From owner-apnic-talk@ns.apnic.net Fri Dec 4 01:25:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id BAA10434; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:23:14 GMT Received: from svc00.apnic.net (svc00.apnic.net [202.12.28.131]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA10381; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:22:31 GMT From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (zinc.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.31]) by svc00.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA10710; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:28:31 GMT Received: from laina (qtas0917.singnet.com.sg [165.21.58.27]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA22673; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 09:16:14 +0800 (SGT) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 98 09:01:30 Subject: [apnic-talk] nominations to ICANN from AP* X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk (sorry for duplicates) I had four names proposed and all four have accepted to contribute. These are all individuals who have much experience in these IP and domain registration issues, not to mention who have all contributed to the development of the Internet in this region. I would suggest we hand in these names as from AP* organisations. If I do not hear from you, I will send them under APPLe, but would hope that AP* will support these nominations by sending in to ICANN (check out www.icann.org) the names you support, separately.This way we are assured that at least two of them will get onto the membership committee. Mr Rafee Yusoff, Malaysia Mr Harish Pillay, Singapore Ms Kanchana Kanchanasut, Thailand Mr Norbert Klein, Cambodia Regards, Laina Raveendran Greene ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 04/12/98 Time: 09:01:30 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APNIC-TALK: General APNIC Discussion List * * To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net * From owner-apnic-talk@ns.apnic.net Wed Dec 23 07:37:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA20215; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 07:32:30 GMT Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com (smtp0.mindspring.com [207.69.200.30]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA20201 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 07:32:20 GMT Received: from iperdome (user-37kb0d5.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.129.165]) by smtp0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA25488; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:29:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812230729.CAA25488@smtp0.mindspring.com> X-Sender: iquest1@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:27:13 -0500 To: list@ifwp.org From: Jay Fenello Subject: [apnic-talk] Re: [ifwp] ASO mailing list available Cc: Esther Dyson , mmr@darwin.ptvy.ca.us, Ira_C._Magaziner@oa.eop.gov, Becky Burr , paul.scolese@mail.house.gov, mark.harrington@mail.house.gov, ripe-list@ripe.net, naipr@arin.net, apnic-talk@apnic.net In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This posting is a result of an inquiry made by Jeff Williams. He wanted to know where he=20 could find PUBLIC discussions on the formation of the Address Supporting Organization (ASO)? Then . . . At 12/23/98, 12:09 AM, susancho wrote: >The discussion list for the ASO effort is available at aso@listbot.com. >You can subscribe by sending a blank email to aso-subscribe@listbot.com. Unfortunately, the list does not appear to be real. =20 If you join the list and try and view their list=20 archives, you get: "Sorry, no messages have been=20 sent to this list yet." So the question remains, "Where are the public discussions on the formation of the Address=20 Supporting Organization (ASO)?????" Jay. >__________________________________________________ >To receive the digest version instead, send a >blank email to ifwp-digest@lists.interactivehq.org > >To SUBSCRIBE forward this message to: >subscribe-IFWP@lists.interactivehq.org > >To UNSUBSCRIBE, forward this message to: >unsubscribe-ifwp@lists.interactivehq.org > >Problems/suggestions regarding this list? Email andy@interactivehq.org. >___END____________________________________________ >From: "susancho" >To: >Cc: "arin" , "arin Council" , > "IFWP Discussion List" >Subject: [anr-talk 455] Re: Re: Is it time for a new ASO and PSO? >Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:47:58 +0800 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 >Sender: owner-anr-talk@anr.org >Reply-To: anr-admin@anr.org > >Dear Jeff: >I found a mailing list aso@listbot.com for the Address Supporting >Organization. I believe the owner of the list must be committed. There is >also a responds, etc from zen@excite.com, I believe. >Maybe we should try contacting him. > >Susan > >----- Original Message ----- >From: jeff Williams >To: IFWP Discussion List >Cc: arin ; arin Council ; IFWP >Discussion List >Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 4:10 AM >Subject: [ifwp] Re: Is it time for a new ASO and PSO? > > >|John and all, >| >|John Curran wrote: >| >|> Private reply seeking input. >|> >|> At 02:19 AM 12/18/1998 +0000, jeff Williams wrote: >|> >|> >4.) ASO - Address Supporting Organization. To our knowledge >|> > there is not public posting or documentation outlining such >|> > and organization that has been made widely available for others >|> > to even review, none the less participate in discussions and >|> > debate on at this time. Should it be reasonable for anyone of >|> > reasonable faculties to consider that any proposal for such >|> > an organization be considered legitimate? You be the Judge... >|> >|> Jeff, >|> >|> I believe that the regional IP registries are currently discussing >|> ICANN with their membership. I know that this was discussed >|> at the most recent ARIN members meeting in Seattle with the >|> result being ARIN is to work with the other registries to come >|> up with an workable draft ASO proposal. >| >| This may be true, as I said "To my knowledge", no such public >|discussions >|are taking place with respect to a PSO or and ASO at this juncture. If >|they >|are where might a PUBLIC mailing list be located where these discussions >|are taking place? Please advise. >| >|> >|> >|> Aside from the membership mailing lists for ARIN, RIPE, >|> and APNIC, what other mailing lists do you think should >|> get notification of a draft document once its ready? >| >| There should be a mailing list NOW that allows for PUBLIC input and >|discussion BEFORE a draft document is ready John, that is the whole >|point of my previous point. Hence I an cc'ing this response to the >|Arin-talk and arin-council for their information. Why are these >|discussions >|taking place "Behind Closed Doors"? BTW, doing so is in violation of >|the NTIA's White Paper. >| >|> >|> >|> /John >| >|Regards, >|-- >|Jeffrey A. Williams >|CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. >|Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. >|E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com >|Contact Number: 972-447-1894 >|Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 >| >| >=20 Respectfully, Jay Fenello President, Iperdome, Inc.=A0=20 404-943-0524=A0 http://www.iperdome.com * APNIC-TALK: General APNIC Discussion List * * To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net * From owner-apnic-talk@ns.apnic.net Wed Dec 23 08:08:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id IAA22086; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:08:05 GMT Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA22078 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:08:01 GMT Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA16877; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 01:56:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from dal-tx43-56.ix.netcom.com(207.221.94.184) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma016871; Wed Dec 23 01:56:37 1998 Message-ID: <3680637E.C2012210@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:29:04 +0000 From: jeff Williams Organization: INEGroup INC. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: list@ifwp.org CC: Esther Dyson , "mmr@darwin.ptvy.ca.us" , "Ira_C._Magaziner@oa.eop.gov" , Becky Burr , paul.scolese@mail.house.gov, mark.harrington@mail.house.gov, ripe-list@ripe.net, naipr@arin.net, apnic-talk@apnic.net, IETF ORG Subject: [apnic-talk] Re: [ifwp] Re: ASO mailing list available References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------msE71B6D80103CF73B1BCF2458" Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------msE71B6D80103CF73B1BCF2458 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jay and all, I will again second this query. After checking out this mailing list that was put forth as one place where the discussions on the creation of an ASO is really no such thing at least no now. Yet we are seeing different posts from the IETF that such an ASO exists. Where is a discussion list of such an ASO? Jay Fenello wrote: > This posting is a result of an inquiry made > by Jeff Williams. He wanted to know where he > could find PUBLIC discussions on the formation > of the Address Supporting Organization (ASO)? > > Then . . . > > At 12/23/98, 12:09 AM, susancho wrote: > >The discussion list for the ASO effort is available at aso@listbot.com. > >You can subscribe by sending a blank email to aso-subscribe@listbot.com. > > Unfortunately, the list does not appear to be real. > > If you join the list and try and view their list > archives, you get: "Sorry, no messages have been > sent to this list yet." > > So the question remains, "Where are the public > discussions on the formation of the Address > Supporting Organization (ASO)?????" > > Jay. > > >__________________________________________________ > >To receive the digest version instead, send a > >blank email to ifwp-digest@lists.interactivehq.org > > > >To SUBSCRIBE forward this message to: > >subscribe-IFWP@lists.interactivehq.org > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE, forward this message to: > >unsubscribe-ifwp@lists.interactivehq.org > > > >Problems/suggestions regarding this list? Email andy@interactivehq.org. > >___END____________________________________________ > > >From: "susancho" > >To: > >Cc: "arin" , "arin Council" , > > "IFWP Discussion List" > >Subject: [anr-talk 455] Re: Re: Is it time for a new ASO and PSO? > >Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:47:58 +0800 > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 > >Sender: owner-anr-talk@anr.org > >Reply-To: anr-admin@anr.org > > > >Dear Jeff: > >I found a mailing list aso@listbot.com for the Address Supporting > >Organization. I believe the owner of the list must be committed. There is > >also a responds, etc from zen@excite.com, I believe. > >Maybe we should try contacting him. > > > >Susan > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: jeff Williams > >To: IFWP Discussion List > >Cc: arin ; arin Council ; IFWP > >Discussion List > >Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 4:10 AM > >Subject: [ifwp] Re: Is it time for a new ASO and PSO? > > > > > >|John and all, > >| > >|John Curran wrote: > >| > >|> Private reply seeking input. > >|> > >|> At 02:19 AM 12/18/1998 +0000, jeff Williams wrote: > >|> > >|> >4.) ASO - Address Supporting Organization. To our knowledge > >|> > there is not public posting or documentation outlining such > >|> > and organization that has been made widely available for others > >|> > to even review, none the less participate in discussions and > >|> > debate on at this time. Should it be reasonable for anyone of > >|> > reasonable faculties to consider that any proposal for such > >|> > an organization be considered legitimate? You be the Judge... > >|> > >|> Jeff, > >|> > >|> I believe that the regional IP registries are currently discussing > >|> ICANN with their membership. I know that this was discussed > >|> at the most recent ARIN members meeting in Seattle with the > >|> result being ARIN is to work with the other registries to come > >|> up with an workable draft ASO proposal. > >| > > >| This may be true, as I said "To my knowledge", no such public > >|discussions > >|are taking place with respect to a PSO or and ASO at this juncture. If > >|they > >|are where might a PUBLIC mailing list be located where these discussions > >|are taking place? Please advise. > >| > >|> > >|> > >|> Aside from the membership mailing lists for ARIN, RIPE, > >|> and APNIC, what other mailing lists do you think should > >|> get notification of a draft document once its ready? > >| > >| There should be a mailing list NOW that allows for PUBLIC input and > >|discussion BEFORE a draft document is ready John, that is the whole > >|point of my previous point. Hence I an cc'ing this response to the > >|Arin-talk and arin-council for their information. Why are these > >|discussions > >|taking place "Behind Closed Doors"? BTW, doing so is in violation of > >|the NTIA's White Paper. > >| > >|> > >|> > >|> /John > >| > >|Regards, > >|-- > >|Jeffrey A. Williams > >|CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. > >|Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. > >|E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com > >|Contact Number: 972-447-1894 > >|Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 > >| > >| > > > > Respectfully, > > Jay Fenello > President, Iperdome, Inc. > 404-943-0524 http://www.iperdome.com > > __________________________________________________ > To receive the digest version instead, send a > blank email to ifwp-digest@lists.interactivehq.org > > To SUBSCRIBE forward this message to: > subscribe-IFWP@lists.interactivehq.org > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, forward this message to: > unsubscribe-ifwp@lists.interactivehq.org > > Problems/suggestions regarding this list? Email andy@interactivehq.org. > ___END____________________________________________ Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. 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Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:28:21 GMT Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (smtp2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.32]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12204 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:28:18 GMT Received: from iperdome (user-38lc5eb.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.21.203]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA27284; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:24:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812231624.LAA27284@smtp2.mindspring.com> X-Sender: iquest1@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:21:49 -0500 To: John Curran From: Jay Fenello Subject: [apnic-talk] Re: [ifwp] ASO mailing list available Cc: list@ifwp.org, Esther Dyson , mmr@darwin.ptvy.ca.us, Ira_C._Magaziner@oa.eop.gov, Becky Burr , paul.scolese@mail.house.gov, mark.harrington@mail.house.gov, ripe-list@ripe.net, naipr@arin.net, apnic-talk@apnic.net In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981223100433.014158a0@127.0.0.1> References: <199812230729.CAA25488@smtp0.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk At 12/23/98, 10:10 AM, John Curran wrote: >Jay, > > I don't think there's been any discussions regarding ASO, > aside from regional registries noting ICANN's formation and > need to respond. Hi John, As an interested and informed party, I must agree -- there have *not* been any public discussions on the formation and/or structure of the ASO. On the other hand, the Regional IP Registries (RIRs) appear to be having private discussions on these issues. The problem, as I see it, is not the private discussions, it is the lack of public input into the process. If the RIRs want to spring a fait accompli plan on the Internet community in Singapore, they do so at their own risk. I've have been assured by Commerce that, before ICANN approves a Supporting Organization, their plan must be posted for public comments. Any deficiencies will be highlighted at that time. Given that IP addresses are a *much* more valuable Internet asset than domain names, this process will certainly be watched closely by Commerce, Congress, and the entire Internet community. > If you want to start a thread at "aso@listbot.com" or some > other list, that'll work. (Just let me know what is settled on > so that I can subscribe.) No thank you. I have no plans to form an ASO. As an interested party, however, I think it is important for the RIRs to conduct an open process, just like DNSO.org and the IETF are currently. IMHO & FWIW, Jay. >Thanks! >/John > >At 02:27 AM 12/23/1998 -0500, Jay Fenello wrote: >> >>This posting is a result of an inquiry made >>by Jeff Williams. He wanted to know where he >>could find PUBLIC discussions on the formation >>of the Address Supporting Organization (ASO)? >> >>Then . . . >> >> >>At 12/23/98, 12:09 AM, susancho wrote: >>>The discussion list for the ASO effort is available at aso@listbot.com. >>>You can subscribe by sending a blank email to aso-subscribe@listbot.com. >> >> >>Unfortunately, the list does not appear to be real. >> >>If you join the list and try and view their list >>archives, you get: "Sorry, no messages have been >>sent to this list yet." >> >>So the question remains, "Where are the public >>discussions on the formation of the Address >>Supporting Organization (ASO)?????" >> >>Jay. > * APNIC-TALK: General APNIC Discussion List * * To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net * From owner-apnic-talk@ns.apnic.net Thu Dec 24 00:10:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id AAA28707; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:09:37 GMT Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.15]) by ns.apnic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA28698 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:09:27 GMT Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA21683; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:58:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from dal-tx11-07.ix.netcom.com(207.94.124.135) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma021633; Wed Dec 23 17:58:10 1998 Message-ID: <368144D8.DD2125B4@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:30:35 +0000 From: jeff Williams Organization: INEGroup INC. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: list@ifwp.org CC: IETF ORG , "etrigar@teleline.es" , "edyson@edventure.com" , "mmr@darwin.ptvy.ca.us" , "linda_wilson@radcliffe.edu" , "junsec@wide.ad.jp" , "gregcrew@iaccess.com.au" , "geraldine.capdeboscq@bull.fr" , "gconrades@polarisventures.com" , "fitzsimmon@dnb.com" , "edyson@icann.org" , "gconrades@icann.org" , "gregcrew@icann.org" , "roberts@icann.org" , ICANN Jones & Day , ICANN Comments , APNIC , arin , arin Council Subject: [apnic-talk] Re: [ifwp] RE: FYI -- First draft IETF/IANA contract (fwd) References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms04C8D4B548B743BB03AAB92F" Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms04C8D4B548B743BB03AAB92F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roeland and all, As you are aware Roeland, as you and I had a brief discussion regarding IPv6 a couple of Days ago on the phone, IPv6 has some design problems which I will not go into here at this time. It should be adequate to say that IPv6 is a bit behind the technology curve at this juncture and is not likely to have a significant effect in the CIDR situation or a renumbering requirement in the near term. This is not true however of IPv8. The IETF seems to be approaching the addressing space problem from arms length as it is highly politically charged at this time from my understanding. Comments? Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote: > Actually, the only problem I see IPv6 answering is address space > allocation. The MAC layer would work equally well with IPv4 (G-bit LAN) > technology. Routing issues are still routing issues and they are the > nastyist issues in the Net today. Even more so because policy can do > nothing about it. It is an inherently intractable technical problem. Karl, > maybe you can tell us if the IETF is even looking into it. If not, maybe > they should. Personally, I think it should be priority 1, within the IETF. > > At 01:54 PM 12/23/98 -0800, Karl Auerbach wrote: > > > >> ... Perhaps IPv6 and Internet 2 are addressing ... > > > >IPv6 does not solve the big issue of minimizing the size of routing tables > >and with the time required to propogate a reasonably full chunk of routing > >information. > > > >Indeed, IPv6 makes the problem somewhat worse because the raw material of > >those tables and routing updates are 4x as large as in IPv4. > > > >Internet 2 is merely a big word for what is essentially an high speed > >educational/research chunk of the current Internet. Think of it as yet > >another big NSP/ISP that connects universities and research groups with > >rather large data pipes (that can hold lots of multicast video ;-). > > > >Don't think of Internet II as something entirely different. It's not Tide > >II or Clorox 2 or any wonder product like that. > > > > --karl-- > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >To receive the digest version instead, send a > >blank email to ifwp-digest@lists.interactivehq.org > > > >To SUBSCRIBE forward this message to: > >subscribe-IFWP@lists.interactivehq.org > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE, forward this message to: > >unsubscribe-ifwp@lists.interactivehq.org > > > >Problems/suggestions regarding this list? Email andy@interactivehq.org. > >___END____________________________________________ > > ___________________________________________________ > Roeland M.J. Meyer - > e-mail: mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com > Internet phone: hawk.lvrmr.mhsc.com > Personal web pages: http://staff.mhsc.com/~rmeyer > Company web-site: http://www.mhsc.com > ___________________________________________________ > I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing... > -- Thomas Jefferson > > __________________________________________________ > To receive the digest version instead, send a > blank email to ifwp-digest@lists.interactivehq.org > > To SUBSCRIBE forward this message to: > subscribe-IFWP@lists.interactivehq.org > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, forward this message to: > unsubscribe-ifwp@lists.interactivehq.org > > Problems/suggestions regarding this list? Email andy@interactivehq.org. > ___END____________________________________________ Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. 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Cc: Ivan Pope , discuss@dnso.org In-Reply-To: <36815DD2.48BAC25D@iciiu.org> References: <19981222061118.C2937@songbird.com> <367FD4DA.13634DE7@nominalia.com> <3680ADDE.9C0B252@iciiu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-apnic-talk@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [copied to ifwp and the rirs] At 12/23/98, 04:17 PM, Michael Sondow wrote: >Ivan Pope a =E9crit: > >> I'm sorry, but could someone remind me what the key issues are here? > >The key issues at the moment are, as I see it: whether or not the domain= name >system operators and their clients will have the authority to make= decisions >affecting them;=20 This question, in its various forms, exists for all of the=20 Supporting Organizations! >and whether or not the businesses which use domain names as >trademarks will be permitted to impose their criteria (and restrictions) on= the >allocation of domain names. Other people may have other priorities. > >But it isn't precisely the resolution of these issues that's underway, as= you >say. The conflicts and issues in a new situation serve first to cause a >reshuffling of the pack. I've been directly involved, twice in my life, in= the >creation of new organizations during periods of change of government (in= South >America). The process always occurs just like this one is occurring. When= people >and organizations that have been under the tutelage of an arbitrary= authority >are forced to organize themselves and create means of governance, it takes= a lot >of false starts and reformation of alliances before useful working groups= come >together. The process is productive and results in creative and very= efficient >new structures if the parties involved accept the challenge and don't drop= back >into the position of asking yet another external authority to take over. Jay. * APNIC-TALK: General APNIC Discussion List * * To unsubscribe: send "unsubscribe" to apnic-talk-request@apnic.net *