, please send email to or fax your application to +81-3-5500-0481. Interviews will take place in Brisbane, Australia. We would appreciate it if you send email, that it is a plain ASCII document, Microsoft Word, or a postscript document. If you have questions, please do not hesitate to call +81-3-5500-0480 or send email to . --=====================_890874849==_-- * APNIC-ANNOUNCE: Announcements concerning APNIC * * To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apnic-announce-request@apnic.net * * APNIC-TALK: General APNIC Discussion List * * To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net * From owner-apnic-talk Thu Mar 26 22:30:54 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id WAA05546 for apnic-talk-out; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:30:54 +0900 (JST) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id WAA05495 for apnic-announce-out; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:28:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from nostromo.apnic.net (nostromo.apnic.net [202.12.28.233]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA05489 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:28:02 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199803261328.WAA05489@teckla.apnic.net> X-Sender: davidc@apnic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:15:07 +0800 To: apnic-announce@apnic.net From: "David R. Conrad" Subject: [apnic-talk] [apnic-announce] New Mailing List: ipv6-registry@apnic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: apnic-talk@apnic.net Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk [Note "reply-to:" field] Hi, In an effort to promote and facilitate the development of Internet Protocol version 6 registry policies, procedures, and software for the allocation of IPv6 addresses, the APNIC Executive Council has asked that a new mailing list be established devoted to that purpose. As such, the APNIC Secretariat has estabished a new mailing list: "ipv6-registry@apnic.net" which you can join by sending a message body containing the word "subscribe" (without the quotes) to ipv6-registry-request@apnic.net Instructions on how to subscribe will be returned via email. Note that the posting policy of ipv6-registry@apnic.net, like all APNIC mailing lists, is restricted to email addresses on the mailing list itself. If you have any questions, feel free to contact hostmaster@apnic.net Regards, -drc * APNIC-ANNOUNCE: Announcements concerning APNIC * * To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apnic-announce-request@apnic.net * * APNIC-TALK: General APNIC Discussion List * * To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net * From owner-apnic-talk Fri Mar 27 11:57:22 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id LAA19223 for apnic-talk-out; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:57:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from nostromo.apnic.net (nostromo.apnic.net [202.12.28.233]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA19202; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:57:02 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199803270257.LAA19202@teckla.apnic.net> X-Sender: davidc@apnic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:35:38 +0800 To: yuppie@nca.or.kr From: "David R. Conrad" Subject: [apnic-talk] Re: about confederations mailing list Cc: apnic-talk@apnic.net, executive-council Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi, >Did you already create confederation mailing list? Yes, the confederations@apnic.net mailing list has been created, but it has not yet been announced -- I was going to put all the contacts we have for confederation members onto the list and send out a note telling them how to unsub*cribe (stupid majordomo administrivia checks, grr...) prior to announcing (given the initial call for people interested in such a list generated, shall we say, less than overwhelming response), but have not had a chance to do so yet. >If you did, tell me the result, and is it closed mailing list for >confederation member? or open mailing group? Currently, the list is open. >My personal opinion is this confederation@apnic.net mailing list has to be >closed mailing list. I'm a bit hesitant to create closed lists without explicit justification as I don't like them on principle, however if the confederation members would like the list to be closed and the Executive Council agrees, then I will make the list closed. Regards, -drc * APNIC-TALK: General APNIC Discussion List * * To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net * From owner-apnic-talk Fri Mar 27 21:02:50 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id VAA29906 for apnic-talk-out; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:02:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id VAA29900 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:02:43 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (ss00103.singnet.com.sg [165.21.52.13]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA11749 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:05:42 +0800 (SGT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 20:07:16 Subject: [apnic-talk] FW: First IT Seminar a success To: apnic-talk@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk --- On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:03:20 +0800 Gabriel Accascina wrote: For Immediate Release First UN Asia-Pacific Development Information Programme (APDIP) IT Seminar a success. Kuala Lumpur, 26 March 1998. The Asia Pacific Development Information Programme (APDIP) concluded today its first Information Technology (IT) Seminar on "Internet Policies and Implementation". The seminar was conducted at Wisma UN in Kuala Lumpur from 23 to 26 March, and was tailored to the needs of a delegation from the Republic of Mongolia. The delegates, seven ministerial and one private sector representatives, are part of a working group charged with the task to advise their Government on assessment, policies and implementation of IT strategies. The Head of the delegation was Mr. Badral, Foreign Policy Advisor to the Prime Minister. In his final statement Mr. Badral declared: "We have accomplished in three days here what would have taken three months." The worldwide expansion of information systems based on Internet technologies has, over the past few years, been neither equitable nor all-encompassing, thus resulting in many developing countries being in danger of remaining "Least Informed Countries. APDIP IT Policies and Infrastructure Development Seminars assist governments in the Asia-Pacific region to overcome this problem. Delivering the key note address, Dr. K.J. John from Mimos, emphasized the need for regional co-operation: "Like a chain, we need to build regional capacity, as the strength of the region will be only as strong as its weakest link." Dr. Norsaidatul Akmal Mazelan, Senior Manager for Strategy and Research at the Multimedia Development Corporation (MDC) discussed IT for education, science and research. She presented information on the Multimedia Super Corridor, while Dr. Cecilia Ng from the United Nations University offered a se ssion on Teleworking and Development in Malaysia. Among other speakers, Mr. Barry Greene, from Cisco Systems, introduced the participants to Internet infrastructure standards and requirements. A critical part of the seminar was devoted to Internet regulations and policies through the intervention of Ms. Laina Raveendran Greene, Managing Director of GetIt Pte Ltd, an IT consulting firm based in Singapore. Ms. Raveendran also discussed problems related to Internet governance. Dr. Ang Peng Hwa, from the Nanyang Technological University of Singapore concluded the sessions by discussing content regulations and quality of service from a national perspective. Several presenters contributed to a closing brainstorming session where specific issues were discussed. The last day of the seminar was spent visiting strategic Malaysian IT organisations, including MIMOS Bhd. at Technology Park, and the Multimedia Development Corporation facilities in CyberJaya. The Seminar took place in the new APDIP training room. The facility includes computer workstations permanently wired to the Internet, and a custom-built training environment, which shows the benefit of Internet technology for development. APDIP's Programme Manager, Mr. Gabriel Accascina, said: "This is the first of a series of Seminars tailored to those government officials in developing countries that are called to design and implement IT policies. We provide information that will enable them to advise, at an early stage, on how t heir country will participate to the global dialogue through IT. We think that this contribution can be critical in order to maximise resources, decrease expenditures and obtain optimal results in a shorter time." APDIP is an initiative developed and funded by the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) and covers 42 countries in the region through 24 UNDP country offices. Based in Kuala Lumpur, the programme is implemented by the UN Office for Project Services (UNOPS). APDIP aims at assisting member co untries in the use of Information Technology to foster social and economic development. For more information contact: info@mysintra.undp.org or call APDIP at + (603) 255-9122 The curriculum is posted at http://202.187.94.60/session -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 3/27/98 Time: 8:07:16 PM This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APNIC-TALK: General APNIC Discussion List * * To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net * From owner-apnic-talk Sat Mar 28 12:56:54 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id MAA09505 for apnic-talk-out; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:56:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (zinc.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.31]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA09497; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:56:26 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (ss00117.singnet.com.sg [165.21.52.27]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA12522; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:59:13 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 98 11:49:19 Subject: [apnic-talk] Comments from Asia To: anr-talk@anr.org, apple@apnic.net, apnic-talk@apnic.net, apia-members@apia.org X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk It is very encouraging to see so many comments from Asia. This is not an exhaustive list but some that I noted from the ntia website. Mr Maruyama Naomasa from JPNIC Mr Toru Takahashi from Tokyo Internet, Chairman of APNIC Board, Director of APIA, Chairman of IAJ, etc. Mr Izumi Aizu, ANR Ms Agnes Lee, SGNIC Mr Roger Hicks, Clear Comm, APIA Board Director and Vice-Chair, Mr Chanki Park, KRNIC, Korea Mr Khoo Boon Hing, NCB Singapore Dr Chan-Mo Chung and Seck Jun Jang, KISDI, Korea Internet Society of Australia Mr Ramesh Kumar Nadarajan, MIMOS JPNIC, etc Also some frequent posters of APPLe include: Mr Tony Rutkowski Mr Milton Mueller Mr Dave Crocker Mr Jim Fleming Mr Carl Oppedahl Mr Gordon Cook etc. Do check out these comments. Important to see other viewpoints to keep dialogue open. Also important to keep a look out for the next steps that will be taken by the US government. REgards, Laina Raveendran Greene ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 3/28/98 Time: 11:49:19 AM This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APNIC-TALK: General APNIC Discussion List * * To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net *