From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Tue Feb 2 19:52:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id TAA08685; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:50:52 GMT Received: from svc00.apnic.net (svc00.apnic.net [202.12.28.131]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA08681 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:50:50 GMT Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (zinc.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.31]) by svc00.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA29955 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:59:09 GMT Received: from laina (qtas2632.singnet.com.sg [165.21.55.102]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA26828 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 02:59:02 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 99 02:54:32 From: Laina Raveendran Greene Subject: The APRICOT Week at a Glance ( Version 1.1 ) - The Asia Pacific Internet Festival of 1999 To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk --- On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:42:38 -0800 (PST) Barry Raveendran Greene wrote: [Apologies for the Duplications] !! Early Bird Sign up ends on 12 Feb! !! !! REGISTER NOW by Going to the on-line to !! !! http://www.apng.org/apricot/apricot.html !! !! and save $50 USD on registration cost !! The APRICOT Week at a Glance ( Version 1.1 ) The Asia Pacific Internet Festival of 1999 Venue: SunTec City Convention Centre, downtown Singapore Dates: 28 February 1999 to 7 March 1999 URL: http://www.apng.org/apricot99 (in English, Japanese, Korean, and Chinese) APRICOT'99 will consist of two days of tutorials (1-2 March 1999) and seminars followed by three days of conferences consisting of concurrent Technical, Business, Education, Policy and other tracks. (3-5 March 1999) In addition to other back-to-back meetings of Asia Pacific Internet organizations APNG, APNIC, APIA, APTLD, and their respective working groups, and other Internet conferences such as Internet World Asia @ Singapore 1999 and Singapore LINUX Conference 1999, APRICOT'99 will be hosting within its conference tracks: * ICANN Meeting, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, the successor organization to IANA. (3 March 1999) * APPLe Policy Track * Women in IT BoF * APNG Education Track * APSIRC WG (Security CERTs and FIRSTs in Asia and Pacific) * Regional Internet eXchange Point (IXP) Update BOF * APIA Business Track In it's tradition of empowering the Internet community, APRICOT'99 will again offer unique tutorials that vital to an ISP's operations. These tutorials are presented by an instructor team that is the top %1 of the ISP Community. Through APRICOT, they are offering the ISP and Telco community knowledge, experience, and information that is not available in any other forum. Some of the material is unique - one time only at APRICOT'99. For example, "Tools Used at DIGEX and Verio to Manage Their Networks" by Randy Bush & Ed Kern, is unique in that the internal network techniques and tools of two US Tier 1 ISPs will be shared with any who come to the tutorial. New and existing ISPs/Telcos can learn from the first hand experience gained from two gurus and apply them to their networks. Here is a list of the APRICOT Tutorials: "ISP System Administration" by Barbara L. Dijker & Evi Nemeth "Sendmail Configuration and Operation" (Updated for Sendmail 8.9) by Eric Allman "Internet QoS and Traffic Management" by Geoff Huston "Internet Exchanges: The State of the Art" by Bill Manning "Designing Scaleable IP Networks" by Justin W. Newton "Optical Internetworking" by Marty Schulman "VoIP Standards Efforts and Impacts" by Scott Bradner "Routing Policy Specification Language and Analysis Tools" by David Kessens and Cengiz Alaettinoglu "Deploying VPN's and Secure Extranets" by Bruce Perlmutter "Managing Acceptable Use" by Barbara L. Dijker "Promoting Routability" by Philip Smith "Voice and Telephony Over IP" by Drew Freyman "IPv6: The New Version of the Internet Protocol" by Steve Deering "Tools Used at Digex and Verio to Manage Their Networks" by Randy Bush & Ed Kern "Security in All Seven Layers" by Gene Deutsch "Safeguarding The Business Process: E-Commerce Security" by Dr. Kelly Jones "Broadband Wireless Local Loop" by Dewyane Hendricks "Cable Modem Protocols and Technology" by Mark Laubach "APNIC Member Training: Address Policy & Administration" by Anne Lord & Paul Wilson ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Note that all room numbers refer to those at the SunTec City - Singapore International Convention and Exhibition Center (SICEC) Date Time Room Event ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- MR 204 APNG I18n/XDSL WG (APNG WG SLAP Sunday, 28 0800-1230 cancelled) Feb MR 205 vacant 1300-1800 MR 209 APNG Disability SWG ENABLE'99 Symposium ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 0900-1800 MR 208, 209, 8 APRICOT Tutorials 306, 308-314 MR204 APNG AP-ISOC Meeting (unconfirmed) 0800-1230 MR205 APNG APSIRC WG Meeting Monday, 1 Mar MR307 APNG-APTLD Meeting on Internationalisation of the DNS MR 206 APTLD Workshop on DNS Policy 1330-1800 MR 307 APNG General Meeting APNG Chairman's Commission 1830-2130 MR 307 Critical Infrastructure Protection ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 0900-1800 MR 208, 209, 8 APRICOT Tutorials 306, 308-314 ICANN Board Committee Meetings Tuesday, 2 0800-1800 MR 204-207 (closed door) Mar 0800-1230 MR 307 APTLD Country Reports Track 1330-1800 MR 307 APTLD Membership General Meeting Evening To be APRICOT Opening Reception determined (unplanned) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- APRICOT Opening and Plenary 0900-0945: MR 201 Keynote: Professor Dave Farber 0945-1300: MR 201 ICANN Open Track Wednesday, 3 1330-1700 MR 205 ICANN Open Track Mar 1330-1700 MR 202,203 2 APRICOT Technical Tracks 1330-1700 MR 208 APRICOT Business Track APRICOT BOF 1800 - 1930 To be - Peering/Exchanges determined - Y2K ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- APRICOT Plenary Keynote 0900-1000 MR 205 Chris Moore Van Jacobson Thursday, 4 1030-1700 MR 202,203 2 APRICOT Technical Tracks Mar 1030-1700 MR 208 APRICOT APNG Educational Track APRICOT BoFs 1800 - 1930 To be - iDNS determined - PGP signing - Women in IT BOF ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- APRICOT Plenary Keynote Ms Esther Dyson, ICANN 0900-1000 MR 208 Mr Leong Kheng Thai, Director General, Telecommunications Friday, 5 Authority of Singapore Mar 1030-1700 MR 208 APRICOT APPLe Policy Track 1030-1700 MR 202, 203 APRICOT Technical Track 1030-1700 MR 204 APNIC Executive Council Meeting Evening To be APRICOT Social Event(unplanned) determined ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 6 0800-1800 MR 202 APNIC Annual General meeting Mar 0800-1800 MR 201 APIA AGM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- APRICOT Home Page http://www.apng.org/apricot99/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ APRICOT (Asia & Pacific Rim Internet Conference on Operational Technologies) Singapore March 1 - 5, 1999 -- The Annual ISP Operations and Business Summit in Asia and Pacific -- http://www.apricot.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Don't forget to come to APRICOT'99 For more details check- www.apng.org/apricot99 Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@getit.org url: www.getit.org Date: 03/02/99 Time: 02:54:32 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Wed Feb 3 23:45:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id XAA09287; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:41:28 GMT Received: from geocities.com (mail1.geocities.com [209.1.224.29]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA09283 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:41:24 GMT Received: from geocities.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03638; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:41:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36B8DE1E.16DB0D92@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 07:39:10 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS gnM-DICK CC: MILIS APPLE Subject: IT in Asia Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = Call for Papers CITA '99 Conference on Information Technology in Asia: = Information Equality in the Next Millennium The Asia Regional Conference of The International Federation for Information Processing (IFIP), Working Group 9.4 - on The Social Implications of Computers In Developing Countries At the Merdeka Palace Hotel, Kuching, Sarawak, Malaysia. = September 15th - 16th, 1999. Organised by Universiti Malaysia Sarawak (UNIMAS) **Important dates** 300-word abstract ................. February 26th, 1999 Full papers ....................... March 31st, 1999 Notification of accepted papers ... June 18th , 1999 Accepted manuscripts .............. July 16th , 1999 Conference home page: http://www.unimas.my/cita99 Theme The United Nations is greatly concerned about the imbalance in = access to communication facilities. The information technology = gap and related inequities between industrialized and developing = nations are widening. Most developing countries are not sharing = in the communication revolution. A new type of poverty - = information poverty - looms. Information Technology has undoubtedly fuelled the startling = pace of Asia's recent development. Yet, tremendous contrasts = still exist throughout Asia in the extent and depth of IT use. For most Asians, telephone calls are a rare luxury and = computers are unknown. Are the poor destined to be perpetual = bystanders on the information superhighway? Will the next millennium herald an information age which is inhabited by a = minority elite only or will the poor majority be allowed to = share equally in the benefits of a wired society? Topics The IFIP 9.4 Asian Regional Conference addresses these questions. Contributions are sought, but are not limited to, the following = topics Policy =B7 national IT policy endeavours =B7 diffusion of IT - barriers and facilitators =B7 electronic government and information equality =B7 policy-making processes and information provision = Technology =B7 IT for small and medium sized enterprises in developing countries =B7 rural and remote access to the Internet =B7 IT infrastructures in developing countries =B7 appropriate technology for information equality =B7 technology transfer = Economy =B7 micro-economy and IT for development =B7 new opportunities for employment with IT =B7 IT and income inequalities =B7 aid funding for IT in development =B7 IT, globalisation and development = Culture =B7 IT and cultural preservation =B7 IT and gender issues for development =B7 First World communities and IT =B7 cross-cultural comparisons = Education =B7 IT and education for the masses =B7 Institutional capacity building =B7 IT for distance learning and poverty alleviation = Welfare =B7 social justice through information access communications = and social equality =B7 information equality =B7 electronic government and information equality =B7 NGOs and IT in development = Health =B7 health and welfare telematics = Environment =B7 environmental protection and IT For more information please check the web page at: -- = Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 The merit of Whatever Scientific Quarterly is its uselessness-m/tic * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Thu Feb 4 04:23:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id EAA27906; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 04:22:16 GMT Received: from green.glocom.ac.jp (green.glocom.ac.jp [210.160.32.2]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA27901 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 04:22:13 GMT Received: from dyn042.glocom.ac.jp (dyn042.glocom.ac.jp [210.160.33.42]) by green.glocom.ac.jp (NTMail 3.03.0017/4c.aelt) with ESMTP id sa334300 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:22:02 +0900 X-Sender: ajp@popper.glocom.ac.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 2.1.4-J Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:21:11 +0900 To: apple@apnic.net From: ajp@glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Subject: RE: Paying for the pacific links Cc: "Barry Raveendran Greene" Message-Id: <04220290606726@glocom.ac.jp> Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk APEC will hold a seminar International Charging Arrangements for Internet Services at the APEC Telecoms meeting in Miyazaki, Japan, March 8-9, 1999. Terms of Reference for an APEC study on international charging and Internet, "Compatible and sustainable international charging arrangements for Internet services" can be found at URL In a Newsbytes article today, Martyn Williams reports that Japan Telecom is "considering joining Asian carriers in protesting the high cost of connecting to the US Internet backbone". URL Adam At 8:01 AM 99.1.29, Barry Raveendran Greene wrote: > Hello Robert, > > This specific step by Asia and Pacific Telcos is not about the "revamping > the PSTN accounting rates." It's about establishing a win-win baseline. > Right now the economic model of the Internet is based on win-loose. There > are bi-lateral techniques for establishing win-win over trans-oceanic link > without the "settlement" word. > > > The costs of leased lines is tied to traffic balances which is > > very much tied to attempts to revamp the PSTN accounting rate > > scheme - which is done in ITU-T Study Group 3. There is an ITU focus > > group working on this. See > > > > http://www.itu.int/itudoc/itu-t/com3/focus_e_78460.html > > > > In SG3 there is specifically a "Rapporteur group on International > > network cost components for the Internet" which met in Sydney last > > September. > > The URL to the APEC Tel's Task Force on this topic is at: > > http://www.apii.or.kr/ > > A archive of related papers, articles, and presentations from over the years > is at: > > http://www.apia.org/economics/ > > > Barry > > > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Thu Feb 4 16:39:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA05476; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:37:03 GMT Received: from svc00.apnic.net (svc00.apnic.net [202.12.28.131]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA05466 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:37:00 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by svc00.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13271 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:36:48 GMT Received: from bgreene-pc.cisco.com (par-async5.cisco.com [144.254.77.16]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id IAA05715; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:33:36 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Barry Raveendran Greene" To: "Adam Peake" , Subject: RE: Paying for the pacific links Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:31:21 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01be505b$cc425da0$104dfe90@bgreene-pc.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <04220290606726@glocom.ac.jp> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Everyone, > APEC will hold a seminar > International Charging Arrangements for Internet Services > at the APEC Telecoms meeting in Miyazaki, Japan, March 8-9, 1999. > Terms of Reference for an APEC study on international charging > and Internet, "Compatible and sustainable international charging > arrangements for Internet services" can be found at URL > > This seminar is not an "open" seminar. You need to come to APEC Tel as one of the delegations - preregistered. That means coming with your national delegation (call you local telecommunications regulator) or through the PECC delegation (contact your local PECC committee). I've been told be all parties that attendance is not a problem - you just need to pre-register through proper channels. The only problem would be a limit on the maximum number of people at the APEC Tel meeting. Barry * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Thu Feb 4 18:33:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id SAA12858; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:31:19 GMT Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (zinc.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.31]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA12851 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:31:15 GMT Received: from laina (qtas2313.singnet.com.sg [165.21.54.143]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA04030 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 02:31:09 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 99 12:35:58 From: Laina Raveendran Greene Subject: FW: Req. for comments: New Telco Policy URGENT To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk From: Mulugu Srinivasarao Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 6:59 AM Subject: Req. for comments: New Telco Policy URGENT Hello everyone, The Indian government is soliciting comments from thepublic on the New Telecom Policy before the 7th of Feb. There are individuals in the government who are willing to mend the policies in a way that benefits the country as a whole. However, they need the help and support of the public to backup their case and use public's inputs to counter some of the lobbying by self-interest groups. It is an opportunity for all of us to lead the telecom sector out of the current morass it is in. I would urge you to please take some time and review the draft of the telecom policy and provide your inputs. Srinivas PS: Forwarding you a message I have received on the matter. Please feel free to distribute this message to anyone who is interested. ------------------------------------- Don't forget to come to APRICOT'99 For more details check- www.apng.org/apricot99 Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@getit.org url: www.getit.org Date: 04/02/99 Time: 12:35:59 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Thu Feb 4 18:43:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id SAA13271; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:41:44 GMT Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (zinc.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.31]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA13265 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:41:41 GMT Received: from laina (qtas2313.singnet.com.sg [165.21.54.143]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA04085; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 02:31:37 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 99 12:39:57 From: Laina Raveendran Greene Subject: FW: Press Release: ICANN Announces Public Outreach Effort To: apple@apnic.net, sg-infotel@external.cisco.com X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk --- On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:21:18 -0800 (PST) Internet Assigned Numbers Authority wrote: THE INTERNET CORPORATION FOR ASSIGNED NAMES AND NUMBERS For Immediate Release February 3, 1999 ICANN Announces International Education and Public Outreach Support in Collaboration with Alexander Ogilvy Los Angeles, Calif. - The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) announced today that Alexander Ogilvy and its parent company Ogilvy Public Relations Worldwide will provide support for its international education and public outreach programs. The firms' offices in major cities worldwide will assist the new organization through a structured program of event support, educational materials and media coordination. Esther Dyson, Interim Chairman of the ICANN Board, said "We're looking forward to the ability to use the well-known strengths of Alexander Ogilvy in our programs to reach and hear from the diverse constituencies of ICANN. Together, we can advance the goals of our new organization in fostering strong and stable growth of the Internet around the world." Routine press inquiries will now be handled through the Alexander Ogilvy/Ogilvy contacts listed below. Members of the ICANN Board and staff will continue to make themselves available for interviews concerning ICANN programs. About ICANN: The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) is a new, non-profit, international corporation formed to oversee a select number of the Internet's core technical management functions. Between now and September 2000, ICANN will take over responsibility for coordinating domain name system management, IP address space allocation, protocol parameter assignment, and root server system management, a privatization called for the in U.S. Government's White Paper on the Management of the Internet Domain Name System. In the past, many of these functions have been handled by the U.S. government, or by its contractors and volunteers. This informal structure represented the spirit and culture of the research community in which the Internet developed. However, the growing size and international importance of the Internet has necessitated the creation of a technical management body that is both more formalized in structure, and more fully reflective of the geographic diversity of the Internet community. ICANN is a non-profit corporation with an international board of directors. Its initial board is led by interim chairman Esther Dyson, and has members drawn from several nations. This initial board is completing ICANN's by-laws and procedures and working to pave the way for a smooth and stable transition to private sector management of technical management functions. The day-to-day management of ICANN is led by its interim President and CEO, Mike Roberts. The initial board members will be succeeded by board members elected by four different constituency groups, collectively representing a broad range of the Internet's technical and user communities around the globe. About Alexander Ogilvy: See www.alexanderogilvy.com. About Ogilvy PR: See www.ogilvypr.com. Contact info: Sean Garrett Director of Technology Policy Communications Alexander Ogilvy Public Relations Worldwide 415-923-1660, 170 sgarrett@alexanderogilvy.com Molly Shaffer Van Houweling ICANN 650-965-0410 msvh@icann.org Europe: Patrick Worms Vice President, Technology Communications Ogilvy Public Relations Worldwide, Brussels (+32-2) 545 6609 patrick.worms@ogilvy.be Asia: Patricia Ratulangi Senior Associate, Technology Practice Ogilvy Public Relations Worldwide, Singapore Tel 65 2779563 patricia.ratulangi@ogilvy.com -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Don't forget to come to APRICOT'99 For more details check- www.apng.org/apricot99 Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@getit.org url: www.getit.org Date: 04/02/99 Time: 12:39:57 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Thu Feb 4 20:13:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id UAA16431; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:11:26 GMT Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA16425 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:11:23 GMT Received: from syr.edu (syru182-104.syr.edu [128.230.182.104]) by syr.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17151; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:07:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36B9FEE2.44A943EC@syr.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 15:11:14 -0500 From: Milton Mueller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Peake , apple Subject: Re: Paying for the pacific links References: <04220290606726@glocom.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to be able to support Asian countries in this. But in fact, this is just a trade issue and some political posturing. Nothing more, nothing less. I do not support American firms or the US government when it complains about trade deficits with Japan and China. US merchandise trade deficits are produced primarily by the fact that imported products are cheaper and/or better. Yes, there are some trade barriers, but they exist on both sides. Likewise, I cannot generate any sympathy for Asian carriers who must buy Internet access via the US. They pay for both half-circuits because access via the US is better and cheaper than what they can get regionally. The fact that circuit costs were shared in the old, circuit-switched, national monopoly days is irrelevant. So the US has a trade surplus in Internet service. It has deficits in many other areas. That's called "comparative advantage" and its economic benefits were worked out by Ricardo about 250 years ago. Companies and governments on the short end of the stick have been complaining about it for just as long, of course, and will continue to do so. But no one should have any illusions about what the real issue is. --MM Adam Peake wrote: > APEC will hold a seminar > International Charging Arrangements for Internet Services > at the APEC Telecoms meeting in Miyazaki, Japan, March 8-9, 1999. > Terms of Reference for an APEC study on international charging > and Internet, "Compatible and sustainable international charging > arrangements for Internet services" can be found at URL > > > In a Newsbytes article today, Martyn Williams reports that Japan > Telecom is "considering joining Asian carriers in protesting the > high cost of connecting to the US Internet backbone". URL > > > Adam > > At 8:01 AM 99.1.29, Barry Raveendran Greene wrote: > > Hello Robert, > > > > This specific step by Asia and Pacific Telcos is not about the "revamping > > the PSTN accounting rates." It's about establishing a win-win baseline. > > Right now the economic model of the Internet is based on win-loose. There > > are bi-lateral techniques for establishing win-win over trans-oceanic link > > without the "settlement" word. > > > > > The costs of leased lines is tied to traffic balances which is > > > very much tied to attempts to revamp the PSTN accounting rate > > > scheme - which is done in ITU-T Study Group 3. There is an ITU focus > > > group working on this. See > > > > > > http://www.itu.int/itudoc/itu-t/com3/focus_e_78460.html > > > > > > In SG3 there is specifically a "Rapporteur group on International > > > network cost components for the Internet" which met in Sydney last > > > September. > > > > The URL to the APEC Tel's Task Force on this topic is at: > > > > http://www.apii.or.kr/ > > > > A archive of related papers, articles, and presentations from over the years > > is at: > > > > http://www.apia.org/economics/ > > > > > > Barry > > > > > > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * > > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Thu Feb 4 21:52:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id VAA20366; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 21:50:44 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA20361 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 21:50:41 GMT Received: from laina (sj-dial-1-122.cisco.com [171.68.180.123]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id NAA23699; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:47:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 99 05:36:41 From: Laina Raveendran Greene Subject: Re: Paying for the pacific links To: Adam Peake , apple , Milton Mueller X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Milton, Yes, you are right to some extent in the issue of regional bandwidth costs, But there are other sides to the picture, and where there is a case for peering (with comparative benefits for both sides- as with Japan etc), the historical accident of cost sharing (which was based on content being in the US) is still applied by the US carriers. Yet, these very same carriers are actively promoting Internet telephony, where they use the bandwidth of the other side to sell international voice. This I think you will agree is not sustainable in the long run and is certainly not a compartitive advantage issue. The issue has been raised in APEC not as a trade issue but as a raising awareness and studying the issue in detail, to create a more sustainable model for Internet bandwidth growth. The Internet has become a key infrastrucure for E-commerce, and APEC countries are encouraging multimedia applictions on it, yet the current model is not sustainable, since just one side pays for its growth- surely you will see how this must change and why the issue is pertinent. While some (Telstra's efforts in FCC and recent press releases) may chose to phrase the issue as a US versus Asia issue, more to get publicity, the issue is really deeper than that its problems are seen even within the US continent, where peering or non-peering arrangements are based on unsustainable models for the long haul. Regards, Laina RG --- On Thu, 04 Feb 1999 15:11:14 -0500 Milton Mueller wrote: I would like to be able to support Asian countries in this. But in fact, this is just a trade issue and some political posturing. Nothing more, nothing less. I do not support American firms or the US government when it complains about trade deficits with Japan and China. US merchandise trade deficits are produced primarily by the fact that imported products are cheaper and/or better. Yes, there are some trade barriers, but they exist on both sides. Likewise, I cannot generate any sympathy for Asian carriers who must buy Internet access via the US. They pay for both half-circuits because access via the US is better and cheaper than what they can get regionally. The fact that circuit costs were shared in the old, circuit-switched, national monopoly days is irrelevant. So the US has a trade surplus in Internet service. It has deficits in many other areas. That's called "comparative advantage" and its economic benefits were worked out by Ricardo about 250 years ago. Companies and governments on the short end of the stick have been complaining about it for just as long, of course, and will continue to do so. But no one should have any illusions about what the real issue is. --MM Adam Peake wrote: > APEC will hold a seminar > International Charging Arrangements for Internet Services > at the APEC Telecoms meeting in Miyazaki, Japan, March 8-9, 1999. > Terms of Reference for an APEC study on international charging > and Internet, "Compatible and sustainable international charging > arrangements for Internet services" can be found at URL > > > In a Newsbytes article today, Martyn Williams reports that Japan > Telecom is "considering joining Asian carriers in protesting the > high cost of connecting to the US Internet backbone". URL > > > Adam > > At 8:01 AM 99.1.29, Barry Raveendran Greene wrote: > > Hello Robert, > > > > This specific step by Asia and Pacific Telcos is not about the "revamping > > the PSTN accounting rates." It's about establishing a win-win baseline. > > Right now the economic model of the Internet is based on win-loose. There > > are bi-lateral techniques for establishing win-win over trans-oceanic link > > without the "settlement" word. > > > > > The costs of leased lines is tied to traffic balances which is > > > very much tied to attempts to revamp the PSTN accounting rate > > > scheme - which is done in ITU-T Study Group 3. There is an ITU focus > > > group working on this. See > > > > > > http://www.itu.int/itudoc/itu-t/com3/focus_e_78460.html > > > > > > In SG3 there is specifically a "Rapporteur group on International > > > network cost components for the Internet" which met in Sydney last > > > September. > > > > The URL to the APEC Tel's Task Force on this topic is at: > > > > http://www.apii.or.kr/ > > > > A archive of related papers, articles, and presentations from over the years > > is at: > > > > http://www.apia.org/economics/ > > > > > > Barry > > > > > > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * > > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Don't forget to come to APRICOT'99 For more details check- www.apng.org/apricot99 Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@getit.org url: www.getit.org Date: 05/02/99 Time: 05:36:41 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Thu Feb 4 22:10:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id WAA21010; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 22:08:56 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA21003 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 22:08:45 GMT Received: from laina (sj-dial-1-122.cisco.com [171.68.180.123]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id OAA06876 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:01:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 99 05:56:38 From: Laina Raveendran Greene Subject: FW: Time Sensitive: Support To: apple@apnic.net X-Chameleon-Return-To: laina@singnet.com.sg X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="laina:918165437:690:-190835:26500" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk --laina:918165437:690:-190835:26500 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please review and send in your comments. --- On Thu, 04 Feb 1999 16:37:53 -0500 "Andrew Q. Kraft, MAIP, Executive Director" wrote: Hello everyone. I am writing you to request your review and support of the AIP/ORSC/CENTR merged draft for the creation of a DNSO. We labored hard to put together a "compromise" draft between the work culminating in the Paris draft and the work put together through the combination of the DNSO.org and INTA processes. This draft was created on open lists and includes the input of the community-at-large, as well. It is our hope that this middle-of-the-road draft will act as a starting place for a compromise between both sides of this debate after the ICANN-imposed February 5th deadline. In order to encourage that compromise, we need your support for this draft and the opening letter supporting it. I have been in contact with most of you over the course of the past few weeks, and those of you who have submitted your ideas and comments on the public lists have had those ideas incorporated into what you see before you. Time is short, however. We do need to submit this draft by tomorrow (Friday). I apologize for this late email, but this draft was only finalized today after much discussion on the AIP and ORSC discussion lists, which is where most of this was drafted. I encourage you to please give your support for this OPEN process moving forward. Please Note: This does not prevent you from supporting other drafts, as well. Several organizations are supporting multiple drafts in the hopes that ICANN will facilitate a compromise between the drafts either before or at the Singapore meeting. The attached proposal is in both Word and HTML format. Sincerely, Andrew Kraft -- Andrew Q. Kraft, MAIP Executive Director, Association of Internet Professionals (AIP) Email: akraft@association.org Phone: 310-724-6589 More Info: http://www.association.org/ -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Don't forget to come to APRICOT'99 For more details check- www.apng.org/apricot99 Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@getit.org url: www.getit.org Date: 05/02/99 Time: 05:56:38 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- --laina:918165437:690:-190835:26500 Content-Type: APPLICATION/MSWORD; NAME="Merged.doc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 0M8R4KGxGuEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPgADAP7/CQAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACAAAAkQAAAAAA AAAAEAAAkwAAAAEAAAD+////AAAAAI8AAACQAAAA//////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// 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APPLICATION FOR THE= FORMATION OF THE DOMAIN NAME SUPPORTING ORGANISATION

(DRAFT VERSION = 0.9)

= February 5,1999

Attention: Esther Dyson, Michale Roberts, Ger= aldine Capdeboscq, George Conrades, Greg Crew, Frank Fitzsimmons, Hans Kr= aaijenbrink, Jun Murai, Eugenio Triana, Linda S. Wilson

To the ICANN Board of Directors:

The undersigned groups, companies, and individuals (the "Applicants") = are pleased to submit this application to the Internet Corporation for A= ssigned Names and Numbers ("ICANN") to form the Domain Names Supporting = Organization ("DNSO").

Our Philosophy

After considering the principles in the Unite= d States Government's June 5, 1998 Statement of Policy (the "White Paper"= ) and the strictures of the Memorandum of Understanding Between the U.S. = Dept. of Commerce and ICANN (the "DOC MOU"), the Applicants believe that = the Supporting Organization described by this Application and the attache= d DNSO Bylaws meets the requirements of ICANN and the United States Gover= nment by providing an open, transparent and bottom-up supporting organiza= tion that fairly reflects the global and functional diversity of Internet= users and their needs.

The Applicants have approached the creation of a Supporting Organizati= on with the twin goals of providing ICANN with substantive expertise on t= echnical and policy issues while also providing an opportunity for bottom= -up contribution and comment from the many interests, both dynamic and di= verse, regional and functional, that comprise the growing Internet commun= ity.

The Applicants actively participated in the dialogue on the creation o= f the DNSO and regret that they were unable to reach a consensus with eit= her of the known groups that are submitting drafts. The Applicants believ= e that one draft is not sufficiently "bottom up" in management = style to meet the requirements of the White Paper, and the other provides= overly restrictive veto power of policy recommendations to one constitue= ncy. This proposal is a true compromise.

The best reflection of the Applicants' approach to the creation of the= DNSO is the Bylaws, which are included with this Application. These Byla= ws reflect a fully formed conception how this DNSO will gather and synthe= size suggestions and criticisms from the worldwide Internet community and= how it will form these into policy recommendations. These Bylaws have th= e appropriate structure, policy recommendation process, and open and tran= sparent mechanisms to serve ICANN well in its supporting role.

The Proposed DNSO Structure

The Applicants' proposed DNSO is managed by a= diverse group of individuals from constituencies that fairly reflect the= technical, professional and individual interests in the policy of the Do= main Names System ("DNS"). These internationally diverse individuals will= form the Names Council contemplated by the ICANN Bylaws and will come fr= om a broad group of constituencies, including registries, registries, tra= demark Interests, public Interest organizations, internet service provide= rs ("ISPs"), and other interests. The Names Council will be managers of a= bottom-up policy recommendation process that will take place in the DNSO= 's General Assembly.

While the Names Council provides equal, balanced representation from = functional areas and DNS interest groups, the General Assembly will allow= s all of these interests, and others that may develop over time, to have = an open and public discussion on DNS policy. It allows debate to cross co= nstituency lines and forge consensus from disparate voices representing d= ifferent industries and interests.

The open nature of the General Assembly allows the Names Council to ob= serve distinctions between majority and minority voices and to more accur= ately gauge support for proposed policies. The Applicants also believe th= at an open forum will provides a fertile environment for fostering creati= ve solutions and innovative policy recommendations from the diverse Inter= net community. These are voices that might otherwise be lost in a pure, c= onstituency-based equal representation system. Membership in the General = Assembly will be open to anyone who wishes to join.

As noted below, the General Assembly model en= sures that the policy recommendation process meets both the White Paper'= s requirement that policymaking "reflect the bottom-up governance style = that has characterized development of the Internet to date" (White Paper,= "Principles for a New System") and the DOC MOU's requirement that ICANN'= s private coordinating process "reflects a system of bottom-up management= =2E" (DOC MOU, Section II.C., "The Principles.") Indeed, this bottom-up p= olicy recommendation process is at the heart of the Applicants' proposal.=

The Policy Recommendation Process

Whether requested by ICANN or acting upon its= own initiative, the DNSO Names Council or 5% of the General Assembly can= initiate the policy review process that is described in detail in Sectio= n 5 of the attached Bylaws. This process begins with the creation of a Re= search Committee, balanced in its composition, and ends with a Report and= Recommendation that represents the considered and researched opinion of = the DNSO.

After the Research Committee is formed, its initial task is the formul= ation of an Issue Statement that fairly frames the issue on which a polic= y recommendation is requested. The General Assembly then provides its tho= ughts, proposals, and suggested solutions in a public forum. The Research= Committee will distill the comments from the General Assembly into a dra= ft report that will be published for open comments and public hearings. T= his review process continues through two more iterations, each time refin= ing its policy recommendation and moving closer to consensus.

When a Research Committee has completed its Report Recommendation, it = is forwarded to the Names Council, where it is accepted, rejected, or ret= urned to the committee. Reports and Recommendations are approved and forw= arded to the ICANN Board upon a two-thirds vote of the Names Council. If= approved, the Names Council will forward a detailed, well-researched, im= plementable policy recommendation to the ICANN Board.

Meeting the Principles of ICANN

=

In crafting this DNSO model, the Applicants have been sensitive to the= strictures of ICANN's agreements with the U.S. Government (the DOC MOU) = and the principles embodied in the White Paper. Specifically, both docume= nts state that the following are guiding principles for ICANN: (a) Stabil= ity, (b) Competition, (c) Private, Bottom-up Coordination, and (d) Repres= entation.

* Stability. Uncertain or changing DNS policy or inadequate implement= ation of that policy will lead to instability on the Internet. To ensure= that policy is certain and implementation is possible and effective, the= Applicants have taken a number of steps. First, seats on the Names Counc= il are guaranteed for persons in those industries responsible for impleme= nting DNS policy (including Registries, Registrars, and Internet Service = Providers). Second, procedures are available to individuals and compani= es that believe a draft policy recommendation is counter to the interests= of the Internet or not possible to implement. The Applicants' also belie= ve that new policy recommendations should be made deliberately and though= tfully through the Research Committee process, as hastily considered sugg= estions may have a destabilizing effect if reversed or modified after imp= lementation.

* Competition. The Applicants' proposal provides all interests an opp= ortunity to impact the development of DNS policy equally. It neither prov= ides a boost to emerging competitors nor allows established companies to = become entrenched and immune from market forces. No single company or ind= ustry has a veto over policy that is otherwise supported and in the best = interests of the DNS.

* Private, Bottom-up Coordination. The General Assembly assures that = no opinion will be missed and that no voice will be filtered through a r= epresentative or industry trade group. A hallmark of the internet has bee= n its amazing ability to allow anyone to impact policy development throug= h grass roots activism. The Applicants have exploited this new medium and= honed this grass roots activism through the creation of the General Asse= mbly. Professional interests and industry expertise are guaranteed throug= h the Research Committees, but the Applicants believe that the truly nove= l, creative solutions will come through the General Assembly.

* Representation. The Applicants' proposal provides a balanced Names = Council from ten important constituencies with an interest in DNS policy,= and the General Assembly provides an open forum for all to discuss their= concerns, without regard to constituencies or professional affiliations.= The General Assembly also ensures that the voices in the policy recomme= ndation process mirror the voices on the internet itself. They will be gl= obal and functionally diverse.

* * * * * *

What the Applicants below present is a DNSO f= or everyone. For those established interest groups that have invested in = the Internet and have a clear monetary stake in the outcome of DNS policy= , this model provides a place for them to make their views known and have= a voice in DNS policy. For those individuals and companies impacted by = DNS policy and who care about its development, there is a place for them = as well. And for those gestating and as yet unknown entities that will ha= ve a stake in the Internet's bright future, there is a place for them to = speak and perhaps coalesce into new constituencies, representing new, pre= viously unheard voices.

This is a DNSO that no one will own and that cannot be captured by any= special interest group. It is a DNSO that will provide expertise and tho= ughtful policy recommendations and in which ICANN can place its trust, as= sured that DNSO Reports and Recommendations meet high technical standards= while also enjoying broad support from the Internet Community. It is fle= xible and responsive. It is a DNSO that can meet the changing needs of bo= th ICANN and the Internet community.

The Applicants submit this application confident that the bottom-up pr= ocesses that have served the Internet to date will continue to serve ICAN= N well and are appropriate, and in fact required, for the DNSO.

We thank the Board for its consideration.

Respectfully submitted,

Association of Internet Professionals

Open Root Server Confederation

=85.OTHER SUPPORTERS=85

 

 

1.0 INTRODUCTION

The name of this supporting organization shall be "The Domain Name Sup= porting Organization" (hereafter, "DNSO"). It shall be established by re= solution of the Board of Directors of ICANN and shall become a functionin= g part of ICANN. These Rules provide guidance for the operation and manag= ement of the DNSO.

The DNSO is a consensus based= policy advisory body within the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names = and Numbers ("ICANN"). The DNSO structure is based on a General Assembly,= and a Names Council with a set of constituencies. The objectives for DNS= O are as defined in article VI of the ICANN bylaws; that is, to develop a= nd recommend substantive policies and procedures regarding TLDs, includin= g operation, assignment and management of the domain name system and othe= r related subjects.

The proposed DNSO will not be a legal entity in its own right, but wil= l be a component of the ICANN Corporation. It will be an advisory body ra= ther than a decision making body, without operational responsibility and = with a minimal budget (which the organizers believe should be funded by I= CANN, but which could be funded through nominal dues to members). The DNS= O shall have no role in funding ICANN.

Entities and individuals may participate in the DNSO work, and they ar= e invited to do so.

2.0 MEMBERSHIP

2.1 Membership.

It is expected that ICANN will have individual and corporate and organ= izational membership. Any ICANN member with expertise or interest in doma= in name issues may join the DNSO General Assembly by submitting a members= hip application.

2.2 The General Assembly.

The General Assembly is an open body of individuals and corporations a= nd organizations with a knowledge of and an interest in issues pertaining= to achievement of DNSO objectives, who are willing to contribute time, e= ffort and expertise in DNSO work items, including discussion of work item= s, work item proposal and development, draft document preparation, partic= ipation in working groups and steering committees. The General Assembly i= s an open, consensus based assembly, process oriented rather than member = oriented. General Assembly conference costs shall be covered by an equita= ble charge on attendees and conferences and meetings shall be held online= whenever possible.

2.3 Constituencies.

The constituencies described herein are an initial set of constituenci= es. Further constituencies may be created, deleted or merged based on Se= ction 3.2 of these bylaws. The constituencies are:

  1. COMMERCIAL AND BUSINESS: entities with Internet interests engaged in = commerce or business, including, but not limited to, organizations of com= mercial and business entities.
  2. NON-COMMERCIAL REGISTRANTS: = Non-commercial groups, bodies and associations, including, but not limite= d to, the following:
    • Associations and groups of u= sers of the Internet
    • Governmental (central, regional and local) users;
    • Hospitals, clinics and other health facilities;
    • Museums, Libraries and other custodians of the cultural heritage.
    • Non-Governmental public sector and public services;
    • Universities, Research Institutes and Schools;
  1. ISP AND CONNECTIVITY PROVIDE= RS: IP network operators and service providers, i.e., entities operating = name servers for clients and offering Internet connectivity to third part= ies.
  2. REGISTRARS: entities that pr= ovide a service to Internet users of registering second level domain nam= es in top level domains (TLDs) (or registering third level domain names i= n the case of TLDs that have established categories of second level domai= ns).
  3. REGISTRIES: entities authori= zed by the Corporation to publish authoritative TLD zones in one or more = generic or country-code TLD zones.
  4. TRADEMARK AND ANTI-COUNTERFE= ITING INTERESTS: entities including, but not limited to trademark owners = and groups of owners, who are interested is the protection of trademarks = or the effort to stop trademark counterfeiting and infringement.
  5. 2.4 The Names Council.

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    The Names Council is the Steering Committee for the DNSO, elected thro= ughout the constituencies from the General Assembly as described below an= d responsible for facilitation, administration and management of consensu= s building for each of the DNSO processes. Consensus based and researche= d and documented DNSO policy and standards proposals shall be forwarded t= o ICANN through Names Council recommendations. The Names Council shall co= nduct its business and hold election for its members in accord with the p= rovisions set forth below.

    2.5 One Vote.

    Each member of the General Assembly shall be entitled to one vote.

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    2.6 Resignations.

    Any member may resign its membership at any time.. Resignation shall t= ake effect immediately unless some other date is specified. The acceptanc= e of a resignation will not be necessary to make it effective.

    3.0 THE NAMES COUNCIL

    3.1 Overview and Purpose.

    The Names Council shall facilitate cooperation and consensus on polici= es regarding the Domain Names System and related subjects, and, in accord= ance with Article VI, Section 3(a)(ii) of the Corporation's Bylaws, the N= ames Council shall forward recommendations on such subjects to the Board = of ICANN. The Names Council shall seek input and review of any proposed r= ecommendations from all Members. The processes of the Names Council shall= be open and transparent and non-discriminatory.

    3.2 Composition.

    The Names Council shall be selected by means of the following process:=

    1. Members of the General Assembly shall self-organize into diverse cons= tituencies. No member shall be a member of more than one constituency.
    2. Additional constituencies beyond those listed in 2.3 above shall be r= ecognized based on the following criteria:
      1. Constituencies other than th= ose denoted in Section 3.3 shall represent at least 5% of the members of = the General Assembly.
      2. Constituencies shall not duplicate a significant portion of membershi= p in any one existing constituency.
      3. Constituencies shall be open to membership without regard to geograph= ic location.
      4. Constituencies shall adopt open and transparent processes that comply= with these Rules and the ICANN Bylaws.
      5. Constituencies shall not be formed or recognized insofar as they are = based on geographic location, religious affiliation, governmental affilia= tion, or membership in any particular corporation or organization.
    1. Each recognized constituency shall select three (3) members to sit on= the Names Council, no two of whom may come from the same region (as defi= ned in the ICANN bylaws).
    2. In the event that the Names Council so selected does not include a me= mber from any particular region, where a region is defined as a continent= , members of the General Assembly resident in such region shall select an= additional Names Council Member from such region.
    3. Following recognition of the initial constituencies, additional quali= fying constituencies shall be recognized by the Names Council. Otherwise,= recognition, deletion and merger of constituency shall be effected by fa= ir procedures established by the Names Council.
    4. Members of the Names Council shall be subject to recall by a two-thir= ds vote of the members of the constituency that selected them.

    3.3. Term of Office of Nam= es Council Members.

    Names Council representatives shall be elected by their constituencies= and terms of office shall be staggered for continuity. The term of offi= ce shall normally be of three years.

    One-third of the membership of the initial Names Council must retire a= fter one year in office, and another one-third of the membership after a = second year. The rotation of members selected by particular constituencie= s shall be determined by the number of votes received. The person receivi= ng the most votes shall be elected to fulfill the three-year term, the pe= rson receiving the next highest number of votes shall be elected to fulfi= ll the two-year term, and the person receiving the third highest number o= f votes shall be elected to fulfill the one-year term.

    3.4 Chair of the Names Council.

    The Names Council chair will be selected by the Names Council at or be= fore the first meeting in each year after a Names Council election; when = selected the chair would lose his or her personal vote in the Names Counc= il To ensure fair voting, Names Council chair would only have a casting (= tie-breaking) vote. The Chair of the Names Council shall act as the Chair= of the General Assembly.

    3.5 Conduct of Business.

    The Names Council shall meet regularly on a schedule determined by its= members, but not less than 4 times per year. Unless otherwise provided, = a majority vote of the members attending a Names Council meeting at which= a quorum (consisting of two thirds of the Name Council Members) is prese= nt or otherwise enabled to vote shall be sufficient for the conduct of it= s business.

    3.6 Meeting Forums.

    At least once a year, the Names Council shall meet in person at a loca= tion agreed by its members. All other meetings of the Names Council may t= ake place in person, by telephone, video, internet, any other efficient f= orm of electronic conferencing, or by a combination of the aforementioned= modes of communication.

    3.7 Meeting Minutes.

    At each meeting, the members of the Names Council shall appoint a scri= be to take notes and prepare minutes of the meeting. Subject to the prov= isions of Paragraph 3.9 below, the Names Council shall post minutes of it= s meeting to the DNSO web site within 2 business days after the meeting h= as concluded.

    3.8 Open Meetings.

    Subject to the provisions of Paragraph 3.9 below, all meetings of the = Names Council shall be open to all DNSO members. Members will be welcome = to observe in-person meetings and, to the extent technically and financia= lly practicable, listen to all other meetings.

    3.9 Names Council - Voting on Record

    The Names Council shall record in its minutes the position and express= ed views of every Names Council member on every Names Council action.

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    3.10 Executive Sessions of Names Council.

    When necessary and appropriate to protect the confidentiality of any m= atter before it, the Names Council can elect to hold an Executive Session= , which shall be closed to all persons other than Names Council represent= atives. By way of example and not by way of limitation, it may be approp= riate for the Names Council to hold Executive Sessions to discuss personn= el matters. In any such case, the general subject matter of such a closed= session, and the rationale for holding the discussion in private, shall = be disclosed.

    3.11 Names Council Meeting Attendance Requirement.

    In order to ensure a continuously active Names Council, elected member= s who miss either (a) three consecutive Names Council meetings or (b) mor= e than 25% of the meetings in any single year, shall be dropped from the = Names Council in the absence of extenuating circumstances. In the event t= hat a member is dropped, the constituency shall choose a new representati= ve.

    3.12 Conduct of Names Council Meetings.

    Robert's Rules of Order (Revised), or for electronic meetings such sim= ilar rules as shall be selected by the Names Council, shall govern the co= nduct of Names Council meetings..

    4.0 NOMINATION AND ELECTION OF ICANN BOARD MEMBERS

    4.1 Elections Committee.

    The Names Council shall appoint an Elections Committee each year, whic= h shall consist of a Chair and four or more members of the General Assemb= ly, not more than half of whom may be sitting members of the Names Counci= l. The Elections Committee shall oversee the election of the DNSO's repre= sentatives on the ICANN Board of Directors and provide such other assista= nce as requested by the President.

    4.2 Nomination by Petition.

    The Elections Committee Chair shall call for nominations by petition f= or the ICANN Director positions from the General Assembly in an e-mail to= all members and in an announcement posted on the DNSO web site. The anno= uncement will include procedures for nominations by petition and will be = made at least 30 days prior to the mailing or distribution of ballots. A = petition nominating a DNSO member meeting the eligibility requirements an= d supported by the identifiable signatures of at least 50 members of the = General Assembly shall automatically place that member's name on the slat= e of nominees, provided such petition is received by the Elections Commit= tee Chair within 30 days after the call for nominations. Such petitions = must be submitted with the knowledge and agreement of the nominee.

    4.3 Election Procedures

    In the case that more candidates are proposed than there are vacancies= for DNSO nominations to the Board, the positions will be filled using a = method such as single transferable voting as selected by the Names Counci= l. The DNSO nominees to the ICANN Board will have staggered terms of off= ice to ensure continuity. Election to the staggered terms shall follow th= e method set forth in Section 4.6 below.

    4.4 Eligibility.

    Any member of the General Assembly in good standing, not serving as a = member of the Names Council or the Elections Committee and not otherwise = disqualified, is eligible for election to the ICANN Board of Directors.

    4.5 Ballots and Voting.

    The Elections Committee Chair shall provide the names of the nominees,= biographical overviews, and individual position statements for preparati= on, mailing, and tallying of ballots to all members of the General Assemb= ly. The Elections Committee shall use whatever means it deems appropriate= and accurate to distribute, collect and tally ballots.

    4.6 Election.

    The candidate(s) receiving the highest number of votes shall be electe= d to fill the DNSO seats on ICANN's Board of Directors. For the initial = election, the person receiving the most votes shall be elected to fulfill= the three-year term, the person receiving the next highest number of vot= es shall be elected to fulfill the two-year term, and the person receivin= g the third highest number of votes shall be elected to fulfill the one-y= ear term.

    4.7 Notification of Election Results.

    Immediately upon receiving the election results, the Elections Committ= ee Chair shall notify all candidates, the DNSO's Officers, Names Council = members, the membership of the DNSO, and the Chair of ICANN's Board of Di= rectors.

    4.8 Removal of Board Members.

    If, in the opinion of the Names Council, a member of the ICANN Board e= lected by the DNSO is no longer capable of fulfilling his or her responsi= bilities, or is no longer operating in the best interest of the DNSO, the= Names Council may, by 2/3 vote, call a Special Referendum of the Members= hip asking for removal of that Board member. Such a Special Referendum ma= y also be called by means of a petition signed by at least 25% of the mem= bers of the General Assembly. If 2/3rds of the General Assembly votes cas= t favor removal, and that a quorum of at least ten percent of the members= hip of the General Assembly have voted, the Board Member will then be rem= oved.

    In the event of removal of one or more DNSO elected members of the ICA= NN Board, the Names Council will appoint one or more members (who is/are = not also currently serving on the Names Council), as a temporary measure.= A 2/3 vote of the Names Council shall be necessary for such appointment.= The Names Council will then immediately seek nominations from the Genera= l Assembly or a replacement to serve out the remainder of the removed Boa= rd member's term. No Board member who has been removed will be eligible f= or nomination. A Special Election of the Membership shall be held as soon= as practicable from the nominees submitted to the Names Council.

    5.0 RESEARCH PROCESS

    5.1 Reports and Recommendations.

    When requested by ICANN or upon its own initiative, the DNSO, through = the Names Council, shall submit to ICANN a Report and Recommendation whic= h shall contain the policy recommendations of the DNSO. The process for i= nitiating consideration of a specific issue may be begun at the request o= f any three members of the Names Council or by means of a petition signed= by at least 5% of the members of the General Assembly. Reports and Recom= mendations made by the DNSO to ICANN shall be made by the process set for= th in this Section 5.

    5.2 Research Committees.

    For each matter upon which the DNSO begins consideration with respect = to a recommendation to ICANN, there shall be a Research Committee which w= ill consider the relevant issues, research the ramifications of particula= r actions or inaction, review the comments and criticisms received by int= erested individuals and experts, hold hearings on the issues before it (u= nless there is a consensus among the members of the Research Committee th= at such hearings are not necessary), attempt to reach consensus on the co= rrect resolution of the issue, and draft and revise any Report and Recomm= endation.

    5.3 Composition of Research Committees.

    Each Research Committee shall be composed of General Assembly members = including at least two members of the Names Council not from the same con= stituency and members of the General Assembly. In selecting members of a = Research Committee, the Names Council shall be guided by the need to ensu= re regional diversity and the desire for professional and business experi= ence, technical expertise, and insights from affected parties on the matt= ers presented.

    5.4 Expansion of Research = Committee Membership.

    If, at any time, the members of any Research Committee feel that they = need additional expertise or counsel on the issues before them, they may,= in their discretion and by a majority vote of the committee's members, e= xpand their membership by adding new committee members from the General A= ssembly or from outside the DNSO with the requisite experience or backgro= und.

    5.5 Issue Statement.

    After its members are appointed, each Research Committee shall meet to= discuss the issue(s) with which it has been presented, prepare a timetab= le for the drafting of, and comments and revisions to, the Report and Rec= ommendation, and draft an Issue Statement. The Issue Statement shall fai= rly frame the issue(s) on which the Report and Recommendation shall be ma= de to ICANN, and whenever practicable, provide an overview of various pos= itions and possible outcomes. The Research Committee shall promptly post= its proposed timetable and Issue Statement to the DNSO website and invit= e comments from the General Assembly.

    5.6 Comment Period and Open Meeting.

    The Research Committee shall review all comments submitted in response= to the Issue Statement and shall schedule an Open Meeting of the General= Assembly at which interested persons can make additional statements and = discuss the issues presented with the Research Committee. Notice of the = Open Hearing shall be posted on the DNSO web site at least 30 days in adv= ance, and the Research Committee shall endeavor, to the extent feasible a= nd practicable, to permit participation by telephone or videoconference. = The Research Committee may hold additional Open Meetings, if warranted.

    5.7 First Request for Comments.

    The Research Committee shall review all comments submitted in response= to the Issue Statement and consider the statements made and discussions = held at the Open Hearing and shall draft a Report and Recommendation cont= aining the tentative conclusions of the Research Committee, along with a = detailed statement of reasons why it has reached its tentative conclusion= =2E This draft Report and Recommendation shall be posted to the DNSO web= site in the form of a "First Request for Comments."

    5.8 Fair Hearing Petition.

    If, after the First Request for Comments is published, any person, cor= poration, or organization (the "Petitioner") feels that the proposal outl= ined by the Research Committee places an unfair burden on the Petitioner'= s personal, business or organizational interests, the Petitioner may requ= est a Fair Hearing. Each Petition for a Fair Hearing shall include (i) a = detailed statement of the harm that would be caused if the proposal conta= ined in the Request for Comments was adopted as policy; (ii) a specific r= eference to the language in the Request for Comments that would lead to t= he alleged harm; (iii) a specific proposal for new or modified language t= hat would alleviate or minimize the alleged harm; and (iv) a statement of= the Petitioner's professional or business interests that would be impact= ed in any way by the adoption of its proposed language. The Research Comm= ittee may either adopt the Petitioner's suggested language or hold a Fair= Hearing.

    5.9 Fair Hearing.

    A Fair Hearing required by Section 5.8 shall allow the Research Commit= tee and the Petitioner, its representatives and supporters to discuss and= debate the issues raised in the Fair Hearing Petition. Fair Hearings sha= ll be open to all DNSO members. The purpose of the Fair Hearing shall be = to seek consensus on the issues raised. After a Fair Hearing has been hel= d, the Research Committee shall report on the DNSO web site whether conse= nsus was reached, and if so, what was agreed by those present. Fair Heari= ngs shall be open in the same manner as Names Council meetings.

    5.10 Implementation Preview.

    In addition to filing a Fair Hearing Petition, any member of the Regis= try, Registrar or ISP constituency which may be required to implement a p= roposed policy pursuant to a contract with ICANN may ask, after the First= Request for Comments is issued, that such proposed policy recommendation= undergo an implementation preview from the registries. The Names Council= shall establish an implementation preview process that will determine wh= ether a substantial plurality of those registries which vote to support s= uch implementation or are or will be contractually committed or able to d= o so. Policies that do not meet this criteria may be forwarded to ICANN b= y the DNSO, but only if the Names Council specifically informs the ICANN = Board that the policy has not passed the implementation preview, along wi= th the details of the results. Those participating in the implementation = preview shall collaborate to submit a timely report on their actions and = views, including a record of the vote of each member of the constituency,= to the Names Council, and if necessary, this Report will be forwarded to= the ICANN Board with any proposal which has not passed the implementatio= n preview.

    5:11 Further Review of Changes

    Whenever a proposal has been changed as a result of the preceding proc= esses, any changes resulting from such processes shall be republished on = the DNSO website subject to review under the prior provisions of this sec= tion. If the members of the Research Committee believe that additional i= terations of drafts, requests for comments, and/or public hearings would = be beneficial, they may be added by appropriate notice and posting to the= DNSO website.

    5.12 Report to the Names Council.

    After reviewing all comments submitted in response to a proposal, the = Research Committee shall prepare a Report and Recommendation for the Name= s Council. This Report and Recommendation will be posted promptly to the= DNSO web site.

    5.13 Names Council Action.

    After a Report and Recommendation is submitted to it, the Names Counci= l shall reach a judgment as to whether or not there is a likelihood of co= nsensus in the General Assembly in support of the proposal. In such case= , the Names Council shall submit a Report and Recommendation to the Gene= ral Assembly membership for ratification; if this is done, the Report and= Recommendation shall be forwarded to the Elections Committee Chair, who = shall arrange for a ratification vote. A Report and Recommendation shall = be deemed ratified by the DNSO General Assembly if two-thirds of those c= asting ballots vote in favor of the Report and Recommendation. Each Repor= t and Recommendation ratified by the General Assembly shall be forwarded = by the Names Council to the ICANN Board and shall include the full resear= ch record.

     

    6.0 ACCESS TO INFORMATION

    6.1 Minutes and Reports.

    The DNSO shall publish, at least annually, a report describing its act= ivities. Draft minutes of all DNSO meetings shall be published no later t= han 48 hours. The Names Council at its next regular meeting will formally= approve minutes. All minutes, meetings, materials, and communications of= the DNSO (and any committees thereof) shall be made publicly available i= mmediately following approval by the Names Council.

    6.2 DNSO Web Site.

    The Names Council shall post on the public World Wide Web Site:

    (a) Periodically a calendar of scheduled meetings for the upcoming yea= r and (b) in advance of each DNSO meeting or policy-recommendation procee= ding, a notice of the fact and time that such meeting or proceeding will = be held and, to the extent known an agenda for the meeting. If reasonably= practicable the Names Council shall post notices of special meetings of = the DNSO and of the Names Council at least fourteen (14) days prior to th= e meetings.

    6.3 On-line Participation

    To ensure international and diverse participation, the proceedings of = the DNSO and the Names Council, as well as all Committees of the DNSO, in= cluding voting, shall to the fullest extent possible, be conducted on-lin= e. The DNSO shall establish appropriate mailing lists to directly notify = members of its actions.

    6.4 Preservation of Records

    All records of the DNSO (including, but not limited to, Reports and Re= commendations to ICANN and all drafts of such Reports, minutes from all D= NSO committee meetings and public hearings, comments and proposals receiv= ed from third-parties, and mailing list archives) shall be maintained and= preserved on-line.

    7.0 CONFLICT OF INTEREST

    Any action by the Names Council in which a Names Council member is per= sonally and directly interested, shall be valid, provided (i) the fact of= such interest is previously disclosed or known to the Names Council, and= (ii) the Names Council shall nevertheless authorize, approve and ratify = such action at a meeting of the Names Council by a vote of a majority of = the members present, such interested member or members to be counted in d= etermining whether a quorum is present, but not to be counted in calculat= ing the majority of such quorum necessary to carry such vote.

    8.0 INDEMNIFICATION

    The ICANN shall indemnify all Names Council members and those working = as agents of the DNSO of ICANN for acts within their respective authoriti= es to the full extent permitted by the Not-For-Profit Corporation Law of = the State of California.

    9.0 ADOPTION

    These DNSO Rules shall be adopted by the ICANN as part of its By-laws = and/or board resolutions.

    --laina:918165437:690:-190835:26500-- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Thu Feb 4 22:38:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id WAA22041; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 22:36:52 GMT Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA22036 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 22:36:50 GMT Received: from syr.edu (syru182-104.syr.edu [128.230.182.104]) by syr.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28260 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:32:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36BA20FE.1DFCB429@syr.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 17:36:46 -0500 From: Milton Mueller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: apple Subject: Re: Paying for the pacific links References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting, yes, by thrusting telephony into the Internet equation it does mean that some form of "Internet settlement system" may have to be negotiated to guarantee good service quality. The interesting question is whether this renegotiation will come about via political or economic means. Do you think it is possible for carrier-by-carrier and ISP-by-ISP negotiations to bring about a settlement/peering model that sustains a converged bandwidth world? --MM Laina Raveendran Greene wrote: > Milton, > > Yes, you are right to some extent in the issue of regional > bandwidth costs, But there are other sides to the picture, and > where there is a case for peering (with comparative benefits > for both sides- as with Japan etc), the historical accident of > cost sharing (which was based on content being in the US) is > still applied by the US carriers. Yet, these very same carriers > are actively promoting Internet telephony, where they use the > bandwidth of the other side to sell international voice. This I > think you will agree is not sustainable in the long run and is > certainly not a compartitive advantage issue. > > The issue has been raised in APEC not as a trade issue but as a > raising awareness and studying the issue in detail, to create a > more sustainable model for Internet bandwidth growth. The > Internet has become a key infrastrucure for E-commerce, and > APEC countries are encouraging multimedia applictions on it, > yet the current model is not sustainable, since just one side > pays for its growth- surely you will see how this must change > and why the issue is pertinent. > > While some (Telstra's efforts in FCC and recent press releases) > may chose to phrase the issue as a US versus Asia issue, more > to get publicity, the issue is really deeper than that its > problems are seen even within the US continent, where peering > or non-peering arrangements are based on unsustainable models > for the long haul. > > Regards, > Laina RG > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Thu Feb 4 23:58:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id XAA25425; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 23:53:54 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA25417 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 23:53:51 GMT Received: from laina (sj-dial-1-95.cisco.com [171.68.180.96]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id PAA22326 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:50:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 99 07:41:44 From: Laina Raveendran Greene Subject: Re: Paying for the pacific links To: apple X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Yes, provided "settlement" is not equated with the baggage of the ITU world (so I've heared opponents of this issue say). We need to move into new models, and this exercise is about bringing out the various issues. I do not think anyone expects the governmetns to solve it for them, but by bringing it up to this level has given more ISPs in this region a better awareness of the isseus and more bargaining position with their governments behind them. Already we are seeing creative marketing responses from other carriers in their pricing schemes and negotiating terms to meet with this "customer demand". I think this alone will bring value to this exercise, more than what is actually done within APEC. (Another good case example is how connect.com used Netflow to map out traffic data and applications usage to renegotiate with telstra on connectivity terms. So you can see, it does not just impact asia versus US.) This issue will also force open issues on how bandwidth is priced and competition (or lack thereof) issues relating to consortium provisioning of bandwidth. Regards, Laina RG --- On Thu, 04 Feb 1999 17:36:46 -0500 Milton Mueller wrote: Interesting, yes, by thrusting telephony into the Internet equation it does mean that some form of "Internet settlement system" may have to be negotiated to guarantee good service quality. The interesting question is whether this renegotiation will come about via political or economic means. Do you think it is possible for carrier-by-carrier and ISP-by-ISP negotiations to bring about a settlement/peering model that sustains a converged bandwidth world? --MM Laina Raveendran Greene wrote: > Milton, > > Yes, you are right to some extent in the issue of regional > bandwidth costs, But there are other sides to the picture, and > where there is a case for peering (with co.mparative benefits > for both sides- as with Japan etc), the historical accident of > cost sharing (which was based on content being in the US) is > still applied by the US carriers. Yet, these very same carriers > are actively promoting Internet telephony, where they use the > bandwidth of the other side to sell international voice. This I > think you will agree is not sustainable in the long run and is > certainly not a compartitive advantage issue. > > The issue has been raised in APEC not as a trade issue but as a > raising awareness and studying the issue in detail, to create a > more sustainable model for Internet bandwidth growth. The > Internet has become a key infrastrucure for E-commerce, and > APEC countries are encouraging multimedia applictions on it, > yet the current model is not sustainable, since just one side > pays for its growth- surely you will see how this must change > and why the issue is pertinent. > > While some (Telstra's efforts in FCC and recent press releases) > may chose to phrase the issue as a US versus Asia issue, more > to get publicity, the issue is really deeper than that its > problems are seen even within the US continent, where peering > or non-peering arrangements are based on unsustainable models > for the long haul. > > Regards, > Laina RG > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Don't forget to come to APRICOT'99 For more details check- www.apng.org/apricot99 Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@getit.org url: www.getit.org Date: 05/02/99 Time: 07:41:44 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Fri Feb 5 01:15:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id BAA04359; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 01:11:59 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA04354; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 01:11:56 GMT Received: from laina (sj-dial-1-95.cisco.com [171.68.180.96]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id RAA21708; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:06:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 99 08:26:17 From: Laina Raveendran Greene Subject: APPLe@APRICOT- Paying for the pacific links To: apnic-talk@apnic.net, sg-infotel@external.cisco.com, apple , apia-members@apia.org Cc: bdooley@cix.org, lindaam@singnet.com.sg, vernon@tas.gov.sg, foojai@tas.gov.sg, bgreene@cisco.com X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk APPLe@APRICOT (APRICOT- POLICY TRACK) RE: INTERNATIONAL INTERNET BANDWIDTH FINANCING ISP ROUNDTABLE You may be interested to note that Mr Leong Kheng Thai, Director General of the Telecommunications Authority of Singapore will a keynote speaker on the 5th March for APRICOT, and he will speak about the issue of International Internet Bandwidth Financing within APEC (Singapore is the proposing economy who brought this issue up to APEC) (Ms Esther Dyson, Chair of ICANN will the other keynote that morning, speaking on Internet Governance issues) Following his keynote, there will be an APPLe session on this issue from 10.30-12.30 which will be co-chaired by the head of the International Affairs Department of TAS (Ms Valerie D'Costa) who is also the upcoming Chair of the APEC Telecom Working Group. The session will be set up as an ISP roundtable session where we will have invited ISP representatives and the rest will be open discussion. Let me know if you are an ISP coming to APRICOT, who would like to participate or speak in this session. I will ensure you will have time to have your views heared. Given that this meeting will be held the week before the APEC meeting in Misayaki, Japan, it is hoped that we can collect as many ISP views from this region as possible for input to the APEC meeting in Misayaki. Many of you may be coming to APRICOT, BUT may not be planning to be in the APEC meeting in Misayaki. We will arrange for the session to be transcribed so that your input can be recorded and distributed. Please support this effort to have your views on this issue heared. Keep a date with us- Room 201, Suntec City, 5th March, 10.30-12.30, Singapore. For more information about APRICOT, please check www.apng.org/apricot99 and if interested in registering for this roundtable session, please send me e-mail at laina@getit.org or call Ms Margie Ong at 738 6929 in Singapore. (APPLE@APRICOT IS SPONSORED BY THE COMMERCIAL INTERNET EXCHANGE) For your further information on other APPLe@APRICOT sessions, we will be posting details on the APPLe website shortly. A brief description is as follows: 2.00- 3.30 ISP liability for Intellectual Property Rights (includes trademark and domain name issues, and copyrights) 3.30-4.00- break 4.00- 5.30 ISP liability for content (censorship, privacy, spamming, etc) Hope to see you at APPLe@APRICOT (POLICY TRACK), 5TH MARCH, SUNTEC CITY, SINGAPORE. REgards, Laina Raveendran Greene Chair/Facilitator Asia Pacific Policy and Legal (APPLe) Forum (www.apng.org/apple or www.getit.org/apple/html/apple.html) * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Fri Feb 5 01:20:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id BAA04642; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 01:17:34 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA04636 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 01:17:32 GMT Received: from laina (sj-dial-1-95.cisco.com [171.68.180.96]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id RAA27891; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:14:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 99 09:06:30 From: Laina Raveendran Greene Subject: Re: Paying for the pacific links To: Martyn Williams Cc: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk I guess you raised some other aspects that would be part of the APEC study. How much content is outside US and being accessed by US users. Also how much of internet telephony goes on, and where are these traffic patterns coming from. Interestingly anyway, in a phone call, traffic patterns are pretty much 50:50 for the duration of the call..It takes two to talk;-)and this alone blows away the old historic model of I send 1 packet to receive 99 (e.g.)i.e. I am pulling your information, therefore why should you pay for the infrastructure. Interesting issues, which are all going to be part of the study which could help in the better understanding of the issues. Laina RG --- On Fri, 05 Feb 1999 09:23:30 +0900 Martyn Williams wrote: Laina, At 05:36 99/02/05, you wrote: >Yes, you are right to some extent in the issue of regional >bandwidth costs, But there are other sides to the picture, and >where there is a case for peering (with comparative benefits >for both sides- as with Japan etc), the historical accident of >cost sharing (which was based on content being in the US) is >still applied by the US carriers. But isn't it still the case? What real content is there in the Asia Pacific? I can't think of many Asian Web sites that have mass appeal to US Internet users. Part of the problem is that the region is so badly interconnected that each link to the US from Asia only represents a small portion of each country's Internet so it is hardly worth paying for. I'm sure if more traffic was pooled in Asia before being sent across to the US, each link would have more of the network on the end and would be a better bargaining tool for the Asian carriers. >Yet, these very same carriers >are actively promoting Internet telephony, where they use the >bandwidth of the other side to sell international voice. I think international Internet telephony is being used much more by people outside the US to call that country and others. Certainly it gets more coverage in the non-US press than domestically in the US, where I don't think people care so much about international Internet telephony and callback. I have no data to back this up so please feel free to shoot me down on this point! And let's not forget why its becoming popular in this part of the world - because the same carriers are charging so much for overseas calls. However, that doesn't mean I believe its simply a case of Asian carriers bad, US carriers good. This issue needs to be looked at because, as Laina mentioned, it means much more to the Internet than simply paying for some trans-Pacific connectivity now. Martyn -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Don't forget to come to APRICOT'99 For more details check- www.apng.org/apricot99 Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@getit.org url: www.getit.org Date: 05/02/99 Time: 09:06:30 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Fri Feb 5 01:19:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id AAA27375; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 00:30:18 GMT Received: from smtp1.dti.ne.jp (smtp1.dti.ne.jp [210.170.128.121]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA27352 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 00:30:14 GMT Received: from default (INS37.shizuoka.dti.ne.jp [210.159.138.101]) by smtp1.dti.ne.jp (8.9.0/3.7W) with SMTP id JAA12690 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:30:10 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990205092508.007c5960@pop.mars.dti.ne.jp> X-Sender: martyn@pop.mars.dti.ne.jp X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 09:25:08 +0900 To: apple@apnic.net From: Martyn Williams Subject: Re: FW: Req. for comments: New Telco Policy URGENT In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk At 12:35 99/02/04, you wrote: >I would urge you to please take some time and review the draft >of the >telecom policy and provide your inputs. anyone know where the draft can be found? Martyn -- Martyn Williams |Internet : martyn@mars.dti.ne.jp Shizuoka, Japan |Internet : martyn@newsbytes.com |Fax : 054-267-1181 * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Fri Feb 5 01:35:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id BAA05380; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 01:32:09 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA05371 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 01:32:05 GMT Received: from laina (sj-dial-1-95.cisco.com [171.68.180.96]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id RAA08854 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:28:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 99 09:24:24 From: Laina Raveendran Greene Subject: content issues To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi All A couple of stories on content regulation which may be of interest to som= e, however the URL of the first story may have changed, or maybe the server = was down when I checked. Cheers David Content regulation = * Canada judge rules kiddy porn possession protected (Reuters) A British= Columbia Supreme Court judge has ruled Canadians have a constitutional ri= ght to possess child pornography if it is for private use and not for distribution, according to a decision made public on Friday. The judge dismissed two counts of simple possession against a Vancouver man, ruling= the threat to privacy and freedom of expression rights posed by that section = of the Criminal Code outweighed its limited benefits to society. = http://legalnews.findlaw.com/news/19990115/n1511770.html&nofr=3D y = * Guyana lifts ban on sex-related Internet content (Nando Media - Associ= ated Press) Guyana is lifting Internet restrictions that have blocked online information about sex, racism and explosives from users based in this Sou= th American country. Programmers will begin removing software filters as ear= ly as Monday, Information Minister Moses Nagamootoo was quoted as saying in Sun= day newspapers. "The government is committed to freedom of expression and acc= ess to information," Nagamootoo said. "We felt that the lifting of the restri= ction is the way to go." = http://www.techserver.com/story/0,1643,6480-11251-77668-0,00.htm l = ________________________________________________________________ ____ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at htt= p://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Don't forget to come to APRICOT'99 For more details check- www.apng.org/apricot99 Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@getit.org url: www.getit.org Date: 05/02/99 Time: 09:24:24 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Fri Feb 5 01:49:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id AAA27376; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 00:30:18 GMT Received: from smtp1.dti.ne.jp (smtp1.dti.ne.jp [210.170.128.121]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA27353 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 00:30:14 GMT Received: from default (INS37.shizuoka.dti.ne.jp [210.159.138.101]) by smtp1.dti.ne.jp (8.9.0/3.7W) with SMTP id JAA12681; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:30:05 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990205091238.007c12a0@pop.mars.dti.ne.jp> X-Sender: martyn@pop.mars.dti.ne.jp X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 09:12:38 +0900 To: From: Martyn Williams Subject: RE: Paying for the pacific links Cc: apple@apnic.net In-Reply-To: <000e01be505b$cc425da0$104dfe90@bgreene-pc.cisco.com> References: <04220290606726@glocom.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk The seminar and APEC TEL meeting has a home page: http://www.mpt.go.jp/apec-tel19/ I believe that almost anyone can attend as a member of a national delegation, as Barry mentioned. However, as a journalist, I was told I am not able to attend the meeting :( Martyn At 17:31 99/02/04 +0100, you wrote: >This seminar is not an "open" seminar. You need to come to APEC Tel as one >of the delegations - preregistered. That means coming with your national >delegation (call you local telecommunications regulator) or through the PECC >delegation (contact your local PECC committee). > >I've been told be all parties that attendance is not a problem - you just >need to pre-register through proper channels. The only problem would be a >limit on the maximum number of people at the APEC Tel meeting. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Fri Feb 5 02:04:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id AAA27386; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 00:30:21 GMT Received: from smtp1.dti.ne.jp (smtp1.dti.ne.jp [210.170.128.121]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA27361 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 00:30:15 GMT Received: from default (INS37.shizuoka.dti.ne.jp [210.159.138.101]) by smtp1.dti.ne.jp (8.9.0/3.7W) with SMTP id JAA12687; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:30:08 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990205092330.007c1e80@pop.mars.dti.ne.jp> X-Sender: martyn@pop.mars.dti.ne.jp X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 09:23:30 +0900 To: Laina Raveendran Greene From: Martyn Williams Subject: Re: Paying for the pacific links Cc: apple@apnic.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Laina, At 05:36 99/02/05, you wrote: >Yes, you are right to some extent in the issue of regional >bandwidth costs, But there are other sides to the picture, and >where there is a case for peering (with comparative benefits >for both sides- as with Japan etc), the historical accident of >cost sharing (which was based on content being in the US) is >still applied by the US carriers. But isn't it still the case? What real content is there in the Asia Pacific? I can't think of many Asian Web sites that have mass appeal to US Internet users. Part of the problem is that the region is so badly interconnected that each link to the US from Asia only represents a small portion of each country's Internet so it is hardly worth paying for. I'm sure if more traffic was pooled in Asia before being sent across to the US, each link would have more of the network on the end and would be a better bargaining tool for the Asian carriers. >Yet, these very same carriers >are actively promoting Internet telephony, where they use the >bandwidth of the other side to sell international voice. I think international Internet telephony is being used much more by people outside the US to call that country and others. Certainly it gets more coverage in the non-US press than domestically in the US, where I don't think people care so much about international Internet telephony and callback. I have no data to back this up so please feel free to shoot me down on this point! And let's not forget why its becoming popular in this part of the world - because the same carriers are charging so much for overseas calls. However, that doesn't mean I believe its simply a case of Asian carriers bad, US carriers good. This issue needs to be looked at because, as Laina mentioned, it means much more to the Internet than simply paying for some trans-Pacific connectivity now. Martyn * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Fri Feb 5 17:55:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id RAA27212; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 17:50:59 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA27206 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 17:50:57 GMT Received: from bgreene-pc.cisco.com (par-async5.cisco.com [144.254.77.16]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id JAA09033; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:47:47 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Barry Raveendran Greene" To: "Martyn Williams" Cc: Subject: RE: Paying for the pacific links Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:45:31 +0100 Message-ID: <001401be512f$530c9980$104dfe90@bgreene-pc.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990205091238.007c12a0@pop.mars.dti.ne.jp> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Martyn, > But isn't it still the case? What real content is there in the > Asia Pacific? I can't think of many Asian Web sites that have mass > appeal to US Internet users. Humm, sounds like one of those questions a report would asked to stir up "heated" discussion. ;-). Actually, this is an old argument. New tools in TCP/IP flow analysis (IETF's RTFM, NLANR's work, CAIDA's work, and vendor tools like Netflow) are allowing ISPs in the region to understand exactly who, what, and where traffic is going on their network. This is true for ISPs in the US. In fact ISPs in the US are well aware of what is happening on the links. Hence, the announcement by ISP/Telcos in Asia would most likely not have been made unless there is some real - verifiable - data to back up their assertions. So old "hypothetical" analogies about the only "real" content in the world is "made in the USA" does not contribute to the discussion. It polarizes instead of promoting dialog and analyzing what is really happening. My $.02. Barry * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Sat Feb 6 13:15:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA21061; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 13:10:06 GMT Received: from geocities.com (mail2.geocities.com [209.1.224.30]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA21054 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 13:10:03 GMT Received: from geocities.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA03699; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 05:09:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36BA468D.4FF48741@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 09:17:01 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS gnM-DICK CC: MILIS APPLE Subject: The "clickable" ICANN news Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THE INTERNET CORPORATION FOR ASSIGNED NAMES AND NUMBERS ICANN Announces International Education and Public Outreach Support in Collaboration with Alexander Ogilvy. See also . About Alexander Ogilvy: See . About Ogilvy PR: See . Contact info: Sean Garrett Director of Technology Policy Communications Alexander Ogilvy Public Relations Worldwide Molly Shaffer Van Houweling, ICANN regards, -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 What's Science? What's so great about IT? (Paul K. Feyerabend,1976) * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Tue Feb 9 17:20:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id RAA04396; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:16:02 GMT Received: from www0d.netaddress.usa.net (www0d.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.33]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA04388 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 17:15:53 GMT Received: (qmail 15307 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 1999 16:48:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19990209164840.15306.qmail@www0d.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.33 by www0d via web-mailer(R2.6) on Tue Feb 9 16:48:40 GMT 1999 Date: 10 Feb 99 03:48:40 EST From: David Goldstein To: Subject: content regulation 'stuff' Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All A couple of stories on content regulation which may be of interest to som= e, however the URL of the first story may have changed, or maybe the server = was down when I checked. = Cheers = David = -------------------------------- Content regulation = * Canada judge rules kiddy porn possession protected (Reuters) A British Columbia Supreme Court judge has ruled Canadians have a constitutional ri= ght to possess child pornography if it is for private use and not for distribution, according to a decision made public on Friday. The judge dismissed two counts of simple possession against a Vancouver man, ruling= the threat to privacy and freedom of expression rights posed by that section = of the Criminal Code outweighed its limited benefits to society. = http://legalnews.findlaw.com/news/19990115/n1511770.html&nofr=3Dy = * Guyana lifts ban on sex-related Internet content (Nando Media - Associa= ted Press) Guyana is lifting Internet restrictions that have blocked online information about sex, racism and explosives from users based in this Sou= th American country. Programmers will begin removing software filters as ear= ly as Monday, Information Minister Moses Nagamootoo was quoted as saying in Sun= day newspapers. "The government is committed to freedom of expression and acc= ess to information," Nagamootoo said. "We felt that the lifting of the restri= ction is the way to go." = http://www.techserver.com/story/0,1643,6480-11251-77668-0,00.html = ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at htt= p://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Wed Feb 10 00:52:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id AAA24625; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:45:52 GMT Received: from smtp1.dti.ne.jp (smtp1.dti.ne.jp [210.170.128.121]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA24621 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:45:49 GMT Received: from default (INS12.shizuoka.dti.ne.jp [210.159.138.76]) by smtp1.dti.ne.jp (8.9.0/3.7W) with SMTP id JAA04157; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:45:42 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990210093937.007fa8d0@pop.mars.dti.ne.jp> X-Sender: martyn@pop.mars.dti.ne.jp X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:39:37 +0900 To: From: Martyn Williams Subject: RE: Paying for the pacific links Cc: apple@apnic.net In-Reply-To: <001401be512f$530c9980$104dfe90@bgreene-pc.cisco.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19990205091238.007c12a0@pop.mars.dti.ne.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk At 18:45 99/02/05 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Martyn, > >> But isn't it still the case? What real content is there in the >> Asia Pacific? I can't think of many Asian Web sites that have mass >> appeal to US Internet users. > >Humm, sounds like one of those questions a report would asked to stir up >"heated" discussion. ;-). To be honest, I'm surprised there was no disagreement to the statement. I figured I'd get a few messages disputing this.... maybe everyone is just busy. But I don't like this whole thing at all. The ISPs are talking about measuring traffic and paying for what is sent - this is just what the telcos want because then the free-ride Internet will be gone and they can start protecting their revenues. Once the backbone providers have to pay for what they use, the charges will trickle down and eventually the end user will be paying by the megabyte for international traffic a la Australia. And let's not forget, the some of this "US" traffic is actually Asian traffic that goes across to the US and comes back because we don't have a satisfactory regional infrastructure and part of the reason for that is the high prices charged by telcos for leased lines. I wonder if the traffic measuring will disclose where the traffic is coming from originally? I bet a lot of it is Asian stuff being routed via the US or am I being too cynical? I'm open to correction on any of this! Martyn -- Martyn Williams |Internet : martyn@mars.dti.ne.jp Shizuoka, Japan |Internet : martyn@newsbytes.com |Fax : 054-267-1181 * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Wed Feb 10 00:58:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id AAA25059; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:55:15 GMT Received: from server.jad.net ([202.134.2.38]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA25052 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:55:05 GMT Received: from oke.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by server.jad.net (8.8.5/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA11363; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:54:35 +0700 (JAVT) Message-ID: <36C0D849.F38D5EDC@oke.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:52:25 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS gnM-DICK CC: MILIS APPLE Subject: BCP-30 (RFC-2505) Anti-Spam Recommendations for SMTP MTAs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yet another BCP (Best Current Practice), BCP-30, RFC-2505, Feb 1999, 52 kBytes): "Anti-Spam Recommendations for SMTP MTAs" by Gunnar Lindberg (Chalmers Univ. of Technology, Sweden). URL: Abstract: This memo gives a number of implementation recommendations for SMTP, MTAs (Mail Transfer Agents, e.g. sendmail) to make them more capable of reducing the impact of spam(*). The intent is that these recommendations will help clean up the spam situation, if applied on enough SMTP MTAs on the Internet, and that they should be used as guidelines for the various MTA vendors. We are fully aware that this is not the final solution, but if these recommendations were included, and used, on all Internet SMTP MTAs, things would improve considerably and give time to design a more long term solution. The Future Work section suggests some ideas that may be part of such a long term solution. It might, though, very well be the case that the ultimate solution is social, political, or legal, rather than technical in nature. The implementor should be aware of the increased risk of denial of service attacks that several of the proposed methods might lead to. For example, increased number of queries to DNS servers and increased size of logfiles might both lead to overloaded systems and system crashes during an attack. A brief summary of this memo is: o Stop unauthorized mail relaying. o Spammers then have to operate in the open; deal with them. o Design a mail system that can handle spam. * Spam (R) (capitalized) is a registered trademark of a meat product made by Hormel. Use of the term spam (uncapitalized) in the Internet community comes from a Monty Python sketch and is almost Internet folklore. The term spam is usually pejorative, however this is not in any way intended to describe the Hormel product. -- Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim - mailto:rms46@oke.com http://vlsm.id.org - - Join us now and share the software;You'll be free, hackers - rms6 * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Wed Feb 10 02:25:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id CAA29395; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:22:29 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA29390 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:22:25 GMT Received: from laina (sj-dial-1-245.cisco.com [171.68.179.246]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id SAA15700 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:19:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 99 07:22:06 From: Laina Raveendran Greene Subject: FW: ICANN Press Release 08-FEB-99 To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk --- On Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:07:02 -0800 (PST) Internet Assigned Numbers Authority wrote: ICANN update: The documents referred to in the press release below are available at: http://www.icann.org/drafts.html A new set of ICANN FAQs addressing these and other matters has been posted at: http://www.icann.org/faq.html ___________________________ INTERNET CORPORATION FOR ASSIGNED NAMES AND NUMBERS For Immediate Release February 8, 1999 ICANN Releases Draft Accreditation Guidelines for Domain-Name Registrars- Proposal to be Available for Public Comment at www.icann.org Los Angeles-In a first step towards establishing fair and consistent guidelines and procedures that will increase competition and global participation in domain-name registration services, the non-profit Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) today is releasing for public comment a draft proposal for the accreditation of Internet domain-name registrars. The draft includes criteria for selecting the five registrars who will test the system for a two-month period beginning at the end of April. The proposed accreditation guidelines, comprising nearly 30 pages of detailed analysis and proposed standards, will be published on ICANN's Web site (www.icann.org) today for public comment and suggestions. The final version of the guidelines will provide requirements for accreditation of domain-name registrars in the .com, .org and .net top-level domains (TLDs). Following public comment submitted in response to today's posting, and comment and discussion at an open meeting in Singapore on March 3, 1999, ICANN's initial board will consider adoption of the proposed guidelines or a revised version. "We are pleased to have the opportunity to work with the Internet community to create a stable but competitive market for domain-name registration services in these three important domains," commented Esther Dyson, interim chairman of the ICANN board. "One of the major reasons for the creation of ICANN was to foster fair and open ground rules in the domain-name system, and we are now approaching a major milestone in achieving that goal. We aim to design a system that promotes the stability of the Internet and is capable of evolving in the future." The immediate development and adoption of accreditation guidelines is necessary to implement an agreement by Network Solutions Inc. (NSI) to develop a system that allows multiple registrars to register names in the .com, .net, and .org TLDs in competition with NSI. Since 1993, NSI has been the sole provider of direct domain-name registration services in these TLDs as part of a cooperative agreement with the U.S. Government. In the interests of opening the process to robust competition, a recent amendment to the cooperative agreement paved the way for other companies to register unique second-level domain names on behalf of their customers in the NSI-maintained TLD database (the "registry"). NSI initially will open the database to five registrars as part of a test phase in which the shared registration system will be launched, evaluated and improved. Rather than participating in the test as one of the five registrars, NSI will continue its existing registrar operations during the test phase. After completion of the test, NSI will be required to provide equal access to registry services through the shared registration system to all accredited registrars (including itself) at prices to be agreed upon by the U.S. Government and NSI under the terms of the cooperative agreement. The price charged by NSI for registry services will be based on NSI's costs, plus a reasonable return on its investment. Key elements of the proposed guidelines on which ICANN is soliciting comments include minimum technical, operational and financial criteria for entering the registration business; requirements for portability of domain names among registration companies; protections against fraud and infringement of intellectual property rights; data security, privacy, and protection; and special technical requirements to protect the stability and operational integrity of the Internet. ICANN is seeking public comment on these proposed criteria, as well as on a proposed fee structure based on an initial accreditation fee and an ongoing charges on regisration volume. Because testbed participants will be required to provide enhanced technical and engineering support to interface with NSI during the testing phase, the proposal specifies additional criteria for selection of the five testbed registrars. The early accreditation of these registrars for the test period is not intended or expected to give them any competitive advantage. Indeed, they will be required to devote significant time, expertise, and resources to ensure the success of the testing process, and they must be prepared to publish operational information as part of the test evaluation. "Much of the material in these proposed guidelines reflects planning and analysis done by others in recent years," said Michael Roberts, ICANN interim CEO and head of the proposal drafting effort. "We've pulled that thinking together, updated it to reflect the agreement between ICANN and the government, and tailored it to the needs of NSI's agreement with the U.S. Government for the introduction of competition in the .com, .org and .net domains. ICANN thanks all those who contributed." As with any other change in Internet management, the introduction of the guidelines will be controversial. "We recognize that implementing changes in the domain-name system will be a contentious issue," said Interim Chairman Dyson. "The point is to make the transition fair, and the results fair. As long as everyone knows the rules and can play on the same terms, we will have achieved that. As the initial board considers comments on the guidelines, we will work hard with the Internet community to develop guidelines that strike everyone as reasonable, sound, and transparent." Along with the draft guidelines, ICANN also is posting several other policy drafts and documents on which it is seeking public comment-including a draft conflict of interest policy, a draft reconsideration policy, and applications received from entities seeking recognition as ICANN Supporting Organizations. About ICANN: The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) is a new, private, non-profit, international corporation formed by the global Internet community to assume responsibility for managing Internet technical coordinating functions including domain-name system (DNS) management, IP address block allocation, the coordination of the assignment of technical protocol parameters, and root server system management, now performed by, or on behalf of, the U.S. Government. ICANN was created by the global Internet community in response to "Management of Internet Names and Addresses," a U.S. Government statement of policy issued in June 1998, that invited the global Internet community to form a new, private sector organization to undertake management of Internet domain-name system functions. In November 1998, ICANN entered into an agreement with the U.S. Government to design and develop the methods and procedures that should be in place to transition DNS management responsibility to the private sector from the government. It is expected that this transition will be completed by September 2000. ICANN's initial board is led by interim chairman Esther Dyson, and has members from six nations. This initial board, with assistance from staff and several committees, is working to pave the way for a smooth and stable transition to private sector management of technical management functions. The day-to-day management of ICANN is led by its interim President and CEO, Mike Roberts. The initial board members will be succeeded by board members elected by four different constituency groups, collectively representing a broad range of the Internet's technical and user communities around the globe. -30- ICANN contacts: Esther Dyson Interim Chairman +1 (212) 924-8800 edyson@icann.org Michael M. Roberts Interim President and CEO +1 (650) 854-2108 roberts@icann.org Sean Garrett Director of Technology Policy Communications Alexander Ogilvy Public Relations Worldwide +1 (415) 923-1660, 170 sgarrett@alexanderogilvy.com Europe: Patrick Worms Vice President, Technology Communications Ogilvy Public Relations Worldwide, Brussels (+32-2) 545 6609 patrick.worms@ogilvy.be Asia: Patricia Ratulangi Senior Associate, Technology Practice Ogilvy Public Relations Worldwide, Singapore +65 2779563 patricia.ratulangi@ogilvy.com -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Don't forget to come to APRICOT'99 For more details check- www.apng.org/apricot99 Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@getit.org url: www.getit.org Date: 10/02/99 Time: 07:22:06 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Wed Feb 10 02:40:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id CAA00419; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:37:37 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA00414 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:37:33 GMT Received: from laina (sj-dial-1-245.cisco.com [171.68.179.246]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id SAA23356 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:34:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 99 09:43:22 From: Laina Raveendran Greene Subject: FW: Internet Law and Policy Forum Elects International Leadership To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk --- On Tue, 09 Feb 1999 12:13:10 +0000 Marilyn Malenfant wrote: The following press release can also be viewed on the ILPF web site at http://www.ilpf.org/press/080299.htm *** Montreal, Canada, February 8, 1999 - The Internet Law and Policy Forum (ILPF), an international non-governmental organization, announced the election of its new management team. Corporate executives and senior professionals from Fujitsu Limited in Japan, Warburg Dillon Read in the United Kingdom, Deutsch Telekom in Germany, and BCT.TELUS in Canada become senior officers of the Forum as of today. As ILPF chair, Mr. Masanobu Katoh of Fujitsu Limited will lead ILPF in its selection and implementation of projects during the coming year. He brings significant international experience to the position. Mr Katoh will be joined by three regional Vice Chairs, Ms Breedy, Associate Director, European Programme Office, Warburg Dillon Read in the United Kingdom, Mr Goeckel, Counsel, Deutsch Telekom in Germany, and Mr Makaryshyn, Senior Advisor, Government and Community Affairs, BCT.TELUS in Canada. Each will strengthen ILPF presence and responsiveness within his or her respective national or regional jurisdiction. "I am very pleased to join the ILPF Management Team as the newly elected Chairman. Together, this new Management Team and our Executive Director Ruth Day, will continue the strong leadership on legal and policy issues relating to the Internet that ILPF has developed around the world, said Mr. Katoh. "This year poses some exciting challenges for the ILPF. In particular, we would like to devote more attention to jurisdiction issues -- the fundamentals of a stable and predictable legal environment for all Internet-related activities," Mr. Katoh added. The outgoing ILPF Chairman, John Montjoy, praised the new officers as "knowledgeable practitioners with broad international representation." "The ILPF is a unique global group of legal and policy experts. ILPF work products provide thoughtful analysis and practical advice that can be a significant contribution as both private and public sectors begin to resolve legal and policy issues relating to the Internet and electronic commerce," said Mr Montjoy. Ruth Day, ILPF Executive Director, welcomed the new officers. "Their leadership will enhance the growing international reputation of the organization and allow us to tackle new challenges as we enter the networked world of the 21st Century," said Ms. Day. Over the past two years, the ILPF has published a comparative survey of content regulation, surveys of electronic authentication and digital signature initiatives, and resources on industry self-regulation. The group also sponsors conferences and provides expert comment to international policymakers. A primary focus for 1999 will be the continuation of electronic authentication surveys and its international expansion as well as the examination of national jurisdiction over communications and transactions available over a global Internet. Details are publicly available at the ILPF web site (www.ilpf.org) For more information contact: For membership information contact: Ruth Day, Executive Director Marilyn Malenfant, Admin. Coordinator +1.514.744.0408 +1.514.744.0408 rday@ilpf.org malenfant@ilpf.org ILPF was founded in 1995 by companies with a common interest in fostering the growth of electronic commerce and communications worldwide. The group strives to fill the gaps between existing law and the development of a global electronic network by examining the legal and policy issues arising from an increase in Internet communications and transactions. *** NOTE TO RECIPIENTS OF THIS MESSAGE: The ILPF sends out updates to its mailing list on a regular basis. If you do not wish to receive these messages in the future, you may automatically remove your name from this list by sending a message to postmaster@ilpf.org with the words leave contacts in the first line of the message box (please do not write anything else) Regards, Marilyn -- Marilyn Malenfant Tel: +1.514.744.0408 Administrative Coordinator Fax: +1.514.744.9806 Internet Law & Policy Forum E-mail: malenfant@ilpf.org Montreal, Canada URL: http://www.ilpf.org -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Don't forget to come to APRICOT'99 For more details check- www.apng.org/apricot99 Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@getit.org url: www.getit.org Date: 10/02/99 Time: 09:43:22 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Wed Feb 10 04:10:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id EAA04812; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 04:07:19 GMT Received: from armstrong.apic.net (armstrong.apic.net [203.22.101.2]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA04808 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 04:07:17 GMT Received: from boss.apic.net (boss.apic.net [203.22.102.40]) by armstrong.apic.net (8.8.7/APIC-2.1) with SMTP id PAA11898 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:07:16 +1100 (EST) X-Org: The Asia Pacific Internet Company Pty. Ltd. X-URL: http://www.apic.net/ Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990210150522.014ce310@mail.apic.net> X-Sender: bala@mail.apic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:05:22 +1100 To: apple@apnic.net From: Bala Pillai Subject: Re: Paying For the Pacific Links Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Dear Applers, Three random tidbits from Alan Dawson's "From the Newsdesk" in Bangkok. Juxtapose them onto the three debates:- a) Yanks vs R.O.T.W capital-markets-wise and culture-wise b) dinosaur telco vs dynamic mammal ISP/VOIP/Internet content companies c) sovereigns vs the hollowing thereof (i.e. back to pre-Gutenberg days) Make a learned insight into how these will pan out, and one will get a clearer direction of what's the trend and what the counter-trend aberrations are with regards to the much smaller wave within a wave, "Paying for Pacific Links". cheers../bala p.s. make sure you do not use Copernican herd instinct masquerading as logic and as Jim Barksdale would say "you don't count the number of people swimming across the river to make a case for a bridge" - leave that to the many insight-lacking market researchers (with the notable exception of Ramin!) and journalists who mouth them. |_ ._ _ ._ _ _|_ |_ _ |\ | _ _ _| _ _ | | | (_) | | | |_ | | (/_ | \| (/_ \/\/ _> (_| (/_ _> |< From the Newsdesk Copyright (c) 1999 Post Publishing Co and by the author. Southeast Asia's most authoritarian regime is going gingerly onto the Internet, with the Burmese government telephone monopoly as the first and only Internet provider; almost no Burmese will be allowed Net access, and it remains a serious crime in Burma to own an unlicenced modem. A court in Fuzhou said the Internet long-distance service set up by two Fujian entrepreneurs was perfectly legal, despite the legal monopoly of China Telecom; the verdict was on the same day that a man in Shanghai received two years for passing email addresses to an American magazine. Australia joined the ad hoc Asian effort to get American Internet backbone operators to cough up their fair share of trans-Pacific Net traffic, where "fair" means an increase from zero to 50 percent; the Internet Industry Association of Australia said it would organise Telstra Corp and smaller ISPs to fight alongside the Communications Authority of Thailand and the big telecoms firms in Japan, Taiwan, Indonesia, the Philippines, Korea, Singapore and Malaysia. bala pillai* bala@sydney.net*the asia pacific internet co, sydney O N L I N E R O C K E T - F U E L E D C O M M U N I T I E S for info send blank ph:+61 2 9419 5333 fax: + 61 2 9419 5155 * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Wed Feb 10 21:35:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id VAA23927; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:31:13 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA23921 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:31:10 GMT Received: from laina (sj-dial-1-30.cisco.com [171.68.179.31]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id NAA07928 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:28:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 99 05:23:42 From: Laina Raveendran Greene Subject: Draft IPv6 Policy Document - Call for Comments To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk --- On Wed Feb 10 14:46:13 1999 APNIC Secretariat wrote: [Note "reply-to:" field] -- ******************************************************* Draft IPv6 Policy Document - Call for Comments ******************************************************* APNIC is pleased to make available the following Draft "IPv6 Assignment and Allocation Policy Document" for your information. This document (http://www.apnic.net/ipv6draft.html) is the result of a collaborative effort of all the Regional Internet Registries (APNIC, ARIN and RIPE) and aims to provide a responsible, globally consistent framework for the management of IPv6 address space. IPv6 address space is a public resource and, therefore, its management involves developing policies which achieve the best possible balance of the needs of all members of the Internet community. APNIC encourages you, as a member of the Internet community, to read this document and consider its implications. We invite you to make any comments you feel would be constructive to the development of a further draft. Please note that for use within the Asia-Pacific region, APNIC would propose to adapt this document to ensure consistency with the newly-developed policy document "Policies for Address Space Management in the Asia Pacific Region", which has just been released in draft form . In such an adaptation however, the basic global principles and procedures relating to IPv6 allocation and assignment would remain as they are described here. Please address your comments to the mailing list (subscribe via majordomo@apnic.net>). If, however, you would like to make comments privately, please email Anne Lord . The deadline for comments to be considered for the next draft of the document is the 17th of February 1999. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + APNIC Secretariat Tel: +61-7-3367-0490 Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC) Ltd Fax: +61-7-3367-0482 Level 1, 33 Park Road, PO Box 2131, Milton, QLD 4064, Australia + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + * APNIC-ANNOUNCE: Announcements concerning APNIC * * To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apnic-announce-request@apnic.net * * APNIC-TALK: General APNIC Discussion List * * To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net * -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Don't forget to come to APRICOT'99 For more details check- www.apng.org/apricot99 Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@getit.org url: www.getit.org Date: 11/02/99 Time: 05:23:42 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Thu Feb 11 12:14:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id MAA27188; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:13:11 GMT Received: from igcb.igc.org (igcb.igc.org [192.82.108.46]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27184 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:13:08 GMT Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (root@cdp.igc.org [192.82.108.1]) by igcb.igc.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA29353 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:12:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by cdp.igc.apc.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) id EAA14828 for apple@apnic.net; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:12:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from tiap (modem10.forum.org.kh [192.168.111.110]) by forum.org.kh (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA10928 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:30:14 +0700 Message-ID: <002201be55aa$0e4421e0$7c6fa8c0@tiap> Reply-To: "Norbert Klein" From: "Norbert Klein" To: "APPLe" Subject: Voice Over Internet Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:21:46 +0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Only yesterday I received an English translation of a document from the Cambodian Ministry of Post and Telecommunications, issued on 30 December 1998 with the following text: >Prohibition of Use of Voice Over Internet > >1. Any use of telephony via Internet or any business which offers >telephony service via Internet is strictly prohibited. Any > person who >violates the above shall be penalised according to the law. > >2. This declaration comes into effect on the date signed. > >Signed 30 December 1998 The regulation is accompanied by a general reference to the Constitution of the Kingdom of Cambodia, as well as to a Decree on the formation of the Ministry of Post and Telecommunications from 24 January 1996 (before there was any full ISP operating in Cambodia), as well as to a Council of Ministers' Sub-Decree from 5 March 1987 on post and telecommunication services; I have not yet been able to see copies of these texts (except for the the Constitution). While we have never used or provided such services, I would like to ask for information and comments if and how Voice Over Internet is regulated in other countries, and how such regulations - if they exist - are policed and punished in other countries. Norbert Klein Open Forum Information Exchange - providing e-mail and newsgroup access - Phnom Penh/CAMBODIA * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Thu Feb 11 18:02:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id SAA19317; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:02:20 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA19308 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:02:15 GMT Received: from bgreenent1 (sj-dial-1-72.cisco.com [171.68.179.73]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id JAA24704; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:58:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Barry Raveendran Greene" To: "Norbert Klein" , "APPLe" Subject: RE: Voice Over Internet Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:58:32 +0800 Message-ID: <003301be5562$07314ce0$0300000a@bgreenent1.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <002201be55aa$0e4421e0$7c6fa8c0@tiap> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Norber, Telephony over the Internet is a service an ISP would sell. Voice over the Internet is an application any user, company, or group can download/buy products to do for their own personal/organizational gain. This is the core distinction they (the Government of Cambodia) needs to clarify. In other words are you, the ISP going to be held liable for the actions of your customers. If yes, close shop. This threat has worked in other countries in Asia where the Government was trying to push their responsibilities to enforce the law of the land on a commercial interest (i.e. turning an ISP into a law enforcement agency with out due $$$ compensation). That's my quick $.02 Barry > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-apple@apnic.net [mailto:owner-apple@apnic.net]On Behalf Of > Norbert Klein > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 6:22 PM > To: APPLe > Subject: Voice Over Internet > > > Only yesterday I received an English translation of a document from the > Cambodian Ministry of Post and Telecommunications, issued on 30 December > 1998 with the following text: > > >Prohibition of Use of Voice Over Internet > > > >1. Any use of telephony via Internet or any business which offers > >telephony service via Internet is strictly prohibited. Any > > person who > >violates the above shall be penalised according to the law. > > > >2. This declaration comes into effect on the date signed. > > > >Signed 30 December 1998 > > > The regulation is accompanied by a general reference to the > Constitution of > the Kingdom of Cambodia, as well as to a Decree on the formation of the > Ministry of Post and Telecommunications from 24 January 1996 (before there > was any full ISP operating in Cambodia), as well as to a Council of > Ministers' Sub-Decree from 5 March 1987 on post and telecommunication > services; I have not yet been able to see copies of these texts > (except for > the the Constitution). > > While we have never used or provided such services, I would like > to ask for > information and comments if and how Voice Over Internet is regulated in > other countries, and how such regulations - if they exist - are > policed and > punished in other countries. > > Norbert Klein > Open Forum Information Exchange > - providing e-mail and newsgroup access - > Phnom Penh/CAMBODIA > > > > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Fri Feb 12 01:42:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id BAA08059; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 01:40:20 GMT Received: from mail8.ntu.edu.sg (mail8.ntu.edu.sg [155.69.1.97]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA08049 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 01:40:17 GMT Received: by mail8.ntu.edu.sg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <1Q9KH0HJ>; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:37:10 +0800 Message-ID: <6665AC0C667ED11186E308002BB487E103006178@exchange2> From: "Ang Peng Hwa (Dr)" To: "'APPLe'" Subject: Amazing Amazon and Online Ethics Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:37:04 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk There is this amazing story about Amazon.com abstracted from Edupage 11 Feb 1999. AMAZON.COM WILL NOW DISCLOSE PUBLISHING PROMOTIONAL DEALS Because a number of its customers have indicated their unhappiness about its recently revealed "e-merchandising" program, online bookseller Amazon.com will now disclose when book publishers pay the company to feature titles. A company executive says, "We're always listening to our customers and it was clear that our customers had a higher expectation for us than the physical bookselling world." (New York Times 10 Feb 99) 1. The story is that Amazon.com had publishers pay for favourable reviews as well as promotions. 2. These payments were not made known to visitors/readers. 3. Visitors/readers complained. 4. Jeff Bezos, the big man himself, had a L-O-N-G evening meeting to discuss this. This must be the meeting that the company exec above shows that they are listening to customers. When I presented the scenario to my undergrad media law and ethics class, they resolved the matter in 2 minutes (including time to scratch and yawn). It was that obvious that Amazon had breached fairly basic advertising codes: you always distinguish between editorial and advertising. Where the distinction is not clear, you as the media owner make it clear. But you can't blame Bezos. He is not a media man. Unfortunately, so are a lot of online publishers. The Amazon breach is just one that was revealed. Regards, Ang Peng Hwa * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Fri Feb 12 18:19:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id SAA05646; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:15:13 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA05639 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:15:08 GMT Received: from bgreenent1 (sj-dial-5-6.cisco.com [171.68.179.199]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id KAA16709; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:12:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Barry Raveendran Greene" To: Subject: Bad news for WWW Caching: Anti-caching lobby wins round one of Euro vote Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:12:08 +0800 Message-ID: <002b01be562d$181355f0$0300000a@bgreenent1.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit FYI ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ http://www.theregister.co.uk/990210-000024.html Posted 10/02/99 4:48pm by Tim Richardson Anti-caching lobby wins round one of Euro vote Lobbyists within the European Parliament are warning that the Internet could grind to a halt after they failed to get the Draft Report on Copyright in the Information Society amended in Strasbourg this afternoon. Seventies singing sensation turned MEP, Nana Mouskouri, was one of the people who helped spearhead the campaign in favour of copyright protection on the Internet. News of the two-thirds majority against the amendments -- which would have excluded caching from the report -- has come as a bitter disappointment to the European Internet Service Providers Association (EuroISPA) which campaigned vigorously in favour of the changes. If the draft report remains unchanged as it charts its passage through the European parliamentary process, the creation of temporary files -- or caching -- will be outlawed (see earlier story) and lead to a marked slowdown Net performance, EuroISPA warned. "If you outlaw the proxying of files then the Net will slow down," said a spokesman for EuroISPA. "Of course we recognise the value of potential copyright holders but we don't see how restricting caching will be of any benefit to them," he said. A spokesman at the Department of Trade and Industry tried to minimise the impact of today's news saying that the draft report still had to be presented to EU member states. While he couldn't make any promises, he said the UK government was likely to argue for a change. Lobbying on both sides of the argument has been intense all week, The Register has discovered. A leaflet from an anonymous source circulated last night warned that Net piracy could be caused by temporary files and urged MEPs not to vote for amendments which might create a legal loophole. The leaflet was believed to have influenced MEP’s voting decisions. ® --------------------------------------------------- More background information: Sci/Tech - Tougher Net piracy law backed By Internet Correspondent Chris Nuttall http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_277000/277126.stm Sci/Tech - Pop versus Net pirates http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_276000/276097.stm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ APRICOT (Asia & Pacific Rim Internet Conference on Operational Technologies) Singapore March 1 - 5, 1999 -- The Annual ISP Operations and Business Summit in Asia and Pacific -- http://www.apricot.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Fri Feb 12 20:00:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id TAA08573; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:08:29 GMT Received: from svc00.apnic.net (svc00.apnic.net [202.12.28.131]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA08564 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:08:24 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by svc00.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA19472 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:08:21 GMT Received: from laina (sj-dial-5-5.cisco.com [171.68.179.198]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id LAA03610; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:04:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 99 02:45:50 From: Laina Raveendran Greene Subject: APPLe@APRICOT To: apple@apnic.net Cc: getit@singnet.com.sg X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Just a reminder that the issue of caching and copyrights in the previous e-mail I sent out, will be one of the issues discussed at the APPLE session on 5th March, 2-3.30pm Room 201, Suntec City, Singapore on: ISP liability and Intellectual Property Rights other issues under this topic will include the domain name and trademark issues 4.00-5.30 will discuss ISP liability for content which includes issues on censorship laws, spamming, privacy, etc. The morning session, from 10.30- 12.30 will be an ISP roundtable session on the APEC Internet study on International bandwidth financing for the Internet. Hope to see you there. There will be a separate daily rate for those only interested in attending the APPLE session, and not the whole APRICOT. Please send me e-mail at getit@singnet.com.sg if you are interested to attend. REgards, Laina RG ------------------------------------- Don't forget to come to APRICOT'99 For more details check- www.apng.org/apricot99 Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@getit.org url: www.getit.org Date: 13/02/99 Time: 02:45:50 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Fri Feb 12 20:29:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id TAA09079; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:19:24 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA08845; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:14:39 GMT Received: from laina (sj-dial-5-5.cisco.com [171.68.179.198]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id LAA09561; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:11:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 99 03:01:29 From: Laina Raveendran Greene Subject: Women in IT Event at APRICOT X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk (apologies for duplicates) FYI Women in IT (WinIT) BOF@ APRICOT. Do come and support. It is open to men and women. REgards, Laina RG --- On 12 Feb 99 18:05:10 SIN Vivien@idrc.org.sg wrote: You may be aware that Internet World Asia is being held at Suntec City the first week in March. APRICOT (Asia Pacific Regional Internet Conference on Operational Technologies) is a conference being held in tandem with Internet World. The Singapore Business & Professional Women's Assocation (SBPWA), together with the Singapore Women in IT (SWIT), are involved in organizing a "Birds-of-a-Feather" Women in IT Networking Dinner to serve as a side event of APRICOT on the evening of 4th March 1999. We are recruiting a panel of distinguished speakers from the government and private sectors. Ascend Communications, Hong Kong, has kindly agreed to sponsor the event again (they sponsored last year's event in Manila). The topic for the panel discussion is "How Technology Is Empowering Professional Women". We want to hear from the leaders in the industry, as well as have audience participation on what the key issues for women in IT. Last year, about 70 women and men attended the evening and feedback was very positive. This year we are hoping to at have the same number, if not more. The announcement is on the APRICOT web site (www.apricot.net) as well as the women-connect-asia site (www.women-connect-asia.com). This is an event you shouldn't miss as it gives women a platform to discuss IT-related issues affecting their professional and personal lives. Please RSVP before 26th February by calling Tel: 338-9395 or printing out the registration off the web and faxing it back to Tel: 336-7170. It's free attendance, and open to both men and women! As we are expecting a lot of APRICOT delegates to come, please secure your seat by booking early. Best regards, Vivien Chiam email: vivien@idrc.org.sg Tel(65)8316-828 Fax (65)2351189 Business & Partnerships Development Manager International Development Research Centre (IDRC), Singapore http://www.PanAsia.org.sg; http://www.idrc.org.sg -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Don't forget to come to APRICOT'99 For more details check- www.apng.org/apricot99 Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@getit.org url: www.getit.org Date: 13/02/99 Time: 03:01:29 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Fri Feb 12 20:37:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id SAA07359; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:45:00 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA07352 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:44:56 GMT Received: from laina (sj-dial-1-90.cisco.com [171.68.179.91]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id KAA12874; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:41:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 99 02:36:22 From: Laina Raveendran Greene Subject: FW: [APIA-MEMBERS] Bad news for WWW Caching: Anti-caching lobby wins round one of Euro vote To: apple@apnic.net, sg-infotel@external.cisco.com X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT http://www.theregister.co.uk/990210-000024.html Posted 10/02/99 4:48pm by Tim Richardson Anti-caching lobby wins round one of Euro vote Lobbyists within the European Parliament are warning that the Internet could grind to a halt after they failed to get the Draft Report on Copyright in the Information Society amended in Strasbourg this afternoon. Seventies singing sensation turned MEP, Nana Mouskouri, was one of the people who helped spearhead the campaign in favour of copyright protection on the Internet. News of the two-thirds majority against the amendments -- which would have excluded caching from the report -- has come as a bitter disappointment to the European Internet Service Providers Association (EuroISPA) which campaigned vigorously in favour of the changes. If the draft report remains unchanged as it charts its passage through the European parliamentary process, the creation of temporary files -- or caching -- will be outlawed (see earlier story) and lead to a marked slowdown Net performance, EuroISPA warned. "If you outlaw the proxying of files then the Net will slow down," said a spokesman for EuroISPA. "Of course we recognise the value of potential copyright holders but we don't see how restricting caching will be of any benefit to them," he said. A spokesman at the Department of Trade and Industry tried to minimise the impact of today's news saying that the draft report still had to be presented to EU member states. While he couldn't make any promises, he said the UK government was likely to argue for a change. Lobbying on both sides of the argument has been intense all week, The Register has discovered. A leaflet from an anonymous source circulated last night warned that Net piracy could be caused by temporary files and urged MEPs not to vote for amendments which might create a legal loophole. The leaflet was believed to have influenced MEP’s voting decisions. ® --------------------------------------------------- More background information: Sci/Tech - Tougher Net piracy law backed By Internet Correspondent Chris Nuttall http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_277000/277126.s tm Sci/Tech - Pop versus Net pirates http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_276000/276097.s tm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ APRICOT (Asia & Pacific Rim Internet Conference on Operational Technologies) Singapore March 1 - 5, 1999 -- The Annual ISP Operations and Business Summit in Asia and Pacific -- http://www.apricot.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Fri Feb 12 21:03:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id UAA13568; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:49:02 GMT Received: from gatekeeper.pipermar.com (firewall-user@gatekeeper.pipermar.com [206.181.226.34]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA13563 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 20:48:58 GMT Received: by gatekeeper.pipermar.com; id PAA20627; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:32:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(192.168.100.12) by gatekeeper.pipermar.com via smap (4.1) id xma011908; Fri, 12 Feb 99 15:12:46 -0500 Received: by BALTMSG1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:26:30 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Halpert, James - DC" To: "'Laina Raveendran Greene'" Cc: "'apple@apnic.net'" Subject: RE: APPLe@APRICOT Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:26:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Laina, Check out the overview of Internet legislation on the www.pipermar.com web site, "articles" section for a detailed analysis of the (far better) U.S. approach to this problem. The model may be relevant for many Asia-Pacific countries as caching, of course, helps to reduce trans-Pacific transmission delays. Best -- Jim * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Fri Feb 12 22:55:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id WAA19051; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:52:18 GMT Received: from armstrong.apic.net (armstrong.apic.net [203.22.101.2]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA19047 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:52:16 GMT Received: from boss.apic.net (boss.apic.net [203.22.102.40]) by armstrong.apic.net (8.8.7/APIC-2.1) with SMTP id JAA11502; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:52:10 +1100 (EST) X-Org: The Asia Pacific Internet Company Pty. Ltd. X-URL: http://www.apic.net/ Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990213094916.007183f8@mail.apic.net> X-Sender: bala@mail.apic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:49:16 +1100 To: apple@apnic.net From: Bala Pillai Subject: First UK net libel case hits Demon (BBC fw) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk First UK net libel case hits Demon Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_278000/278482.stm The offending message was posted in the soc.culture.thai newsgroup By Internet Correspondent Chris Nuttall The first libel action against a UK Internet Service Provider (ISP) moves into a new phase on Monday, when a judge will be asked to strike out part of their defence. The libel action against Demon Internet is being brought by a British physicist, Laurence Godfrey, over a defamatory newsgroup message. He says a forged message was posted in soc.culture.thai in 1997, purportedly coming from him and containing damaging allegations of a personal nature. Mr Godfrey said he had asked Demon to remove the posting but the ISP refused. The message had been copied to its servers and many others around the world carrying newsgroup messages. Net precedent His solicitor, Nick Braithwaite of Bindman and partners, says an application will be made in court in London. It will ask a judge to strike out part of Demon's defence relating to Section One of the 1996 Defamation Act. This is the "Internet defence" of innocent distribution, where ISPs can argue they were storing and passing on data and messages without being aware of their content. Mr Braithwaite said he believed they could not rely on that defence because they had been served notice about the offending message. A precedent might be set by the court's judgerment. This is not Mr Godfrey's first Net libel case. He accepted a payment into court in 1996 from another physicist, Philip Hallam-Baker. He has also pursued Internet-related suits against organisations and individuals in Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the United States. bala pillai* bala@sydney.net*the asia pacific internet co, sydney O N L I N E R O C K E T - F U E L E D C O M M U N I T I E S for info send blank ph:+61 2 9419 5333 fax: + 61 2 9419 5155 * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Fri Feb 12 23:00:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id WAA19265; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:57:53 GMT Received: from armstrong.apic.net (armstrong.apic.net [203.22.101.2]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA19261 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:57:52 GMT Received: from boss.apic.net (boss.apic.net [203.22.102.40]) by armstrong.apic.net (8.8.7/APIC-2.1) with SMTP id JAA11712; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:57:48 +1100 (EST) X-Org: The Asia Pacific Internet Company Pty. Ltd. X-URL: http://www.apic.net/ Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990213095453.017f06bc@mail.apic.net> X-Sender: bala@mail.apic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:54:53 +1100 To: apple@apnic.net From: Bala Pillai Subject: Evidence Status of Email Still Hazy in UK (fw) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk E-mail could be used as evidence Thursday, August 6, 1998 Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_146000/146437.stm The legal status of email remains hazy E-mail could be used as criminal evidence in UK courts. It all depends on where the e-mail was sent from, or which Internet provider was used. To date, the law covering the Internet is unclear, and there have been few court cases to provide guidance. But that may change after a series of meetings between the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) and leading UK internet providers (ISPs) who have been looking at how laws apply to the Web. According to Keith Mitchell, the chairman of ISP group LINX, e-mails sent via Internet providers could be used as evidence, but only if they are sent via companies who are not licenced as telephone operators. This is because telephone companies are covered by the Interception of Communications Act 1985. This allows police to tap telephone conversations, but what is said cannot be used as evidence. Some of the larger Internet providers, such as British Telecom and Demon Internet, are registered as telephone companies. Many others, including the Microsoft Network, Compuserve and AOL, are not. E-mail from your company is not private E-mail sent and received on a company's computer has always received less protection. Any information stored on a company's machines is that organisation's property - employers can read it and pass it on to police if they wish. Police can also request that Internet providers pass on information about general traffic patterns - who is communicating with whom - though they are not obliged to provide this without a warrant. Police 'not trying to circumvent the law' Detective Chief Superintendent Keith Akerman, who heads the computer crimes subcommittee of Acpo, confirms that he and Internet providers are trying to come up with a set of guidelines. "The last thing the police want to do is circumvent legislation," he said. He said the 1985 act is inadequate as it was not designed with the Internet in mind, but he and providers were trying to work out how to apply it fairly. The police and ISPs will be holding a series of seminars in September and October to look at this and other areas of Internet law. bala pillai* bala@sydney.net*the asia pacific internet co, sydney O N L I N E R O C K E T - F U E L E D C O M M U N I T I E S for info send blank ph:+61 2 9419 5333 fax: + 61 2 9419 5155 * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Sat Feb 13 09:14:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA21070; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:09:11 GMT Received: from armstrong.apic.net (armstrong.apic.net [203.22.101.2]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21065 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:09:09 GMT Received: from boss.apic.net (boss.apic.net [203.22.102.40]) by armstrong.apic.net (8.8.7/APIC-2.1) with SMTP id UAA16543 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:09:07 +1100 (EST) X-Org: The Asia Pacific Internet Company Pty. Ltd. X-URL: http://www.apic.net/ Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990213200604.017323e8@mail.apic.net> X-Sender: bala@mail.apic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:06:04 +1100 To: apple@apnic.net From: Bala Pillai Subject: Cyber-babu outlines vision for resurgent AP, India (fw) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Cyber-babu outlines vision for resurgent AP Source: http://www.ciol.com/newsroom/feb99/06.asp Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Chandrababu Naidu made a strong pitch at Davos to attract investors to his state, impressing them with his vision for the future and the progress initiated by his government over the past three years. Addressing CEOs of some of the largest multinational companies, investors from the Gulf and Europe and IT majors, Naidu spoke of his vision to develop his state and make it the most modern in India with an infrastructure comparable to that in industrialized countries. Outlining his plans to achieve full literacy for the state by the year 2010, Naidu said his government was investing large sums on health and education in order to improve human resources and create jobs at the grass roots and upper levels. While rural development was not ignored, he said his aim is to make Andhra Pradesh the next Silicon Valley of India. To this end, the government has added 22 engineering colleges specialising in computer courses to the existing 32 colleges in the state, he said. According to Naidu, information technology is already being used to give investments clearances and reply to tenders electronically to potential investors by the State Investment Promotion Board, thus moving towards total transparency. Empowerment of women is the buzz word in Andhra Pradesh, Naidu said. Though many are illiterate they are encouraged to save a rupee a day, thus generating more funds for their self-employment projects. The government, on its part, assists with information technology and advertising their handicrafts on the internet to be ordered by electronic commerce, he said. Excerpted from The Economic Times, 3 February 1999 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Bala Pillai bala@apic.net * For quick info send blank Founded 1996 * Asian Internet Chamber of Commerce online empowered community ph: +61 2 9419 5333 fax: +61 2 9419 5155 where 2000 pan-asian internet marketing, media and sales leaders mingle. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Sat Feb 13 09:14:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA21282; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:13:03 GMT Received: from mail1.ntu.edu.sg (mail1.ntu.edu.sg [155.69.1.33]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA21278 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:13:00 GMT Received: by mail1.ntu.edu.sg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <16289WAC>; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 17:08:09 +0800 Message-ID: <6665AC0C667ED11186E308002BB487E10300619B@exchange2> From: "Ang Peng Hwa (Dr)" To: "'APPLe'" Subject: Small town ISP fights Singapore ISP for name Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:12:25 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk http://www.uniontrib.com/news/computing/990211-128-pacificinter.html Folks, Above url leads to a story about an ISP in small town in Northern California called Pacific Internet challenging the Singapore ISP that went public on NASDAQ recently. The US company started in 1993. The Singapore company started in 1995. Story goes: Persky [the owner] said that his own little company has been completely disrupted for the past week with calls and e-mails from people wanting to invest in the Singapore company. "We got more hits the week they went public than we've had in the last seven months. I've been congratulated by people all over the world." Persky said. But Persky said he's not flattered. He's hired an attorney and plans to pursue protections for his company's name. Regards, Peng Hwa ANG * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Sat Feb 13 21:03:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id VAA25553; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 21:01:02 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA25537 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 21:00:59 GMT Received: from laina (sj-dial-1-57.cisco.com [171.68.179.58]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id MAA04700 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 12:57:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 99 04:47:45 From: Laina Raveendran Greene Subject: Announcing my move To: apple@apnic.net X-MAILER: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Just to let you know that as of January 1999, I have been homebased in Cupertino, California USA with my family Barry, Nishant and Sasha. Barry has joined the US Cisco office, and I explore opening a branch of GetIT in Silicon Valley. GetIT Singapore will continue to be functional so my contact details will remain the same. Virtually I will remain contactable at laina@getit.org and physically I will be down to Singapore at least once a month. No different from the frequent travel I do from Singapore anyway, so I will probably end up being in Singapore as often as I am now. My office and staff will continue to operate and will continue to serve my clients. If you have the need to contact me, please e-mail me at laina@getit.org and if you need to call, let me know and I will provide you our new contact details in the USA. I will also continue to support APPLe and other regional activities. Hope to see you at the APPLe meeting at APRICOT'99 in Singapore on the 5th March 1999, at Room 201 SunTec City, Singapore. REgards, Laina Raveendran Greene Chair, APPLe ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@getit.org This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Sun Feb 14 12:23:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id MAA12019; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:17:00 GMT Received: from svc00.apnic.net (svc00.apnic.net [202.12.28.131]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11987 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:16:46 GMT Received: from server.jad.net ([202.134.2.38]) by svc00.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12583 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:33:10 GMT Received: from oke.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by server.jad.net (8.8.5/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA27805; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:33:12 +0700 (JAVT) Message-ID: <36C6A5EC.7DFB7151@oke.com> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:31:08 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: comments@icann.org CC: MILIS APPLE , MILIS PAB Subject: My questions at the next Singapore meeting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello: These following will be my questions at next Singapore meeting: ================================================================== (1) The charter of IAB ------------------------------------------------------------ 2. The Role of the IAB: The IAB was chartered as a component of the Internet Society in June of 1992. Its responsibilities under this charter include: [...] (d) RFC Series and IANA The IAB is responsible for editorial management and publication of the Request for Comments (RFC) document series, and for administration of the various Internet assigned numbers. ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Regardless on who was paying IANA; was/isn't it an IAB activity? Please correct me if I am wrong. ================================================================== (2) http://www.iana.org/faqs.html ------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Why is this necessary? In the past, IANA's activity was supported by the United States government. [...] 3. Who gives you the authority to do this? The United States government, as a custodian of the work started by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency and now supported by National Science Foundation funding that created the Internet and IANA, is providing guidelines for an organization to carry out this work. The Internet community is continuing to provide the authority. -------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> In my understanding, the USG has provided the "funds", however, the authority came from the "Internet Community" (whatever that is). Please correct me if I am wrong or not so correct! ==================================================================== (3) WhiteAlbum --------------------------------------------------------------- SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION:Background: [...] U.S. Role in DNS Development: [...] After Dr. Postel moved from UCLA to the Information Sciences Institute (ISI) at the University of Southern California (USC), he continued to maintain the list of assigned Internet numbers and names under contracts with DARPA. SRI International continued to publish the lists. As the lists grew, DARPA permitted Dr. Postel to delegate additional administrative aspects of the list maintenance to SRI, under continuing technical oversight. Dr. Postel, under the DARPA contracts, also published a list of technical parameters that had been assigned for use by protocol developers. Eventually these functions collectively became known as the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA). [...] 4) Protocol Assignment. The Internet protocol suite, as defined by the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), contains many technical parameters, including protocol numbers, port numbers, autonomous system numbers, management information base object identifiers and others. The common use of these protocols by the Internet community requires that the particular values used in these fields be assigned uniquely. Currently, IANA, under contract with DARPA, makes these assignments and maintains a registry of the assigned values. ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> The "DARPA contract" rings a bell, however until now, it is not clear about what exactly the contract was. Is it possible to disclose those contracts for reducing equivocality? ================================================================== (4) ICANN ------------------------------------------------------------- The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) is the new non-profit corporation that was formed to take over responsibility for the IP address space allocation, protocol parameter assignment, domain name system management, and root server system management functions now performed under U.S. Government contract by IANA and other entities. ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> As a consensus is not usually based on a top-down authority model, I can not understand on how ICANN can "take control" over a consensus. In this current situation, only Microsoft (the IETF's T-Shirt sponsor) is capable to do that (control) by redirecting the root server factory set table of their O/S to wherever they want to. Moreover, what if the IETF (whatever that is) ain't delegate the IPv6 address space to ICANN? Please correct me if I am wrong. best regards, -- Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim --- http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 --- - Join us now and share the software;You'll be free, hackers (rms6) - Hoarders may get piles of money, but cannot help their neighbors- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Sun Feb 14 12:42:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id IAA18672; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 08:16:04 GMT Received: from svc00.apnic.net (svc00.apnic.net [202.12.28.131]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA18664 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 08:15:55 GMT Received: from server.jad.net ([202.134.2.38]) by svc00.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA11124 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 08:03:20 GMT Received: from oke.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by server.jad.net (8.8.5/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA27566; Sun, 14 Feb 1999 15:03:33 +0700 (JAVT) Message-ID: <36C682DD.B23CBC22@oke.com> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:01:33 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: MILIS gnM-DICK , MILIS APPLE Subject: An IPv6 Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Please forward this to places that might be interested in IT.] A mailing list has been established for early adopters of IPv6 who need help setting up their IPv6 based networks and network stacks, connecting to the 6bone, getting applications to work with IPv6 and similar problems. The mailing list, , may be subscribed to by sending with the words "subscribe users" in the body of the message. Note that although developers of IPv6 stacks are strongly encouraged to join the mailing list to help the early adopters, this list is not intended for discussions of IPv6 stack development issues -- it is there to help the users of the technology. ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim - mailto:rms46@oke.com http://vlsm.id.org - - Join us now and share the software;You'll be free, hackers - rms6 * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Mon Feb 15 10:43:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA16021; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:39:40 GMT Received: from armstrong.apic.net (armstrong.apic.net [203.22.101.2]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA16014 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:39:36 GMT Received: from boss.apic.net (boss.apic.net [203.22.102.40]) by armstrong.apic.net (8.8.7/APIC-2.1) with SMTP id VAA04263 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:39:33 +1100 (EST) X-Org: The Asia Pacific Internet Company Pty. Ltd. X-URL: http://www.apic.net/ Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990215213638.01d648f8@mail.apic.net> X-Sender: bala@mail.apic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:36:38 +1100 To: apple@apnic.net From: Bala Pillai Subject: Information Warfare (long) (fw) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Remember, the biggest center for developing new computer software is not Silicon Valley but Madras, India." INFORMATION WARFARE Prof George J. Stein Source: http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/stein.doc [Disclaimer The conclusions and opinions expressed in this document are those of the author cultivated in the freedom of expression, academic environment of Air University. They do not reflect the official position of the US Government, Department of Defense, the United States Air Force or the Air University.] We need to state up front that much of what is discussed in this essay on information warfare is unofficial speculation. There is no official, open-source US government definition of information warfare. The Department of Defense calls its current thinking and approach to information warfare "command and control warfare" (C2W).1 There is little agreement among the services about either information warfare or C2W; and among civilian defense analysts looking at the issues of information warfare, there is even less agreement. Why, then, should we be thinking about this new and strange idea? The chief reason, of course, is that while we don't know just what we've got here, all the services agree that information warfare is something important.2 Was Desert Storm the first war of third-wave information warfare or the last war of mechanized second-wave industrial warfare?3 We're not sure, but a lot of people, including potential rivals, are trying to figure it out.4 This article attempts to make some sense of this new idea called information warfare. We'll look at four sets of ideas: (1) A definition of information warfare; (2) How we should start thinking about developing a strategy of information warfare; (3) Why current Air Force doctrine may be the best framework for developing a doctrine of information warfare; and (4) A very brief comment on the danger of failing to develop information warfare.=20 Defining Information Warfare Information warfare, in its largest sense, is simply the use of information to achieve our national objectives. Like diplomacy, economic competition, or the use of military force, information in itself is a key aspect of national power and, more importantly, is becoming an increasingly vital national resource that supports diplomacy, economic competition, and the effective employment of military forces. Information warfare in this sense can be seen as societal-level or nation-to-nation conflict waged, in part, through the worldwide internetted and interconnected means of information and communication.5 What this means is that information warfare, in its most fundamental sense, is the emerging "theater" in which future nation-against-nation conflict at the strategic level is most likely to occur. Information warfare is also changing the way theater or operational-level combat and everyday military activities are conducted. Finally, information warfare may be the theater in which "operations other than war" are conducted, especially as it may permit the United States to accomplish some important national security goals without the need for forward-deployed military forces in every corner of the planet. Information warfare, then, may define future warfare or, to put it another way, be the central focus for thinking about conflict in the future. Information warfare, in its essence, is about ideas and epistemology_big words meaning that information warfare is about the way humans think and, more important, the way humans make decisions. And although information warfare would be waged largely, but not entirely, through the communication nets of a society or its military, it is fundamentally not about satellites, wires, and computers. It is about influencing human beings and the decisions they make. The greatest single threat faced by the Air Force, and by the services in general, as we begin to think about information warfare is that we will yield to our usual temptation to adopt the new technologies, especially information technologies, as merely force multipliers for the current way we do business.6 It would be a strategic mistake of historical proportions to focus narrowly on the technologies; force the technologies of information warfare to fit familiar, internally defined models like speed, precision, and lethality; and miss the vision and opportunity for a genuine military revolution. Information warfare is real warfare; it is about using information to create such a mismatch between us and an opponent that, as Sun Tzu would argue, the opponent's strategy is defeated before his first forces can be deployed or his first shots fired. The target of information warfare, then, is the human mind, especially those minds that make the key decisions of war or peace and, from the military perspective, those minds that make the key decisions on if, when, and how to employ the assets and capabilities embedded in their strategic structures. One could argue that certain aspects of the cold war such as Radio Free Europe, Radio Mart=ED, or the US Information Agency were a dress rehearsal for information warfare. One could argue that certain current capabilities in psychological operations (PSYOP), public affairs and civil affairs, together with the intelligence agencies, satellite drivers, communications specialists, computer wizards, and the men and women in agencies like the Air Intelligence Agency or the new Joint Information Warfare Center, represent some of the key learning environments in which we'll develop some of the new capabilities for information warfare.7 And while the concept of information warfare in its computer, electronic warfare, and communications net version is most familiar in military operations involving traditional state-to-state conflict, there are new and dangerous players in "cyberspace"_the battlefield for information warfare. There has been a proliferation of such players_ nonstate political actors such as Greenpeace, Amnesty International, rogue computer hackers like the Legion of Doom, some third world "rebel" who stages a "human rights abuse" for the Cable News Network (CNN), or ideological/religious inspired terrorists with easy access to worldwide computer and communications networks to influence, to exchange information, or to coordinate political action on a global basis. All of this suggests that the military or governments of a traditional nation-state may not be the only serious threat to our security or the driver of our national security politics.8 Cyberspace may be the new "battlespace," but the battle remains the battle for the mind. There must be no confusion of the battlespace with the= battle.=20 Let's take a look at this in a context we think we're familiar with: propaganda as an effort to influence national morale and support for the nation's armed forces. The Vietnam War taught us the consequences of winning every battle in the field and losing the information war on the home front. Before the advent of information warfare, propaganda was traditionally targeted through various mass media to influence a mass audience. One key change made possible by the new technologies is the potential for customized propaganda. Those who have received individually targeted political advertising from a company specializing in "niche" marketing research must have had a momentary shudder when they realized that there are private companies who seem to know everything about their buying habits and tastes, whether they support the National Rifle Association or attend Tailhook conventions, and what television shows they watch. Every credit card purchase adds data to someone's resources, and not everybody is selling just soap or politicians. Contemporary public and commercial databases and the constantly expanding number of sources, media, and channels for the transmission of information, essentially available to anyone with a bit of money or skill, have created the opportunity and "target sets" for custom-tailored information warfare attacks on, to take just one example, the families of deployed military personnel. Think about the morale implications of that for a minute. Computer bulletin boards, cellular telephones, video cameras, and fax machines_all of these provide entry points and dissemination nets for customized propaganda assaults by our opponents on military, governmental, economic, key civilian strategic structures, or even the home checking accounts of deployed troops.9 Operations security (OPSEC) is increasingly a most vital military security issue. However, information warfare should not be confused with or limited to just propaganda, deception, or traditional electronic warfare. A major new factor in information war is the worldwide infosphere of television and broadcast news. Information warfare at the strategic level is the "battle off the battlefield" to shape the political context of the conflict. It will define the new "battlespace." We face an "integrated battlefield," not in the usual sense of having a global positioning system (GPS) receiver in every tank or cockpit but in the Clausewitzian sense that war is being integrated into the political almost simultaneously with the battle. Many people suspect that the national command authorities (NCA) are in danger of becoming increasingly "reactive" to a "fictive" universe created by CNN, its various international competitors, or even a terrorist with a video camera.10 This media-created universe we live in is fictive rather than "fictional" because although what we see on CNN is "true," it is just not the whole, relevant, or contextual truth. Nevertheless, this fictive universe becomes the politically relevant universe in which the government or the armed forces are supposed to "do something." Members of Congress, the national command authorities, and our mothers all watch the "instant news" followed by "instant" second-guessing commentary. This is increasingly the commander's nightmare. First, 15 congressmen are calling the chairman of the Joint Chiefs to ask whether retired admiral so-and-so's critical analysis on "Nightline" of the CINC's ongoing theater air campaign is valid. More importantly, 300 congressmen are also getting 10,000 calls, E-mails, faxes, and even letters from angry families who've just seen the television report (carefully "leaked" to French television by an unhappy defense contractor and innocently repeated by CNN) that the US military-issue antimalaria pills don't work in Bongo-Bongo. All this without the real "bad guys" trying their hand at information war. Use your imagination. Somalia gets in the news, and we get into Somalia despite the reality of equally disastrous starvation, disorder, and rapine right next door in Sudan. The truth is that there were no reporters with "skylink" in Sudan because the government of Sudan issued no visas to CNN reporters. We all know the impact of the pictures of the failed raid to capture Mohamed Farah Aidid in Somalia. The potential, then, for governments, militaries, parties in a civil war such as Bosnia, or even religious fanatics to manipulate the multimedia, multisource fictive universe of "the battle off the battlefield" for strategic information dominance should be obvious.11 The armed services are just beginning to think about how these new technologies of instant communication will change the battlespace, and, quite frankly, there are not many good answers yet.=20 Fictive or fictional operational environments, then, whether mass-targeted or niche-targeted, can be generated, transmitted, distributed, or broadcast by governments or all sorts of players through increasingly diversified networks. The information war potential available to states or other players with access to the universe of internetted communications to use the networks over which banking information is transmitted to suggest that a "hostile" state is about to devalue its currency could easily provoke financial chaos.12 Direct satellite radio or television broadcasts to selected audiences, analogous to central control of pay-per-view programs, again offers the potential for people in one province or region of a targeted state to discover that the maximum leader has decided to purge soldiers from their clan or tribe from the army. Your own imagination can provide many examples of how the increasingly multisource communications systems offer both the armed forces and the national command authorities countless new possibilities for societal-level information warfare to shape the information battlespace to our advantage.=20 Let us take just one example of how current technologies could be used for strategic-level information warfare. If, say, the capabilities of already well-known Hollywood technologies to simulate reality were added to our arsenal, a genuinely revolutionary new form of warfare would become possible. Today, the techniques of combining live actors with computer-generated video graphics can easily create a "virtual" news conference, summit meeting, or perhaps even a battle that would exist in "effect" though not in physical fact. Stored video images can be recombined or "morphed" endlessly to produce any effect chosen. This moves well beyond traditional military deception, and now, perhaps, "pictures" will be worth a thousand tanks. Imagine the effect of a nationwide broadcast in banditland of the meeting between the "digitized" maximum leader and a "digitized" Jimmy Carter in which all loyal soldiers are told to cease fighting and return to their homes. The targets of information warfare, remember, are the decisions in the opponent's mind, and the battlespace of the human mind is also the zone of illusion. Let's play with this a bit. Through hitching a ride on an unsuspecting commercial satellite, a fictive simulation is broadcast. This may not be science fiction, and readers of Tom Clancy's latest novel Debt of Honor will suspect it's not. Simultaneously, various "info-niches" in the target state are accessed via the net. Some of the targets receive reinforcement for the fictive simulation; others receive slightly misleading variations of the target state's anticipated responses, and the whole of the opponent's military is subject to a massive electronic deception operation. What is happening here? =20 At the strategic level, this is the paralysis of the adversary's observation, orientation, decision, action (OODA) loop.13 The opponent's ability to "observe" is either flooded or very slightly and subtly assaulted by contradictory information and data. More importantly, his ability to "orient" is degraded by the assault on the very possibility of objective reasoning as we replace his "known" universe with our alternative reality. His "decisions" respond increasingly to our fictive or virtual universe, and, most importantly, military "actions" within his strategic structures become increasingly paralyzed as there is no rational relationship of means to ends. What he does is not based on reality because we've changed his reality. This is real war fighting. It would seem, then, that if we can develop a strategic vision and real capability for information warfare, we can bring American strategic power within sight of that elusive "acme of skill" wherein the opponent is subdued without killing as we destroy his ability to form or execute a coherent strategy. How, then, do we think about developing information warfare strategy? Developing Information Warfare Strategy Developing a strategy of information warfare starts with serious, creative, and "color-outside-the-lines" thinking about current information technologies and ways in which these might be turned to strategic purpose to serve the national command authorities and military use. This will involve thinking about information in new ways: What information is needed? What organizational changes would occur in the way we gather, process, distribute, and use information? What information-based operational changes could then happen? The services are starting this new thinking under the label "command and control warfare." This, however, is only the first step, as the "digitized battlefield" fails to revolutionize strategic thinking. Let's illustrate this with a bit of history. As Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich observed, some time before the American Civil War, the Prussian general Helmuth von Moltke was thinking about railroads and telegraphs: If we used the telegraph to relay mobilization orders quickly and then used railroads to concentrate troops from bases scattered throughout Prussia, we could concentrate the main effort at the key battle location of a campaign. We wouldn't have to mobilize the army, then concentrate it, then march it to where we hoped the key battle would occur.16 Good insight. And this, unfortunately, is about where we are when we think of information warfare as only command and control warfare.17 That is, how does this technology permit tanks, ships, and aircraft to do what they do now a bit better. It was Moltke's next insight, argues Speaker Gingrich, that the Joint Staff and the services need to imitate:=20 But the Prussian army is not organized, nor does it operate in a way that would permit it to respond to telegraphed orders to get on trains and show up somewhere else. That's not how we organize, train, and equip. What I need to do is reform the way to get the information needed to do this, the way we're organized so we can use this information, and figure-out new ways to operate; what I need is a new General Staff system.18 So Count von Moltke realized that before he could make revolutionary use of the new technology, he had to solve the higher-order question of what changes in information, organization, and operations would be needed. This is the challenge we face now. The armed forces have a good idea that information technologies just might be the driver in future warfare, but we haven't yet articulated the strategic vision or identified the higher-order changes we need to make to really make this all come together. Now, let's add another idea_this time from the Air Force heritage. In some ways, "info-warriors" are like Gen William ("Billy") Mitchell and the pioneer league of airmen. They see the potential. Mitchell's vision of the potential for airpower drove, at great cost to himself but great benefit to the nation, the development of a new form of warfare. Now here's the key point. Once the vision of strategic airpower was presented clearly, once people were able to say, "Yes, I see how this could change warfare," then the technologies followed: "Oh, air bombing_you'll need a bombsight." "Oh, enemy aircraft_we'll need some kind of detection system; let's call it radar." This is the point_the technology is not just a force multiplier. It is the interaction of strategic vision with new technology that will produce the revolution in military affairs and a new warfare form.= =20 This, then, is the challenge of information warfare. Is there something about information and the information technologies that would permit us to create such a mismatch between what, when, and how we and our opponents observe, orient, decide, and act or such a level of "information dominance" that the opponent is helpless_and not just on the battlefield? Is there a way we could use information, like current theories of airpower, to create an "information campaign" that engages an opponent simultaneously in time, space, and depth across the full range of his strategic structures so that the result is strategic paralysis (he is deaf, dumb, and blind to anything except that which we permit him to hear, say, or see)?19 Not that we just blind him, but that he sees what we wish him to see without realizing that it's "our" reality, not his. Can we envision that kind of strategic information warfare? And, as was the case with airpower, technology will follow strategic vision. It's OK if we can't insert computer viruses by direct satellite broadcast_today; fry every air defense radar with an electromagnetic burst from a remote unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV)_today; transfer all the dictator's Swiss bank accounts to the internal revenue service (IRS)_today; project holographic images, complete with proper electronic signatures, of 15 squadrons coming in from the north when we're coming in the back door_today; or beam the Forrest Gump interview with "El Supremo" into every radio and television in banditland_today. Develop the strategic theory of information warfare, and the technology will come.=20 Information Warfare Doctrine There is, of course, no official information warfare doctrine and the efforts of the various services to describe command and control warfare as the military application of information warfare remain incomplete. For the Air Force to focus almost exclusively on C2W that is defined as the "integration, coordination, deconfliction, and synchronization" of OPSEC, deception, PSYOP, electronic warfare, and physical destruction efforts targeted against the opponent's fielded military forces represents a failure to appreciate either air and space power or to appreciate how airpower doctrine could guide the development of an information warfare campaign. How, then, might we use current Air Force doctrine as presented in Air Force Manual (AFM) 1-1, Basic Aerospace Doctrine of the United States Air Force, as a template to start thinking about information warfare? First, assume that information warfare is warfare in the information realm as is air warfare in the air and space realms. As the objective of air warfare is to control the air realm in order to exploit it while protecting friendly forces from enemy actions in the air realm, so the objective of information warfare is to control the "infosphere" in order to exploit it while protecting friendly forces from hostile actions taken via the information realm. Thus, as air control is usually described as counterair, with offensive and defensive counterair, so any strategy and doctrine of information control must address counterinformation in terms of offensive and defensive counterinformation. Offensive counterinformation, like offensive counterair, could be seen as involving information exploitation through psychological operations, deception, electronic warfare, or physical attack and information protection as, again, physical attack, electronic warfare (EW), and, often overlooked, public and civil affairs. Defensive counterinformation, like defensive counterair, would include active protection such as physical defense, OPSEC, communications security, computer security, counterintelligence, and, again, public affairs. Passive protection would include standard ideas like hardening sites and physical security. =09 If control, or dominance, of the information realm is the goal, like air control, it is not an end in itself but the condition to permit the exploitation of information dominance for, as in air doctrine, strategic attack, interdiction, or close "battlefield" support through C2W attack. Information dominance of both the strategic "battle off the battlefield" and the operational "information battlespace" is, like air and space control for traditional surface warfare, the key to strategic effect. The relevance of airpower doctrinal thinking for information warfare now becomes obvious. A review of the history of the airpower debates would show, in part, that those who insisted that airplanes were merely a force multiplier to provide close air support for the "real" effort would never recognize the strategic potential of airpower or support the acquisition of technologies for strategic air missions. As long as information warfare thinking is dominated by a doctrine that argues that the only information warfare mission relevant to the armed forces is command and control warfare and that C2W is merely a force multiplier against the communications and information assets of the fielded enemy forces, the potential for the exploitation of information dominance for strategic information warfare and, again, the identification and acquisition of key technologies will be missed. C2W, like close air support, is a vital military mission. It is, in fact, a central component of information warfare, but, like close air support and other "traditional" battle-oriented missions, not the whole story. The challenge is to use Air Force doctrine as the foundation to envision the "Information Campaign," which, like the "Air Campaign" in the Gulf War, is of strategic significance. What, for example, would "speed, precision, and lethality" be in an "info-strike?" Epilogue: Danger of Not Developing Information Warfare Strategy If the world really is moving into a third-wave, information-based era, failure to develop a strategy for both defensive and offensive information warfare could put the United States and the US military into the situation of being on the receiving end of an "Electronic Pearl Harbor."20 Information is fluid; the advantages we now have, and which were demonstrated in the Gulf War, could be lost because we have very little control over the diffusion of information technology.21 Second, it's a smaller world, and our potential opponents can observe our technologies and operational innovations and copy ours without them having to invent new ones for themselves.22 Remember, the biggest center for developing new computer software is not Silicon Valley but Madras, India. What will they sell to whom? Finally, and to return to an earlier point, if the US military approaches information warfare merely as a force multiplier and adapts bits and pieces of technology to just do our current way of warfare a bit better_if we "digitize the battlefield" for an endless rerun of mechanized desert warfare_the real danger will be that someone else will refuse to play the game our way. What if they, like Count von Moltke or General Mitchell, think real hard, purchase the dual-use technologies on the free world market, alter their whole strategic concept, and make the leap to a strategy of information warfare?=20 We do not yet have a strategy of information warfare, and we have not answered the higher-order questions of how we would reorganize, retrain, and reequip for third-wave warfare. But if any of this has made even some sense, you now know the urgent requirement for developing the vision that produces the strategy. The strategy will identify the technologies, organizational changes, and new concepts of operations. We must really become like von Moltke and Billy Mitchell_"If we could use this to do that, then we could. . . ." =20 Notes 1. Joint Chiefs of Staff, Memorandum of Policy 30, subject: Command and Control Warfare, 8 March 1993. 2. Gen Gordan R. Sullivan and Col James M. Dubik, "War in the Information Age," Military Review 74 (April 1994): 46-62. 3. Alan D. Campen, ed., The First Information War: The Story of Communications, Computers and Intelligence Systems (Fairfax, Va.: AFCEA International Press, 1992). 4. Mary C. Fitzgerald, "Russian Views on Information Warfare," Army 44, no. 5 (May 1994): 57-59. 5. John Arquilla and David Ronfeldt, "Cyberwar is Coming!" Comparative Strategy 12 (April-June, 1993): 141-65. 6. Carl H. Builder, The Icarus Syndrome: The Role of Air Power Theory in the Evolution and State of the U.S. Air Force, (New Brunswick, N.J.: Transaction Publishers, 1994). 7. "Information Dominance Edges toward New Conflict Frontier," Signal 48 (August, 1994): 37-39. 8. Winn Schwartau, Information Warfare: Chaos on the Electronic Superhighway (New York: Thunder's Mouth Press, 1994). 9. Peter Black, "Soft Kill: Fighting Infrastructure Wars in the 21st Century," Wired, July-August 1993; 49-50. 10. Douglas V. Johnson, The Impact of the Media on National Security Decision Making (Carlisle Barracks, Pa.: Strategic Studies Institute, US Army War College, 1994). 11. John Arquilla, "The Strategic Implications of Information Dominance," Strategic Review 22, no. 3 (Summer 1994): 24-30. 12. H. D. Arnold et al., "Targeting Financial Systems as Centers of Gravity: `Low Intensity' to `No Intensity' Conflict," Defense Analysis 10 (August 1994): 181-208. 13. John R. Boyd, "A Discourse on Winning and Losing," 1987. Unpublished set of briefing slides available at Air University Library, Maxwell AFB, Alabama. 14. Maj George E. Orr, Combat Operations C3I: Fundamentals and Interactions (Maxwell AFB, Ala.: Air University Press, 1983); and Frank M. Snyder, Command and Control: The Literature and Commentaries (Washington, D.C.: National Defense University Press, 1993). 15. Lt Col Norman B. Hutcherson, Command and Control Warfare: Putting Another Tool in the War-fighter's Data Base (Maxwell AFB, Ala.: Air University Press, September 1994). 16. Newt Gingrich, "Information Warfare: Definition, Doctrine and Direction," address to the National Defense University, Washington, D.C., 3 May 1994. 17. Joint Publication 3-13, "Joint Command and Control Warfare (C2W) Operations," second draft (Joint Chiefs of Staff, Washington, D.C., 15 January 1994). 18. Gingrich address. 19. John A. Warden III, The Air Campaign: Planning for Combat (Washington, D.C.: National Defense University Press, 1988). 20. Alvin and Heidi Toffler, War and Anti-War: Survival at the Dawn of the 21st Century (Boston, Mass.: Little, Brown and Co., 1993). 21. V.K. Nair, War in the Gulf: Lessons for the Third World (New Delhi, India: Lancer International, 1991), see especially chap. 4, "Role of Electronics in the Gulf War," and chap. 5, "Desert Storm: Air Power and Modern War." 22. Jean Pichot-Duclos, "Toward a French `Economic Intelligence' Model," Defense Nationale, January 1994, 73-85 in Federal Broadcast Information Service: West Europe, 25 January 1994, 26-31. bala pillai* bala@sydney.net*the asia pacific internet co, sydney O N L I N E R O C K E T - F U E L E D C O M M U N I T I E S for info send blank ph:+61 2 9419 5333 fax: + 61 2 9419 5155 * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Tue Feb 16 22:53:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id WAA03542; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:48:35 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA03538 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:48:32 GMT Received: from bgreenent1 (sj-dial-1-120.cisco.com [171.68.179.121]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id OAA10576 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:45:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Barry Raveendran Greene" To: "APPLe" Subject: ICANN Running Out of Funds, Appeals for More Cash Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 14:45:32 +0800 Message-ID: <00a501be5977$f32a0470$0300000a@bgreenent1.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ICANN Running Out of Funds, Appeals for More Cash http://www.totaltele.com/secure/view.asp?ArticleID=21332&Pub=tt&categoryid=6 26 RDSL 15 February 1999 Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN), non-profit institution shortly to assume Internet numbering and name addressing control, is running out of funds, according to Vint Cerf, co-developer of TCP/IP. The Global Internet Project, of which Cerf is a part, started a drive for ICANN funding in September 1998, but has so far raised only USDlr250k of the USDlr500k it pledged itself to fund. According to Cerf, ICANN now needs a minimum of USDlr1-2 mil to continue. ICANN's main expense is administration. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ APRICOT (Asia & Pacific Rim Internet Conference on Operational Technologies) Singapore March 1 - 5, 1999 -- The Annual ISP Operations and Business Summit in Asia and Pacific -- http://www.apricot.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Wed Feb 17 02:26:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id CAA15652; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 02:24:40 GMT Received: from server.jad.net ([202.134.2.38]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA15644 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 02:24:35 GMT Received: from oke.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by server.jad.net (8.8.5/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA09877; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:24:59 +0700 (JAVT) Message-ID: <36CA27E8.C48EDF3B@oke.com> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:22:33 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS gnM-DICK CC: MILIS APPLE Subject: (FWD, Y2K) May The Truth Be With You Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (This is a forward from Leon Kappelman) Not since I was so candid as to point out that Apple Macs had Y2K problems too have I gotten so many emails in one day about one of my InformationWeek columns. This time, however, they were all positive (-: Complete column in February 15th InformationWeek, at http://www.year2000.unt.edu/kappelma/selective.htm, or http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?IWK19990215S0075. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Wed Feb 17 13:00:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id MAA08629; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:55:35 GMT Received: from armstrong.apic.net (armstrong.apic.net [203.22.101.2]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08623 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:55:30 GMT Received: from boss.apic.net (boss.apic.net [203.22.102.40]) by armstrong.apic.net (8.8.7/APIC-2.1) with SMTP id XAA06776; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:55:12 +1100 (EST) X-Org: The Asia Pacific Internet Company Pty. Ltd. X-URL: http://www.apic.net/ Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990217235201.01220890@mail.apic.net> X-Sender: bala@mail.apic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:52:01 +1100 To: ph-isp@iphil.net From: Bala Pillai Subject: Pan-European Anti Metering/Anti- DinosaurTelco Boycott Successful (fw) Cc: apple@apnic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Pan-European Anti Metering/Anti- DinosaurTelco Boycott Successful (fw) European Net boycott bites Source: - BBC News http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/sci/tech/newsid_269000/269974.stm Organisers of a 24-hour Internet boycott in seven European countries on Sunday are claiming a significant success. The Net strikes in Belgium, France, Italy, Poland, Portugal, Spain and Switzerland were the first coordinated European actions in protest against high access charges. The first groups to report on the effects of the strike - the Association of Internauts in Spain and the Association of Dissatisfied Netsurfers in France - said traffic was down considerably on a normal Sunday. The Spanish group said e-mail usage was 87% down. The French group said the number of people taking part in discussion groups had declined by between eight and 62% during the day. Visits to some popular sites had dropped by as much as 65%. The national phone company, France Telecom, had no immediate comment on the strike. The boycott was coordinated by the UK-based Campaign for Unmetered Telecommunications (CUT) which has developed a website and a mailing list to combine the different national campaigns. In most cases, the strikes are against national telecom companies in protest at call charges imposed for accessing the Internet, which is seen as a major drag on the growth of Internet usage. bala pillai* bala@sydney.net*the asia pacific internet co, sydney O N L I N E R O C K E T - F U E L E D C O M M U N I T I E S for info send blank ph:+61 2 9419 5333 fax: + 61 2 9419 5155 * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Thu Feb 18 08:02:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA18209; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 07:34:16 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA18200 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 07:34:13 GMT Received: from laina (sj-dial-1-46.cisco.com [171.68.179.47]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id XAA19117; Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:34:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 99 15:01:13 From: Laina Raveendran Greene Subject: APPLe program at APRICOT X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk The draft program for the APPLe session/APRICOT POlicy Track is now up at the APRICOT website at http://www.apng.org/apricot99 under Conference Policy Track. More information on APPLe can be found at www.apng.org/apple. For your information, it is S$50 for those interested in attending only the Policy Track/APPLe and is included in the full conference fee for APRICOT attendees. Please register ASAP so we can accomodate you for the APPLe lunch. The APPLe track is sponsored by the Commercial Internet Exchange (CIX) and organised by GetIT. Laina RG, Facilitator (Chair) APPLe Managing Director, GetIT Pte Ltd ------------------------------------- @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ LAUNCH OF FIRST AND ONLY MULTIMEDIA CDROM ON INTERNET POLICY ISSUES, 3rd March,Suntec City, Level 3, Room 313, 6pm.For more information and registration details check our website at www.getit.org CDROM sponsored by Cisco System, and supported by APDIP/UNDP/UNOPS. Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@getit.org Date: 18/02/99 Time: 15:01:13 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Sat Feb 20 01:42:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id BAA08759; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:40:05 GMT Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA08754 for ; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 01:40:02 GMT Received: from IST.SYR.EDU (ist.syr.edu [128.230.182.180]) by syr.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16894 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:35:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from IST/SpoolDir by IST.SYR.EDU (Mercury 1.21); 19 Feb 99 20:39:59 EDT Received: from SpoolDir by IST (Mercury 1.21); 19 Feb 99 20:39:46 EDT Received: from syr.edu by IST.SYR.EDU (Mercury 1.21) with ESMTP; 19 Feb 99 20:39:44 EDT Message-ID: <36CE1288.8019D644@syr.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:40:24 -0500 From: Milton Mueller Reply-To: mueller@syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: apple Subject: Casual survey on ICANN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am preparing an article on ICANN for a professional association with a substantial readership. I have my own opinions and ideas about ICANN, of course, but would like to solicit some broader sense of where people stand. On these lists, it is often hard to see the forest for the trees. I'm really interested in where people stand on this spectrum: 1. ICANN is an unmitigated disaster and should be resisted, ignored or even destroyed 2. ICANN is imperfect and problematical but it is worth investing time and effort in attempts to improve it and get it on the right track 3. ICANN is reasonably responsive and is doing a difficult job as best as could be expected If you could respond by telling me whether 1, 2, or 3 best describes your feelings I'd appreciate it. More complex assessments are of course welcome. I won't quote anybody without soliciting and receiving your consent. --MM * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Sat Feb 20 04:40:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id EAA14494; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 04:40:31 GMT Received: from server.jad.net ([202.134.2.38]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA14487 for ; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 04:40:24 GMT Received: from oke.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by server.jad.net (8.8.5/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA23651; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:39:07 +0700 (JAVT) Message-ID: <36CE3BB0.12F433F8@oke.com> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 12:36:00 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS APPLE CC: MILIS gnM-DICK Subject: Re: Casual survey on ICANN References: <36CE1288.8019D644@syr.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > 1. ICANN is an unmitigated disaster and should be resisted, > ignored or even destroyed Hello? > 2. ICANN is imperfect and problematical but it is worth > investing time and effort in attempts to improve it and get it > on the right track Indeed? > 3. ICANN is reasonably responsive and is doing a difficult job > as best as could be expected ICANN is perhaps yet another Best Current Practice. Obviously, a lot room for improvements as well as hardwork are needed! Nonetheless, the idea that the BoDs should be "representative" of whatever is not a good idea in general. BoD should be filled by competent fellows. However, perhaps there is a problem of "competent is not represented equally"? Gong Xi Fa Cai, -- Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim --- http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825/ -- - Join us now and share the software;You'll be free, hackers - rms6 * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Sat Feb 20 08:45:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id IAA24270; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 08:44:27 GMT Received: from server.jad.net ([202.134.2.38]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA24265; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 08:44:20 GMT Received: from oke.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by server.jad.net (8.8.5/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA24217; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:43:30 +0700 (JAVT) Message-ID: <36CE729D.E7AFD2C7@oke.com> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:30:21 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: anne@apnic.net CC: MILIS APPLE , MILIS gnM-DICK Subject: APNIC IPv6 (http://www.apnic.net/policydraft.html) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello: You still referring to RFC1466? How about RFC2050? For more accurate information, see also: regards, -- Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim --- http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825/ -- - Join us now and share the software;You'll be free, hackers - rms6 * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Sat Feb 20 13:00:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id MAA04675; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 12:59:24 GMT Received: from server.jad.net ([202.134.2.38]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA04668 for ; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 12:59:18 GMT Received: from oke.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by server.jad.net (8.8.5/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA24762; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:59:58 +0700 (JAVT) Message-ID: <36CEABB3.7088CB2E@oke.com> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:33:55 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS APPLE CC: MILIS gnM-DICK Subject: Re: ICANN Running Out of Funds, Appeals for More Cash References: <00a501be5977$f32a0470$0300000a@bgreenent1.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barry Raveendran Greene wrote: > > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN), > non-profit institution shortly to assume Internet numbering > and name addressing control, is running out of funds, according > to Vint Cerf, co-developer of TCP/IP. Just wondering, why does this information not appear at ? regards, -- Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim --- http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825/ -- - Join us now and share the software;You'll be free, hackers - rms6 * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Sat Feb 20 14:05:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA06788; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:05:09 GMT Received: from postman.bayarea.net (postman.bayarea.net [205.219.84.13]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06782 for ; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:05:07 GMT Received: from shell2.bayarea.net (shell2.bayarea.net [205.219.84.7]) by postman.bayarea.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26694; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 06:05:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dcrocker@localhost) by shell2.bayarea.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id GAA22462; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 06:05:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.25.19990220215640.00ac3a80@shell2.bayarea.net> X-Sender: dcrocker@shell2.bayarea.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.25 (Beta) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 22:02:05 +0800 To: mueller@syr.edu From: Dave Crocker Subject: Re: Casual survey on ICANN Cc: apple In-Reply-To: <36CE1288.8019D644@syr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Milton, At 08:40 PM 2/19/99 -0500, Milton Mueller wrote: >1. ICANN is an unmitigated disaster and should be resisted, >ignored or even destroyed In other words: It's terrible >2. ICANN is imperfect and problematical but it is worth In other words: It's not very good >3. ICANN is reasonably responsive and is doing a difficult job In other words: It's tolerable (maybe). That's a hell of a 3-point survey scale. Before conducting a survey, please consider learning a bit about the problems with biasing results. I'm assuming that lack of knowledge accounts for the tone of the questions you formulated, rather than your having knowledgeable intent at producing such negative results. d/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dave Crocker Tel: +60 (19) 3299 445 Post Office Box 296, U.P.M. Serdang, Selangor 43400 MALAYSIA Brandenburg Consulting Tel: +1 (408) 246 8253 Fax: +1(408)273 6464 675 Spruce Dr., Sunnyvale, CA 94086 USA * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Sat Feb 20 16:47:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA13064; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:46:38 GMT Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13057 for ; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:46:33 GMT Received: from IST.SYR.EDU (ist.syr.edu [128.230.182.180]) by syr.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10410; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from IST/SpoolDir by IST.SYR.EDU (Mercury 1.21); 20 Feb 99 11:46:29 EDT Received: from SpoolDir by IST (Mercury 1.21); 20 Feb 99 11:46:07 EDT Received: from syr.edu by IST.SYR.EDU (Mercury 1.21) with ESMTP; 20 Feb 99 11:45:58 EDT Message-ID: <36CEE6EE.EFAF300B@syr.edu> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:46:39 -0500 From: Milton Mueller Reply-To: mueller@syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Crocker , apple Subject: Re: Casual survey on ICANN References: <4.2.0.25.19990220215640.00ac3a80@shell2.bayarea.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Grumpy Dave: You mischaracterize option three: the full description is below. Everyone, even ICANN's own board members, recognize that it's a difficult job. To say that they are doing it as well as could be expected is a bit more than saying it's "tolerable." And by the way, this is not a "scale," it is a set of three discrete categorical options, so please, no "2.5s" or "1.7s" > 3. ICANN is reasonably responsive and is doing a difficult job > as best as could be expected To be perfectly frank, those three options represent the full spectrum of opinion I've heard. You may not like it, but it's true. Shall I mark you down as a #3 then? --MM * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Sat Feb 20 22:54:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id WAA25135; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 22:53:51 GMT Received: from postman.bayarea.net (postman.bayarea.net [205.219.84.13]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA25131 for ; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 22:53:49 GMT Received: from shell2.bayarea.net (shell2.bayarea.net [205.219.84.7]) by postman.bayarea.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02428; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:53:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dcrocker@localhost) by shell2.bayarea.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id OAA06437; Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:53:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.25.19990221064016.00d27280@shell2.bayarea.net> X-Sender: dcrocker@shell2.bayarea.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.25 (Beta) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 06:49:06 +0800 To: mueller@syr.edu From: Dave Crocker Subject: Re: Casual survey on ICANN Cc: apple In-Reply-To: <36CEE6EE.EFAF300B@syr.edu> References: <4.2.0.25.19990220215640.00ac3a80@shell2.bayarea.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk At 11:46 AM 2/20/99 -0500, Milton Mueller wrote: >Grumpy Dave: Milton, it is not helpful (nevermind not professional) to turn a simple discussion about proper survey methodology into an ad hominem attack. In fact is is surprising that an academician would respond to a matter of technical analysis by assuming that the criticism is emotional. >You mischaracterize option three: the full description is below. Everyone, >even ICANN's own board members, recognize that it's a difficult job. To say >that they are doing it as well as could be expected is a bit more than saying >it's "tolerable." And by the way, this is not a "scale," it is a set of three The fact that you wish to consider the list not a "scale" is a good indication of how deep the lack of technical knowledge about survey work runs. I will repeat my suggestion that you acquire some assistance in the topic before attempting to perform the survey, never mind use its results. As to the fact that the ICANN task is difficult, that is irrelevant to the question of the tone and range of the set of 3 questions. >discrete categorical options, so please, no "2.5s" or "1.7s" > >> 3. ICANN is reasonably responsive and is doing a difficult job >> as best as could be expected > >To be perfectly frank, those three options represent the full spectrum of >opinion I've heard. You may not like it, but it's true. And this explanation represents another example of the methodological deficiencies at work. The scale should cover feasible opinions, not just "the ones you've already heard", otherwise the survey is nothing but a summary of your own, personal expectations, based on your own, pre-set samplings, since you give respondents no ability to respond beyond those expectations. It might come as a surprise to you, Milton, but it's entirely possible that you have not already heard everyone's opinions. Even if you have, the requirements of objective methodology insist on giving respondents a chance to answer differently than you have already decided they will. d/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dave Crocker Tel: +60 (19) 3299 445 Post Office Box 296, U.P.M. Serdang, Selangor 43400 MALAYSIA Brandenburg Consulting Tel: +1 (408) 246 8253 Fax: +1(408)273 6464 675 Spruce Dr., Sunnyvale, CA 94086 USA * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Sun Feb 21 10:54:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA14578; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:50:32 GMT Received: from svc00.apnic.net (svc00.apnic.net [202.12.28.131]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14570 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:50:28 GMT Received: from geocities.com (mail5.geocities.com [209.1.224.25]) by svc00.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21445 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:35:00 GMT Received: from geocities.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29034; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 02:34:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36CFE034.1FB1367A@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:30:12 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS APPLE CC: MILIS gnM-DICK Subject: Survey Research Methodology Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gentlepeople, This weekend lecture is about Survey Research Methodology. Well, I assume that everyone knows what epistemology -- the theory of knowledge -- is. Whereas Paul Fayerabend argued that it is impossible to "justify" science by using science itself; Imre Lakatos mentioned about "hardcore" that makes almost impossible to change whatever a fellow beliefs in. I also assume that everyone knows what ontology -- the nature of being -- is. Honestly, when I first heard the word "ontology", I though it was just something like Biology, Astrology, et. al. Ontology is just yet another religious choice; there is no way to tell whether it is right or wrong. Can't be pushed, lah! My favorite is the Anthony Giddens' Structurational ontology, which is yet another Basic Social Process. Well, so what is a survey? It is basically a method where you go out to the field with YOUR QUESTIONS, and let them only answer YOUR Lickered ANSWERS... One to seven... one to seven... What if they want to tell you something else? No, it has to be one to seven... one to seven... Do you expect that people love to answer surveys? Nonetheless, a good resource of survey methodology is: However, there is nothing more practical than a Grounded Theory. It is basically a do-it-yourself methodology, where no research assistant, no research grant, no dues, and no secret handshakes is needed :-). See also: Have a good week, -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 What's Science? What's so great about IT? (Paul K. Feyerabend,1976) * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Mon Feb 22 17:16:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by alpha (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id RAA13423; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:12:50 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA13416 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:12:47 GMT Received: from bgreenent1 (sj-dial-1-87.cisco.com [171.68.179.88]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id JAA00294; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:12:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Barry Raveendran Greene" To: Subject: RE: "European Ruling Could Outlaw Web Caching" Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:12:16 -0800 Message-ID: <005501be5e86$7f0f2480$0300000a@bgreenent1.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <199902221200.NAA03771@bagira.iit.bme.hu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI Here's the full text with the URL .... Barry > -----Original Message----- > From: TERENA task force on European cache coordination > [mailto:TF-CACHE@TERENA.NL]On Behalf Of MARAY Tamas > Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 4:01 AM > To: TF-CACHE@TERENA.NL > Subject: "European Ruling Could Outlaw Web Caching" > > > http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB19990216S0003 European Ruling Could Outlaw Web Caching (02/16/99, 11:14 a.m. ET) By Lee Kimber, Network Week Web-access costs could rise by an average of 67 percent in Europe if an attempt by the European Parliament to outlaw Web caching is successful. Brussels insiders told Network Week the record industry lay behind inaccurate fact sheets that convinced European Parliament ministers (MEPs) pirates had been stealing files from Web caches. Despite intensive lobbying by ISP association EuroISPA last week, MEPs refused to modify an amendment to article 5.1 of a proposed copyright directive that could outlaw caching. This was after MEP Roberto Barzanti, from the committee on legal affairs, recommended MEPs support the caching ban. "It's extremely difficult to get around 650 MEPs when there is an extremely effective lobby working against you," said a pro-caching lobbyist, who refused to be named. He cited an excerpt from an anonymous briefing paper he found at the MEPs' meeting last week as evidence of the misinformation that had swayed the MEPs' decision. It says: "The commission therefore provided in article 5.1 a broad exemption for 'temporary' copies from the reproduction right, but the great majority of copies made online are 'temporary' so exempting 'temporary' copies also excuses many pirate uses of the Internet." Now European ISPs are calling on users of caching to lobby their governments before the directive can be signed into law. "If it was to remain this way, it would be serious," said Nicholas Lansman, head of EuroISPA's secretariat. "But there are other routes." He said EuroISPA would ask members to put the logic of the caching argument to European governments and ask them to show "a little bit of good sense." ISPs want to stop the amendment as it bounces between legal-affairs ministers sitting on the Council of Ministers and MEPs. It will have to go to ministers and back to MEPs at least once as the two consult on its implications. "The law, as drafted, is an attack on businesses and consumers throughout Europe," said CacheFlow's European marketing director Nigel Hawthorne. "If passed, European Internet users will endure delays -- reducing the competitiveness of European businesses compared to organizations based in the U.S.A." But fellow cache vendor Inktomi's European product marketing manager Joe Frost said he was unconcerned by the news and confident that vendors and users would be able to convince MEPs that content providers could use the HTTP protocol's copyright headers to safeguard copyright. He said Inktomi would shortly meet with EuroISPA to discuss the issue. Cache vendors usually quote 40 percent as a common bandwidth-saving provided by caching. "It can be from 20 percent to 70 percent," Frost said. "It depends on the type of data." * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Mon Feb 22 21:02:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by alpha (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id VAA09334; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 21:01:59 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA09329 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 21:01:57 GMT Received: from laina (sj-dial-1-109.cisco.com [171.68.179.110]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id NAA28891 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:01:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 99 04:55:41 From: Laina Raveendran Greene Subject: RE: "European Ruling Could Outlaw Web Caching" To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk > http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB19990216S0003 European Ruling Could Outlaw Web Caching (02/16/99, 11:14 a.m. ET) By Lee Kimber, Network Week Web-access costs could rise by an average of 67 percent in Europe if an attempt by the European Parliament to outlaw Web caching is successful. Brussels insiders told Network Week the record industry lay behind inaccurate fact sheets that convinced European Parliament ministers (MEPs) pirates had been stealing files from Web caches. Despite intensive lobbying by ISP association EuroISPA last week, MEPs refused to modify an amendment to article 5.1 of a proposed copyright directive that could outlaw caching. This was after MEP Roberto Barzanti, from the committee on legal affairs, recommended MEPs support the caching ban. "It's extremely difficult to get around 650 MEPs when there is an extremely effective lobby working against you," said a pro-caching lobbyist, who refused to be named. He cited an excerpt from an anonymous briefing paper he found at the MEPs' meeting last week as evidence of the misinformation that had swayed the MEPs' decision. It says: "The commission therefore provided in article 5.1 a broad exemption for 'temporary' copies from the reproduction right, but the great majority of copies made online are 'temporary' so exempting 'temporary' copies also excuses many pirate uses of the Internet." Now European ISPs are calling on users of caching to lobby their governments before the directive can be signed into law. "If it was to remain this way, it would be serious," said Nicholas Lansman, head of EuroISPA's secretariat. "But there are other routes." He said EuroISPA would ask members to put the logic of the caching argument to European governments and ask them to show "a little bit of good sense." ISPs want to stop the amendment as it bounces between legal-affairs ministers sitting on the Council of Ministers and MEPs. It will have to go to ministers and back to MEPs at least once as the two consult on its implications. "The law, as drafted, is an attack on businesses and consumers throughout Europe," said CacheFlow's European marketing director Nigel Hawthorne. "If passed, European Internet users will endure delays -- reducing the competitiveness of European businesses compared to organizations based in the U.S.A." But fellow cache vendor Inktomi's European product marketing manager Joe Frost said he was unconcerned by the news and confident that vendors and users would be able to convince MEPs that content providers could use the HTTP protocol's copyright headers to safeguard copyright. He said Inktomi would shortly meet with EuroISPA to discuss the issue. Cache vendors usually quote 40 percent as a common bandwidth-saving provided by caching. "It can be from 20 percent to 70 percent," Frost said. "It depends on the type of data." * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- FIRST AND ONLY MULTIMEDIA CDROM ON INTERNET POLICY ISSUES LAUNCH, 3rd March,Suntec City, Level 3, Room 313, 6pm.For more information and registration details check our website at www.getit.org CDROM is produced by GetIT Pte Ltd, sponsored by Cisco System, and supported by APDIP/UNDP/UNOPS. 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Laina RG ------------------------------------- FIRST AND ONLY MULTIMEDIA CDROM ON INTERNET POLICY ISSUES LAUNCH, 3rd March,Suntec City, Level 3, Room 313, 6pm.For more information and registration details check our website at www.getit.org CDROM is produced by GetIT Pte Ltd, sponsored by Cisco System, and supported by APDIP/UNDP/UNOPS. Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@getit.org url: www.getit.org Date: 24/02/99 Time: 07:04:55 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Wed Feb 24 03:46:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id DAA13516; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 03:45:22 GMT Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA13512 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 03:45:20 GMT Received: from bgreenent1 (sj-dial-5-8.cisco.com [171.68.179.201]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id TAA06332 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:45:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Barry Raveendran Greene" To: "APPLe" Subject: APRICOT: ICANN Fracas Moves to Singapore Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:45:30 -0800 Message-ID: <00c601be5fa8$1f7a0f30$0300000a@bgreenent1.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI - Dave Farber will be the Keynote next Wednesday at APRICOT. Just after that will be the APRICOT Plenary dedicated totally an open ICANN session. This session will be open to the public. ICANN Fracas Moves to Singapore by Chris Oakes http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/18048.html 12:05 p.m. 22.Feb.99.PST -- A domain name activist will take a Web protest to Singapore next week in an effort to pry open what she feels is an inaccessible Net government. Ellen Rony plans to seed the upcoming meeting of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers with gray ribbons. The ribbons, already adorning the Internet, will be worn and handed out by ICANN members who support her cause. "A gray ribbon is like a discreet, walking signboard to give visibility to the complaint that ICANN's board meetings are closed," said Rony, author of the Domain Name Handbook, in an email. Meeting attendees Dave Farber and Dan Steinberg have agreed to wear and distribute the gray ribbons at the meeting. Both are intimately involved with the evolution of the domain name system, she said. The nonprofit ICANN is charged with overseeing the future evolution of the Internet domain name system. The group has come under fire since its formation last October, and the openness issue has topped critics' agenda. For his part, ICANN's interim chairman, Mike Roberts, said that the critics are mistaken in thinking of the group as a governing body. "There are two points of confusion: One is that we've been asked by the government to make policy for the whole Internet." Rather, ICANN's role is more specific and fairly mundane, Roberts said. "We're chartered to look after Internet names and numbers. It's written word for word [in the US government white paper that led to ICANN's formation], charging us with three or four rather special functions." "President Clinton's 1997 executive order told the secretary of commerce to privatize the Internet domain name system.... That's what we're up to." Still, Rony and others are peeved that the Singapore ICANN meeting is closed to the public. "Every individual who wears one of these ribbons in Singapore will be delivering a walking message to the nine members of the ICANN board that closed board meetings are unacceptable." ICANN has not yet adopted a general membership structure, which will be a key agenda item at the three-day Singapore meeting that begins 2 March. The group's Membership Advisory Committee is staffed with 12 voting members from around the world. The committee is currently accepting public input on possible models of membership via mailing lists. The advisory committee will recommend whether or not to admit individuals, corporations, or both, as members. ICANN has invited public comment by email and plans to hold some open meetings this weekend in Singapore. But the current activity falls far short of true openness, Rony maintains. If ICANN were truly committed to openness, Rony said, the group would undertake a decision-making process that could be witnessed by anyone with a stake in the Internet. Inviting public comment and then taking the discussion out of the public eye doesn't qualify as an open process, she said. "The initial board was selected by a hidden process. The members were not voted or vetted through any sort of representative procedure," Rony said. "They can change the ICANN bylaws, they can withhold information from being published in the minutes." ICANN's Roberts insists that his group does not constitute a government, so can't be held to the scrutiny of a government body. "Not only aren't we a governance organization, but the white paper specifically says we're not a governance organization." ICANN's critics make their mistake by overlooking this fact, Roberts said. "When you set up false premises then it's pretty easy to beat up on the directors." So far, 20 groups and individuals have joined Rony's Web campaign, including Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility, and the Domain Name Services Organization. The campaign will be victorious, Rony said, when the "corporation designated to administer its protocol assignments and domain names changes its bylaws and holds board meetings that the public can attend." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ APRICOT (Asia & Pacific Rim Internet Conference on Operational Technologies) Singapore March 1 - 5, 1999 -- The Annual ISP Operations and Business Summit in Asia and Pacific -- http://www.apricot.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Thu Feb 25 01:15:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id BAA14979; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:13:10 GMT Received: from svc00.apnic.net (svc00.apnic.net [202.12.28.131]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA14971 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:13:07 GMT Received: from geocities.com (mail5.geocities.com [209.1.224.25]) by svc00.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA13795 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:13:04 GMT Received: from geocities.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14030; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:09:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36D4A23A.2270B46@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:07:06 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS APPLE , MILIS gnM-DICK Subject: Internet Domain Survey (FWD, FYI) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit === ZCZC F.31 == (Forwarded from Mark Lottor) ==================== Internet Domain Survey Network Wizards January 1999 The Domain Survey attempts to discover every host on the Internet by doinga complete search of the Domain Name System. The latest survey was done during late January 1999. The complete results can be found on our web site. Here is a summary of the more interesting things: -- Mark Lottor Hosts found (number of PTR records): 43,230,000 Hosts pingable: 8,426,000 [estimated by pinging 1% of total hosts found] Top 10 TLDs (number of hosts): com 12140747 mil 1510440 net 8856687 uk 1423804 edu 5022815 de 1316893 jp 1687534 ca 1119172 us 1562391 au 792351 Top 10 second-level domains (number of hosts): 1667245 aol.com 585233 co.uk 1238252 uu.net 505645 ne.jp 848820 ans.net 485316 bbn.com 708159 ac.uk 424038 or.jp 637202 af.mil 403169 att.net Top 10 third-level domains (number of hosts): 1657627 ipt.aol.com 296541 pub-ip.psi.net 1213999 da.uu.net 280735 demon.co.uk 817846 dialup.ans.net 226000 k12.ca.us 465891 saturn.bbn.com 181681 us.ibm.net 400796 dial-access.att.net 145918 k12.mn.us Top 10 hostnames: 872992 www 17225 ns 141835 host 14759 ftp 84130 mail 13680 gw 62756 dummy 10102 server 22849 router 9884 user = NNNN EOF ===================================================== -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 Offensive is often the best defense --- Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Thu Feb 25 02:33:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id CAA20438; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 02:33:04 GMT Received: from geocities.com (mail5.geocities.com [209.1.224.25]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA20431 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 02:33:00 GMT Received: from geocities.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15892; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:32:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36D4B5BA.EE3E2095@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:30:18 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: comments@icann.org CC: ietf@ietf.org, MILIS APPLE Subject: RTFR: Read The F* RFCs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello: Just recently, I read in proposal from a "regional address registry" (whatever that is), a reference the RFC-1466 instead of "the doomed -- two years in the IESG queue" RFC-2050. Also, I was very surprised when once an IAB member asked me back: "which one is that RFC-1601?", they own charter! Meanwhile, not many are aware that RFC-1591 is against "domain name ownership." (whatever that means). The IETF, IESG, IANA, as well as the RFC-ED do not have a charter because I don't count BCP-11 (RFC-2028) or BCP-9 (RFC-2026) as a charter (OK, this is arguable). Please visit: for a compiled list of not-so-technical RFC. regards, -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 Offensive is often the best defense --- Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Thu Feb 25 06:12:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id GAA01583; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 06:11:49 GMT Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (mta1.tm.net.my [202.188.95.4]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA01576 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 06:11:47 GMT Received: from telekom.com.my ([202.188.127.2]) by mta1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <19990225221441.QMYD507@telekom.com.my>; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:14:41 -0800 Message-ID: <36D5CA59.8A975FDD@telekom.com.my> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:10:33 -0800 From: Vijay Valayatham Organization: Telekom Malaysia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: apple@apnic.net Subject: Frame Relay Query Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, I have a query with regard to a Frame Relay regulatory issue raised by one of our international partners recently. Although provisioning frame relay PVCs with CIR values equal to the local access speed is technically possible, are there any regulatory clauses present which prohibits this implementation, regionally and globally? Personally, I do not see why the issue should be raised in the first place but it tweaked my curiosity since this query came from the upper management of the partner. The only obvious disadvantage in doing this is that users will not benefit from the statistical multiplexing capability of frame relay, and thereby not enjoy a major portion of the cost savings typically associated with frame relay. Any comments? Thanks in advance. Best regards, Vijay -- ___________________________________________________________ Vijay Valayatham Telekom Malaysia Berhad Network Engineer 2nd Floor Kelana Parkview COINS Project No.1 Jalan SS6/2 Telekom Malaysia. 47301 Kelana Jaya Malaysia. Tel: 603-7032534 http://coins.telekom.com.my Fax: 603-7032374 H/P: 013-3414560 __________________________________________________________________ * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Sat Feb 27 02:21:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id CAA18886; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 02:17:18 GMT Received: from geocities.com (mail5.geocities.com [209.1.224.25]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA18876 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 02:17:15 GMT Received: from geocities.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20272; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 18:17:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36D75556.DD5FD34C@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:15:50 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS POISED CC: MILIS gnM-DICK , MILIS APPLE Subject: Re: new version of POS bylaws proposal References: <199902262142.QAA06893@newdev.harvard.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott Bradner wrote: > I submitted a new version of the PSO bylaws to the Internet-Drafts > portal a few days ago and it should pop out soon. FYI Internet-Draft: "Bylaws for a Protocol Support Organization" (Scott O. Bradner) URL: Abstract: This version has a number of changes that are the result of discussion on the poission mailing list. In particular, the classes of membership and the powers of the classes has been revised. A number of ideas have been introduced in this draft to spur discussion in advance of the sessions during the March IETF meeting where the PSO will be discussed. Note that this version has not had legal review, parts may need to be revised when the review is done. -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 Offensive is often the best defense --- Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Sun Feb 28 04:39:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id EAA03952; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 04:36:45 GMT Received: from geocities.com (mail5.geocities.com [209.1.224.25]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA03946 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 04:36:41 GMT Received: from geocities.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07452; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 20:36:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36D8C718.D9758320@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 12:33:29 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS APPLE Subject: ISWorld Net Resources Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello: ISWorld Net is "a vision of information systems scholars harnessing the Internet for the creation and dissemination of information systems knowledge." See also: However, it is a little bit difficult to browse through ISWorld Net, especially for first time visitors. Some places are updated regularly, some places are updated (perhaps) every millennium :^). Therefore, there is a page that keep track the 30 recent updated pages. See also, regards, -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 Offensive is often the best defense --- Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net *