From owner-apple Mon Apr 6 22:01:36 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id WAA19332 for apple-out; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:01:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from geocities.com (mail4.geocities.com [209.1.224.24]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA19325 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:01:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from yapcs-r2 (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA11397; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3528D2F3.16D399BA@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 21:04:51 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Reply-To: MILIS APPLE Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS APPLE Subject: Simple Power Questions ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk 1. Basic Power Question: What is the difference between "Power", "Work", "Moment", "Work", "Energy", "Impulse", and "Force" according to Newton, Einstein, Parson, and Giddens ? 2. Practical Power Question: Who is more powerful: IANA, Net$ol, or Micro$oft ? Who will win in case claiming primary "root sever" ? regards, -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim-VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 -- I probably need Alta Vista for my ~/Mail directory -- Paul Vixie * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Apr 6 22:47:02 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id WAA19776 for apple-out; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:47:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from exchange.agent.org ([206.5.17.29]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with SMTP id WAA19770 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:46:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from [206.5.17.2] by exchange.chaos.com (NTMail 3.03.0016/1.acsd) with ESMTP id la004275 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:49:48 -0400 X-Sender: amr@mail.chaos.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1.323 (Beta) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 09:49:47 -0400 To: MILIS APPLE From: Tony Rutkowski Subject: Re: Simple Power Questions ... In-Reply-To: <3528D2F3.16D399BA@geocities.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <13494835702971@chaos.com> Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Rahmat, > Who will win in case claiming primary "root sever" ? It will necessarily be a collective decision. The likely answer will be that is will be either operated or outsourced by the new Assigned Numbers Corporation - working together with major ISPs and multiple responsible governmental entities. At the hearing last week, IOPS was quietly campaigning. By the way, for those who wish to study the various comments in the Dept of Commerce Notice of Proposed Rulemaking proceeding, a useful reference table has been placed at the WIA site at: It contains a complete list of all 694 comments on the NTIA site sorted by organization (170) and individuals (524) with pointers directly to the file on the NTIA site. The Microsoft Excel spreadsheet binary file is also available. cheers, --tony * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Tue Apr 7 13:14:34 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id NAA28612 for apple-out; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:14:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from geocities.com (mail4.geocities.com [209.1.224.24]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA28607 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:14:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from yapcs-r2 (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA07725; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3529A8A5.4AE72FAB@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 12:16:37 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Reply-To: MILIS APPLE Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS APPLE Subject: Re: Simple Power Questions ... References: <13494835702971@chaos.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Tony Rutkowski wrote: >> Who will win in case claiming primary "root sever" ? > It will necessarily be a collective decision. Howeverm, among those three parties, IANA is just a member of relatively very small cult (the I* family). What power does I* really have ? Micr$oft at the other side, is big and powerful: - they can just change the new default root configuration in their next Windows2000 release. - they can just ignore the current domain system by setting up their own naming system. Perhaps, "Your Favorite New Domain Name" will be just mapped into "YOURFA~1.a12g65.microsoft.net" at the legacy DNS system. regards, -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim-VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 -- I probably need Alta Vista for my ~/Mail directory -- Paul Vixie * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Thu Apr 9 22:06:50 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id WAA05451 for apple-out; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:06:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from geocities.com (mail2.geocities.com [209.1.224.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA05447 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:06:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from yapcs-r2 (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA26614; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352CC8B1.68CE7D01@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 21:10:09 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS APPLE CC: celloz@gading.ub.net.id, GruWo Plus Subject: 13 Indonesian ISPs sign an MOU with P.T. Telkom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk (catch-22: in Bahasa Indonesia) A consortium of 13 Indonesian ISPs will share together P.T. Telkom's (http://www.telkom.net.id) UP-LINK. It seems that this agreement was arranged behind the back of APJII (http://www.apjii.or.id), the Indonesian Internet Cartel. More fun will come as besides IDNIC (http://www.idnic.net.id), there will be also yet another ID-NIC at (http://www.id-nic.net). regards, -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim-VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 -- I probably need Alta Vista for my ~/Mail directory -- Paul Vixie * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Fri Apr 10 09:45:58 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id JAA13197 for apple-out; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:45:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from geocities.com (mail2.geocities.com [209.1.224.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA13192 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:45:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from yapcs-r2 (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA25368; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352D6C90.5B75E89@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:49:20 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS APPLE CC: celloz@gading.ub.net.id, GruWo Plus Subject: 13 Indonesian ISPs sign an MOU with P.T. Telkom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk (catch-22: in Bahasa Indonesia) A consortium of 13 Indonesian ISPs will share together P.T. Telkom's (http://www.telkom.net.id) UP-LINK. It seems that this agreement was somewhat arranged behind the back of their own APJII (http://www.apjii.or.id). More fun will come as besides: IDNIC (http://www.idnic.net.id), there will be also a counterpart named ID-NIC (http://www.id-nic.net). tabe, -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim-VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 -- I probably need Alta Vista for my ~/Mail directory -- Paul Vixie * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Fri Apr 10 10:02:52 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id KAA13623 for apple-out; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:02:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from geocities.com (mail2.geocities.com [209.1.224.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA13618 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:02:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from yapcs-r2 (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA07252 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352D708D.383463D2@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:06:21 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS APPLE Subject: Re: 13 Indonesian ISPs sign an MOU with P.T. Telkom References: <199804100050.RAA14486@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hello: I am sorry, for double posting .... It seems that geocities mail server does not work properly. regards, -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim-VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 -- I probably need Alta Vista for my ~/Mail directory -- Paul Vixie * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sat Apr 11 21:56:04 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id VAA04541 for apple-out; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:56:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from geocities.com (mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id VAA04535 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:55:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from yapcs-r2 (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA11784 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 05:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <352F692E.2EFDC926@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:59:26 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS APPLE Subject: Introducing: ISWorld Net Indonesia Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hello: Once in the late 1980-s and early 1990-s, I was involved in = promoting Internet into Indonesia. As late as 1994, we had = to alert everyone especially the telecommunication companies = for having attention regarding this issue. Currently, it is = estimated that there are almost 100.000 Indonesian Internet = users, and it is still growing! However, I have no idea how = that user number was calculated: perhaps each dial-up = account is shared by many customers, as ex subscribers are = still counted. As I have never restricted any Internet = Service Provider (ISP) to register a domain in zone "net.id" = , Indonesia = is one of the few countries in the region where virtually = everyone can open an ISP. Now that Internet is "well established" (whatever that means) = in Indonesia, it is time to promote something else, i.e. MIS (Management Information Systems). As a theme, I choose: "Let's recover from the economy crisis with MIS" and therefore, I would like to introduce: http://indonesia.isworld.org/ (Va,USA) or http://isworld.tjt.or.id/ (Jakarta,Indonesia) Its bahasa Indonesia (language) version is at: http://indonesia.isworld.org/isworld-indodex.html (USA) http://isworld.tjt.or.id/isworld-indodex.html (ID) ISWorld Net Indonesia consists of more than 60 small = bandwidth-friendly files (ca. 250 Kbytes). Those webpages are = ISWorld managed by a Virtual Non-Government Organization, i.e. = VLSM-TJT, which has been established with tongue-in-cheek on 27-July-1996. But, alas! Where are all those Indonesian MIS fellows that are = supposed to enjoy those WebPages? They might be hiding somewhere; = perhaps in the university departments like Computer Science, = Economics, Engineering, Psychology, Management, Natural Science, = Social Science, etc. Let's make a list of "formal" and "informal" = Indonesian universities WebPages and departments that might be related to MIS: http://indonesia.isworld.org/isworld-uni.html (USA) http://isworld.tjt.or.id/isworld-uni.html (ID) They might need a list of MIS related journal, libraries, call = numbers, and URLs: http://indonesia.isworld.org/isworld-journal.html (USA) http://isworld.tjt.or.id/isworld-journal.html (ID) The MIS community might need a discussion list, i.e. the = Paleo-Information System Science World list: http://www.vlsm.org/pissworld-index.html (USA) Currently, there are more than 60 not-so-active subscribers, = including dean/sub-deans, graduate program heads, CEOs, CIOs, = students, etc. What else? They might want to browse the rest of the fascinating = ISWorld Net pages: http://www.isworld.org (USA) However, most of them have to pay their own dial-up WWW (Wait = Wait Wait) low-speed internet link.=85 No problem, let's temporarily build a nutshell so that they can reach anything in one stroke: http://indonesia.isworld.org/isworld-isw.html (USA) http://isworld.tjt.or.id/isworld-isw.html (ID) Thirty recent ISWord Net changes are at http://indonesia.isworld.org/isworld-iswnew.html (USA) http://isworld.tjt.or.id/isworld-isw.html (ID) = With very best regards at this long weekend, -- = Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim-VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 -- I probably need Alta Vista for my ~/Mail directory -- Paul Vixie * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Thu Apr 16 13:32:37 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id NAA11102 for apple-out; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:32:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from geocities.com (mail5.geocities.com [209.1.224.25]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA11094 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:32:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from yapcs-r2 (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA17495; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35358AAA.4A70E66F@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:35:54 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS APPLE CC: "Milis Virtual IDNIC . kre@munnari.oz.au" Subject: TLD-ID (was) Re: Introducing: http://indonesia.isworld.org References: <01BD6520.E5159E40@pc.unir.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Jim Fleming wrote: > Have you considered allowing registrations directly under .ID ? I am just a sitting duck waiting to be replaced since 27-July-1996. For this issue, you might be interested to watch . One of my favorite is KRE's "id.au" scheme at . However, instead of at the third level, directly at the second level. > This would encourage names such as WWW..ID > which is more compatible with the .COM style names. > > If you are looking for economic recovery, you might note that > the InterNIC and now WorldNIC are enjoying .COM financial rewards. > Will .ID share in those ? I don't know ... tabe, -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim-VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 -- I probably need Alta Vista for my ~/Mail directory -- Paul Vixie * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sat Apr 18 23:22:28 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id XAA22271 for apple-out; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:22:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from iron.singnet.com.sg (iron.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.29]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA22267 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:22:22 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas0411.singnet.com.sg [165.21.56.201]) by iron.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA06159 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:25:19 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 22:26:59 To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk --- On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:28:53 +0200 momuc98 wrote: [REPOST] -- MoMuC'98 Dear Colleague, Enclosed is the 2nd-CFP for MoMuC'98. Please feel free to distribute it to interested colleagues and post it as appropriate. Also, please accept our sincere apologies if you receive multiple copies of this CFP. Best regards Adam Wolisz _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ MoMuC '98 _/ _/ FIFTH INTERNATIONAL WORKSHOP ON _/ _/ MOBILE MULTIMEDIA COMMUNICATION _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ SECOND CALL FOR PAPERS Berlin, Germany October 12-14, 1998 (immediately after ICUPC`98, Florence, Italy) WWW: http://momuc98.ee.tu-berlin.de email: momuc98@ee.tu-berlin.de Technical Co-Sponsored by IEEE Communication Society Technical Co-Sponsored by ITG (Informationstechnische Gesellschaft) With support from the European's Commission ACTS Programme WORKSHOP OBJECTIVE This is the fifth in a series of international work- shops - Tokyo in 1994, Bristol in 1995, Princeton in 1996 and Seoul in 1997 - aimed at stimulating tech- nical exchanges in the emerging and strategically important field of Mobile Multimedia Communica- tions. MoMuC'98 is intended to provide a timely forum for exploratory research contributions, and to promote cross-disciplinary technical interactions in an informal setting. The scope of the workshop includes broadband wireless networking for data and multimedia, mobile multimedia system & appli- cations together with associated mobile computing terminals, video processing and software. The workshop goal is to bring together researchers, practitioners and potential users of this emerging technology. The workshop targets at experts in mul- timedia systems, mobility issues in network proto- cols and communication systems. The impact of the workshop is to provide an effective forum for origi- nal and fundamental advances in Mobile Multime- dia Systems and to foster communication among researchers and practitioners working in a wide vari- ety of scientific areas with a common interest in mobile multimedia communication. After the MoMuC'98 Workshop, the First Workshop on Wireless Broadband Testbeds (http://comet.columbia.edu/demo98/), which is co-located with MoMuC'98, will be held on October 15, 1998. TECHNICAL PROGRAM The 3-day technical program will primarily consist of contributed research papers. In addition, there will be a few distinguished invited speakers and expert panel sessions providing a broad perspective in each technical area. The conference language is english. TECHNICAL TOPICS COVERED INCLUDE (but are not limited to): WIRELESS NETWORKS FOR MULTIMEDIA COMMUNICATION - broadband wireless networks - wireless ATM - voice/data in CDMA & TDMA systems - high-speed wireless modems & radio techniques - medium access/data link control and handoff protocols - quality-of-service (QoS) management in wireless networks - wireless network signaling, control & mobility management - mobile internet protocol - wireless network management & services control MOBILE MULTIMEDIA TERMINAL HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE - multimedia terminal hardware - signal processing techniques - low power VLSI for mobile computing - video compression, including MPEG-4 - network API and transport protocols - software technologies for personal multimedia MOBILE MULTIMEDIA SYSTEMS - mobile computing - optimization of bandwidth use - powers saving - mobility support in ATM and INTERNET - QoS and mobility - adaptive applications - system architectures for mobile multimedia - innovative prototypes, systems & products - multimedia satellite systems - personal multimedia applications We especially invite submissions pertaining to sys- tem approach rather than investigation of individual mechanisms. If individual mechanisms are consid- ered, their relevance to the multimedia communica- tion system should be clearly stated. Papers on all aspects of multimedia mobile communication are welcome. Of particular interest are papers which address the system aspects: design, real-life experi- ences, but relevant papers concerned with individual important mechanisms are also welcome. Authors are invited to submit extended abstracts, clearly stat- ing the problem statement, the approach to its solu- tion, the approach used as well as the main results. In case of system description the new features/ mechanisms should be exposed, in case of contribu- tions concerned with individual mechanisms their relevance for multimedia mobile communication should be stressed. SUBMISSION INFORMATION: Contributions in english are invited in the form of extended abstracts (about 1500 words) which should be submitted electronically before May 14, 1998. All submitted papers will be refereed for quality, correctness, originality and relevance. The program committee reserves the right to accept a submission as full paper or poster presentation. All accepted papers will be published in the conference proceed- ings. Authors will be interested to know that issuing a book containing outstanding papers from the Workshop is being planned. To submit a paper send an email to momuc98@ee.tu-berlin.de including: - a cover sheet, which contains: * title, * author(s), * author's affiliation, * email address(es), * fax number and * postal address. * In case of multiple authors, the author's name which is responsible for correspondence and preparing the camera ready paper for the proceedings. - the submitted paper (single spaced, 10 point Times font, A4 paper, Postscript or PDF format) as attachment. All printed material (text, illustrations) must be kept within a print area of 6-7/8 inches (17.5 cm) wide by 8-7/8 inches (22.54 cm) high. On all pages, the bottom margin should be approximately 1-5/8 inches (4.13 cm) from the bottom edge of the page (A4 paper). If it is not possible to submit via email, send five copies of the manuscript to the following address, including a cover sheet with the above mentioned informations. SUBMISSION ADDRESS FOR HARDCOPIES: Prof. Dr.-Ing. Adam Wolisz TU Berlin, Sekr.FT-5-2, Einsteinufer 25 10587 Berlin, Germany For more information visit our WWW site at: http://momuc98.ee.tu-berlin.de or mail your question to: momuc98@ee.tu-berlin.de We also try to arrange financial support for authors of accepted papers coming from Middle- or Eastern European countries. Please, if you would like to be considered for support send an email to momuc98@ee.tu-berlin.de asking for more details, or check the workshop's web-page. WORKSHOP CHAIR Adam Wolisz (Technical University of Berlin) STEERING COMMITTEE: D. Goodman (Rutgers University) D. Raychaudhuri (NEC, Princeton) H. Tominaga (Waseda University Tokyo) TECHNICAL PROGRAMM COMMITTEE: Y. Akaiwa, Kyushuu University V. Bahl, Microsoft Research E. Bonek, TU Wien A. Campbell, Columbia University K. David, T-Mobil N. Davies, Lancaster University G. Fettweis, TU Dresden Z. Haas, Cornell University T. Hattori, Sophia University Tokyo R. Jain, UC Los Angeles M. Karol, Lucent Technologies R. Krämer, Phillips Research P. Kühn, Universität Stuttgart K. S. Kwak, Inha University Seoul G. Maguire, KTH Stockholm H. Mitts, Nokia P. Noll, TU Berlin S. Pink, Lulea University G. Polyzos, UC San Diego K. Sabnani, Bell Labs O. Spaniol, RWTH Aachen S. Thome, ENST C.-K. Toh, Hughes Research Labs B. Walke, RWTH Aachen A. Wolisz, TU Berlin R. Popescu-Zeletin, GMD Fokus IMPORTANT DATES: Submission Deadline: May 14, 1998 Notification of Acceptance: June 12, 1998 Camera Ready Full Paper August 14, 1998 Venue: October 12-14, 1998 VENUE: MoMuC `98 will be held in Berlin, the city which after 40 years of splitting is now the live symbol of the German reunification, and on its way to the grow into the role of the German capital. It is currently one of the largest construction sites worldwide. On the other hand it is also a city of industry, the place where the first tram worldwide was operating, where glo- bal companies like Siemens started off and still have a strong position. Nowadays Berlin is changing its economic role away from mainly industrial to become a service-oriented gateway to the new democracies in Eastern Europe. Located between numerous lakes it has more bridges than Venice, Italy within its city limits. It is a vibrant cultural metropolis, with 3 Opera Houses, several Musicals Houses and hundreds of theaters. 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FOR MORE INFORMATIONS visit our WWW site at: http://momuc98.ee.tu-berlin.de/ or mail your questions, comments and suggestions to momuc98@ee.tu-berlin.de ------------ Telecommunication Networks Group (TKN) at the Department of Electrical Engineering of Technical University of Berlin: http://www-tkn.ee.tu-berlin.de -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 18/04/98 Time: 22:26:59 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Tue Apr 21 06:49:37 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id GAA03100 for apple-out; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 06:49:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from armstrong.apic.net (armstrong.apic.net [203.22.101.2]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id GAA03093 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 06:49:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from boss.apic.net (boss.apic.net [203.22.102.40]) by armstrong.apic.net (8.8.7/APIC-2.1) with SMTP id HAA12127 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 07:52:21 +1000 (EST) X-Org: The Asia Pacific Internet Company Pty. Ltd. X-URL: http://www.apic.net/ Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980421075021.00c358bc@mail.apic.net> X-Sender: bala@mail.apic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 07:50:21 +1000 To: apple@apnic.net From: Bala Pillai Subject: ILPF Announces Self-Regulation Initiative (fw) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Dear APPLers, Some of you may be interested. cheers../bala >X-Org: The Asia Pacific Internet Company Pty. Ltd. >X-URL: http://www.apic.net/ >Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:49:05 +0100 >From: Marilyn Malenfant >Reply-To: malenfant@ilpf.org >Organization: Internet Law and Policy Forum >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) >To: contacts@ilpf.org >Subject: ILPF Announces Self-Regulation Initiative > >ILPF has commenced a working group concerning self-regulation of the >Internet. The initiative comes in response to both industry and >government calls for more activity in this area. ILPF proposes to create >a Bibliography of Self-Regulation Literature, an inventory and study of >the various mechanisms and modes of self-regulation, and recommendations >for moving forward with a framework for self-regulation. > >The bibliography is work-in-progress and now available for public >comment and input. The bibliography is the creation of Matthew J. >McCloskey mattmcc@u.washington.edu, who will monitor the discussion and >add to the bibliography over the coming months. The inventory phase will >be conducted over the next few months. The results of the ILPF >initiative will be made available at the Ottawa meeting of OECD >ministers. > >http://www.ilpf.org/selfreg/announce.htm > >-- >Marilyn Malenfant Voice: +1.514.288.1966 >Administrative Coordinator Fax: +1.514.288.6355 >Internet Law and Policy Forum Email: malenfant@ilpf.org >Montreal, Canada http://www.ilpf.org > > bala pillai* bala@sydney.net*the asia pacific internet co, sydney O N L I N E E M P O W E R E D C O M M U N I T I E S for info send blank ph:+61 2 9419 5333 fax: + 61 2 9419 5155 * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Thu Apr 23 22:07:44 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id WAA02400 for apple-out; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:07:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from geocities.com (mail1.geocities.com [209.1.224.29]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA02396 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:07:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from yapcs-r2 (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA05929; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <353F3DE0.44ABC610@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:10:56 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS APPLE CC: Milis Virtual IDNIC Subject: Where in IANA is Carmen Sandiego? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hello: It has been a little bit quit, recently :-). I am just curious, if there is someone with a better picture of IANA: - it is said, that IANA is just an Uncle Sam's contract to the ISI-USC. - according to IANA's IAHC's gTLD-MoU , IANA is in charge in maintaining the root, assuming that there exists only one holy root. Therefore, Klingon's and Ferengi's root are excluded, not mention other stargate/ galaxi's root and the eDNS. - according to RFC1601 , somehow, IETF's IAB is in charge to look after IANA, whereas the holy ISOC is on the top of everything. Question: - is this the complete story ? - why does the Internet DNS Names Review Board (IDNB) -- a committee that supposed to be established by the IANA -- not exist ? [KING97] "Those who study the long-term social and economic aspects of technical innovation will not be surprised if cyberspace is eventually subsumed under the umbrella of established infrastructure providers" [...] "Lost of novelty, at least as understood by the research and engineering community that gave rise to [the I* community], is a serious blow to [their] culture". Regards from Uncle SAMik, -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim-VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 - 501(C)laude Levi-Strauss' Non-Profit Structuralism Jeans(m/tic) - * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Fri Apr 24 01:42:55 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id BAA04972 for apple-out; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:42:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from baygate.bayarea.net (root@baygate.bayarea.net [204.71.212.2]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id BAA04968 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:42:50 +0900 (JST) Received: (from dcrocker@localhost) by baygate.bayarea.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA09239; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.0.1.329.19980423091550.03f55a50@mail.bayarea.net> X-Sender: dcrocker@mail.bayarea.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1.329 (Beta) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:32:20 -0700 To: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" From: Dave Crocker Subject: Re: Where in IANA is Carmen Sandiego? Cc: MILIS APPLE , Milis Virtual IDNIC , pab@gtld-mou.org In-Reply-To: <353F3DE0.44ABC610@geocities.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk At 09:10 PM 4/23/98 +0800, Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim wrote: >- it is said, that IANA is just an Uncle Sam's contract to the This is now the position of the US government, particularly the White House. They have enough power to make this assertion of authority something that cannot be ignored. >- according to IANA's IAHC's gTLD-MoU , > IANA is in charge in maintaining the root, assuming that there This has been the reality of the DNS since its inception. The real authority of IANA stems from the operators of the DNS root and, even more importantly, from the many DNS client resolvers around the world. (It has NOT stemmed from its source of funds, the US government.) The most important set of these resolvers are the Internet service providers around the world, since most users point their own software at the server run by the ISP. The IANA root is chosen by 99.5% of the ISPs. This is strictly voluntary. If the US government makes the wrong choices, it would be entirely possible for another group (imagine if ASEAN and EU got together on this) to set up an alternative root that was not dominated by the US government.) >- according to RFC1601 , > somehow, IETF's IAB is in charge to look after IANA, whereas > the holy ISOC is on the top of everything. For many of us, the IETF, the IAB, the IESG, and a number of other organizations would also rate the "holy" label and possibly would rate it long before giving it to ISOC. IN fact, given the religious fervor which so easily arises on the net, it's not clear that the term "holy" works well to distinguish one group or position from another... But more seriously, when a chart of organizational relationships is drawn, yes ISOC is usually drawn on top. My own version of the chart has IAB and ISOC to the side of the IETF, since the real-world, daily operation of the IETF is independent of IAB and ISOC, except in 3 cases. One is the writing of formal IETF procedures, in which case the ISOC board must approve them. The second is in selecting "managers" for the IETF, that is, area directors who are part of the IESG (IETF Steering Group). A special "nominating committee" does the selecting. The chair of the nomcom is chosen by the board of ISOC, although the other members of nomcom are chosen by random selection from a pool of volunteers.) The nominees for the IESG must be approved by the IAB. The nomcom also nominates people to be on the IAB. These nominations must be approved by the ISOC board. And lastly, when there is a challenge to a decision by the IESG, an appeals sequences goes to the IAB. If their ruling is not satisfactory, a recent change in IETF procedures permits taking the matter up with ISOC. This option has never been exercised. In any event, this says that ISOC is quite important with respect to some strategic IETF activities, but is not part of its daily activity. >- why does the Internet DNS Names Review Board (IDNB) -- a > committee that supposed to be established by the IANA -- not > exist ? Until quite recently, the DNS has functioned nicely and without very much politics or conflict. As with all other Internet technology and service, use over time teaches us about changes that need to be made. That is the reason we are now seeking to enhance the operation of IANA, the IP address assignment structure and the domain name assignment structure. d/ __________________________________________________________________________ Dave Crocker Brandenburg Consulting +1 408 246 8253 dcrocker@brandenburg.com 675 Spruce Drive (f) +1 408 273 6464 www.brandenburg.com Sunnyvale, CA 94086 USA * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Fri Apr 24 12:35:12 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id MAA11597 for apple-out; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:35:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from chaiwan.hk.super.net (chaiwan.hk.super.net [202.14.67.34]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA11593; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:35:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwaifong.hk.super.net (root@kwaifong.hk.super.net [202.14.67.7]) by chaiwan.hk.super.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16033; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:37:58 +0800 (HKT) Received: from nt (max12-42.hk.super.net [202.64.28.42]) by kwaifong.hk.super.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01376; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:37:56 +0800 (HKT) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:37:56 +0800 (HKT) Message-Id: <199804240337.LAA01376@kwaifong.hk.super.net> X-Sender: pindar@pop.hk.super.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: apia-members@apia.org From: pindar@HK.Super.NET (Pindar Wong) Subject: ISOC Trustee Voting Reminder Cc: apng-all@apng.org, apple@apnic.net, apnic-talk@apnic.net Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi All, [ Apologies for Duplicates ] Just a reminder to encourage those of you who are ISOC members to vote during the upcoming ISOC Board of Trustees Election. There are a number of strong candidates from the our region... and the web-based voting procedure is rather painless. For those of you who aren't ISOC members, or like me... have let your membership lapse, maybe could consider joining or renewing ;) Cheers, Pindar PS: I believe the deadline is end of May. April 1, 1998 Election Period Opens May 30, 1998 Election Date June 1, 1998 Challenge Period Opens June 10, 1997 Elections Committee Certifies Result June 20, 1998 Challenge Period Closes July 10, 1998 ISOC Response to Challenge Period Closes July 20, 1998 ISOC Board of Trustees Annual General Meeting * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Fri Apr 24 16:11:00 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id QAA16005 for apple-out; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:11:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from geocities.com (mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA15987 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:10:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from yapcs-r2 (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA21643; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35403BB3.5C160EB0@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:13:55 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS APPLE Subject: Re: ISOC Trustee Voting Reminder References: <199804240337.LAA01376@kwaifong.hk.super.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Pindar Wong wrote: > Just a reminder to encourage those of you who are ISOC members Thank you very much for your reminder. At least, I know now that is still there :^). Unfortunately, I am neither a member of the Internet Society, nor the Outernet one. > .. and the web-based voting procedure is rather painless. Hm ... at least I will visit the ISOC's webpage at: > For those of you who aren't ISOC members, or like me... > have let your membership lapse, maybe could consider > joining or renewing ;) No, thanks. I can not even calculate the ROI of the "qualifying" US$ 12 membership fee ..... krismon, euy! -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim-VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 - 501(C)laude Levi-Strauss' Non-Profit Structuralism Jeans(m/tic) - * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Thu Apr 30 23:46:34 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) id XAA13514 for apple-out; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:46:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.7/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA13509 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:46:22 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas1458.singnet.com.sg [165.21.52.128]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA05541 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:48:36 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 22:50:27 Subject: FW: Internet telephony not illegal as per Telegraph Act To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk --- On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Clay Graner wrote: http://www.economictimes.com/200498/20econ12.htm Internet telephony not illegal as per Telegraph Act Kasturirangan P MUMBAI 19 APRIL THOSE who think Internet telephony is illegal and that operators providing such a service and those using it can be taken to court, cannot prove it in the court of law. Nowhere does the Indian Telegraph Act (ITA) drafted in 1885, which governs telecom policy issues, say that use of Internet telephony is illegal. It could not have as there was no internet then. Says an ex-DoT official: ``Even if the Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd (VSNL) files a case against those providing such services, there is no way that it can prove that Internet telephony was being provided'. This is because VSNL's Gateway Access for Internet Services (GAIS), the node that routes Internet traffic, cannot differentiate between voice and data. The voice is converted in data form while going through the GAIS. The Internet policy announced recently, states that internet service providers (ISPs) would not be allowed to provide Internet telephony services, but does not explicitly state that it is illegal. Telecom analysts say that while the use of Internet for conversing is not rampant, it might soon be, unless a new act is passed. They say that a Telecom Act 1999, should be framed as the ITA of 1885 is totally outdated. Several enterprising software whiz kids have downloaded the software through the Internet to facilitate the use of Internet telephony. In fact, the Internet Explorer version 4.0 has the software included in the package. If a mike and a sound card is attached to the PC, users can `speak' through the net. However, the pre-condition is that the servers at both ends should be the same. Several ex-DoT officials now say that the practices of DoT have gone unchallenged, and that it was time a new act was re-written. -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 30/04/98 Time: 22:50:27 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net *