From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Fri Oct 1 08:41:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id IAA20432; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:38:00 GMT Received: from gw.forum.org.kh (gw.forum.org.kh [203.127.100.20]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA20424 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:37:52 GMT Received: from forum.org.kh ([203.127.101.33]) by gw.forum.org.kh (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17734 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:38:20 +0700 Received: from tiap ([192.168.111.122]) by forum.org.kh (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA07758 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:35:49 +0700 Reply-To: From: "Norbert Klein" To: "APPLe (E-mail)" Subject: Famous Brand Names as Domain Names Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:35:39 +0700 Message-ID: <000701bf0be7$f17e4b40$7a6fa8c0@tiap> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Though the following is not directly related to the Internet name discussion on "Famous Brand Names" as domain names and who has the right to use them, I think it sheds an interesting light on the question of the legal status of "Famous Brand Names" and the question of "reverse cybersquatting." Nike International cannot squat on Cidesport in Spain! Norbert Open Forum of Cambodia --- The Cambodia Daily Friday, October 01, 1999, Page 20 Nike Logo Banned on Apparel Sold in Spain Spain’s supreme court has barred Nike Inc. from using its trade name on sports apparel sold in Spain, illustrating one of the perils faced by companies trying to increase their global reach. The court ruled Wednesday that Cidesport SA, a sports-goods concern based in north-eastern Spain, has owned the rights to use the 'Nike' name on sportswear since 1932. Nike is the name of the Greek winged goddess of victory. The court said that Nike International Ltd. of Beaverton, in the US state of Oregon, cannot manufacture, warehouse, import, export or use the trade name in apparel, business documents or advertising for products in Spain that are similar or identical to those of Cidesport. The ruling doesn't affect Nike’s 'swoosh' symbol. Nike can use its name on shoes sold in Spain. Cidesport doesn't make footwear. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Mon Oct 4 04:12:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id EAA06663; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 04:10:15 GMT Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (zinc.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.31]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA06652 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 04:10:11 GMT Received: from laina (qtas0819.singnet.com.sg [165.21.57.209]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA25076; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:09:51 +0800 (SGT) From: "Laina Raveendran Greene" To: , "APPLe (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Famous Brand Names as Domain Names Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 21:17:23 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bf0e1f$5be9fea0$3cc1fe90@laina.getit.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000701bf0be7$f17e4b40$7a6fa8c0@tiap> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for sharing that story with us Nobert...that case clearly demonstrates the problem with trying to import famous mark rights to domain names. As it show, trademark law is still VERY territorial. Tha famous mark dilution concept is mainly found in the US. Most other countries do not have this. Besides, even if Spain had this law,it will sow how difficult it is to show which is famous...the mark that has been used longer or the one that is now more famous? This clearly shows why we should not try to import rights to famous mark holders into the domain name space.The way the current WIPO recommendations are written, a famous mark holder can ask for general exlusion of its name, combinations of its name or anything similar to it including mispellings (very far reaching). This exclusion will also appy to country TLDs if they ae deemed "open" for which no definition is given. This would mean then mean that Nike could prevent the Nike in Spain to even have nike.com.sp(not sure the CCtLD for spain) or a nike-spain.com to exist. Is this fair? I do not think so...why should they have more rights in cyberspace then they have in the real world, I asK. Laina RG > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-apple@apnic.net [mailto:owner-apple@apnic.net]On Behalf Of > >Norbert Klein > >Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 1:36 AM > >To: APPLe (E-mail) > >Subject: Famous Brand Names as Domain Names > > > > > >Though the following is not directly related to the Internet name > >discussion on "Famous Brand Names" as domain names and who has the > >right to use them, I think it sheds an interesting light on the > >question of the legal status of "Famous Brand Names" and the > >question of "reverse cybersquatting." > > > >Nike International cannot squat on Cidesport in Spain! > > > >Norbert > >Open Forum of Cambodia > > > >--- > > > > > >The Cambodia Daily > >Friday, October 01, 1999, Page 20 > > > >Nike Logo Banned on Apparel Sold in Spain > > > >Spain’s supreme court has barred Nike Inc. from using its trade name > >on sports apparel sold in Spain, illustrating one of the perils > >faced by companies trying to increase their global reach. The court > >ruled Wednesday that Cidesport SA, a sports-goods concern based in > >north-eastern Spain, has owned the rights to use the 'Nike' name on > >sportswear since 1932. Nike is the name of the Greek winged goddess > >of victory. The court said that Nike International Ltd. of > >Beaverton, in the US state of Oregon, cannot manufacture, warehouse, > >import, export or use the trade name in apparel, business documents > >or advertising for products in Spain that are similar or identical > >to those of Cidesport. The ruling doesn't affect Nike’s 'swoosh' > >symbol. Nike can use its name on shoes sold in Spain. Cidesport > >doesn't make footwear. > > > >* APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * > > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Mon Oct 4 04:12:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id EAA06682; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 04:10:23 GMT Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (zinc.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.31]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA06678 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 04:10:21 GMT Received: from laina (qtas0819.singnet.com.sg [165.21.57.209]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA25268 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:10:19 +0800 (SGT) From: "Laina Raveendran Greene" To: Subject: FW: Posting of Proposed Implementation Documents for the Uniform Dispute Resolution Policy Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 21:17:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000801bf0e1f$6e2ed040$3cc1fe90@laina.getit.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please read and respond. -----Original Message----- From: owner-icann-announce@ISI.EDU [mailto:owner-icann-announce@ISI.EDU] On Behalf Of Josh Elliott Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 2:45 PM To: icann-announce@icann.org Cc: icann@icann.org Subject: Posting of Proposed Implementation Documents for the Uniform Dispute Resolution Policy Posting of Proposed Implementation Documents for the Uniform Dispute Resolution Policy --------- ICANN has posted on its web site proposed documents to implement the Uniform Dispute Resolution Policy adopted on August 26 at the ICANN meeting in Santiago, Chile. A staff report on the documents, as well as the documents themselves, can be accessed through http://www.icann.org/udrp/udrp.htm. Public comment on the proposed documents, and particularly on whether they faithfully implement the adopted policy, is invited. The comment period runs through October 13, 1999. Instructions on how comments may be made appear on the web page at the URL noted above. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Thu Oct 7 05:10:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id FAA10497; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 05:07:08 GMT Received: from gateway.ntu.edu.sg ([155.69.1.127]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA10480 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 05:06:58 GMT Received: by gateway.ntu.edu.sg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <4D1HMRGG>; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:05:36 +0800 Message-ID: <1DD1B50DBE02D311909900805FA7424B883A3E@EXCHANGE5> From: "Ang Peng Hwa (Assoc Prof)" To: "'APPLe'" Subject: Regulating Internet Content Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:05:46 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Folks, The following are some comments from Peter Coroneos, prez of Australia's Internet association, about Australia's recent content rules and the approach to rules in US and Europe. (Met Peter at a recent conference in Vienna. Nice guy who tells jokes with a straight face.) The Oz association seems to be swaying the government to amend the laws to be more coherent. Regards, Ang Peng Hwa Regulating Internet Content By David McGuire, Newsbytes. October 06, 1999 http://www.currents.net/newstoday/99/10/06/news8.html Somewhere between the free-market Internet libertarianism of the American cowboys and the hands-on regulatory control of the European stormtroopers, lies the proper approach to regulating Internet content and access, the leader of Australia's largest Internet trade group contended at a media event today. "The United States tends to approach regulatory issues through much more of a market-driven approach...(while) the Europeans adopt a much more interventionist scheme," said Peter Coroneos, president of Australia's Internet Industry Association. Perhaps not surprisingly, Coroneos went on to argue that a recently drafted Australian law represents a solid compromise between the European and US paradigms. The Australian regime relies on a "co-regulatory" system whereby "the government provides a legislative framework and industry comes in and establishes rules," Coroneos said. Those self-drafted rules become "almost de facto laws," once established and agreed to by industry groups, he added. The benefit of having the industry draft its own rules is that industry players will be less likely to rail against a regulatory regime of their own devising, Coroneos said. But simply calling for self-regulation without any sort of government intervention is too wishy-washy an approach, Coroneos said. The legislative framework behind Australia's industry-drafted Code of Practice gives that document teeth, he added. As they stand, the Australian rules require Internet service providers (ISPs) to provide their customers with filtering technology capable of sifting out "pedophile material," hardcore pornography and even so-called "R-rated" material, Coroneos said. ISPs that fail to provide such filtering devices to customers who request them would be forced to directly block access to sites containing objectionable material. The Code of Practice also contains language pertaining to user privacy and other issues. But while Coroneos extolled the benefits of the Australian regulatory regime, he warned that other nations should be wary about simply adopting their own versions of the Australian rules. The Australian regulatory approach was developed as a joint effort between the nation's legislators and business leaders, Coroneos said. Other countries should take a similarly collaborative tack, he said. Further information about the Australian Internet rules can be found on the Internet Industry Association's Web page at http://www.iia.net.au . * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Thu Oct 7 10:41:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA02741; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:40:22 GMT Received: from web1301.mail.yahoo.com (web1301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.151]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA02736 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:40:19 GMT Message-ID: <19991007104603.1946.rocketmail@web1301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.129.101.40] by web1301.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 07 Oct 1999 20:46:03 EST Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 20:46:03 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: conference ~ Combating Child Pornography On The Internet To: "Mailing List" APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all Below is a news release from the recent conference Combating Child Pornography On The Internet held in Vienna. More information about the conferences, including the speeches and conference papers are available from the conference web site. Cheers David Combating Child Pornography On The Internet Vienna, 29 September - 1 October 1999 http://www.stop-childpornog.at Schüssel calls for international fight against child pornography on the Internet "Our priority is the protection of the children" "20 million children have access to the Internet. We must protect them from abuse and crime," announced Vice-Chancellor Foreign Minister Wolfgang Schüssel today to media representatives, following the opening of the International Conference on Combating Child Pornography on the Internet, held in Vienna's Hofburg. While the Internet, a decentralised networked information unit, is the realization of the global age, it is simultaneously a "drastic means" of child abuse, continued Schüssel. The vicious circle of increasing production and propagation of child pornography and the accompanying increase in demand for such material must be broken by providing excellent training for investigators and improved technical facilities. "There can be no safe haven where material containing child pornography can be traded". Schüssel joined the Finnish Minister of Home Affairs, Karl Häkämies, representing the EU presidency, and a high-ranking expert from the American Ministry of Justice in calling for strong co-operation between the EU, America, Eastern Europe and Asia. Intensification of international co-operation between police and judicial authorities was also necessary, he stated, and the partnership between countries and Internet service providers must be strengthened and expanded. In order to combat the cross-border problem of Internet child pornography effectively, Vice-Chancellor Schüssel and the American Secretary of State Madeleine Albright had jointly developed the idea of an international conference during the period of Austria's EU presidency. This conference will run in Vienna's Hofburg until October 1st 1999, in the framework of the traditional transatlantic dialogue between the USA and the EU. International experts from the fields of legislation, law enforcement and administration of justice, international organisations and NGOs, and Internet service providers will work together on developing a plan of action to combat child pornography on the Internet. The work of the Conference can be followed at the website http://www.stop-childpornog.at. ===== David Goldstein email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au post: 5 Coles Lane, Oakington, Cambridge, CB4 5BA, UK phone: + 44 (0)1223 574 857 (h); +44 (0)1223 237 700 (w); +44 (0)7979 965 503 (mobile). ICQ: 32130305. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com.au address at http://mail.yahoo.com.au or your free @yahoo.co.nz address at http://mail.yahoo.co.nz * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Thu Oct 7 15:00:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA15869; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:59:52 GMT Received: from web1306.mail.yahoo.com (web1306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.156]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA15865 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:59:49 GMT Message-ID: <19991007150537.23582.rocketmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.129.101.40] by web1306.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 08 Oct 1999 01:05:36 EST Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 01:05:36 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: EdNA student showcase To: "Mailing List" APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi APPLe EdNA Online (Australia) have developed a Student Showcase (http://showcase.edna.edu.au) as 'another activity to engage students in using online services in the same way that EdNA Online (http://www.edna.edu.au) acts as the Australian education and training portal'. The Student Showcase is a way of showing the sites developed by Australian students. For those who don't know, EdNA is an Australian network of education services, aimed at providing a comprehensive list of online resources for Australian school students, and was a finalist in last years Carl Bertelsmann Prize. To check out the Student Showcase, please go to http://showcase.edna.edu.au. Unfortunately there is not a lot of information on how to describe the project on the site, from what I could quickly find, but for those interested in student activities on the web, it is definitely worth a look. Cheers David ===== David Goldstein email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au post: 5 Coles Lane, Oakington, Cambridge, CB4 5BA, UK phone: + 44 (0)1223 574 857 (h); +44 (0)1223 237 700 (w); +44 (0)7979 965 503 (mobile). ICQ: 32130305. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com.au address at http://mail.yahoo.com.au or your free @yahoo.co.nz address at http://mail.yahoo.co.nz * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Fri Oct 8 16:19:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA06213; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:17:26 GMT Received: from web1302.mail.yahoo.com (web1302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.152]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA06208 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:17:23 GMT Message-ID: <19991008162418.22645.rocketmail@web1302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.129.101.40] by web1302.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 09 Oct 1999 02:24:18 EST Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 02:24:18 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: INCORE - Widening Consultation on Rating and Filtering Internet Content To: "Mailing List" APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello All This email is to ask you to take part in a project to develop a rating and filtering system for Internet content. This project is part of the INCORE project, or Internet Content Rating for Europe, and is one of the projects under the European Commission's 'Action Plan to Promote Safer Use of the Internet'. Due to the increasing concern across Europe over the accessibility of potentially harmful content found on the Internet, especially to children, the European Commission is examining ways in protecting children online. These concerns range from child pornography to racism and other 'adult' content. INCORE is examining how access can be controlled by users, allowing them to retain the ultimate decision over what is seen, particularly where children are concerned. For this project to be successful, and due to the global nature of the Internet, we need to consult with as wide a range of peoples from around the world as possible. We would like you to participate in this consultation project by completing the questionnaire at http://www.incore.org/paper/paper.htm which aims to determine what categories are important to Internet users in a rating and filtering system. It is available in all of the official EU languages. Could you please forward the message attached below to any individuals, lists or newsletters who you may feel have an interest in participating in the consultation. In addition, we would be grateful if you could respond to the consultation paper yourself. Thank you for your participation. Yours sincerely David Goldstein INCORE -----oOo----- INCORE - Widening Consultation on Rating and Filtering Internet Content European experts held their second meeting under the EU funded project on self-rating and filtering systems at the Internet Content Summit in Munich in September. They now wish to open up the consultation with Internet users and content providers through a consultation paper on the INCORE Web site, translated into all the official EU languages. See http://www.incore.org/paper/paper.htm The views of all Internet users, particularly those who are concerned with protecting children on line, will help to shape future rating and filtering systems. This site not only tells you what a new system may look like, but also gives an opportunity to submit your views in an online questionnaire. Please visit the site yourself and point it out to other users who might be interested. The Web site includes an explanation of the background to the INCORE project and links to the European Action Plan on Safer Use of the Internet which is supporting it. -----oOo----- For more information see: INCORE: http://www.incore.org European Commission's 'Action Plan to Promote Safer Use of the Internet': http://www2.echo.lu/iap Internet Content Summit: http://www.stiftung.bertelsmann.de/internetcontent ===== David Goldstein email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au post: 5 Coles Lane, Oakington, Cambridge, CB4 5BA, UK phone: + 44 (0)1223 574 857 (h); +44 (0)1223 237 700 (w); +44 (0)7979 965 503 (mobile). ICQ: 32130305. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com.au address at http://mail.yahoo.com.au or your free @yahoo.co.nz address at http://mail.yahoo.co.nz * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Mon Oct 11 02:38:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id CAA14175; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 02:38:05 GMT Received: from armstrong.apic.net (armstrong.apic.net [203.22.101.2]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA14168 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 02:38:03 GMT Received: from boss.apic.net (boss.apic.net [203.22.102.40]) by armstrong.apic.net (8.8.7/APIC-2.1) with SMTP id MAA28965 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:38:02 +1000 (EST) X-Org: The Asia Pacific Internet Company Pty. Ltd. X-URL: http://www.apic.net/ Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991011123821.0196de84@mail.apic.net> X-Sender: bala@mail.apic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:38:21 +1000 To: apple@apnic.net From: Bala Pillai Subject: Re-sellers still tugging at PLDT bottom line (PH-ISP fw) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -- forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:10:38 +1000 To: Chito Kintanar , Telecommunications Technology Forum , ph-isp@lists.iphil.net From: Bala Pillai Subject: Re: [ph-isp] Re-sellers still tugging at PLDT bottom line; By: Anthony O. Alcantara Sender: owner-ph-isp@lists.iphil.net At 12:53 AM 10/5/99 +0800, Chito Kintanar wrote: >THE PHILIPPINE Long Distance Telephone Co. continues to incur heavy >losses from the operations of illegal bypass, or international simple >resale, operators. > >PLDT president Manuel Pangilinan said despite the resources thrown in to >check this P3-billion-a-year "headache," re-selling remains a major >problem for the country's biggest telecom firm. When will they realise that sticking fingers into dykes ain't going to stop the flood? Dear PLDT, if you can't beat the IP revolution, join it! If you don't know how to join it, ask! The days of the dinosaurs are fast over. While you distract yourself trying to eat the fleet-footed mammals, you are forgetting CISCO league players who will gobble *the reason for your existence* up. And after that, gobble *you* up. That is if there's still some meat in your bones worth gobbling when the time comes! Otherwise, it is extinctdom. History repeats itself. Your choice. Hope you havn't made the wrong final choice already. cheers../bala Bala Pillai CEO, The Asia Pacific Internet Company (APIC) Sydney, Australia bala pillai* bala@sydney.net*the asia pacific internet co, sydney O N L I N E R O C K E T - F U E L E D C O M M U N I T I E S for info send blank ph:+61 2 9818 7815 mob: 0411 788 801 fax: + 61 2 9818 7711 - PH-ISP List. To quit, mail "unsubscribe ph-isp" to majordomo@lists.iphil.net * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Mon Oct 11 02:38:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id CAA14116; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 02:37:05 GMT Received: from armstrong.apic.net (armstrong.apic.net [203.22.101.2]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA14110 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 02:37:03 GMT Received: from boss.apic.net (boss.apic.net [203.22.102.40]) by armstrong.apic.net (8.8.7/APIC-2.1) with SMTP id MAA28873 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:37:01 +1000 (EST) X-Org: The Asia Pacific Internet Company Pty. Ltd. X-URL: http://www.apic.net/ Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991011123720.0196d3a4@mail.apic.net> X-Sender: bala@mail.apic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:37:20 +1000 To: apple@apnic.net From: Bala Pillai Subject: PLDT.COM Press Release (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --forwarded message-- From: benjamin@info.com.ph Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:42:46 +0800 To: ph-isp@iphil.net Subject: [ph-isp] PLDT.COM Press Release (fwd) Sender: owner-ph-isp@lists.iphil.net Press Release PLDT.COM Manila, Philippines 07 October 1999 =A0---------- PLDT withdraws application for TRO against PLDT.com Last Tuesday, in a surprising move, the Philippine Long Distance Telephone Company (PLDT) withdrew its application for a temporary restraining order against defendant Philippine League for Democratic Telecommunications Inc. (PLDTI) and Gerardo Kaimo, owner of the Internet website PLDT.com. Counsel for Mr. Kaimo and co-defendant PLDTI would not comment on the shift, but sources familiar with the case believe that the move undercuts what they see as PLDT's original strategy, which was to claim that the website was causing such damage to PLDT as to require the immediate shutdown of= pldt.com.=20 "They had the papers served late on a Friday afternoon [Sept. 24], and were requesting an 8:30 a.m. hearing the next Monday morning, claiming that there was some element of urgency in stopping the website immediately. Now,= they've dropped the pretense of urgency," said an observer of this apparent landmark case. In fact, if last Tuesday's proceedings were any indication, PLDT could be in for a protracted struggle, as counsel for the defendants proceeded to clash with PLDT over the presentation of evidence in its application for= injunction, by their first witness, Horacio Lavides, PLDT assistant vice-president for corporate communications/public relations. Attorneys Teddy Cruz and Susan Santos, counsel for Kaimo, and Rod Domingo, counsel for PLDTI, all objected to a question by PLDT counsel Atty. Carlos Lopez, posed to Lavides, regarding the damage alleged to have been caused to PLDT by the presence of PLDT.com on the Internet, as they challenged the qualifications of Lavides who was not presented as an expert witness to comment on the alleged damage caused to the company. Presiding Judge Reynaldo Daway= of Quezon City Regional Trial Court (QCRTC) sustained the objection. "PLDT's counsel characterized Lavides as a 'media expert', based on his experience with the company in media relations and corporate communications. Opposing counsel countered by questioning the very idea of a 'media expert'. If PLDT can't define 'media expert' to everyone's satisfaction, and then establish Lavides as a 'media expert', whatever Lavides says about damages is merely hearsay," commented lawyers Teddy Cruz and Rod Domingo. The next hearing is scheduled for Tuesday, October 19, at 2 p.m. in Branch= 90 of the QCRTC.=20 =A0---------- For more information, please visit the site or send an email to the webmaster.=20 * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Mon Oct 11 02:38:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id CAA14088; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 02:36:39 GMT Received: from armstrong.apic.net (armstrong.apic.net [203.22.101.2]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA14082 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 02:36:37 GMT Received: from boss.apic.net (boss.apic.net [203.22.102.40]) by armstrong.apic.net (8.8.7/APIC-2.1) with SMTP id MAA28793 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:36:27 +1000 (EST) X-Org: The Asia Pacific Internet Company Pty. Ltd. X-URL: http://www.apic.net/ Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991011123646.0158e024@mail.apic.net> X-Sender: bala@mail.apic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:36:46 +1000 To: apple@apnic.net From: Bala Pillai Subject: Secret PLDT.COM Ad plans exposed!!! (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -- forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 02:13:04 +0800 To: ph-cyberview@egroups.com, ph-isp@iphil.net From: Jim Ayson Subject: [ph-isp] Secret PLDT.COM Ad plans exposed!!! (fwd) ------- forwarded message ------- >From the secret files of Gerry Kaimo, #1: Copy for PLDT.COM's Poster Ads -------------------- (handwritten scribble on post-it note) Note to Gerry - the gang at creative have prepared this copy for the site relaunch. Please e-mail me what you think, luv. They loved the site opening in Cannes, baby! Let's do lunch when I get back from London! - Angela Basset-Hound Dewey, Cheatem, & Howe / ad agency for strange new media It's here! The Most Controversial Website In the Philippines Today! W W W . P L D T . C O M the site that roared **** Nominated in the 1999 Webby Awards under the WEIRD category! See for yourself the shocking site denounced as "devil spawn" by top telco executives with a flair for young actors! CRINGE upon wave after wave of slinging sarcasm from the devilishly witty message board visitors! RECOIL at the photos of East Timor atrocities! MARVEL with gusto at the "babe of the week" feature! DOUBLE UP in tears over the latest exposes of "La Viuda Loca" and the man who hates SARDINES! Can this all be true? Is this really more than just your average website? Here's what they're saying about PLDT.COM: "Full of wiles... full of guiles..." - Adrian Cristobal, former Marcos spokesperson "Unsavory material...a mockery... There are some observers who say that Pangilinan's reform knife must be cutting too deep!" - Art Borjal, ace PR specialist "Malicious... misleading... luring unsuspecting Internet users into their site...derogatory..." - Antonio Samson, telco exec without peer "I would rather elect Prudence!" - Chito "Jovencio" Kintanar, the Presidential advisor for IT "Astig na Website!" - Pinoy Times Headline "As far as I'm concerned... there is no law that is being violated" - Dr. Bill Torres, dashing, young and dynamic president of PISO and MOSCOM "Admit it guys: You just want the pldt.com domain and you want Gerry to shut up" - Leo Magno, handsome and virile crusading IT columnist for the Philippine Daily Inquirer "Because we're groovy, and they're not." - The man in the suit "Hey! We got the domain first!" - Yutivo Corporation and Webscape, Inc. "Zip it." - Doctor Evil Experience it for yourself! PLDT.COM - It's a website you are not likely to forget... or forgive!!! www.pldt.com - Because Life is NOT a Bowl of Cherries * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Tue Oct 12 10:20:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA00270; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:17:12 GMT Received: from web1305.mail.yahoo.com (web1305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.155]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA00263 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:17:09 GMT Message-ID: <19991012102706.1067.rocketmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.129.101.40] by web1305.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:27:06 EST Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:27:06 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: Showcasing Student Online Work in Australia To: "Mailing List" APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi APPLers Following on from my posting last week, some more information forwarded to me about an initiative in Australia to promote students use of the Internet. Cheers David Showcasing Student Online Work An invitation from Education Network Australia (EdNA) http://showcase.edna.edu.au Students from across Australia are being invited to submit their online work for this showcase extravaganza. The EdNA Online Australia Student Showcase is a wonderful way to show off student online work to the rest of Australia and the world. It is also a great opportunity to provide students with a national audience and have their web sites reviewed by web professionals. Each week viewers have the opportunity to vote on their favourite sites and a team of critics will select sites and provide reviews. Student work can be submitted using the web form on the showcase site. The EdNA Online Australia Student Showcase web site is an initiative of the EdNA Online Australia Project which is hosting a series of events for Online Australia Year. Online Australia Year 1999 is a major Commonwealth awareness raising initiative aimed at building Australia's online communities. The Australian education and training community has been playing a key role in getting Australia online - particularly through the EdNA initiative. Log onto the showcase site http://showcase.edna.edu.au Showcase your online work Participate by Voting ******************************************* ===== David Goldstein email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au post: 5 Coles Lane, Oakington, Cambridge, CB4 5BA, UK phone: + 44 (0)1223 574 857 (h); +44 (0)1223 237 700 (w); +44 (0)7979 965 503 (mobile). ICQ: 32130305. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com.au address at http://mail.yahoo.com.au or your free @yahoo.co.nz address at http://mail.yahoo.co.nz * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Wed Oct 13 09:06:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA13456; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:04:43 GMT Received: from web1306.mail.yahoo.com (web1306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.156]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA13447 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:04:36 GMT Message-ID: <19991013091450.16662.rocketmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.129.101.40] by web1306.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:14:50 EST Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:14:50 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: ZDNET News ~ Cyberporn: 'Good thing' or dangerous? To: "Mailing List" APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all An article on cyberporn, is it good or bad, from ZDNET, that also includes a 'talkback' section. Cheers David ************** Cyberporn: 'Good thing' or dangerous? By David Lawsky, Reuters October 8, 1999 1:10 PM PT URL: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2350634,00.html WASHINGTON, D.C. -- A U.S. panel clashed Friday over whether pornography on the World Wide Web is a "good thing" that contributes to the economy, or a danger that sacrifices children on the altar of the First Amendment. The National Press Club forum included representatives from anti-pornography groups, a lawyer who defends people in the pornography industry, a think tank lawyer who favors a broad interpretation of the First Amendment and a former porn film actress. "Pornography on the Web is a good thing," said Jeffrey Douglas, a lawyer from Santa Monica, Calif., who represents about 150 makers of pornography in the Free Speech Coalition. He called pornography a "home-grown American product" that provides jobs, taxes and contributes billions of dollars to the economy. At the same time, he said his group had a standing offer of $10,000 for the conviction of anyone producing child pornography -- and that the group has already paid the reward once. Donna Rice: Porn a danger But Donna Rice Hughes, who became notorious after evidence of an affair with one-time presidential candidate Gary Hart, spoke against pornography and called it a danger to children. "Children are not safe on the Internet," said Hughes, whose business is speaking and campaigning against pornography on the Web. "The innocence of children continues to be sacrificed on the alter of the First Amendment," which protects freedom of speech. Hughes and Douglas had wildly varying estimates of the amount of money produced annually through Internet pornography, but agreed it was above $1 billion. There's a good reason why the industry is so large, according to a former adult film actress. "We've got what everybody wants, regardless of whether they want to admit they want it,'' said Gloria Leonard of Canoga Park, Calif., who also used to publish an adult sex magazine and is now president of the Free Speech Coalition. She said that she too is concerned that children are protected from pornography. But that, she said, is part of a larger principal, which is consent. Invasive without consent "If you haven't consented it's an invasion of privacy," she said. Parents should be able to prevent access by their children to pornography, Leonard said. But there are limits to what parents can control, said Solveig Singleton, a lawyer with the CATO Institute, a libertarian think tank. Even if parents use filtering software and place their computer in the living room, "that probably isn't going to stop a really determined teen-age boy," she said. She added: "On the other hand, one can question whether anything would." ===== David Goldstein email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au post: 5 Coles Lane, Oakington, Cambridge, CB4 5BA, UK phone: + 44 (0)1223 574 857 (h); +44 (0)1223 237 700 (w); +44 (0)7979 965 503 (mobile). ICQ: 32130305. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com.au address at http://mail.yahoo.com.au or your free @yahoo.co.nz address at http://mail.yahoo.co.nz * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Wed Oct 13 09:54:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA16723; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:54:19 GMT Received: from gateway.ntu.edu.sg ([155.69.1.127]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16719 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:54:17 GMT Received: by gateway.ntu.edu.sg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <4D1HPBHB>; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:52:43 +0800 Message-ID: <1DD1B50DBE02D311909900805FA7424B883AA5@EXCHANGE5> From: "Ang Peng Hwa (Assoc Prof)" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mailing=A0List=22_APPLe?= Subject: RE: ZDNET News ~ Cyberporn: 'Good thing' or dangerous? Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:52:43 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk >At the same time, he said his group had a standing offer of >$10,000 for the conviction of anyone producing child pornography >-- and that the group has already paid the reward once. This is surprising. As a matter of public policy, most legal systems do not allow rewards for crimes (however that may be defined). And most if not all countries criminalise child porn. Unlike your "traditional" porn, child porn has a real victim-the child in the porn. Regards, Ang Peng Hwa -----Original Message----- From: David Goldstein [mailto:goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 5:15 PM To: Mailing List" APPLe Subject: ZDNET News ~ Cyberporn: 'Good thing' or dangerous? Hi all An article on cyberporn, is it good or bad, from ZDNET, that also includes a 'talkback' section. Cheers David ************** Cyberporn: 'Good thing' or dangerous? By David Lawsky, Reuters October 8, 1999 1:10 PM PT URL: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2350634,00.html WASHINGTON, D.C. -- A U.S. panel clashed Friday over whether pornography on the World Wide Web is a "good thing" that contributes to the economy, or a danger that sacrifices children on the altar of the First Amendment. The National Press Club forum included representatives from anti-pornography groups, a lawyer who defends people in the pornography industry, a think tank lawyer who favors a broad interpretation of the First Amendment and a former porn film actress. "Pornography on the Web is a good thing," said Jeffrey Douglas, a lawyer from Santa Monica, Calif., who represents about 150 makers of pornography in the Free Speech Coalition. He called pornography a "home-grown American product" that provides jobs, taxes and contributes billions of dollars to the economy. At the same time, he said his group had a standing offer of $10,000 for the conviction of anyone producing child pornography * and that the group has already paid the reward once. [rest of material deleted] * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Thu Oct 14 11:13:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA11543; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:10:24 GMT Received: from web1303.mail.yahoo.com (web1303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.153]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA11528 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:10:17 GMT Message-ID: <19991014112120.11014.rocketmail@web1303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.129.101.40] by web1303.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:21:20 EST Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:21:20 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: Hong Kong safe surfing pages To: "Mailing List" APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi APPLers >From another mailing list I am on, a few resources in Hong Kong dealing with safe surfing of the Internet. Hong Kong Television and Entertainment Licensing Authority's Care for Young people page - http://www.info.gov.hk/tela/care.html Hong Kong ISPA have a couple of pages at http://www.hkispa.org.hk/Filter_e.htm and http://www.hkispa.org.hk/Obscene_e.htm A page by the Open University of Hong Kong on filtering software: http://learn.ouhk.edu.hk/~u123/on_unit/on_4filt.htm The Social Sciences Research Centre, The University of Hong Kong have a page on a panel discussion, Privacy and censorship on the Internet at: http://www.ssrc.hku.hk/sym/98/papers/johnBS/paper.html Cheers David ===== David Goldstein email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au post: 5 Coles Lane, Oakington, Cambridge, CB4 5BA, UK phone: + 44 (0)1223 574 857 (h); +44 (0)1223 237 700 (w); +44 (0)7979 965 503 (mobile). ICQ: 32130305. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com.au address at http://mail.yahoo.com.au or your free @yahoo.co.nz address at http://mail.yahoo.co.nz * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Thu Oct 14 16:33:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA01337; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:32:48 GMT Received: from web1306.mail.yahoo.com (web1306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.156]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA01331 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:32:41 GMT Message-ID: <19991014164355.16882.rocketmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.129.101.40] by web1306.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:43:55 EST Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 02:43:55 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: Thanks to technology lines between home and work blur To: "Mailing List" APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all A story on the links between technology, work and home. Cheers David Thanks to technology lines between home and work blur Copyright © 1999 Nando Media Copyright © 1999 Associated Press By MAGGIE JACKSON http://www.techserver.com/noframes/story/0,2294,500045107-500073475-500176572-0,00.html NEW YORK (October 13, 1999 5:58 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - Linda Rosanio, an advertising executive, catches up on work late at night and on weekends from home. And when she's at work, she sometimes pays bills, since she's so short of time at home. The line between home and work isn't just blurring. It's almost gone. An era of high-tech innovation has broken down boundaries of time and place, and given people the tools to work, shop and communicate almost anywhere. Increased workloads have broken down the work-home boundary further. In a study released Wednesday underscoring these changes, Pitney Bowes Inc. found that the average household sends and receives about 115 messages a week - including 21 to and from work. At the same time, more workers are dragging their home lives into work - so much so that companies are increasingly monitoring employees' Internet use to limit online grocery shopping and stock market trading. "We don't necessarily distinguish today what is work time and what is home time," said Meredith Fischer, vice president of corporate marketing at the office products company. "The big message here is that it's a single environment." Of course, workers have always made personal telephone calls from work, or dragged paperwork home in their briefcases. But the technological tools now available, and improving by the day, greatly expand the type and intensity of activities that can be done anywhere. "We're able to conduct a conference call while delivering our child to a soccer game," said Fischer. "We call the utility, find a plumber, go online to plan a trip" at work. In two previous studies, Pitney Bowes tracked the explosion of messages that deluge workers daily, and the stresses caused by the constant interruptions such messages create. The average worker now sends and receives nearly 200 messages a day. Households receive far fewer - 115 a week. But nearly a fifth of these messages, via mail, e-mail, voicemail, telephone or faxes, involve work. The most well-connected 20 percent of households get or send 240 messages weekly, including 66 involving work. For its study, Pitney Bowes surveyed 525 households, as well as examining diaries kept by family members in those households. Some people love their ability to tick off work or home chores wherever they are. Technology, they believe, provides flexibility. Fischer, for example, gets up at 4:30 a.m. each day to exercise. But before she begins, she answers voicemail. "Then I can go off and exercise with a perfectly free brain," she said. "I've used my time the way I want to use my time." But such flexibility can also backfire, as Linda Rosanio has discovered. In her enthusiasm for blending work and home, the advertising agency owner began to find her work taking over her personal life. A year ago, she found herself carrying more work home each night than she could finish, then lugging the work back to the office the next day. "It got so out of control that I had to rethink what I was doing," said Rosanio, owner of The Star Group in Cherry Hill, N.J. "It was taking over my personal life." Nowadays, she tries to limit the work she does from home, especially on weekends, so she can spend more time with her children. She's also trying not to feel guilty about accomplishing the occasional personal chore from work. In a sense, companies have already brought employees home lives into the workplace by offering on-site child care, health clubs and stores. But the Internet offers such an accessible and seductive way to bring home to work that companies are finding they must set limits. "We noticed it was a problem back in 1997 when Internet access became widespread," said Rod Litteral, a technical solutions engineer at NCR Corp. "They trade a little stock online, they check their banking account." At first, NCR just blocked employee access to porn, gambling and other Web sites that could pose liability problems for the company. But it's now moving to inhibit access to sites that involve employees' home lives - from online banking, stock trading and grocery shopping. NCR isn't alone. WebSense, a San Diego-based Internet monitoring company, gets 250 to 500 requests a week from companies eager to block online trading or banking sites. In November, the company will increase the number of the Web site categories it monitors to 54, from 29, said Brian Curry, manager of WebSense's database development. Increasingly, both employers and their workers will have to consider how best to cope with a world in which work or home activities can be accomplished anywhere. That means that families may choose to filter phone calls during the dinner hour, or companies may limit online grocery shopping to after-work hours. "The question is, what are the strategies to deal with this, so that any time, anyplace doesn't become every time, every place," said Andrea Saveri, director of the Institute for the Future and a co-author of the Pitney Bowes study. Copyright © 1999 Nando Media ===== David Goldstein email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au post: 5 Coles Lane, Oakington, Cambridge, CB4 5BA, UK phone: + 44 (0)1223 574 857 (h); +44 (0)1223 237 700 (w); +44 (0)7979 965 503 (mobile). ICQ: 32130305. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com.au address at http://mail.yahoo.com.au or your free @yahoo.co.nz address at http://mail.yahoo.co.nz * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Tue Oct 19 09:02:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id IAA161197; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:59:27 GMT Received: from web1302.mail.yahoo.com (web1302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.152]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA112842 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:59:24 GMT Message-ID: <19991019091448.25444.rocketmail@web1302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.129.101.40] by web1302.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:14:48 EST Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:14:48 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: The Independent ~ BBFC to consult with the people To: "Mailing List" APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All An article from Monday's The Independent newspaper about the British Board of Film Classification about to consult with the people. And be warned, do not print out the article, I tried and it prints at one line per page, a grand total of 268 pages! Cheers David ***** After 87 years of cuts behind closed doors, the censor finally asks film-goers what they think by Robert Verkaik and Paul Lashmar 18 October 1999 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/UK/Media/media181099.shtml Britain's film censors are to launch an unprecedented public consultation to find out how much sex, violence and swearing the nation thinks should be allowed in films released in the United Kingdom. New guidelines, setting out clearly for the first time exactly how the censors will classify cinema and video releases, is to be published as part of the consultation. The British Board of Film Classification is responsible for certifying films under categories like U, A, PG or 18. The move is part of the biggest shake up of cinema and video censorship rules since the birth of the BBFC in 1912. The Board's recently appointed director Robin Duval and president Andreas Whittam Smith have advocated a new policy of openness and decisiveness for the always controversial organisation. Under the last director James Ferman (censor 1975-98) the BBFC had developed something of a reputation for secrecy and procrastination. Director Robin Duval has already said the highest priority for the BBFC is "to come out". "The public is entitled to know what we are doing on their behalf... and there maybe criteria that the public is concerned about." While Mr Duval said he believed that the Board had got classification system "about right" he said that there was "insufficient research" for him to hold this view in complete confidence. He expected the consultation exercise to greatly add to what was known about how the public regarded film censorship. Film censorship in the United Kingdom has been dogged by controversy ever since the first classification was introduced before yhe First World War which simply offered the public a choice between "U" and "A." The list of films that have created a storm is vast and includes: Monty Python's Life of Brian (blasphemy), Last Tango in Paris (buggery), Exorcist (terrifying), Reservoir Dogs (gratuitous violence), and Crash (sex with car crash victims). The BBFC is inevitably accused of corrupting the nation's morals if it releases controversial films and censorship if it doesn't. "Sometimes I think the best you can hope for is a parity of abuse," Mr Duval has said. Until now the processes at the BBFC have not always been clear and it was not always clear why a film was given a particular certificate or one film's scenes cut and another's allowed to remain. The Board employs a team of censors at its Soho Square headquarters who sit and watch all films for general release. They have to decide what certificate to award each film. They have to make tricky decisions like whether male actors are revealing a "Sid soft" which is OK within the board's current guidelines or a "Harry hard", which requires instant removal. Sexually explicit films are often cut before going on general release. The board tend to be tougher on videos as these can more easily be seen by youngsters. Last month outrage followed the BBFC's decision to grant a general release 18 certificate for the French film "Romance" starring hard-porn legend Rocco Siffredi. At the time MP Gerald Howarth, chairman of the Lords and Commons Family and Child Protection Group, said it was "small wonder that 12-year-old girls were becoming pregnant when obscene films were common currency." Yet equally there is growing support for a more relaxed approach to hard core porn film classification. Under the shake-up BBFC will issue draft guidelines for all its certificates from U right up to the Restricted 18 category for soft-core pornography films. Mr Duval said the new guidelines will clarify exactly what is and what is not permitted in a film which has been passed with one of the Board's classifications. He said, "If there was, much to our surprise, strong evidence that we had got it wrong in some respect, either too relaxed or too restricted, then we would respond," confirmed Mr Duval. Mr Duval said no change would be made if the BBFC considered the change would be harmful and would not consider any change in the rules relating to films which portrayed drug taking. "We have so much evidence that drugs have a harmful influence on adults that we would not respond to that call," said Mr Duval. He said the same kind of argument applied to any material that might harm children. Mr Duval said that under the new guidelines in the Restricted 18 category, the constraint on masturbation had been redefined as the "the manipulation of the genitals at the point at which it becomes masturbation." The old guidelines simply referred to a prohibition on "a clear sight of masturbation." Mr Duval was appointed as director in January after 13 years working at the Independent Television Commission where he was deputy head of programmes. Andreas Whittam Smith took over as chairman of the board last year. He was a founding editor of The Independent. They have already certified a batch of films that had been held up under the previous director. The British film censors' position is made that much more difficult by the fact the BBFC has no legal status in film censorship or classification. The local authority is statutory censor and has the final say on what cinemas operating in its locality can and can not screen. In the vast majority of cases the authority is happy to defer to the BBFC. But three years ago, in a controversial move, Westminster City Council banned David Cronenberg's film Crash, which includes scenes of sex with car crash victims, before the BBFC had even had a chance to look at it. The new guidelines will be sent to all those involved in the film industry, groups which represent the film-going public and organisations which have an interest in film and video censorship. He said he also hoped the new rules, to be finalised in the Spring, would be more "robust" and help people to have a better understanding of each of the classifications. The consultation follows the BBFC's decision to seek judicial review of a recent decision by the Video Appeal Committee (VAC) overturn the Board's refusal to grant Restricted 18 certificates for seven sex videos. The VAC rejected the Board's argument that a Restricted 18 classification should be refused just because the material might be harmful to children if it "fell in to their hands." Mr Duval said the Board believed the VAC had wrongly interpreted the definition of harm. Nevertheless, Mr Duval conceded that if the courts found in favour of the VAC it the BBFC would have to consider amending this classification. The Board only grants classifications to between 30 and 40 R18 videos a year. Mr Duval said that one of the reasons the Board had decided to revise its rules and consult the public was the threat of legal challenges in the UK courts when the Human Rights Act comes into force next year. Under the European Convention of Human Rights restrictions on freedom of speech, which include the BBFC's classification must be set out clearly. The codes of classification from 'U' to 'X' To ensure that film censorship was consistent throughout the country the film industry set up the British Board of Film Censors in 1912. The following year the "U" and "A" gave the public the choice between watching a film suitable for a child or an adult. In 1932 the "H" certificate indicated a horror film but was only advisory. 1951 saw the birth of the first "X" certificate which restricted admission to those of 16 or over. At the time the BBFC insisted that the new category was not merely "for sordid films dealing with unpleasant subjects, but films which, while not being suitable for children, are good adult entertainment and films which might appeal to an intelligent public." In 1970 the first attempt to introduce a broader classification of films was made. These were: "U" Universal. "A" Admits children of five years of age whether accompanied by an adult or not and may contain some material that some parents may prefer their children under 14 not to see. "AA" Admits children over 14. "X" Only 18-year-olds and over are allowed to watch these films. In 1982 the Parental Guidance (PG) and Restricted 18 Classification, for sex films, were added while "AA" became "15" and "X" was changed to "18." Moments of sex and violence that became classic controversies Straw Dogs, 1971 Sam Peckinpah's portrayal of rape caused outrage. It is still banned from video release in the UK. Last Tango in Paris, 1973 Released with cuts as the first mainstream film with male/female buggery. Monty Python's Life of Brian, 1979 This comic take on the life of Jesus resulted in blasphemy complaints. Reservoir Dogs, 1992 Tarantino's piece of gratuitous violence was released uncut with an 18 certificate but banned on video. Natural Born Killers, 1994 Oliver Stone's unappetising film of two psychotics killing large numbers of fellow Americans. Release delayed by media furore. ===== David Goldstein email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au post: 5 Coles Lane, Oakington, Cambridge, CB4 5BA, UK phone: + 44 (0)1223 574 857 (h); +44 (0)1223 237 700 (w); +44 (0)7979 965 503 (mobile). ICQ: 32130305. _______________________________________________________________ We're taking care of bidness at Yahoo! Australia & NZ Auctions Buy or sell almost anything, and it's FREE to list - http://auctions.yahoo.com.au * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Tue Oct 19 09:15:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA114198; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:15:37 GMT Received: from web1302.mail.yahoo.com (web1302.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.152]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA114186 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 09:15:26 GMT Message-ID: <19991019093055.26649.rocketmail@web1302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.129.101.40] by web1302.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:30:55 EST Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:30:55 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: NY Times Review of Books ~ China in Cyberspace To: "Mailing List" APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all An article on Internet censorship in China from the New York Review of Books. It is 13 pages of the New York Times Review of Books web site. Cheers David China in Cyberspace IAN BURUMA November 4, 1999 http://www.nybooks.com/nyrev/WWWfeatdisplay.cgi?19991104009F It is not widely known that the People's Republic of China and Taiwan are now at war. The battles are not being fought on land, however, or at sea, or even, strictly speaking, in the air; they take place in cyberspace, where nobody so far has ever died. The soldiers in this war are invisible figures buried deep inside government offices, "hacking" their way into computers on enemy territory. As soon as the Taiwanese president, Lee Teng-hui, announced, on July 9, that his country should be treated as a separate state, the battle was joined. The technology is quite new, of course, but the use of it can be touchingly old-fashioned: a picture of the PRC flag was planted by Beijing's official hackers on the website of the Taiwanese intelligence agency, as though it were conquered territory. Then, in August alone, 72,000 cyberspace attacks were launched from mainland computers, 165 times with success. Success can be an invasion of secret websites, as in the example of the planted flag. Another form of attack-also used against US government agencies after the Chinese embassy bombing in Belgrade-is to swamp websites with so much e-mail, or "e-mail bombs," that they are overloaded and knocked out of use. On their side, the Ministry of Public Security in Beijing set up a special unit to combat enemy hackers, or, as it was officially put, "to prevent an invasion of hostile forces."1 Planting flags or slogans on the enemy's websites is a technically more sophisticated variation of a crude tactic used for many years in the propaganda war between the Republic of China and the People's Republic of China: balloons filled with propaganda material were floated across the Taiwan Strait. Perhaps things have changed now, but visitors to the ROC military base in Quemoy, just off the Chinese mainland, used to be handed colorful balloons, usually after a copious lunch, and before they knew it, they would be photographed as allies in the war with the "Communist bandits." I once did my unsuspecting duty in that war myself, looking like a drunk at a children's party. ... For the rest of this article, go to http://www.nybooks.com/nyrev/WWWfeatdisplay.cgi?19991104009F. ===== David Goldstein email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au post: 5 Coles Lane, Oakington, Cambridge, CB4 5BA, UK phone: + 44 (0)1223 574 857 (h); +44 (0)1223 237 700 (w); +44 (0)7979 965 503 (mobile). ICQ: 32130305. _______________________________________________________________ We're taking care of bidness at Yahoo! Australia & NZ Auctions Buy or sell almost anything, and it's FREE to list - http://auctions.yahoo.com.au * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Wed Oct 20 09:00:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id IAA133100; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:58:08 GMT Received: from web1304.mail.yahoo.com (web1304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.154]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA105779 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:58:03 GMT Message-ID: <19991020085754.28924.rocketmail@web1304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.129.101.40] by web1304.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:57:54 EST Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:57:54 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: US survey of public attitudes To: "Mailing List" APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all A story from Wired News on a US survey that says 'many Americans eagerly support government restrictions on the Internet and TV, according to a new Freedom Forum survey'. The Wired story is at: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,31972,00.html Details on the First Amendment Center national survey are available at: http://www.freedomforum.org/first/sofa/1999/welcome.asp. Cheers David ===== David Goldstein email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au post: 5 Coles Lane, Oakington, Cambridge, CB4 5BA, UK phone: + 44 (0)1223 574 857 (h); +44 (0)1223 237 700 (w); +44 (0)7979 965 503 (mobile). ICQ: 32130305. _______________________________________________________________ We're taking care of bidness at Yahoo! Australia & NZ Auctions Buy or sell almost anything, and it's FREE to list - http://auctions.yahoo.com.au * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Wed Oct 20 14:34:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id OAA129975; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:33:35 GMT Received: from web1305.mail.yahoo.com (web1305.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.155]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA129960 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:33:24 GMT Message-ID: <19991020143335.20714.rocketmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.129.101.40] by web1305.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:33:35 EST Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 00:33:35 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: ZDNET ~ COPA Commission: too little, too late To: "Mailing List" APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All A story on the Children's Online Protection Act Commission in the USA on which an announcement is due to be made on who will be appointed. Cheers David ******************************* COPA Commission: too little, too late By Michael R. Zimmerman, PC Week October 18, 1999 7:42 AM PT URL: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2375104,00.html After a year-long silence and with an impending deadline staring him in the face, U.S. Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert (R.-Ill.) is set to announce his recommendations for appointment to the Children's Online Protection Act Commission. That announcement, however, is likely to fall on deaf ears, as the commission in question is scheduled to terminate within 30 days, according to the Act, which was signed into law last October. As part of COPA, a commission consisting of 16 high-tech industry members and three ex-officio members was to be established to study possible methods of helping reduce access by minors to material deemed harmful to them on the Internet. According to the Act, Hastert and Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R.-Miss) were to appoint eight industry members each. Once those members were chosen, the commission was to craft and file a report on their findings no later than one year after enactment of COPA. The report was to provide descriptions and analysis of technologies and methods that could be used to achieve their goals; conclusions and recommendations of those technologies; and recommended ways to legislatively implement those conclusions. As a final part of COPA, the commission was to be terminated 30 days after the filing of the report. While Lott submitted his recommendations early on in the process, Hastert's office has dragged its feet. Asked about the status of the commission and the delay, John Feehrey, a spokesman for Hastert, told PC Week Online Friday evening: "I have no idea." He later attributed the delay to Hastert's relatively recent appointment as Speaker and his desire to "go through the process carefully." The recommendations, which Hastert will make either Monday or Tuesday, will come almost exactly one year after COPA was signed into law, and at the time when the commission's report was to be submitted. Now what? As political watchdogs and Netizens alike look on, the issue becomes one of timing and legality. "The question becomes, 'Does the commission have any legal validity after it passes its deadline?'" said David Sobel, general counsel for the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington. "I would maintain that, once this passes the one-year deadline, the commission has no legal validity." At deadline, Hastert's office could not confirm the legal impact of the likely missed deadline on the commission or on COPA in general. However, several observers close to the situation said Congressional deadlines are often rectified through amendments. At the same time, those observers were uncertain of the ability to extend the deadline of a section of an enacted law after the deadline had passed. The lack of such an extension, however, will just be COPA's latest setback. Shortly after the Act was voted into law, the American Civil Liberties Union challenged in federal court the constitutionality of a major portion of COPA that describes material harmful to minors. The courts found that there was sufficient cause to delay the implementation of the law until it could be settled in court. That trial, however, is not likely to begin for at least a year. ===== David Goldstein email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au post: 5 Coles Lane, Oakington, Cambridge, CB4 5BA, UK phone: + 44 (0)1223 574 857 (h); +44 (0)1223 237 700 (w); +44 (0)7979 965 503 (mobile). ICQ: 32130305. _______________________________________________________________ We're taking care of bidness at Yahoo! Australia & NZ Auctions Buy or sell almost anything, and it's FREE to list - http://auctions.yahoo.com.au * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Thu Oct 21 09:49:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA134099; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:47:07 GMT Received: from web1304.mail.yahoo.com (web1304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.154]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA71874 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:47:05 GMT Message-ID: <19991021094749.10255.rocketmail@web1304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.129.101.40] by web1304.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:47:49 EST Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:47:49 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: CNET - FTC releases child privacy protection rules To: "Mailing List" APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All The FTC released its child protection rules yesterday. Below is a story from CNET about these rules. There is another story from ZDNET at http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2377263,00.html?chkpt=hpqsnewstest and the Act itself is online at http://www.cdt.org/legislation/105th/privacy/coppa.html. The FTC news release is available at http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1999/9910/childfinal.htm. Cheers David FTC releases child privacy protection rules By Courtney Macavinta Staff Writer, CNET News.com October 20, 1999, 12:10 p.m. PT URL: http://news.cnet.com/category/0-1005-200-920529.html Web sites must get parental permission before collecting personal information from preteens in most cases under new rules issued today by the Federal Trade Commission. Implementing the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act passed last year by Congress, the FTC's rules go into effect April 21 of next year. "The rule meets the mandates of the statute. It puts parents in control over the information collected from their children online and is flexible enough to accommodate the many business practices and technological changes occurring on the Internet," FTC chairman Robert Pitofsky said in a statement. Sites targeting children under age 13, such as Kids.com or Disney's sites for children, will have to post their data-collection practices and in most cases will also have to get "verifiable parental consent," before gathering children's personal information or sharing it with a third party. Sites also will have to give parents access to their children's personal information and allow them to prevent further use of the data. Although privacy groups have been lobbying for new legal protections for all computer users, the Clinton administration favors industry self-regulation. The most popular sites on the Net usually have privacy policies explaining what type of information they collect and how they plan to use it, but the recourse for violating voluntary principles usually involves losing an industry privacy seal or, at worst, being turned over to the FTC. Still, the FTC's own studies show that not all sites post privacy policies or take special care when it comes to children. The FTC released a study in June of 1998 showing that 89 percent of children's sites surveyed collected personal details from youngsters, but just over half provided some disclosure of their practices. A similar university study released this May found that more than 90 percent of the posted privacy policies on the Net are inadequate. The FTC's new children's rules, which were passed by a 4-0 vote, also put a "sliding scale" in place for the next two years that gives Web sites flexibility regarding how they obtain parental consent to collect a child's information. For online transactions such as e-commerce, which require the collection of sensitive information, sites will have to get parents' written permission through regular mail, fax, credit card verification, a toll-free number, or email that is protected by a password to deter children from forging email from their parents. But when it comes to harnessing information from children for marketing purposes, sites only will have to get parental permission via email. "For internal uses of information, such as an operator's marketing back to a child based on the child's personal information, operators will be permitted to use email, as long as additional steps are taken to ensure that the parent is providing consent," the new rules state. "Such steps could include sending a confirmatory email to the parent following receipt of consent, or obtaining a postal address or telephone number from the parent and confirming the parent's consent by letter or telephone call." The FTC said that the sliding scale method will be dissolved in April 2002 and that "more reliable" methods will be put in place "unless the commission determines more secure electronic methods of consent are not widely available." Sites won't always have to get parental permission before collecting a child's email address or name. The rules lay out several exceptions, including when a site responds to an email question sent by a child, or when a child enters a contest or subscribes to a newsletter, for example. And sites that sign on to voluntary industry guidelines approved by the FTC will be protected from regulatory action under the rules. For the most part, consumer advocates seemed pleased with the FTC's action. "These rules should help guide the development of this powerful new commercial medium," Kathryn Montgomery, president of the Center for Media Education, said in a statement. But Montgomery did warn that marketers could skirt the rules in some cases. "We will continue to monitor online practices and report potential violations to the commission," she added. Others want the FTC to expand the protections for all Net users. "This is a significant milestone in progress for privacy rights online," said Jason Catlett, founder of Junkbusters, a clearinghouse for privacy-protection measures. "I wish that they had the same position on teenagers and adults," he added. "Americans should not lose all privacy rights online the day they turn 13." ===== David Goldstein email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au post: 5 Coles Lane, Oakington, Cambridge, CB4 5BA, UK phone: + 44 (0)1223 574 857 (h); +44 (0)1223 237 700 (w); +44 (0)7979 965 503 (mobile). ICQ: 32130305. _______________________________________________________________ We're taking care of bidness at Yahoo! Australia & NZ Auctions Buy or sell almost anything, and it's FREE to list - http://auctions.yahoo.com.au * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Fri Oct 22 20:49:44 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA137837; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:47:55 +1000 (EST) Received: from web1301.mail.yahoo.com (web1301.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.151]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA137833 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:47:52 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19991022104927.248.rocketmail@web1301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.129.101.40] by web1301.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:49:27 EST Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:49:27 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: CNET ~ Lawmakers resurrect Net gambling bill To: "Mailing List" APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi All Part of the ongoing debate on whether online casinos will be allowed to continue, or whether Americans will be able to gamble on them. Probably much of a muchness! Cheers David Lawmakers resurrect Net gambling bill By Courtney Macavinta Staff Writer, CNET News.com October 21, 1999, 8:45 a.m. PT URL: http://news.cnet.com/category/0-1005-200-921267.html Federal lawmakers revived a bill today to make cybercasinos fold their cards. A bipartisan group of House members has reintroduced a version of the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act to outlaw most forms of online wagering and slap Net casino operators with penalties of up to four years in prison. "Having a casino in one's home only encourages gambling addicts and sparks the interest of children. It is time to shine a bright light on gambling in this country and bring a quick end to illegal gambling on the Internet," Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Virginia), a chief sponsor of the bill, said in a statement. The federal Wire Act already allows states to prosecute those who "knowingly use a wire communication facility for the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of bets, wagers, or information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers." It is unclear whether the Wire Act applies to the Internet. But groups such as the National Association for Attorneys General are pushing for Congress to pass the bill, which would update the act to include computer networks. Opponents of the bill, such as the Interactive Gaming Council, want the United States to follow parts of Australia and regulate Net gambling--not ban it. Like a flagship bill that has made ground in the Senate--Sen. Jon Kyl's (R-Arizona) Internet Gambling Prohibition Act--the House bill doesn't preempt state laws that permit gambling through "closed loop," subscription-based gambling services; horse races; lotteries; and fantasy sports leagues. Kyl's bill would include the Internet under the existing law prohibiting the use of any wire communication for accepting interstate or foreign wagers, which the Justice Department estimates was a $600 million industry in 1997. Cybercasino operators would face fines up to $20,000 and four years in prison for violating the act, and Net casinos based on Indian reservations would be prohibited. The Senate passed the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act last session, but it never cleared the final hurdle in the House. However, the Justice Department has said that the bill is too broad, and that it places stricter constraints on Net gamblers than those in the offline world. ===== David Goldstein email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au post: 5 Coles Lane, Oakington, Cambridge, CB4 5BA, UK phone: + 44 (0)1223 574 857 (h); +44 (0)1223 237 700 (w); +44 (0)7979 965 503 (mobile). ICQ: 32130305. _______________________________________________________________ We're taking care of bidness at Yahoo! Australia & NZ Auctions Buy or sell almost anything, and it's FREE to list - http://auctions.yahoo.com.au * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@ns.apnic.net Sat Oct 23 07:03:10 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA90402; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 07:02:41 +1000 (EST) Received: from gatekeeper.pipermar.com (gatekeeper.pipermar.com [206.181.226.34]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA90397 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 07:02:34 +1000 (EST) Received: by gatekeeper.pipermar.com; id RAA25306; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(192.168.100.12) by gatekeeper.pipermar.com via smap (V5.5) id xma024804; Fri, 22 Oct 99 17:02:03 -0400 Received: by baltmsg1.pipermar.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:55:03 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Halpert, James - DC" To: "'David Goldstein'" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mailing=A0List=22_APPLe?= Subject: RE: CNET ~ Lawmakers resurrect Net gambling bill Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:00:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Because the House and Senate bills are very similar and appear to have strong backing, it is quite likely that an Internet gambling bill will become law in the U.S. in the next year. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Goldstein [SMTP:goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au] > Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 6:49 AM > To: Mailing List" APPLe > Subject: CNET ~ Lawmakers resurrect Net gambling bill > > Hi All > > Part of the ongoing debate on whether online casinos will be > allowed to continue, or whether Americans will be able to gamble > on them. Probably much of a muchness! > > Cheers > David > > Lawmakers resurrect Net gambling bill > By Courtney Macavinta > Staff Writer, CNET News.com > October 21, 1999, 8:45 a.m. PT > URL: http://news.cnet.com/category/0-1005-200-921267.html > > Federal lawmakers revived a bill today to make cybercasinos fold > their cards. > > A bipartisan group of House members has reintroduced a version > of the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act to outlaw most forms of > online wagering and slap Net casino operators with penalties of > up to four years in prison. > > "Having a casino in one's home only encourages gambling addicts > and sparks the interest of children. It is time to shine a > bright light on gambling in this country and bring a quick end > to illegal gambling on the Internet," Rep. Bob Goodlatte > (R-Virginia), a chief sponsor of the bill, said in a statement. > > The federal Wire Act already allows states to prosecute those > who "knowingly use a wire communication facility for the > transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of bets, wagers, > or information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers." > > It is unclear whether the Wire Act applies to the Internet. But > groups such as the National Association for Attorneys General > are pushing for Congress to pass the bill, which would update > the act to include computer networks. Opponents of the bill, > such as the Interactive Gaming Council, want the United States > to follow parts of Australia and regulate Net gambling--not ban > it. > > Like a flagship bill that has made ground in the Senate--Sen. > Jon Kyl's (R-Arizona) Internet Gambling Prohibition Act--the > House bill doesn't preempt state laws that permit gambling > through "closed loop," subscription-based gambling services; > horse races; lotteries; and fantasy sports leagues. > > Kyl's bill would include the Internet under the existing law > prohibiting the use of any wire communication for accepting > interstate or foreign wagers, which the Justice Department > estimates was a $600 million industry in 1997. Cybercasino > operators would face fines up to $20,000 and four years in > prison for violating the act, and Net casinos based on Indian > reservations would be prohibited. > > The Senate passed the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act last > session, but it never cleared the final hurdle in the House. > However, the Justice Department has said that the bill is too > broad, and that it places stricter constraints on Net gamblers > than those in the offline world. > > > > ===== > David Goldstein > email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au > post: 5 Coles Lane, Oakington, Cambridge, CB4 5BA, UK > phone: + 44 (0)1223 574 857 (h); +44 (0)1223 237 700 (w); > +44 (0)7979 965 503 (mobile). ICQ: 32130305. > _______________________________________________________________ > We're taking care of bidness at Yahoo! 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Thank you. ____________________________________________________________________________ * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Tue Oct 26 11:02:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA88529; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 10:59:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (smtp2.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.82]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA88522 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 10:59:22 +1000 (EST) Received: from laina (qtas1560.singnet.com.sg [165.21.52.190]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA22652 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 08:59:07 +0800 (SGT) From: "Laina Raveendran Greene" To: Subject: *Newsflash* PLDTI slaps PLDT with Php100 Million Countersuit Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 18:08:42 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bf1f4e$a54780a0$3cc1fe90@laina.TNET99.NET> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: High X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 For immediate release Tuesday, October 16, 1999, 1:15 am - ------------------------------------------------ PLDTI SLAPS PLDT WITH PHP100 MILLION COUNTERSUIT - ------------------------------------------------ The Philippine League for Democratic Telecommunications, Inc. (PLDTI) today filed its Answer to the Philippine Long Distance Telephone Company's (PLDT) Complaint for Unlawful Use of Tradename and Unfair Competition, and sought compulsory counterclaims amounting to one hundred million pesos (Php100,000,000.00) before Branch 90 of the Quezon City Regional Trial Court. In its answer, PLDTI stated that PLDT's suit against it was "maliciously filed" and "constitued gross negligence, if not wanton bad faith" due to PLDT's inclusion of PLDTI in their suit regarding the creation and maintenance of the PLDT.COM website. The said website is the subject of litigation in the PLDT's case, which co-named Mr. Gerardo Kaimo, an incorporator and trustee in PLDTI. "Defendant Kaimo has publicly admitted he is the sole registrant of the PLDT.COM domain, and the sole creator and webmaster (along with assistant personnel) of the www.pldt.com website," stated Rod Domingo, legal counsel of PLDTI. "While PLDTI is completely behind Mr. Kaimo with moral support in this case, PLDT is clearly and utterly unwarranted in naming PLDTI as a co-defendant as PLDTI has had no involvement whatsoever with either the domain name or website in question. Furthermore, PLDTI shares the arguments and positions Mr. Kaimo holds in his defense against PLDT." In its prayer, PLDTI asked the court to dismiss the case against itself, and also asked for fifty million pesos (Php50,000,000.00) in moral damages, as well as fifty million pesos (Php50,000,000.00) in exemplary damages. To justify its request for moral damages, PLDTI claimed injury to its reputation and good name as a leading watchdog against PLDT's own abuses against the general consuming public, and asked the court to further award it an equal amount to make an example of the telco giant. "This should show PLDT that in a free and democratic country such as ours, they can't just bully and harass their critics into submission," said Jonathan Domingo, PLDTI's secretary-general. "Maybe next time, PLDT and other companies like it will think twice before dragging innocent people to court." PLDTI is a consumer organization dedicated to fighting abuses by large business interests against the general public welfare. In an article published in a leading newspaper in late 1998, the consumer group alerted the public to PLDT's impending move to impose mandatory metering on local telephone calls, sparking waves of protest among consumers throughout the country. After a number of hearings before various government authorities, the move was later suspended indefinitely by the National Telecommunications Commission. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.1 iQA/AwUBOBQgOsKkI3Dn+dUpEQLvbwCfU7mRVmuT/UsX1slbJ4uSPa3fLzwAn3vx eOycqIn+irCzeYvtVmURoDXl =0uOp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - PH-ISP List. To quit, mail "unsubscribe ph-isp" to majordomo@lists.iphil.net * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Wed Oct 27 00:43:43 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA76724; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 00:42:54 +1000 (EST) Received: from web1304.mail.yahoo.com (web1304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.154]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA76711 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 00:42:43 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19991026144734.29173.rocketmail@web1304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.129.101.40] by web1304.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 00:47:34 EST Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 00:47:34 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: ZDNET ~ House speaker quits sitting on COPA To: "Mailing List" APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi All A story from ZDNET, 'House Speaker Quits Sitting on COPA' includes the list of members appointed to the Children's Online Protection Commission, by Speaker Dennis Haster. cheers David House speaker quits sitting on COPA By Michael R. Zimmerman, PC Week October 25, 1999 12:21 PM PT URL: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,1017827,00.html In a last-minute scramble, the office of House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.), last week finally announced its appointments to the Children's Online Protection Act Commission. The temporary commission, signed into law as part of the Children's Online Protection Act in October 1998, was to have filed a report to Congress by this Oct. 21 that recommended technologies and methods for reducing access to harmful material by minors on the Internet. When the deadline was just three days away, Hastert appointed five members to the commission: Stephen Balkam, president of the Recreational Software Advisory Council; John Bastian, CEO of Security Software Systems; Robert Flores, senior counsel and vice president with the National Law Center for Children and Families; William Parker, CEO of Crosswalk.com; and PSINet Inc. CEO William Schrader. The Speaker offered his remaining three appointments to House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt (D.-Mo.), who appointed C. James Schmidt, San Jose State University chief information officer; Larry Shapiro, Disney/Buena Vista Internet group executive vice president of business development and operations; and George Vradenburg, America Online Inc.'s senior vice president for global and strategic policy. The difference in the Senate The tardy appointments by Hastert were in stark contrast to those made by his counterparts in the Senate. Majority Leader Trent Lott (R.-Miss.) and Minority Leader Thomas Daschle (D.-S.D.) filed their respective appointments (five by Lott, three by Daschle) to the commission in March. A spokesman for Hastert did not return phone calls concerning the delay. In a statement released last week, Gephardt said he will urge Hastert to extend the deadline for the commission's report that expired last Thursday. Sources close to the situation in Washington said it would be reasonable to expect an extension of about a year. One catch currently in debate in the House concerns the commission's termination. As part of the COPA law, the commission was to have terminated 30 days after the report was submitted. But if no report was filed in the period mandated, what does that mean for the state of the commission? So far, there has been no answer to that question. However, late Friday sources said House Republicans were interpreting the 30-day period between deadline and termination as a buffer zone in which to amend the law and vote on an extension. ===== David Goldstein email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au post: 5 Coles Lane, Oakington, Cambridge, CB4 5BA, UK phone: + 44 (0)1223 574 857 (h); +44 (0)1223 237 700 (w); +44 (0)7979 965 503 (mobile). ICQ: 32130305. _______________________________________________________________ We're taking care of bidness at Yahoo! Australia & NZ Auctions Buy or sell almost anything, and it's FREE to list - http://auctions.yahoo.com.au * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Thu Oct 28 08:28:57 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA70543; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 08:26:26 +1000 (EST) Received: from web1304.mail.yahoo.com (web1304.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.154]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA70535 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 08:26:23 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19991027170537.8879.rocketmail@web1304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.129.101.40] by web1304.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 03:05:37 EST Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 03:05:37 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: Joint Kaidanren/ILPF Workshop on Electronic Signatures To: "Mailing List" APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk This workshop on electronic signatures and authentication in Tokyo on Friday, 19 November 1999 might be of interest to some people. Cheers David -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Joint Kaidanren/ILPF Workshop on Electronic Signatures and Authentication Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:25:31 -0400 From: Marilyn Malenfant Reply-To: malenfant@ilpf.org Organization: ILPF To: contacts@ilpf.org The Internet Law & Policy Forum is pleased to formally announce a Joint Kaidanren/ILPF Workshop on Electronic Signatures and Authentication Friday, 19 November 1999 Tokyo, Japan A reception will follow the workshop. The workshop will examine traditional Japanese concepts of authorization and signature in comparison with other national and international electronic authentication regimes and initiatives. It is a significant opportunity to explore differences in legal culture and discuss cross border recognition of electronic authentication methods just as the Japanese government makes plans to introduce legislation on the topic. Senior representatives of the Japanese government as well as international experts on electronic authentication laws will take part in the discussions. Additional materials, including a program, http://www.ilpf.org/workshop/program99.html, a background memorandum http://www.ilpf.org/workshop/memo99.html, information about making room reservations at the Akasaka Prince Hotel, http://www.ilpf.org/workshop/reservations99.html, and a separate invitation to the reception, http://www.ilpf.org/workshop/reception99.html, are available on the ILPF web site. If you can join us in Tokyo, please reply by e mail to Marilyn Malenfant, malenfant@ilpf.org. We hope that you will also forward this invitation to colleagues, especially those in Japan and the Asia Pacific region. We look forward to your participation. M. Katoh Chair 1.202.331.8750 mkatoh@wdc.fujitsu.com Ruth Day Executive Director Internet Law & Policy Forum 1.212.447.4809 phone rday@ilpf.org www.ilpf.org -- Marilyn Malenfant Administrative Coordinator Internet Law and Policy Forum Montreal, Canada Tel: +1.514.639.9118 Fax: +1.514.639.0999 Email: malenfant@ilpf.org URL: http://www.ilpf.org ===== David Goldstein email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au post: 5 Coles Lane, Oakington, Cambridge, CB4 5BA, UK phone: + 44 (0)1223 574 857 (h); +44 (0)1223 237 700 (w); +44 (0)7979 965 503 (mobile). ICQ: 32130305. _______________________________________________________________ We're taking care of bidness at Yahoo! Australia & NZ Auctions Buy or sell almost anything, and it's FREE to list - http://auctions.yahoo.com.au * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Thu Oct 28 18:34:08 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA67128; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:33:41 +1000 (EST) Received: from gateway.ntu.edu.sg ([155.69.1.127]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA134141 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:19:23 +1000 (EST) Received: by gateway.ntu.edu.sg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:18:59 +0800 Message-ID: <1DD1B50DBE02D311909900805FA7424B883BD7@EXCHANGE5> From: "Ang Peng Hwa (Assoc Prof)" To: "'APPLe'" Subject: Bridge for sale Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:19:07 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk INTERNET PORN RULING APPEALED AGAIN A Virginia law that prohibits state employees from using state computers to access sexually oriented content at work is being challenged in court by half a dozen public college professors, who are being represented by the ACLU. The professors argue that the law, which was declared unconstitutional in early 1998 and then reinstated one year later, hinders their academic research efforts on the Internet. The law "singles out a particular category of expression the legislature decided it didn't like," and thus is unconstitutional, says Majorie Helms, the ACLU lawyer representing the professors. The law provides exceptions for research that has been approved by a professor's dean, says William H. Hurd, senior counsel to Attorney General Mark L. Earley. (Washington Post 10/27/99) My comment as an academic? Heh heh heh. More seriously, I'm not sure if the profs are aware that their visits can be tracked at the domain level and this information has in fact been used against government agencies for their hypocrisy. The Asian Wall Street Journal has an October 15 article to that effect. Regards, Ang Peng Hwa * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Fri Oct 29 20:43:40 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA89914; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:40:41 +1000 (EST) Received: from gateway.ntu.edu.sg (gateway.ntu.edu.sg [155.69.1.127]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA89909 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:40:39 +1000 (EST) Received: by gateway.ntu.edu.sg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:40:23 +0800 Message-ID: <1DD1B50DBE02D311909900805FA7424B883BFE@EXCHANGE5> From: "Ang Peng Hwa (Assoc Prof)" To: "'APPLe'" Subject: Uproar over secrecy on ban lists Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:40:26 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Folks, Have you seen this? My 2 cents: not sure what the uproar is about. So far, all ban lists are secret. Regards, Ang Peng Hwa Uproar over secrecy on ban lists By JENNY SINCLAIR Tuesday 26 October 1999 http://www.it.fairfax.com.au/communications/19991026/A4430-1999Oct22.html SECRET lists of banned websites would be used to censor Australian Internet access under a new code of conduct for Internet service providers. The lists would be used by filtering software companies to block sites, but users and ISPs would not know what sites were shut out. The Internet Society of Australia has hit out at the "in confidence" lists of banned sites suggested in the latest draft of the Internet Industry Association's (IIA) code of conduct, known as version 5.0. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Sat Oct 30 01:05:02 1999 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA106069; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 01:04:27 +1000 (EST) Received: from web1303.mail.yahoo.com (web1303.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.153]) by whois.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA106061 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 01:04:20 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19991029151124.25592.rocketmail@web1303.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.129.101.40] by web1303.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 01:11:24 EST Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 01:11:24 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Goldstein?= Subject: ZDNET ~ White House opposes cybersquatting bill To: "Mailing List" APPLe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@lists.apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hello all An article on an announcement regarding the passing of a cybersquatting bill in the USA that will interest those with an interest in domain names.. Cheers David White House opposes cybersquatting bill By Reuters October 28, 1999 8:07 AM PT URL: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2383443,00.html WASHINGTON -- President Bill Clinton wants international regulations in place of national legislation to bar people from naming Internet sites with trademarks owned by famous companies, White House spokesman Joe Lockhart said on Wednesday. The White House statement followed the House of Representatives' approval Tuesday of legislation to crack down on so-called cybersquatting. Given the global nature of the Internet, with Web sites anywhere accessible to U.S. Internet users, the administration favored a more international approach to stop cybersquatting, Lockhart said. "We believe that fundamentally we'd be walking down the wrong road if we legislated a cybersquatting law and then the 200 or so Internet countries around the world started legislating their own rules and laws," he told reporters. "The right way to do it is through this international process and we're working very hard to get that done." Lockhart said the process should be overseen by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, a nonprofit group tabbed by the administration last year to oversee the Internet's naming system. In August the Senate passed similar legislation to that of the House, but a conference committee must reconcile the two versions before they are sent to Clinton. The two bills are intended to punish people who register a trademarked name hoping to profit later by selling it to the trademark owner, as well as people who use trademarks, or words similar to trademarks, to draw traffic to their own sites. Hidden porn sites For example, purveyors of pornography registered dosney.com, similar to Walt Disney Co.'s own Web site, and a seller of phone-calling cards not affiliated with AT&T Corp. registered the name attphonecard.com. Under current law, trademark holders generally file lawsuits to reclaim their names, or kick alleged trademark abusers off the Internet. Large companies complain that people have registered Internet sites using their trademarks and then have sought to sell the names back for thousands or even millions of dollars. Civil libertarians, however, have opposed the new legislation, arguing it threatens free expression on the Internet, possibly outlawing parody and protest sites. ===== David Goldstein email: Goldstein_David@yahoo.com.au post: 5 Coles Lane, Oakington, Cambridge, CB4 5BA, UK phone: + 44 (0)1223 574 857 (h); +44 (0)1223 237 700 (w); +44 (0)7979 965 503 (mobile). ICQ: 32130305. _______________________________________________________________ We're taking care of bidness at Yahoo! Australia & NZ Auctions Buy or sell almost anything, and it's FREE to list - http://auctions.yahoo.com.au * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net *