From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Thu Jan 4 03:26:59 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA101058; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 03:26:59 +1000 (EST) Received: from web1301.mail.yahoo.com (web1301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.151]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA101054 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 03:26:57 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 4036 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2001 17:26:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20010103172655.4035.qmail@web1301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.83.183.204] by web1301.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 04:26:55 EST Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 04:26:55 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: Yahoo! to stop auctions of Nazi memorabilia To: APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi all A story from The Guardian which can easily be interpreted as Yahoo's reaction to the recent French court case and goings on in Germany. Cheers David Yahoo! to stop auctions of Nazi memorabilia Special report: Net news Staff and agencies Wednesday January 3, 2001 Yahoo! is to stop carrying online auctions of Nazi artifacts and other hate-related materials. The new restrictions, which take effect a week from Wednesday, follow November's court ruling from France requiring Yahoo! to block such items from French users. Although Yahoo! has insisted it cannot limit access to certain geographic regions, as the French court ordered, Yahoo! may effectively comply by blocking the items from everyone. See http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/internetnews/story/0,7369,417384,00.html for the rest of the story. ===== David Goldstein Schallmooser Haupstr. 40/3 A-5020 Salzburg Austria email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au phone: +43 699 1097 6197 (mobile) _____________________________________________________________________________ http://au.classifieds.yahoo.com/au/car/ - Yahoo! Cars - Buy, sell or finance a car.. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Tue Jan 16 18:04:05 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA92375; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:04:04 +1000 (EST) Received: from web1305.mail.yahoo.com (web1305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.155]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA92370 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:04:02 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 22078 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jan 2001 08:03:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20010116080358.22077.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.159.30.10] by web1305.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:03:58 EST Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:03:58 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: Some Nazi items still appear after Yahoo ban To: APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Some Nazi items still appear after Yahoo ban By The Associated Press Special to CNET News.com January 11, 2001, 4:00 p.m. PT NEW YORK--Internet powerhouse Yahoo has removed thousands of hate items from its online auctions, but it will continue to permit sales of Nazi coins and stamps issued by Germany. Brian Fitzgerald, Yahoo's senior auction producer, said computer software and Yahoo staff caught most of the items prohibited under a new ban. The procedures, he said, will be tweaked in the coming weeks and months. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-4450762.html ===== David Goldstein PO Box 380, Caulfield East, 3145 email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au phone: +61 3 9885 0601 (h) +61 418 228 605 (mobile) _____________________________________________________________________________ http://au.classifieds.yahoo.com/au/car/ - Yahoo! Cars - Buy, sell or finance a car.. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Wed Jan 17 17:51:03 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA84724; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:51:02 +1000 (EST) Received: from web1305.mail.yahoo.com (web1305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.155]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA84718 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 17:50:59 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 1671 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2001 07:50:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20010117075051.1670.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.159.30.10] by web1305.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:50:51 EST Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:50:51 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: Nader Wants Internet Control (Wired) To: APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Nader Wants Internet Control by Declan McCullagh and Nicholas Morehead 8:25 a.m. Jan. 10, 2001 PST WASHINGTON -- To most people, the Internet is a way to communicate, an untapped business opportunity, or a symbol of dot-com greed run amok. Not so Ralph Nader. The former Green Party presidential candidate sees an opportunity for a new global bureaucracy. On Tuesday, Nader called for the creation of a "World Consumer Protection Organization," comparable to the United Nations' World Intellectual Property Organization, only "more democratically run." See http://www.wirednews.com/news/politics/0,1283,41106,00.html for the full article. ===== David Goldstein 2/3 Belmont Ave, Glen Iris, 3146 email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au phone: +61 3 9885 0601 (h) +61 418 228 605 (mobile) _____________________________________________________________________________ http://au.classifieds.yahoo.com/au/car/ - Yahoo! Cars - Buy, sell or finance a car.. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Wed Jan 17 22:20:35 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA122099; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:20:35 +1000 (EST) Received: from mail3.ntu.edu.sg ([155.69.1.91]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA122095 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:20:32 +1000 (EST) Received: by mail3.ntu.edu.sg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:20:11 +0800 Message-ID: <1DD1B50DBE02D311909900805FA7424B02AD7151@exchange5.ntu.edu.sg> From: "Ang Peng Hwa (Assoc Prof)" To: "'APPLe '" Subject: RE: Nader Wants Internet Control (Wired) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:20:01 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk My 2 cents: Nader is of course off the mark to even suggest the idea of something that altho' potentially useful, looks like a world-class bureaucracy, democratic or otherwise. On the other hand, McCullagh and Morehead are equally off the mark if, as the tone suggests, it should be hands off. In the USA, the FTC regulates consumer fraud. And in Asia? Many moons ago now, I wrote of some of these differences in an article that ran in the AWSJ in April 1999. A scanned copy is available at: http://www.medialaw.com.sg/awsj.jpg My point is that e-commerce has taken off in the USA because of the confidence consumers can have in their consumer law. And who should be thanked for that if not Nader? Regards, Ang Peng Hwa -----Original Message----- From: David Goldstein To: APPLe Sent: 1/17/01 3:50 PM Subject: Nader Wants Internet Control (Wired) Nader Wants Internet Control by Declan McCullagh and Nicholas Morehead 8:25 a.m. Jan. 10, 2001 PST WASHINGTON -- To most people, the Internet is a way to communicate, an untapped business opportunity, or a symbol of dot-com greed run amok. Not so Ralph Nader. The former Green Party presidential candidate sees an opportunity for a new global bureaucracy. On Tuesday, Nader called for the creation of a "World Consumer Protection Organization," comparable to the United Nations' World Intellectual Property Organization, only "more democratically run." See http://www.wirednews.com/news/politics/0,1283,41106,00.html for the full article. ===== David Goldstein 2/3 Belmont Ave, Glen Iris, 3146 email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au phone: +61 3 9885 0601 (h) +61 418 228 605 (mobile) ________________________________________________________________________ _____ http://au.classifieds.yahoo.com/au/car/ - Yahoo! Cars - Buy, sell or finance a car.. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Wed Jan 17 22:52:04 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA125876; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:52:04 +1000 (EST) Received: from orange.glocom.ac.jp (gate.glocom.ac.jp [210.160.32.100]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA125872 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:52:00 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 14048 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2001 12:51:46 -0000 Received: from c196.glocom.ac.jp (HELO ?192.168.1.196?) (192.168.1.196) by orange.glocom.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Jan 2001 12:51:46 -0000 X-Sender: ajp@pop.glocom.ac.jp Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1DD1B50DBE02D311909900805FA7424B02AD7151@exchange5.ntu.edu.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:53:14 +0900 To: "Ang Peng Hwa (Assoc Prof)" From: Adam Peake Subject: RE: Nader Wants Internet Control (Wired) Cc: apple@apnic.net Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Before trusting too much to Wired, it may be worth also looking at Jamie Love's paper on the same subject Adam >My 2 cents: > >Nader is of course off the mark to even suggest the idea of something that >altho' potentially useful, looks like a world-class bureaucracy, democratic >or otherwise. > >On the other hand, McCullagh and Morehead are equally off the mark if, as >the tone suggests, it should be hands off. In the USA, the FTC regulates >consumer fraud. And in Asia? > >Many moons ago now, I wrote of some of these differences in an article that >ran in the AWSJ in April 1999. A scanned copy is available at: >http://www.medialaw.com.sg/awsj.jpg > >My point is that e-commerce has taken off in the USA because of the >confidence consumers can have in their consumer law. And who should be >thanked for that if not Nader? > >Regards, Ang Peng Hwa > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Goldstein >To: APPLe >Sent: 1/17/01 3:50 PM >Subject: Nader Wants Internet Control (Wired) > >Nader Wants Internet Control >by Declan McCullagh and Nicholas Morehead > >8:25 a.m. Jan. 10, 2001 PST >WASHINGTON -- To most people, the Internet is a way to communicate, >an untapped business opportunity, or a symbol of dot-com greed run >amok. >Not so Ralph Nader. The former Green Party presidential candidate >sees an opportunity for a new global bureaucracy. > >On Tuesday, Nader called for the creation of a "World Consumer >Protection Organization," comparable to the United Nations' World >Intellectual Property Organization, only "more democratically run." > > See http://www.wirednews.com/news/politics/0,1283,41106,00.html for >the full article. > >===== >David Goldstein > >2/3 Belmont Ave, Glen Iris, 3146 >email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au >phone: +61 3 9885 0601 (h) > +61 418 228 605 (mobile) > >________________________________________________________________________ >_____ >http://au.classifieds.yahoo.com/au/car/ - Yahoo! Cars >- Buy, sell or finance a car.. >* APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * >* APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Thu Jan 18 09:03:03 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA72440; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:03:03 +1000 (EST) Received: from web1305.mail.yahoo.com (web1305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.155]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA72421 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:03:00 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 21934 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2001 23:02:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20010117230256.21933.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.159.30.10] by web1305.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:02:56 EST Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:02:56 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: Crime Busters in Singapore Focus on the Internet To: APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi all A story I came across this morning from Excite. Cheers David Crime Busters in Singapore Focus on the Internet Updated 7:21 AM ET January 17, 2001 SINGAPORE (Reuters) - White-collar crime busters gathered in Singapore turned their attention Wednesday to the rising problem of Internet crime. Some 500 delegates at the first global International Economic Crime Conference heard how the Internet was a fraudster's "holy grail" offering anonymity and instant worldwide access. See http://news.excite.com/news/r/010117/07/net-crime-fraud-dc for the full article. ===== David Goldstein 2/3 Belmont Ave, Glen Iris, 3146 email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au phone: +61 3 9885 0601 (h) +61 418 228 605 (mobile) _____________________________________________________________________________ http://au.classifieds.yahoo.com/au/car/ - Yahoo! Cars - Buy, sell or finance a car.. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Thu Jan 18 16:24:25 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA66312; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:24:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from web1305.mail.yahoo.com (web1305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.155]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA66306 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:24:22 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 8908 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2001 06:24:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20010118062420.8907.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.159.30.10] by web1305.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:24:20 EST Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:24:20 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: Local censors target porn (The Australian) To: APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi all A story from today's The Australian newspaper on the content regulation scheme in Oz. There is also a much larger story in The Australian, syndicated from the current edition of The Economist, on content regulation and how government's are becoming more involved in regulating the Net for those who have access to either. Cheers David Local censors target porn Michelle Gilchrist 18 January 2001 Criticism has been levelled at the Australian Government on internet content - for doing too much to control it, not too little. The trigger for Australia's laws was not so-called "hate" websites but extreme pornography, especially child pornography. Racist and inflammatory sites still rest in a regulatory limbo that may be clarified by the Federal Court later this year. Australia was one of the first, and most aggressive, governments to police the internet and has attracted harsh criticism for meddling in a supposedly censorship-free zone. Its attempts to control the net have been blamed for virtually all the ills of the Australian information technology industry, as well as the sinking Australian dollar last year, weighed down by the "old economy" tag. Opponents claim controls on the internet represent a Luddite Government that does not understand technology. See http://australianit.news.com.au/common/storyPage/0,3811,1612986%255E442,00.html for the full story. ===== David Goldstein 2/3 Belmont Ave, Glen Iris, 3146 email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au phone: +61 3 9885 0601 (h) +61 418 228 605 (mobile) _____________________________________________________________________________ http://au.classifieds.yahoo.com/au/car/ - Yahoo! Cars - Buy, sell or finance a car.. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Thu Jan 18 16:24:52 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA66412; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:24:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from web1305.mail.yahoo.com (web1305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.155]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA66407 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 16:24:49 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 9022 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2001 06:24:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20010118062448.9021.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.159.30.10] by web1305.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:24:48 EST Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 17:24:48 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: Local censors target porn (The Australian) To: APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi all A story from today's The Australian newspaper on the content regulation scheme in Oz. There is also a much larger story in The Australian, syndicated from the current edition of The Economist, on content regulation and how government's are becoming more involved in regulating the Net for those who have access to either, that is not on The Australian's web site, but is on The Economist's web site. Cheers David Local censors target porn Michelle Gilchrist 18 January 2001 Criticism has been levelled at the Australian Government on internet content - for doing too much to control it, not too little. The trigger for Australia's laws was not so-called "hate" websites but extreme pornography, especially child pornography. Racist and inflammatory sites still rest in a regulatory limbo that may be clarified by the Federal Court later this year. Australia was one of the first, and most aggressive, governments to police the internet and has attracted harsh criticism for meddling in a supposedly censorship-free zone. Its attempts to control the net have been blamed for virtually all the ills of the Australian information technology industry, as well as the sinking Australian dollar last year, weighed down by the "old economy" tag. Opponents claim controls on the internet represent a Luddite Government that does not understand technology. See http://australianit.news.com.au/common/storyPage/0,3811,1612986%255E442,00.html for the full story. ===== David Goldstein 2/3 Belmont Ave, Glen Iris, 3146 email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au phone: +61 3 9885 0601 (h) +61 418 228 605 (mobile) _____________________________________________________________________________ http://au.classifieds.yahoo.com/au/car/ - Yahoo! Cars - Buy, sell or finance a car.. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Fri Jan 19 10:34:02 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA83318; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:34:02 +1000 (EST) Received: from web1305.mail.yahoo.com (web1305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.155]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA83299 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:33:59 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 14123 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2001 00:33:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20010119003354.14122.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.159.30.10] by web1305.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:33:54 EST Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:33:54 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: Everybody wants to rule the Web To: APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi all This article by Canadian Law professor Michael Geist is a very interesting look at the extension of laws dealing with cyberspace outside a country's own borders. Cheers David Everybody wants to rule the Web MICHAEL GEIST Thursday, January 18, 2001 Few cyberlaw cases have sparked as large an outcry as the recent Yahoo France case, in which a French judge ordered the company to block access to Nazi memorabilia offered in its auctions within France. Free speech advocates reacted with alarm, arguing that the case is a setback for free speech on the Internet that sets a dangerous precedent for countries seeking to impose restrictions on speech outside their borders. That concern was heightened two weeks ago when Yahoo shifted its strategy and suspended Nazi memorabilia auctions not only in France, but for all its users, a move clearly designed to appease the French court. The company is still pursuing legal action in a U.S. court to nullify the application of the French court's decision. Before launching into claims of free-speech chill and an unfair assertion of jurisdiction, however, critics would do well to consider how widespread the extraterritorial application of law is on the Internet. In the United States both Congress and the courts have been willing to extend U.S. law outside that country's borders. For example, the Children's On-line Privacy Protection Act, which establishes stringent privacy requirements for Web sites that target children, applies not only to U.S. sites but to any Web site anywhere in the world that is perceived to be targeting U.S. children. See http://www.globetechnology.com/archive/gam/E-Business/20010118/TWGEIS.html for the full article. ===== David Goldstein 2/3 Belmont Ave, Glen Iris, 3146 email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au phone: +61 3 9885 0601 (h) +61 418 228 605 (mobile) _____________________________________________________________________________ http://au.classifieds.yahoo.com/au/car/ - Yahoo! Cars - Buy, sell or finance a car.. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Fri Jan 19 19:52:58 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA93225; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:52:57 +1000 (EST) Received: from mail3.ntu.edu.sg ([155.69.1.91]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA93206 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 19:52:50 +1000 (EST) Received: by mail3.ntu.edu.sg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:52:21 +0800 Message-ID: <1DD1B50DBE02D311909900805FA7424B02AD7170@exchange5.ntu.edu.sg> From: "Ang Peng Hwa (Assoc Prof)" To: "'APPLe '" Subject: RE: Everybody wants to rule the Web--France and Yahoo! Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:52:16 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk David, That is an excellent piece describing the situation. As I was reading the piece, a reporter from ZDnet who had interviewed me via email about the France and Yahoo! case sent me his story. http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/dailynews/story/0,2000010021,20173425-1,00.htm I'm quoted but it's not as good as the piece you have pointed to. Peng Hwa -----Original Message----- From: David Goldstein To: APPLe Sent: 1/19/01 8:33 AM Subject: Everybody wants to rule the Web Hi all This article by Canadian Law professor Michael Geist is a very interesting look at the extension of laws dealing with cyberspace outside a country's own borders. Cheers David Everybody wants to rule the Web MICHAEL GEIST Thursday, January 18, 2001 Few cyberlaw cases have sparked as large an outcry as the recent Yahoo France case, in which a French judge ordered the company to block access to Nazi memorabilia offered in its auctions within France. Free speech advocates reacted with alarm, arguing that the case is a setback for free speech on the Internet that sets a dangerous precedent for countries seeking to impose restrictions on speech outside their borders. That concern was heightened two weeks ago when Yahoo shifted its strategy and suspended Nazi memorabilia auctions not only in France, but for all its users, a move clearly designed to appease the French court. The company is still pursuing legal action in a U.S. court to nullify the application of the French court's decision. Before launching into claims of free-speech chill and an unfair assertion of jurisdiction, however, critics would do well to consider how widespread the extraterritorial application of law is on the Internet. In the United States both Congress and the courts have been willing to extend U.S. law outside that country's borders. For example, the Children's On-line Privacy Protection Act, which establishes stringent privacy requirements for Web sites that target children, applies not only to U.S. sites but to any Web site anywhere in the world that is perceived to be targeting U.S. children. See http://www.globetechnology.com/archive/gam/E-Business/20010118/TWGEIS.ht ml for the full article. ===== David Goldstein 2/3 Belmont Ave, Glen Iris, 3146 email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au phone: +61 3 9885 0601 (h) +61 418 228 605 (mobile) ________________________________________________________________________ _____ http://au.classifieds.yahoo.com/au/car/ - Yahoo! Cars - Buy, sell or finance a car.. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Sat Jan 20 02:46:21 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA80483; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 02:46:21 +1000 (EST) Received: from info.isoc.org (info.isoc.org [198.6.250.9]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA80463 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 02:46:18 +1000 (EST) Received: from dilbert.isoc.org (IDENT:root@mailhub.isoc.org [198.6.250.20]) by info.isoc.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16066; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from newlatitude.isoc.org ([198.6.250.5]) by dilbert.isoc.org (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA10522; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:49:30 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20010119113721.02f75c00@pop.isoc.org> X-Sender: heath@pop.isoc.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:39:59 -0500 To: David Goldstein , APPLe From: Don Heath Subject: Re: Everybody wants to rule the Web In-Reply-To: <20010119003354.14122.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk At 11:33 AM 1/19/01 +1100, David Goldstein wrote: >This article by Canadian Law professor Michael Geist is a very >interesting look at the extension of laws dealing with cyberspace >outside a country's own borders. Hello David I have been collecting and reading your posts for some time and just wanted to say thank you for the effort. The items you post are always pertinent and informative. Thanks and best regards, Don Heath President and CEO Internet Society * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Sat Jan 20 03:38:03 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA87105; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 03:38:03 +1000 (EST) Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA87101 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2001 03:38:01 +1000 (EST) Received: from getit (bgreene-dsl2.cisco.com [144.254.193.59]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id JAA19875; Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:37:41 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Laina Raveendran Greene" To: "Don Heath" , "David Goldstein" , "APPLe" Subject: Thanks Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:21:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20010119113721.02f75c00@pop.isoc.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Dear all, As coordinator (Chair) of this list, I too want to add my thanks to David. I have told you this before David, but I think it should be made public. Meanwhile, I also want to note that we are getting new additions to the list on a daily basis. This is great. This list was formed in 1996 to serve as a means to exchange information on Policy and Regulatory issues (hence the name Asia Pacific Policy and Legal (APPLe) Forum). We have had some controversial discussions and some useful posts as well. There has been many who have contributed in the past, but it appears that all are caught up in other things (I am busy myself with three startup companies for example- I used to make regular postings too). We do need posts like the ones David has been very kindly forwarding to us, to keep this list useful as it has been in the past. I would strongly urge others to post useful policy and legal issues relating to telecom and the Internet,so that we all can benefit. This list comprises of people from regulatory bodies, Internet agencies, telcos, ISPS, users, etc. The posts from the various countries have also been very beneficial and I hope others will be encouraged to post as well. For those of you who are new to the list, you may wish to note that the main etiquette we have on this list, is that there is to be no personal insults. You can disagree with opinions that have been expressed, but please do not make it personal. The idea is to exchange info and ideas, and not deteriote into flaming and most other lists have done in the past. We have managed to keep away from this to date (with some exceptions, of course). Thanks again David and I hope others will take the cue from your efforts to begin sharing with others as well. Thanks Don for expressing your remarks to the list. Best Regards, Laina Raveendran Greene -----Original Message----- From: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net [mailto:owner-apple@lists.apnic.net]On Behalf Of Don Heath Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 8:40 AM To: David Goldstein; APPLe Subject: Re: Everybody wants to rule the Web At 11:33 AM 1/19/01 +1100, David Goldstein wrote: >This article by Canadian Law professor Michael Geist is a very >interesting look at the extension of laws dealing with cyberspace >outside a country's own borders. Hello David I have been collecting and reading your posts for some time and just wanted to say thank you for the effort. The items you post are always pertinent and informative. Thanks and best regards, Don Heath President and CEO Internet Society * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Mon Jan 22 09:15:10 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA105195; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:15:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from web1305.mail.yahoo.com (web1305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.155]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA104934 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:15:06 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 29461 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2001 23:15:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20010121231504.29460.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.159.30.10] by web1305.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:15:04 EST Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:15:04 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: Internet stories... relating to censorship issues To: APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi all 3 stories, from Salon on a Salon columnist on web censorship, from Newsbytes on domain names, privacy and free speech, and the third from the New York Times on filtering in schools in the USA. Click the links for the full story. Also thanks for the comments last week, they were much appreciated, and good to see people enjoy the news. Cheers David Fear of a Web planet Everyone can find some reason to worry that the Internet is "out of control," but what's the alternative? - - - - - - - - - - - - By Scott Rosenberg Jan. 11, 2001 | One of the fine things about the Internet is that columnists get to share the burden of their labors. In any other medium, if a publication presented its readers with an argument as self-evidently silly as Caleb Carr's call for government "regulation" (i.e. censorship) of the Internet -- as Salon's Books site did on Monday -- a dissenting columnist would have to trudge wearily through the original article's rhetoric, pointing out its logical potholes and factual lacunae. On the Net, within hours of the piece's publication, you, the Salon readership, had, in a flood of e-mail, picked the bones of this carcass clean. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/19/technology/19CYBERLAW.html ACLU Fires Shot Across ICANN's Bow By David McGuire, Newsbytes WASHINGTON, D.C., U.S.A., 18 Jan 2001, 5:04 PM CST Led by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), a cadre of privacy and free-speech advocates are attacking the process used to approve the first new Internet "neighborhoods" since the creation of com, .org, .net, etc., more than a decade ago. In a lengthy letter to outgoing US Commerce Secretary Norman Mineta earlier this week, the groups blasted the powerful Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) for using "unconstitutional" criteria in approving the creation of seven new generic top-level Internet domains (gTLDs). http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/160718.html Free-Speech Advocates Fight Filtering Software in Public Schools By CARL S. KAPLAN One month after Congress passed a law pressuring public schools and libraries to install blocking or filtering software on computer terminals to screen out Internet smut, three free-speech powerhouses are gearing up to slay the measure in federal court. "This law requires, for the first time in the nation's history, that local libraries censor speech for every adult and every child. That's got to present First Amendment problems," said Chris Hansen, a senior staff attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union, referring to the new federal statute, known as the "Children's Internet Protection Act." ===== David Goldstein 2/3 Belmont Ave, Glen Iris, 3146 email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au phone: +61 3 9885 0601 (h) +61 418 228 605 (mobile) _____________________________________________________________________________ http://au.classifieds.yahoo.com/au/car/ - Yahoo! Cars - Buy, sell or finance a car.. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Mon Jan 22 10:11:20 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA112730; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:11:20 +1000 (EST) Received: from tazar.spc.int (tazar.spc.int [202.0.157.6]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA112709 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:11:08 +1000 (EST) Received: by tazar.spc.int with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:11:09 +1100 Message-ID: From: Mark Perkins To: "'mgeist@uottawa.ca'" Cc: "ISTF Discussion (E-mail)" , "'apple@apnic.net'" Subject: 'Everybody wants to rule the Web' Globe and Mail article Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:11:08 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Dear Michael Geist Thanks for a very interesting article, but there are certain areas in which I strongly disagree. "The United States, however, is not alone in this regard. The European Union's Data Privacy Directive has spurred the enactment of privacy laws in Canada and around the world by including a provision that prohibits the transfer of personal data to non-EU countries that do not employ adequate privacy protections. Australia's on-line content regulation, enacted last year, includes provisions that mandate blocking obscene content that originates from foreign Web sites." These are not extraterritorial provisions. The EU Directive states that these companies are not allowed to remove data from the EU unless the countries have adequate privacy protection, ie. the law is only applicable to actions on EU soil. Similarly, the Australian legislation does not require foreign websites to stop 'transmitting' such content to Australia but requires Australian ISPs to block such notified content, again - an action on Australian soil. "Canada has also gotten into the act. Last year the Alberta Securities Commission prosecuted the local promoters behind the World Stock Exchange, a Web site based in Antigua with Cayman Islands ownership. The securities regulators argued that the effects of the site were felt to such a degree in Alberta that asserting jurisdiction was proper." Here, the prosecution was against the local promoters, not the Antiguan/Cayman Island owners. "First, foreign law matters. Once a company has assets or customers in a foreign country, it can ill-afford to ignore the local legal system." Here is the real issue - and the crux point in Yahoo ruling. If Yahoo withdrew it's assests from France, then they would be in more of a position to ignore the French courts. Your examples of extraterroriality offline should also be broadened. The US government, while extending it juristiction in drug cases overseas, it refuses to sign up for an International Human Rights Court; ie. choosing extraterritoriality when it suits it. I think the historical reality is much more political than legal. Yours Mark Perkins Librarian Secretariat of the Pacific Community Library BP D5, 98848 Noumea Cedex New Caledonia, South Pacific Tel: 00 687 262000 Fax: 00 687 263818 email: markp@spc.int web: http://www.spc.int/library/ * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Tue Jan 23 07:14:09 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA72414; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:14:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from tazar.spc.int (tazar.spc.int [202.0.157.6]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA72386 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:13:58 +1000 (EST) Received: by tazar.spc.int with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:14:03 +1100 Message-ID: From: Mark Perkins To: "'Halpert, Jim - DC'" , "'mgeist@uottawa.ca'" Cc: "ISTF Discussion (E-mail)" , "'apple@apnic.net'" Subject: RE: 'Everybody wants to rule the Web' Globe and Mail article Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:14:02 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Jim I tend to agree with your view of the jurisdictional approach of the "onward transfer" provisions of the E.C. Directive. However, Michael is (as usual) right over the big picture. In fact, the Article 29 Working Party charged with interpreting the Directive produced a report in November that proposes asserting jurisdiction over websites outside the E.C. that employ cookies. MP>>Do you have a reference for the report? What enforcement mechanisms do they forsee? As for blocking obligations under Australia's content regulation laws, you are correct that such measures are not assertions of jurisdiction over foreign websites per se. However, in practice, they are a much more aggressive assertion of government power to cut off the audience of these sites than any effort to prosecute a random site or two. MP>>I think this is an important distinction. I may not agree with the Australian governments stance, but given this is within their juristiction (just as it is within the Burmese government's to ban modems/fax machines without license). Mark Perkins Librarian Secretariat of the Pacific Community Library BP D5, 98848 Noumea Cedex New Caledonia, South Pacific Tel: 00 687 262000 Fax: 00 687 263818 email: markp@spc.int web: http://www.spc.int/library/ * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Tue Jan 23 09:52:07 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA96439; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:52:07 +1000 (EST) Received: from tazar.spc.int (tazar.spc.int [202.0.157.6]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA96399 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:51:58 +1000 (EST) Received: by tazar.spc.int with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:51:57 +1100 Message-ID: From: Mark Perkins To: "'Michael Geist'" , "ISTF Discussion (E-mail)" , "'apple@apnic.net'" Cc: jim.halpert@piperrudnick.com Subject: RE: 'Everybody wants to rule the Web' Globe and Mail article Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:51:55 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Michael Thanks for the prompt response. The lists I forwarded to were the Internet Societal Task Force discussion list and APPLE. 1. I do not agree that the end effect is the same. If a company wishes to register itself & hold assests in a country - it is subject to it's laws. If it does not wish to, but that country wishes to provide access to global resources based outside it's own borders, then it should prosecute the 'importers' not the 'exporters'. 2. The fact that the promoters and owners are one and the same, and US based, makes a great difference, making this non-extraterritorial. 3. That is Yahoo's choice, however it could do what many multinationals do and break into obscure holdings companies, etc to avoid national legislation. 4. I agree with the limits - but feel it is important to distinguish between the cases. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Michael Geist [mailto:mgeist@uottawa.ca] Sent: 23 January 2001 04:31 To: Mark Perkins Cc: jim.halpert@piperrudnick.com Subject: Re: 'Everybody wants to rule the Web' Globe and Mail article Mark, Thanks for the email -- not sure what the lists you cc'd are, so I'm responding just to you and Jim Halpert (feel free to forward if you like). To address each of your points in turn... 1. While I appreciate the distinction between laws that are directly extraterritorial and those that are indirectly extraterritorial (as are, I would suggest, both the EU and Australian laws), I think the point remains the same. Countries and courts are regularly considering the effect of the Internet on their local jurisdiction and choosing to enact laws that impact not only local organizations, but organizations worldwide. Note that I don't think that there is something per se wrong with this. The point of the article was only to note the double-talk that exists amongst those that would criticize one instance but not another. 2. As for the World Stock Exchange case, the local promoters and the Cayman Islands owners are the same people. The company was owned by Alberta residents who formed the company offshore. By piercing the corporate veil, the Alberta Securities Commission clearly extended its jurisdictional reach outside the province (and admitted as much in its decision). 3. Yahoo! would have hard time withdrawing its assets -- its ownership interest in Yahoo.fr is its primary asset. 4. I certainly agree that it would have been great to expand on the extraterritoriality issue -- unfortunately, space is limited in the Globe so I'm always forced to provide a condensed version of the issue. Regards, MG >Dear Michael Geist > >Thanks for a very interesting article, but there are certain areas in which >I strongly disagree. > >"The United States, however, is not alone in this regard. The European >Union's Data Privacy Directive has spurred the enactment of privacy laws in >Canada and around the world by including a provision that prohibits the >transfer of personal data to non-EU countries that do not employ adequate >privacy protections. Australia's on-line content regulation, enacted last >year, includes provisions that mandate blocking obscene content that >originates from foreign Web sites." >These are not extraterritorial provisions. The EU Directive states that >these companies are not allowed to remove data from the EU unless the >countries have adequate privacy protection, ie. the law is only applicable >to actions on EU soil. Similarly, the Australian legislation does not >require foreign websites to stop 'transmitting' such content to Australia >but requires Australian ISPs to block such notified content, again - an >action on Australian soil. >"Canada has also gotten into the act. Last year the Alberta Securities >Commission prosecuted the local promoters behind the World Stock Exchange, a >Web site based in Antigua with Cayman Islands ownership. The securities >regulators argued that the effects of the site were felt to such a degree in >Alberta that asserting jurisdiction was proper." >Here, the prosecution was against the local promoters, not the >Antiguan/Cayman Island owners. >"First, foreign law matters. Once a company has assets or customers in a >foreign country, it can ill-afford to ignore the local legal system." >Here is the real issue - and the crux point in Yahoo ruling. If Yahoo >withdrew it's assests from France, then they would be in more of a position >to ignore the French courts. >Your examples of extraterroriality offline should also be broadened. The US >government, while extending it juristiction in drug cases overseas, it >refuses to sign up for an International Human Rights Court; ie. choosing >extraterritoriality when it suits it. I think the historical reality is much >more political than legal. >Yours >Mark Perkins >Librarian >Secretariat of the Pacific Community Library >BP D5, 98848 Noumea Cedex >New Caledonia, South Pacific >Tel: 00 687 262000 Fax: 00 687 263818 >email: markp@spc.int >web: http://www.spc.int/library/ -- ********************************************************************** Professor Michael A. Geist University of Ottawa Law School, Common Law Section 57 Louis Pasteur St., P.O. Box 450, Stn. A, Ottawa, Ontario, K1N 6N5 Tel: 613-562-5800, x3319 Fax: 613-562-5124 e-mail: mgeist@uottawa.ca URL: http://www.lawbytes.com Looking for Internet and technology law resources? Check out: - the Canadian Internet Law Resource Page (CILRP) at: http://www.cilrp.org/ - my bi-weekly Globe & Mail Cyberlaw column at http://www.globetechnology.com - my new Internet law textbook at http://www.captus.com/Information/inetlaw-flyer.htm - Butterworths monthly newsletter Internet and E-commerce Law in Canada at http://www.butterworths.ca/sampleinternetandecommercelawincanada.htm. My daily Internet law news service is now BNA's Internet Law News. Visit http://www.bna.com/ilaw to subscribe to this free service. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Tue Jan 23 10:27:19 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA102383; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:27:19 +1000 (EST) Received: from web1305.mail.yahoo.com (web1305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.155]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA102379 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:27:17 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 20503 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2001 00:27:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20010123002714.20502.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.159.30.10] by web1305.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:27:14 EST Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:27:14 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: No Law, Some Order -- Taming The Internet To: APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi all An article on the Law.com web site on ICRA, labelling, filtering and related issues which is quite interesting. Cheers David No Law, Some Order -- Taming The Internet Yale's projects to enhance Web's usefulness Thomas Scheffey The Connecticut Law Tribune January 22, 2001 Constitutional Law professor Jack M. Balkin understands that the Internet's lack of limits is one of its greatest limitations. The director of Yale Law School's Information Society Project knows that, even in the most enlightened countries, people are deeply concerned about the chance of exposing their children to explicit sex, violence or hate groups' sites. Here, law has not been much help. One of the Web's great advantages -- that images and ideas can go anywhere on the globe, instantly and at virtually no cost -- makes old-fashioned censorship or import-export regulation almost inconceivable. Instead, under a grant from the Bertelsmann Foundation, Yale has helped create a self-rating and filtering tool that's based on voluntary disclosure of Web site content. Under a model program launched Dec. 13, 2000, Web site owners can fill out a form online (at www.icra.org) that discloses the presence and degree of sex, violence, promotion of substance abuse and even "material that might be perceived as setting a bad example for young children." See for the full article. _____________________________________________________________________________ http://cars.yahoo.com.au/ - Yahoo! Cars - Buy, sell or finance a car.. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Tue Jan 23 10:34:44 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA103510; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:34:44 +1000 (EST) Received: from web1305.mail.yahoo.com (web1305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.155]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA103505 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:34:41 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 22015 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2001 00:34:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20010123003439.22014.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.159.30.10] by web1305.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:34:39 EST Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:34:39 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: USA market research results from online multicultural panel To: APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi all Some research on how different ethnic groups are using the web in the USA. Cheers David Access Worldwide unveils market research results from online multicultural panel – Study Tracks Internet Usage and Attitudes Among Online Multicultural Markets – – Findings Reveal Opportunities, Promises and Challenges – Boca Raton, FL & Los Angeles, CA – January 15, 2001 – Access Worldwide Communications, Inc. (Nasdaq: AWWC), a leading marketing and market research company, today announced the final results of an online research study that was conducted to understand Internet access and usage among multicultural markets in the United States. Access Worldwide’s Cultural Access Group completed the research study in partnership with Survey.com and a broad range of ethnic web sites that target African American and Hispanic audiences. See http://www.accesscag.com/mltipanl.htm for the full news release. ===== David Goldstein 2/3 Belmont Ave, Glen Iris, 3146 email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au phone: +61 3 9885 0601 (h) +61 418 228 605 (mobile) _____________________________________________________________________________ http://cars.yahoo.com.au/ - Yahoo! Cars - Buy, sell or finance a car.. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Tue Jan 23 18:13:35 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA113813; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:13:35 +1000 (EST) Received: from web1305.mail.yahoo.com (web1305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.155]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA113793 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:13:32 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 23763 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2001 08:13:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20010123081330.23762.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.159.30.10] by web1305.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:13:30 EST Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:13:30 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: Internet Governance Conference: Who controls the Internet? To: APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk * Internet Governance Conference: Who controls the Internet? (Bertelsmann Foundation and Friedrich Ebert Foundation ) On April 6, 2001 the Bertelsmann Foundation and the Friedrich Ebert Foundation will present an international conference in Berlin entitled "Internet Governance - Who controls the Internet?", which will discuss expert analyses and recommendations on future-viable regulatory models concerning structure and content of the internet. For the Internet increasingly, new, globally legitimized regulatory models are requested instead of classical regulatory structures. Attention will focus on the foundation of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) since this organization appears to serve as an example for two reasons: first, compared to traditional, national regulatory structures, with the foundation of ICANN a new type of self-regulatory model has emerged in the field of the administration of Internet addresses. Second, the At-Large-Membership elections held in October 2000 represented an initial attempt at ensuring representation of all Internet users and, consequently, political legitimization of ICANN. The conference will take the case study of ICANN as a starting point to discuss global self-governance for the first time in an extended, content-related context. For more information see http://www.democratic-internet.de/Berlin2001/e_main.html _____________________________________________________________________________ http://cars.yahoo.com.au/ - Yahoo! Cars - Buy, sell or finance a car.. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Wed Jan 24 09:48:07 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA108222; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:48:07 +1000 (EST) Received: from web1305.mail.yahoo.com (web1305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.155]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA108216 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:48:03 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 21464 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2001 23:48:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20010123234801.21463.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.159.30.10] by web1305.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:48:01 EST Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:48:01 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: Free Speech, Yahoo and filtering To: APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi all a couple of stories from ZDNet dealing with filtering and free speech issues, and including comments from Peng Hwa ang in one. Cheers David Online free speech is not so free By Ariel Tam ZDNet Asia January 22, 2001 3:12 PM PT SINGAPORE - The recent hullabaloo over the Nazi-auctions French lawsuit against Yahoo! Inc. has brought to light the problematic issue of free speech on the Internet. Last year, the French court ordered Yahoo to stop Internet users in France from accessing Yahoo auction sites where Nazi artifacts are sold. Yahoo had defended the sale of such paraphernalia, citing historic value as justification. Yahoo has since reverted its policy concerning the sale of offensive items associated with extremist groups. Taboo items now include Nazi medals, posters, weapons, uniforms and Ku Klux Klan memorabilia. See http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2677192,00.html for the full story. TalkBack Central: Filtering not ideal By Scott A. Crosby, student Special to ZDNet January 22, 2001 5:39 PM PT If filtering actually worked, I wouldn't mind it. If filtering banned what a majority of people called smut, but allowed anything that was gray to go through, then I wouldn't mind it so much. Smut doesn't have a place in libraries. However, an educational site on sex (with pictures) -- which is not something I'd call smut -- should be allowed to go through. Now, some people feel that anything touching on sex should be blocked, and they would use filtering as an excuse for these excessive blocks. See http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2676880,00.html for the full story ===== David Goldstein 2/3 Belmont Ave, Glen Iris, 3146 email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au phone: +61 3 9885 0601 (h) +61 418 228 605 (mobile) _____________________________________________________________________________ http://cars.yahoo.com.au/ - Yahoo! Cars - Buy, sell or finance a car.. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Wed Jan 24 14:33:36 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA79597; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:33:36 +1000 (EST) Received: from web1305.mail.yahoo.com (web1305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.155]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA79593 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:33:33 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 17378 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jan 2001 04:33:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20010124043328.17377.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.159.30.10] by web1305.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:33:28 EST Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:33:28 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: EU INITIATIVE FUNDS FILTERS To: APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi all This was posted to a mailing list down under I am on, and while I'm not 100% sure where it's from, I think it is from "Edupage", and was originally from Interactive Week. Cheers David - - - - - EU INITIATIVE FUNDS FILTERS The European Union (EU), in conjunction with six European companies and organizations, has launched the World Wide Web Safe Surfing Project to develop Internet filtering applications customized to users in several European nations. The initiative is part of a $23.4 million EU strategy to make Web surfing free of illegal or objectionable material. The EU is funding several projects under the aegis of the initiative, the latest being a multilingual, multicultural filtering technique. The Safe Surfing Project addresses the fact that some leading Web filters "do not really respect national or cultural differences," claims Webwasher.com CEO Horst Joepen. Webwasher, a Siemens subsidiary, is working on the Safe Surfing Project along with France's Institut Eurecom and Thales Communications, Spain's Instituto Tecnico de Ensenanza y Servicios, Zeus Consulting of Greece, and the University of Namur in Belgium. The group wants to expand filter use through the project, and expects their first products to be available to the public in three or four months. The first wave of filtering products will be aimed at French, Greek, and Spanish users. (Interactive Week, 15 January 2001) ===== David Goldstein 2/3 Belmont Ave, Glen Iris, 3146 email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au phone: +61 3 9885 0601 (h) +61 418 228 605 (mobile) _____________________________________________________________________________ http://cars.yahoo.com.au/ - Yahoo! Cars - Buy, sell or finance a car.. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Thu Jan 25 05:19:50 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA66052; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:19:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA66048 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:19:47 +1000 (EST) Received: from getit (bgreene-dsl4.cisco.com [144.254.193.61]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id LAA21819 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:19:44 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Laina Raveendran Greene" To: "Apple@Apnic. Net" Subject: FW: [icann-announce] ICANN Elects Dr. M. Stuart Lynn as New President & CEO Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:15:48 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: icann-announce@icann.org [mailto:icann-announce@icann.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 8:58 AM To: ICANN Announcement List Subject: [icann-announce] ICANN Elects Dr. M. Stuart Lynn as New President & CEO January 23, 2001 (Marina del Rey, California, USA) - The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) announced today that the Board of Directors has elected Dr. M. Stuart Lynn to succeed Michael Roberts as President and Chief Executive Officer. Dr. Lynn will take office at the conclusion of the Board's next meeting in Melbourne, Australia, March 10-13, 2001. Mike Roberts, ICANN's current President and CEO, has held the position since October 1998 and has overseen the start-up of the organization. Dr. Lynn has had a distinguished career in computing and information technology that dates back almost four decades. His most recent position until his retirement in 1999 was as Associate Vice President for Information Resources and Communications for the University of California Office of the President where he served as chief information officer for the combined University of California system. Dr. Lynn also served as President and Chairman of the Board of the Corporation for Education Network Initiatives in California (CENIC). "We are incredibly fortunate to have found someone with Stuart Lynn's extensive and varied technical and managerial background to succeed Mike Roberts," said Vint Cerf, Chairman of the ICANN Board of Directors. "Dr. Lynn will bring the energy, experience and skills needed to forge consensus from the diversity of Internet constituencies that have interest in ICANN and its work. I look forward to working with Stuart, the Board and the ICANN staff during the coming year." Cerf also served as the chairman of the Executive Search Committee. The election of Dr. Lynn concludes a global executive search process that began in November 1999 and included consideration of more than 300 members of the global Internet community. That input resulted in an impressive slate of qualified candidates from each of ICANN's five global regions. "I am honored to have been chosen for such a unique and challenging position and look forward to working with all of the members of the Internet community around the world to achieve ICANN's technical mission," said Dr. Lynn. Dr. Lynn has also held positions at Cornell University, UC Berkeley, Rice University, Baylor College of Medicine, IBM and Chevron. Over the course of his career he has been active in several professional organizations including the Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) and the American Federation of Information Processing Societies. In 1994, he was elected a Fellow of the ACM. In addition, he has served on numerous boards of directors, advisory committees and as a consultant to academia, government and industry. Dr. Lynn holds a M.A. and Ph.D. in Mathematics from the University of California at Los Angeles and a B.A. and M.A. in Mathematics from Oxford University. A British citizen by birth, Dr. Lynn is now a citizen of the United States and resides in Palm Springs, California with his family. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Mon Jan 29 15:40:34 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA79425; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:40:33 +1000 (EST) Received: from web1305.mail.yahoo.com (web1305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.155]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA79418 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:40:31 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 25617 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2001 05:40:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20010129054029.25616.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.159.30.10] by web1305.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:40:29 EST Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:40:29 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: privacy, labelling, filtering... To: APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi all A few stories I came across today that will possibly be of interest, excerpts of which are below, and click on the links if you want more. Cheers David An international comparative study of consumer privacy on the Internet. See http://www.consumersinternational.org/news/pressreleases/fprivreport.pdf for the report in pdf format by Consumers International. ****************** The Great Firewall "Mao Zedong said that to have power you need two things: the gun and the pen ... The Communist Party has the gun, but the Internet is now the pen. If they lose control of it, something will happen to challenge their authority." --Guo Liang, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, Beijing, in an interview with CPJ. On June 3, 2000, police in Chengdu arrested the founder of China's first human-rights Web site, www.6-4tianwang.com. Huang Qi was accused of "subverting state power," a charge that could land him in jail for ten years. Seconds before his arrest, Huang posted a final bulletin to his site. "There is a long way in front of us," he wrote. "Thank you all, thanks to everybody devoted to democracy of China. They are here now (the policemen), so long." Earlier, Beijing authorities had commended Huang after his Web site helped find thousands of women who had been abducted in rural China and sold into marriage. More controversially, the site criticized the Tiananmen Square massacre of June 4, 1989, when the Chinese army opened fire on pro-democracy demonstrators in central Beijing. Huang also exposed a racket that was forcing Chinese fishermen to undergo appendectomies, apparently so that local officials could make money from the surgery. Huang is one of seven people arrested for Internet-related "crimes" in China since 1998. He was still in jail at the end of 2000, but supporters quickly copied his site to a U.S. server, and its content remained accessible from China in early January. Even so, such arrests have a deterrent effect. "You don't have to arrest too many people before everyone gets the message," said an American newspaper correspondent in Beijing. "The government here is very good at intimidation." See http://www.cpj.org/Briefings/2001/China_jan01/China_jan01.html ******************* Joint Statement Opposing Legislative Requirements for School and Library Internet Blocking Technologies With the United States Congress' passage of legislation requiring the use of Internet blocking technologies in all public schools and libraries participating in certain federal programs, it has become clear that these schools and libraries are facing a variety of challenges. The following individuals and organizations oppose mandatory Internet blocking technology requirements in public schools and libraries because blocking technologies: See http://www.onlinepolicy.org/network/statement.htm. ******************* Vorderman attacks Net industry for porn apathy By Richard Barry In an unprecedented attack on the apathy of the government and the Internet industry, TV broadcaster Carol Vorderman lambasted both for failing to protect children from paedophiles operating online Tuesday. At a heated debate of the Internet Watch Foundation's (IWF) first parliamentary meeting in the House of Lords, Vorderman stunned the audience with her comments. See http://uk.news.yahoo.com/010123/152/axm6v.html ******************* Minister tells industry to protect children using chat rooms New ways to stop internet chat rooms being used by child sex abusers to meet and "groom" children are being considered, the Home Office minister, Lord Bassam, said yesterday. Measures include the improved supervision of chat rooms and "hotlines" so that children could make an official report when they felt they had been the target of an "inappropriate" approach. The proposals follow talks between the internet industry, police and the government. Addressing an Internet Watch Foundation seminar yesterday, Lord Bassam said that there was a difficulty in outlawing the early stages of contact between a potential abuser and a child. See http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/internetnews/story/0,7369,427218,00.html ******************* Conference on the evaluation of the ICANN process On April 6, 2001 the Bertelsmann Foundation and the Friedrich Ebert Foundation will present an international conference entitled "Internet Governance - Who controls the Internet?", which will discuss expert analyses and recommendations on future-viable regulatory models concerning structure and content of the internet. Conference participation is by invitation only. See http://www.democratic-internet.de/Berlin2001/e_main.html ===== David Goldstein 2/3 Belmont Ave, Glen Iris, 3146 email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au phone: +61 3 9885 0601 (h) +61 418 228 605 (mobile) _____________________________________________________________________________ http://cars.yahoo.com.au/ - Yahoo! Cars - Buy, sell or finance a car.. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Tue Jan 30 10:44:41 2001 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA101651; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:44:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from web1305.mail.yahoo.com (web1305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.155]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA101631 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:44:38 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 27772 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2001 00:44:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20010130004436.27771.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.159.30.10] by web1305.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:44:36 EST Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:44:36 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: Internet providers press for protection from libel To: APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk >From the Independent in the UK. Cheers David Internet providers press for protection from libel By Clayton Hirst 28 January 2001 A group of more than 100 internet companies is to ask the Government to pass laws to prevent organisations being sued for defamatory material online. The Internet Service Providers Association (ISPA) – whose members include BT, Freeserve, Thus, AOL and Easynet – is expected to vote in favour of lobbying at a meeting on Wednesday. The initiative is being driven by Thus, the Scottish telecoms company that owns Demon Internet, with 177,000 UK subscribers. Last March Demon settled a libel case and paid damages to an academic who claimed he had been defamed by an anonymous posting on Demon's bulletin board. See http://www.independent.co.uk/news/Digital/Update/2001-01/internet280101.shtml for the full article. _____________________________________________________________________________ http://sport.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! 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