From owner-apple Sat Aug 1 00:17:06 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id AAA03243; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:17:06 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA03239 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:16:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from vucqpqlj (user-38lc9nc.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.38.236]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA05858; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980731111828.007bfea0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: iquest1@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:18:28 -0400 To: mueller From: Jay Fenello Subject: Re: The "Balanced Diversity & Professionalism proposal Cc: list@ifwp.org, apple@apnic.net, ben.petrazzini@itu.int In-Reply-To: <35B785B4.F4ADDDD@syr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk While I agree with the goal of a diversified representative system, I am more supportive of a structure that is generic in nature, one that allows for all of the stakeholders enumerated below to self organize. This will mitigate built in biases that may not be appropriate 10 years from now. Jay. At 08:49 PM 7/23/98 +0200, mueller wrote: >Jim Dixon asked for comment on the proposal for achieving "balanced >diversity and professionalism" on the Board of the WP's new corporation. > >I have looked over it carefully and wish to make the following comments: > >1. I like Jim's approach to measuring representativeness via a >quantitative index. There could be some quibbling over the values >assigned to certain parameters--as a North American, I was surprised at >the 50% representation given to that region, which may be a bit much, >surely North American dominance of the Internet will not last at current >levels for more than 3 or 4 more years. But on the whole it is a useful >approach. > >2. Jim's definition of the sectors to be represented was poorly thought >out and must be revised. Jim defined 7 categories: > -Internet technical community > -Internet Industry > -Ecommerce businesses > -Business in general > -Brand name holders > -Those "concerned with intersection of IPR and the Internet" > -Users >The list contains some glaring logical problems and some obvious >omissions. >As for omissions, where are educational users? Schools, universities, >etc are highly significant sector to be represented, both in >quantitative terms and in overall social importance. >The third, fourth, fifth and possibly even the sixth category are all >really subsets of each other. To consider them separate sectors is both >logically unjustifiable and politically dangerous, because it would >drastically imbalance the Board. What we really have here is a >hierarchy: > Business in general, of which "brand name holders" and "Ecommerce" >are subsets. There are few if any industries that cannot be translated >into, or utilize, ecommerce in some way. Brand name holders are simply >those businesses who have managed to establish a brand identity in a >particular market. This category also intersects with, or perhaps >overlaps entirely, with the category of "people concerned about the >intersection of intellectual property with the Internet, for brand names >are simply a form of intellectual property. > >There is no logical, economic, or political reason to give this little >segment of the world (brand names, IPR) a special claim to a seat on the >Board, much less two seats. It seems that Jim has deliberately rigged >his definition of sectors to give these sectors disproportionate >representation. > >Aside from the imbalance, this whole approach represents a conceptual >error. If sectoral definitions are used to establish the nature of Board >representation, the sectoral definitions must be broad, generic, and of >lasting significance. They cannot be based on ephemeral political >conflicts such as the DNS-trademark battle. It would be equally valid to >claim that the Board should have a "privacy advocate," or a "civil >libertarian," or a "person concerned with control of pornographic >content." Obviously, these are not "sectors" but political positions. >Board representation should NOT be based on such things. > >Here is a better list of sectors to be represented: > 1. Internet operations (basically, ISPs, NSPs, NAPs, registrars) > 2. Internet manufacturing (equipment suppliers) > 3. Business sector (in their capacity as both users and consumers of >Internet) > 4. Educational sector > 5. End users (small business and household consumers) > >It is both possible and likely that the business sector will choose >someone with a trademark, someone who is fully aware of the trademark >and intellectual property issues posed by the Internet. It is also >possible that the consumer advocate will give voice to trademark >concerns if in fact consumer confusion becomes a serious issue. But >there is no reason to stack the deck in favor of a special interest in >the Internet controversies by guaranteeing one side in a controversy two >seats on the board. > > >* APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sat Aug 1 00:26:47 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id AAA03258; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:26:47 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA03254 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:26:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA29956; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:29:22 -0500 Message-ID: <02f501bdbc96$c8092240$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: Cc: , Subject: Re: [ifwp] Re: The "Balanced Diversity & Professionalism proposal Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:20:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Jay Fenello To: IFWP Discussion List Cc: list@ifwp.org ; apple@apnic.net ; ben.petrazzini@itu.int Date: Friday, July 31, 1998 10:21 AM Subject: [ifwp] Re: The "Balanced Diversity & Professionalism proposal > >While I agree with the goal of a diversified >representative system, I am more supportive >of a structure that is generic in nature, one >that allows for all of the stakeholders >enumerated below to self organize. > >This will mitigate built in biases that may >not be appropriate 10 years from now. > Jay, No matter how much people wave their hands or flap their arms up and down, they are not going to defy the laws of gravity and fly. How many "talk-a-thons" do you think that people need ? Has any leadership emerged from the meetings that have been held ? What specifically has been accomplished ? (besides getting ones picture taken with Postel) Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 3 01:27:10 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id BAA20687; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:27:10 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id BAA20682 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:27:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from IST.SYR.EDU (ist.syr.edu [128.230.182.180]) by syr.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05830; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 12:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IST/SpoolDir by IST.SYR.EDU (Mercury 1.21); 2 Aug 98 12:29:54 EDT Received: from SpoolDir by IST (Mercury 1.21); 2 Aug 98 12:29:29 EDT Received: from syr.edu by IST.SYR.EDU (Mercury 1.21) with ESMTP; 2 Aug 98 12:29:26 EDT Message-ID: <35C493F1.29DE6723@syr.edu> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 12:29:37 -0400 From: mueller Reply-To: mueller@syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: apple@apnic.net, anr-talk@anr.org Subject: Abuse of ccTLD powers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Apple members: If you read the following news article, you will see how control of a ccTLD can be abused for economic reasons. This is why many of us coming out of Geneva are concerned about the efforts of ccTLD registrars to organize themselves as a political bloc. I hope any apple member who is interested in maintaining a free and open Internet will attend the Singapore meeting with this in mind. I also hope that the Asia Pacific Internet Association members who are part of the IFWP steering committee will make it clear that they oppose such absuses, otherwise they may begin to lose the trust of the international community. --MM http://www.sjmercury.com/asia/center/japan080198.htm * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 3 01:41:47 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id BAA20729; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:41:47 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id BAA20725 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:41:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA07396; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:44:22 -0500 Message-ID: <07c201bdbe33$791264a0$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: , , Cc: "IFWP ORG" , , Subject: Re: Abuse of ccTLD powers Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:34:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: mueller To: apple@apnic.net ; anr-talk@anr.org Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 11:34 AM Subject: Abuse of ccTLD powers >Apple members: >If you read the following news article, you will see how control of a >ccTLD can be abused for economic reasons. This is why many of us coming >out of Geneva are concerned about the efforts of ccTLD registrars to >organize themselves as a political bloc. I hope any apple member who is >interested in maintaining a free and open Internet will attend the >Singapore meeting with this in mind. I also hope that the Asia Pacific >Internet Association members who are part of the IFWP steering committee >will make it clear that they oppose such absuses, otherwise they may >begin to lose the trust of the international community. >--MM > >http://www.sjmercury.com/asia/center/japan080198.htm > >* APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * > Milton, This is not the only ccTLD with such practices. Jon Postel's IANA has allowed people to obtain top level domains and claim they have the support of the government. When challenged, they claim they have the support of the people. When really challenged, they claim to have the support of ISPs. In some cases, they are that ISP. In other words, they endorse themselves. This is one of the reasons why experts in this area have concluded that TLDs should be TLDs because there is no way to clean up the existing mess and little benefit in doing it. The general public needs to be better educated about the fraud and corruption in ccTLDs. In some areas of the world, this is done and their solution is to send everyone to .COM. That is one of the reasons why it is so crowded. Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Tue Aug 4 07:06:52 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id HAA25293; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:06:52 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA25289 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:06:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA11795; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:09:17 -0500 Message-ID: <0c3001bdbf29$f2ae1060$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: Cc: Subject: Singapore Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:59:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Laina, Is there anything new that has been written or proposed for the IFWP meeting in Singapore ? How will it differ from Reston or Geneva ? Who are the main leaders ? Have they written any position papers ? Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Tue Aug 4 10:21:20 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id KAA25907; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:21:20 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from singapura.singnet.com.sg (singapura.singnet.com.sg [165.21.10.10]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA25901 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:21:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (mathias@localhost) by singapura.singnet.com.sg (8.8.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id JAA08414; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:22:53 +0800 (SST) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:22:52 +0800 (SST) From: Mathias Koerber X-Sender: mathias@singapura.singnet.com.sg Reply-To: mathias@staff.singnet.com.sg To: anr-talk@anr.org cc: apple@apnic.net Subject: Re: [anr-talk 227] Abuse of ccTLD powers In-Reply-To: <35C493F1.29DE6723@syr.edu> Message-ID: X-Disclaimer: I don't speak for anyone except for myself (and to myself sometimes) Organization: SingNet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, mueller wrote: | Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 12:29:37 -0400 | From: mueller | Reply-To: anr-talk@anr.org | To: apple@apnic.net, anr-talk@anr.org | Subject: [anr-talk 227] Abuse of ccTLD powers | | Apple members: | If you read the following news article, you will see how control of a | ccTLD can be abused for economic reasons. This is why many of us coming | out of Geneva are concerned about the efforts of ccTLD registrars to | organize themselves as a political bloc. I hope any apple member who is | interested in maintaining a free and open Internet will attend the | Singapore meeting with this in mind. I also hope that the Asia Pacific | Internet Association members who are part of the IFWP steering committee | will make it clear that they oppose such absuses, otherwise they may | begin to lose the trust of the international community. | --MM | | http://www.sjmercury.com/asia/center/japan080198.htm Hmm. A few comments on this article: I'm not saying that what JPNIC is doing is OK, but: 1. The article talks about "their domainname". Does this mean that these companies already had the *.jp domainname allocated and it was pulled/put on hold/otherwuise made unusable becaus they were not using a japanese ISP? Or is this article about them not being able to *obtain* a .JP domainname because they don't fulfil some of the requirements the NIC set? (Whether these requirements make sense/are fair is a different question). 2. Were they somehow prohibited from using another domainname (like .COM/.ORG/.NET)? | Mathias Koerber | Tel: +65 / 471 9820 | mathias@staff.singnet.com.sg SingNet NOC | Fax: +65 / 475 3273 | mathias@koerber.org Q'town Tel. Exch. | PGP: Keyid: 768/25E082BD, finger mathias@singnet.com.sg 2 Stirling Rd | 1A 8B FC D4 93 F1 9A FC BD 98 A3 1A 0E 73 01 65 S'pore 148943 | Disclaimer: I speak only for myself * Eifersucht ist eine Leidenschaft, die mit Eifer sucht, was Leiden schafft * * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Tue Aug 4 13:48:57 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA26612; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:48:57 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from upm.edu.my (scc.upm.edu.my [202.184.17.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA26608 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:48:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from inet.upm.edu.my by scc.upm.edu.my (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12960; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:50:36 -0800 Received: from admin.upm.edu.my by inet.upm.edu.my (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA03798; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:49:36 -0800 Received: from dcrocker by admin.upm.edu.my (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA19452; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:49:05 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.0.37.19980803185812.00b13220@mail.bayarea.net> X-Sender: dcrocker@mail.bayarea.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.37 (Beta) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 21:24:17 -0700 To: mueller@syr.edu From: Dave Crocker Subject: Re: Abuse of current topic Cc: apple@apnic.net, anr-talk@anr.org In-Reply-To: <35C493F1.29DE6723@syr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk At 12:29 PM 8/2/98 -0400, mueller wrote: >If you read the following news article, you will see how control of a >ccTLD can be abused for economic reasons. This is why many of us coming >out of Geneva are concerned about the efforts of ccTLD registrars to >organize themselves as a political bloc. I hope any apple member who is ccTLD registries are subject to the control of the associated governments. Having delegated to those governments the decisions concerning ccTLDs, the rest of us ought to spend time on matters that need immediate attention, rather than trying to improve the behavior of soverign governments. The Mercury News article is wonderful for providing drama, but it primarily serves as a distraction. How Japan chooses to operate inside its border is none of the business of the rest of us. > I also hope that the Asia Pacific >Internet Association members who are part of the IFWP steering committee >will make it clear that they oppose such absuses, otherwise they may >begin to lose the trust of the international community. Rather than responding to threats about loss of trust, I hope that participants will, instead, focus on the immediate issues that require immediate resolution,. We do not need to allow ourselves to be distracted by the many imperfections in the world, somehow thinking that it is incumbent upon us to fix them through the current process. Progress is made by narrowing the focus of our work, not by expanding it. d/ _________________________________________________________________________ Dave CROCKER Tel: +1 408 246 8253 BRANDENBURG CONSULTING Tel: +60 19 329 9445 675 Spruce Drive Fax: +1 408 273 6464 P. O. Box 296, UPM Sunnyvale, CA 94086 www.brandenburg.com Serdang, Selangor 43400 United States Malaysia * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Tue Aug 4 14:17:16 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id OAA26715; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:17:16 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (zinc.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.31]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA26711 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:17:10 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas2224.singnet.com.sg [165.21.54.94]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA26499; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:19:58 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 98 13:18:35 Subject: RE: Singapore To: laina@singnet.com.sg, Jim Fleming Cc: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Jim, Izumi Aizu (izumi@anr.org) is the project leader for AP-IFWP. He is finalising the agenda with the Steering Committee and it will be posted soon. Main changes for now is a 2 1/2day meeting instead of 2 days, more plenary sessions instead of breakouts, long working lunches etc. Also the venue has been changed, anticipating a bigger crowd. It is now 11-13th August at Orchard Hotel. Laina RG --- On Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:59:05 -0500 Jim Fleming wrote: Laina, Is there anything new that has been written or proposed for the IFWP meeting in Singapore ? How will it differ from Reston or Geneva ? Who are the main leaders ? Have they written any position papers ? Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 04/08/98 Time: 13:18:35 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Tue Aug 4 18:36:58 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id SAA27537; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:36:58 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from geocities.com (mail4.geocities.com [209.1.224.24]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA27533 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:36:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from geocities.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA02987 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 02:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35C6D6E6.5D691893@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:39:50 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS Apple Subject: Where in AP-IFWP is Carmen Sandiego? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk laina@singnet.com.sg wrote: > Izumi Aizu (izumi@anr.org) is the project leader for > AP-IFWP. He is finalising the agenda with the Steering > Committee and it will be posted soon. Hello: - I would like to attend the AP-IFWP (assuming the author of RFC-822 will attend) - Where can I fetch the latest information (besides at http://www.apia.org/august1213.htm) ? - What else should I read for preparation? (besides RFC-1591-ccTLD, RFC-2050-IPv4, RFC-1881-anti-current-charging-scheme and gTLD-MoU?) > Jim Fleming asked: > [ZCZC ...] > Is there anything new that has been written > or proposed for the IFWP meeting in Singapore ? > How will it differ from Reston or Geneva ? > Who are the main leaders ? > Have they written any position papers ? > [... NNNN] -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 -- Going back in reading is called a regression (Evelyn N. Wood) -- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Tue Aug 4 20:58:28 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id UAA27905; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:58:28 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA27900 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:58:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA14504; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:01:10 -0500 Message-ID: <0dda01bdbf9e$1b8e71e0$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: "MILIS Apple" , "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Cc: "IFWP ORG" Subject: Re: Where in AP-IFWP is Carmen Sandiego? Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:50:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim To: MILIS Apple Date: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 4:41 AM Subject: Where in AP-IFWP is Carmen Sandiego? >laina@singnet.com.sg wrote: > >> Izumi Aizu (izumi@anr.org) is the project leader for >> AP-IFWP. He is finalising the agenda with the Steering >> Committee and it will be posted soon. > >Hello: > >- I would like to attend the AP-IFWP > (assuming the author of RFC-822 will attend) > >- Where can I fetch the latest information > (besides at http://www.apia.org/august1213.htm) ? > >- What else should I read for preparation? > (besides RFC-1591-ccTLD, RFC-2050-IPv4, > RFC-1881-anti-current-charging-scheme and gTLD-MoU?) > > RFC2008 might be of interest... @@@@ http://info.internet.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc/files/rfc2008.txt ... "Implications of Various Address Allocation Policies for Internet Routing" ... 5.1 The "address ownership" allocation policy and its implications on the Public Internet "Address ownership" is one possible address allocation and management policy. The "address ownership" policy means that part of the address space, once allocated to an organization, remains allocated to the organization as long as that organization wants it. Further, that portion of the address space would not be allocated to any other organization. Often, such addresses are called "portable." It was assumed that if an organization acquires its addresses via the Rekhter & Li Best Current Practice [Page 5] RFC 2008 October 1996 "address ownership" policy, the organization would be able to use these addresses to gain access to the Internet routing services, regardless of where the organization connects to the Internet. While it has never been explicitly stated that various Internet Registries use the "address ownership" allocation policy, it has always been assumed (and practiced)." ... @@@@@@@@@@@@@ Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Wed Aug 5 02:33:20 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id CAA28619; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:33:20 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id CAA28615 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:33:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from syr.edu (syru182-104.syr.edu [128.230.182.104]) by syr.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22061; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C74671.767B550A@syr.edu> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 13:35:45 -0400 From: Milton Mueller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: anr-talk@anr.org, apple@apnic.net, list@ifwp.org Subject: The ccTLD conundrum References: <3.0.3.32.19980804213607.033d9fe4@mail.asiapac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Let me clarify what I see as the problem here. My original message may have been a bit unlcear or even misleading, and for that I apologize. I fully understand that in Asia, and in many other parts of the world, ccTLDs are managed by governments or by organizations designated by governments to act in a quasi-official mode. It is also true that in the USA, the .gov TLD is operated and managed by the government. I am concerned with three simple issues: 1) do the users in a country have a choice of country-related TLDs? 2) will the market for registry services under TLDs be open and responsive to user demands, or will it be restricted? 3) will current ccTLD holders organize themselves into a political bloc in order to resist or limit market openings referred to in #2? Thus, for example, if JPNIC wants to have more restrictive registration policies in order to limit the potential for cybersquatting or other name disputes, that is one thing. I have no problem with that as long as users can easily choose other suitable domain names with other policies. But if JPNIC also wants to be "the" TLD for Japan, I will actively criticize that policy because it limits user choice. And even worse, if JPNIC and other ccTLD monopolies form a lobbying organization to make sure that new TLDs are not formed to compete with themselves, then I think we have a major trade policy problem as well as a potential human rights problem. Now, I am not accusing JPNIC of taking the second and third steps in this progression. I don't know whether they would do this or not. I am, however, *concerned* about the potential for them and other ccTLDs to slide down that slippery slope from "official" ccTLD registrar to national monopoly to protectionist lobby within a new Internet administration. And this is my answer to DaveCrocker, as well. The policies and politics of ccTLDs are highly relevant to the IFWP deliberations, as anyone who was at Geneva should know. ccTLDs are an organized bloc, with their own distinctive economic and political interests, and many of them are, for example, demanding representation at the Board level. Milton Mueller tommi wrote: > I was the 1st TLD holder for S'pore and has since continued to be involved > in Asia's Internet activities. > > Recognise that Asia works very differently from the US. For many Asian > countries, the populace tends to be govt-centric ie. listens to the govt. > and certainly much more so than Americans. It is how the system works > here. Let's not argue whether this is right or wrong. > > In Asia the TLD is a very sensitive issue especially in the last few years > when commercialisation of the Internet crept in. There were many cases of > massive squabbles which ultimately leads to the Internet users in those > countries losing out. The govt. sanctioned approach has solved some of > these issues for some countries (though not all countries) and if it works, > what's wrong. > > In general, the 'policy' for many Asian countries was to let the country > decide and govt. are encouraged to play a role to resolve them. In some > cases, the TLD holder is from a designated govt. organisation. We're > talking about ccTLD here. And do note that the system here evolved over a > period of time, in effect trial and error. > > >>rest of us ought to spend time on matters that need immediate attention, > >>rather than trying to improve the behavior of soverign governments. The > >>Mercury News article is wonderful for providing drama, but it primarily > >>serves as a distraction. How Japan chooses to operate inside its border is > >>none of the business of the rest of us. > > > >The Internet crosses borders. > > This is precisely why all of us have to attempt to work together with an > open mind. We cannot ignore the working methods of each country and no > country can claim his system is better than another, because of differing > cultures. > > Tommi Chen > The Network Connections Sdn Bhd (Malaysia) > NetCentre Pte Ltd (Singapore) * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Wed Aug 5 10:51:08 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id KAA29376; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:51:08 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from iron.singnet.com.sg (iron.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.29]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA29372 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:51:03 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas1824.singnet.com.sg [165.21.53.94]) by iron.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA13072 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:53:49 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 98 09:55:55 Subject: FW: [ifwp] new iana draft bylaws To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk --- On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:30:51 -0700 Kent Crispin wrote: There is a new draft of the proposed bylaws at the iana.org site. http://iana.org/bylaws2.html -- Kent Crispin, PAB Chair "No reason to get excited", kent@songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html __________________________________________________ To view the archive of this list, go to: http://lists.interactivehq.org/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=ifwp username=ifwp password=ifwp To receive the digest version instead, send a blank email to ifwp-digest@lists.interactivehq.org To SUBSCRIBE forward this message to: subscribe-IFWP@lists.interactivehq.org To UNSUBSCRIBE, forward this message to: unsubscribe-ifwp@lists.interactivehq.org Problems/suggestions regarding this list? Email andy@interactivehq.org or call 202-408-0008 ___END____________________________________________ -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 05/08/98 Time: 09:55:56 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Wed Aug 5 11:04:04 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id LAA29413; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:04:04 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (zinc.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.31]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA29407 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:03:59 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas1824.singnet.com.sg [165.21.53.94]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA19476 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:06:14 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 98 10:08:13 Subject: FW: [ifwp] FYI: NTIA Proceeding on ".US" To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk --- On Tue, 04 Aug 1998 16:53:05 -0400 Tony Rutkowski wrote: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: >August 3, 1998 >CONTACT: Sallianne Fortunato >(202) 482-7002 >sfortunato@ntia.doc.gov > >THE COMMERCE DEPARTMENT ASKS PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON ISSUES INVOLVING >FUTURE EXPANSION AND ADMINISTRATION OF THE .US DOMAIN SPACE > >WASHINGTON, DC -- The U.S. Commerce Department is inviting the public to >submit comments in paper or in electronic form on issues involving the >future expansion and administration of the .us domain space. The notice >requesting comments will be posted on the Internet at >http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/usrfc/dotusrfc.htm today and >is scheduled to be published in the Federal Register on Tuesday, August >4, 1998. > >The Commerce Department is requesting public comment on this issue to >further explore how management and administration of .us could be >optimized or enhanced to encourage increased registrations in the .us >name space. The .us domain is the "national" or "country code" top level >domain (ccTLD) assigned to the United States for domain name >registration and is currently managed as a locality based hierarchy in >which second-level domain space is allocated to States and US >territories. > >As noted in the Management of Internet Names and Addresses (or "White >Paper") the Commerce Department's June 5 Statement of Policy on the >privatization of Internet Domain Name System (DNS) management, many have >suggested that expanded use of the .us domain could alleviate some of >the pressure for registering unique domain names in the .com top level >domain. The Request for Comment released today is the formal >solicitation of public comments on this issue. > >The Request for Comment poses specific questions related to the future >of .us administration. These include how domain names should be assigned >under .us, the type of entity that should administer .us, and the role >of the states and localities in domain name registration, among others. >In addition, the public is invited to comment on other aspects of .us >management. > >The Federal Register Notice will be posted on NTIA's home page at >http://www.ntia.doc.gov; hard copies are available by calling NTIA's >Office of Public Affairs at 202-482-3999. Commenters are asked to send >electronic comments to usdomain@ntia.doc.gov or mail written comments to >attn. Karen Rose, NTIA-OIA, 14th and Constitution Ave., NW, Room 4701, >Washington, DC 20230. Comments are due 30 days after publication in the >Federal Register. All comments received will be posted on NTIA's home >page. > > >The National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) >serves as the principal adviser to the President, Vice President, and >Secretary of Commerce on domestic and international communications and >information issues and represents the Executive Branch before Congress, >other Federal agencies, foreign governments and international >organizations. > > ### > __________________________________________________ To view the archive of this list, go to: http://lists.interactivehq.org/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=ifwp username=ifwp password=ifwp To receive the digest version instead, send a blank email to ifwp-digest@lists.interactivehq.org To SUBSCRIBE forward this message to: subscribe-IFWP@lists.interactivehq.org To UNSUBSCRIBE, forward this message to: unsubscribe-ifwp@lists.interactivehq.org Problems/suggestions regarding this list? Email andy@interactivehq.org or call 202-408-0008 ___END____________________________________________ -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 05/08/98 Time: 10:08:13 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Wed Aug 5 11:22:12 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id LAA29457; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:22:12 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA29453 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:21:56 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas1824.singnet.com.sg [165.21.53.94]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA19542; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:24:26 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 98 10:11:03 Subject: legal-sessions online To: ifwp-sglegal@ilpf.org, ifwp-law@ilpf.org, apple@apnic.net, list@ifwp.org, ifwp-discuss@itu.int X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk This is to inform you that a "legal sessions" list has been setup to continue the session we had in Geneva and to help prepare the one for Singapore. The reason an additional list to ifwp-law@ilpf.org was setup was since ifp-law is ONLY for lawyers, while this list is an open list, though we HOPE that only those with some legal expertise to contribute will speak up. Please therefore identify your background when you speak up on this list, and what you base your suggestions on, e.g. which Statute/Code/Treaty etc. Also this list will have a more limited discussion, i.e. there will be no substantive policy discussions such as trademarks and domain names, and will be purely structural issues based on concensus already reached in the ifwp process. This list is not intended to rediscuss IFWP discussions, but to try and implement it.This will be a moderated list to avoid unnecessary threads from swampling the list. Participants on this list are also asked to be polite to each other, and while you may disagree with one another viewpoints, please NO INSULTS or INUENDOS. For the Singapore meeting 11-13th August 1998, there are three nights set aside for discussion on "legal drafting" issues based on discussions and concensus reached during the day. There will also be discussion on the latest draft by-laws by Jon Postel. We will try and post some of these discussions on the list. To join the list Anyone can join by sending a message to: with the words "join ifwp-sglegal" in the first line. Here are those already on the list, based on the cards given to me in Geneva. >Mr Francois Bidault, francoisbidault@hotmail.com >Rita A Rodin, rrodin@skadden.com >Olivier Muron, olivier.muron@francetelecom.fr >Drew Olsen, olsen.drew@ic.gc.ca >Sylvain Hirsch, Cabinet_Hirsch@compuserve.com >Jose A Esteves, jesteves@skadden.com >Keith Gymer, keith.gymer@bt.com >David Maher, dwmaher@ibm.net >Herbert Vitzthum, herbv@salzburg.co.at >Margo Langford, mlangford@ibm.net or chair@caip.ca >Fearghas McKay, fm@mids.org >Dan Steinberg, synthesis@travel-net.com >Markus Lindholm, markus.lindholm@sonera.se >Michaela Barry, ooblick@netpolicy.com >Patrick Greenwell, patrick@namesecure.com >Javier Rodriguez, presidencia@isoc-peru.org >Damon Hart-Davis, md@exnet.com >Morag MacDonald, morag.macdonald@twobirds.com >Laina R Greene, laina@getit.org Regards, Laina RG Managing Director, GetIT Pte Ltd (a Telecom/Internet consultancy) www.getit.org Bachelor of Laws (Singapore), Masters of Law (Harvard) ------------------------------ Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg/laina@getit.org Date: 05/08/98 Time: 10:11:03 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Wed Aug 5 12:34:38 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id MAA29672; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:34:38 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from geocities.com (mail2.geocities.com [209.1.224.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA29667 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:34:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from geocities.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA18641; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35C7CB7B.115A4AD9@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:03:23 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS Apple Subject: What is a government ? References: <4.1.0.37.19980803185812.00b13220@mail.bayarea.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hello: Dave Crocker wrote: > ccTLD registries are subject to the control of the associated > governments. This is interesting ... (1) is this based on "informational RFC" 2050 ? (2) who is in charge in deciding what a government is ? even the UN is not in-charge (although some claims that they are). (3) if this is really a governmental issue, IMHO, ITU instead of (n)IANA will be more appropriate for handling the "root part" of ccTLD. (4) in this case, what will be the role of the voluntarily based I* entities ? can we rely on voluntarily based entities anyway, when in the other site, some others have intention to milk cash for the system? (5) what should be done for all this inconsistency ? (6) how will be the feedback and appeal mechanism inside that sovereignty of a country? best regards, -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 -- Going back in reading is called a regression (Evelyn N. Wood) -- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Wed Aug 5 12:35:35 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id MAA29691; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:35:35 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from geocities.com (mail2.geocities.com [209.1.224.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA29687 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:35:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from geocities.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA19089 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35C7D094.3E2866C6@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:25:08 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS Apple Subject: Re: Where in AP-IFWP is Carmen Sandiego? References: <199808041922.EAA29918@magritte.netizen.or.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Izumi Aizu wrote: >> - I would like to attend the AP-IFWP >> (assuming the author of RFC-822 will attend) > You mean, Jon Postel? He has not confirmed to come, and > I think he is not likely to join this time. :-( that is RFC-791 :-( More and more people talking about the "Internet" without realizing what happen in the past when an RFC was an RFC, without those what are now called IAB, ISOC, IESG, etc. 822 is perhaps one of the most awful and "scientific" RFC ever written; it is about "STANDARD FOR THE FORMAT OF ARPA INTERNET TEXT MESSAGES" (a.k.a email). I doubt that there are a lot that fully understand it. See also http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc822.txt >> (besides at http://www.apia.org/august1213.htm) ? > That is the place. We will put the agenda as soon as finalized at > the next Steering Committee/Program committee. Thank you. >> - What else should I read for preparation? >> (besides RFC-1591-ccTLD, RFC-2050-IPv4, >> RFC-1881-anti-current-charging-scheme and gTLD-MoU?) > Since this forum is based on White Paper as a starting point, > I would recommend you to read this. However, should we scrap all the "good effort" that I* has done so far? Also, what should we do regarding all the inconsistency from the other I*s? > >>> WRITING THE HISTORY OF THE FUTURE <<< The history starts on April 7, 1969 (Host Software). (http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc1.txt) tabe, -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 -- Going back in reading is called a regression (Evelyn N. Wood) -- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Wed Aug 5 13:32:49 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA29848; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:32:49 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA29844 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:32:45 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas1133.singnet.com.sg [165.21.58.163]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA16865; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:35:12 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 98 12:35:06 Subject: RE: [ifwp] Re: legal-sessions online To: IFWP Discussion List , list@ifwp.org Cc: ifwp-sglegal@ilpf.org, ifwp-law@ilpf.org, apple@apnic.net, list@ifwp.org, ifwp-discuss@itu.int X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk I agree, but we have to work within the confines of the various lists (ifwp-law is only for lawyers e.g.), and so to ensure people outside these lists can participate as well, and to ensure that discussion is focussed, this list is suggested. If you want other lists to know what you input, please cross post. But I hope we do not get too many cross postings on this since this will indeed get unwieldly. Laina RG --- On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Karl Auerbach wrote: > This is to inform you that a "legal sessions" list has been setup to > continue the session we had in Geneva and to help prepare the one for > Singapore. This is "one too many" lists. This discussion is far to fragmented all ready. --karl-- __________________________________________________ To view the archive of this list, go to: http://lists.interactivehq.org/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=ifwp username=ifwp password=ifwp To receive the digest version instead, send a blank email to ifwp-digest@lists.interactivehq.org To SUBSCRIBE forward this message to: subscribe-IFWP@lists.interactivehq.org To UNSUBSCRIBE, forward this message to: unsubscribe-ifwp@lists.interactivehq.org Problems/suggestions regarding this list? Email andy@interactivehq.org or call 202-408-0008 ___END____________________________________________ -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 05/08/98 Time: 12:35:06 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Wed Aug 5 16:26:37 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id QAA00503; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:26:37 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from iron.singnet.com.sg (iron.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.29]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA00499 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:26:31 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas2637.singnet.com.sg [165.21.55.107]) by iron.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA21411; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:28:37 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 98 15:27:16 Subject: RE: [ifwp] Re: legal-sessions online To: laina@singnet.com.sg, Karl Auerbach Cc: IFWP Discussion List , ifwp-sglegal@ilpf.org, ifwp-law@ilpf.org, apple@apnic.net, ifwp-discuss@itu.int X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Karl, With all due respect, can you suggest a list this list can come under, given its limited scope and its membership base? I will be more than pleased to merge this with that. Also, this list will in any case, be more dissemination of info, and preparation of meetings etc, and so if you feel overwhelmed by lists already, please do not feel forced to join. Laina RG --- On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Karl Auerbach wrote: > I agree, but we have to work within the confines of the various lists > (ifwp-law is only for lawyers e.g.), and so to ensure people outside these > lists can participate as well, and to ensure that discussion is focussed, > this list is suggested. If you want other lists to know what you input, > please cross post. But I hope we do not get too many cross postings on this > since this will indeed get unwieldly. We have enough lists. The cross-posting has gotten way out of control. Please do not create another one. --karl-- -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 05/08/98 Time: 15:27:16 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Wed Aug 5 22:20:19 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id WAA01128; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:20:19 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA01124 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:20:11 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas1355.singnet.com.sg [165.21.52.65]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA07540; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:22:43 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 98 21:23:52 Subject: Re: legal-sessions online To: karl@cavebear.com, laina@singnet.com.sg, Lawrence Lessig Cc: ifwp-sglegal@ilpf.org, ifwp-law@ilpf.org, apple@apnic.net, list@ifwp.org, ifwp-discuss@itu.int X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk This has been previously notified and duly noted. There is also Jon's draft bylaws for your information as well. This and other efforts will be duly noted and discussed. Laina RG --- On Wed, 05 Aug 1998 08:24:41 -0500 Lawrence Lessig wrote: You might check out the following, which is an attempt to develop legal language to support the emerging consensus about issues. ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ ­ Lessig Harvard Law School, G502 1525 Massachusetts Ave Cambridge, MA 02138 617.495.8099 (vx) 617.495.4299 (fx) ---------- >From: karl@cavebear.com >To: laina@singnet.com.sg >Cc: ifwp-sglegal@ilpf.org, ifwp-law@ilpf.org, apple@apnic.net, list@ifwp.org, ifwp-discuss@itu.int >Subject: Re: legal-sessions online >Date: Tue, Aug 4, 1998, 10:24 PM > > >> This is to inform you that a "legal sessions" list has been setup to >> continue the session we had in Geneva and to help prepare the one for >> Singapore. > >This is "one too many" lists. > >This discussion is far to fragmented all ready. > > --karl-- > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 05/08/98 Time: 21:23:52 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Thu Aug 6 03:23:34 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id DAA03036; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 03:23:34 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id DAA03032 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 03:23:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from vucqpqlj (user-37kb5cv.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.149.159]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA12620; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980805142440.00a1a1d0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: iquest1@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 14:24:40 -0400 To: "Richard J. Sexton" From: Jay Fenello Subject: Re: legal-sessions online Cc: "Lawrence Lessig" , karl@cavebear.com, laina@singnet.com.sg, ifwp-sglegal@ilpf.org, ifwp-law@ilpf.org, apple@apnic.net, list@ifwp.org, ifwp-discuss@itu.int, commerce@mail.house.gov In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk As I understand it, the Brussels meeting was to be considered an "informational only" meeting, since it was a closed meeting with a presentation format. The outcome of the Brussels meeting was to be funnelled into the Geneva meeting, with the results from Brussels being incorporated into the process in Geneva. Consequently, I agree with Richard. The conclusions of the Brussels meeting should not be listed independently as a part of the IFWP process, as they are by definition included in the Geneva consensus items. In all fairness, though, I would support including a formal EC position in the IFWP process if they were to agree to an open meeting with presentations from those that have a different perspective from what they have already heard. (like NSI, Iperdome, DNRC, ORSC, etc.) Jay. P.S. There remains some question as to whether the Buenos Aires meeting is an "informational only" meeting or not. I have asked the Steering Committee to review their notes on this topic. At 01:46 PM 8/5/98 -0400, Richard J. Sexton wrote: >At 08:24 AM 8/5/98 -0500, Lawrence Lessig wrote: >>You might check out the following, which is an attempt to develop legal >>language to support the emerging consensus about issues. >> >> > >I'm a little confused here. I understaood the IFWP process to be >a product of the Reston, Geneva, Singapore, Buenos Aries and wrap >up conferences. > >In the URL mentioned above "Brussels" was mentioned. I'd >not heard of a Brussels cobference, neither did I attend. >Furhtermore, was attendance broad based, and how does >something that was a conclusion of the Brussels conference have any more >weight than say, a CORE or eDNS conference ? > >I would feel more comforatable if the above mentioned URL represensted >the open IFWP process only, ignoring other distractions. >-- >The most important thing in the programming language is the name. A >language will not succeed without a good name. I have recently invented >a very good name and now I am looking for a suitable language. > -- D. E. Knuth, 1967 * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Thu Aug 6 11:15:42 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id LAA03868; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:15:42 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA03864 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:15:37 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas0702.singnet.com.sg [165.21.57.132]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA04041; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:17:44 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 98 10:15:40 Subject: can we stop these cross posting please!! To: "Richard J. Sexton" , Michael Schneider Cc: Lawrence Lessig , karl@cavebear.com, laina@singnet.com.sg, ifwp-sglegal@ilpf.org, ifwp-law@ilpf.org, apple@apnic.net, list@ifwp.org, ifwp-discuss@itu.int X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Dear all, I am getting swamped with over 200 messages 1/4 a day, and many of these a 4-5 copies of the same message! I am sure others are equally frustrated by this, Can I suggest that cross postings be made ONLY to those lists you need to get the message out to. For the list I manage, kindly leave out apple@apnic.net and ifwp-sglegal@ilpf.org out of these discussions. These lists have a different membership and objective. Thank you for your kind consideration. REgards, Laina Raveendran Greene * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Thu Aug 6 13:10:08 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA04199; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:10:08 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from geocities.com (mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA04195 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:10:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from geocities.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA01818; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35C92D5B.309E0312@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:13:15 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS APPLE Subject: Re: can we stop these cross posting please!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk laina@singnet.com.sg's header: > To: "Richard J. Sexton" , > Michael Schneider > CC: Lawrence Lessig , > karl@cavebear.com, > laina@singnet.com.sg, > ifwp-sglegal@ilpf.org, > ifwp-law@ilpf.org, > apple@apnic.net, > list@ifwp.org, > ifwp-discuss@itu.int Perhaps you could start from yourself: (1) if you want to send to "laina@singnet.com.sg", you should use bcc (blind carbon copy) (2) perhaps, you'd better not cross-post a cross-post issue :-) > Dear all, > > I am getting swamped with over 200 messages 1/4 a day, > and many of these a 4-5 copies of the same message! (3) use e-filters; however technical expertise is required. (4) I am assuming that you are at this apple list; therefore I do not send an individual copy to you. I am wondering, how this "multi-copy" habit had started in the past. Anyone can explain? tabe, -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 -- Going back in reading is called a regression (Evelyn N. Wood) -- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Thu Aug 6 16:27:55 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id QAA04640; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:27:55 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from green.glocom.ac.jp (green.glocom.ac.jp [210.160.32.2]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA04636 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:27:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from dyn112.glocom.ac.jp (dyn112.glocom.ac.jp [210.160.33.112]) by green.glocom.ac.jp (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ea088092 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:30:12 +0900 X-Sender: ajp@popper.glocom.ac.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 2.1.4-J Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:30:43 +0900 To: apple@apnic.net From: ajp@glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Subject: Germany - Text of CompuServe case online (from QuickLinks) Message-Id: <07301266804425@glocom.ac.jp> Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Germany - Text of CompuServe case online (from QuickLinks) An unofficial summary in English of the judgment against Felix Somm, former managing director of Compuserve Germany has been published on the QuickLinks archive. The full text of the judgment (in German) can be found at http://www.digital-law.net/papers/index.html http://www.jura.uni-wuerzburg.de/Lst/sieber/somm/somm-urteil.pdf - PDF version. http://www.qlinks.net/comdocs/somm.html (judgment in English) Adam Adam Peake GLOCOM Tokyo * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Thu Aug 6 16:28:02 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id QAA04646; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:28:02 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from green.glocom.ac.jp (green.glocom.ac.jp [210.160.32.2]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA04642 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:27:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from dyn112.glocom.ac.jp (dyn112.glocom.ac.jp [210.160.33.112]) by green.glocom.ac.jp (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id fa088093 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:30:19 +0900 X-Sender: ajp@popper.glocom.ac.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 2.1.4-J Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:30:50 +0900 To: apple@apnic.net From: ajp@glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Subject: Online: International Journal of Communications Law and Policy (IJCLP) Message-Id: <07301977804426@glocom.ac.jp> Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Gunnar Bender wrote: > ------------------------------------------ > SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT > ------------------------------------------ > The International Journal of Communications Law and Policy (IJCLP) has > launched its web-site today. > Please see the full content at: > > http://www.digital-law.net/IJCLP/ > > --------------------------- > Editors' Statement > --------------------------- > "Writing about the past in the past" is the continual accusation laid by users > of academic research, whether government, industry or, increasingly, students. > This frustration at the lack of contemporary relevance in the universities' > function is compounded by two relatively recent concerns of which universities > are 'late adopters'. These are: the globalisation paradigm in its many forms, > and the onset of digitalised information transfer. > These associated phenomena have led proponents to suggest that the social > sciences should respond by rephrasing their mission, presently defined by the > nation-state and spatially defined by their local physical environment, > towards a multinational and 'virtual' Internet project. > > The editors (in alphabetical order): > > Dr. Gunnar Bender (M$BGs(Jster) > Campbell Cowie (London) > Andreas Gr$BGs(Jwald (M$BGs(Jster) > Markus H$BAt(Jpener (M$BGs(Jster) > Christopher T. Marsden (Warwick) > Stefaan Verhulst (Oxford) > > ----------------------- > Articles > ----------------------- > There are three: by professors from three different countries, focussing on > three separate policy areas. First, member of the editorial advisory board > Monroe Price of Cardozo Law School, New York, who writes a provocative and > stimulating article on the future of public service television in the United > States. In part comparative, the article strikes a nerve for European policy- > makers in its advocacy of an auction for public service provision in the > digital age. Public ownership is a primary means of ensuring pluralism and > diversity in media sources. In the second article, Jens Cavallin, expert > advisor to the Council of Europe Mass Media Committee, and the Swedish > Committee on Media Pluralism, adopts the 'long view' of media ownership and > pluralism law and policy in the European arena, with contemporary warnings > that ownership legislation is falling further into disrepute as attention is > drawn to competitiveness and convergence. The competitiveness theme is taken > up in the third article. Professor Christian Koenig and Ernst Roeder of > Marburg University provide a critical appraisal of German constitutional law, > in its regulation of new media and digital services. The federal-state > tensions inherent in the Basic Constitution have created a duplication of > regulators, and consequent incoherence and inefficiency for investors. In a > convergent digital era, they believe that Germany cannot compete for > multinational investment without substantial reform of the constitution, to > allow unified regulation by the federal government. > > ------------------------- > Work In Progress > ------------------------- > The work in progress provides the clearest examples of the academic > interdisciplinary nature of IJCLP: work on the policy implications of digital > convergence on the future of the city by an urban geographer; future > directions in communications policy in a transitional economy by a Romanian > regulator; and the competition policy considerations which will absorb the > future attention of European Union and North American regulators by an English > lawyer and Scottish economist. First, Andy Pratt of the London School of > Economics presents a provocative paper which argues that the 'weightless > economy' conceptualised by his colleague in economics, Danny Quah , does not > signal the death-knell for the urban environment. On the contrary, it raises a > series of new questions and challenges for governments, which seek to increase > employability of their citizens in the Information Economy. Secondly, Cowie > and Marsden also seek to clarify policy analysis, in the provision of > converged communications. In their view, 'bottlenecks' in pay-TV are the > forerunner of increasingly complex and critically important regulatory issues > for communications regulators, in which standards-setting in the vertical > value chain takes on critical importance for corporate and government actors. > Thirdly, Nitilescu throws regulating imperfect markets into stark contrast, > with a case study of Romania, typical of many transitional (and developing) > economies in its late, and far from smooth, embrace of commercial > communications actors. > > --------------- > Case Note > --------------- > - CompuServe in Free Speech Jeopardy in Bavaria - > The first case note in the journal is of profound significance for an > international analysis of communications regulation: the heavy-handed and > potentially unconstitutional conviction of the former General Manager of > CompuServe in Munich. Dr. Gunnar Bender explains the significance and > implications of the state prosecution of the unfortunate Herr Somm, together > with analysis of the case itself, and the likely progress of an appeal. > It is hoped in future issues to address cases of similar significance for an > international readership. For instance, the facts of the 27 May decision of DG > IV of the European Commission to veto the proposed merger of Bertelsmann-Ufa's > pay-TV operations with those of Kirch Gruppe, via Deutsche Telekom's cable > network, are well-known. The implications for future digital pay-TV joint > ventures and mergers, particularly those of Telepiu in Italy, MCI-Worldcom in > the US, and BIB in the UK, are profound. IJCLP will attempt to put these > decisions into context. > In reporting casenotes, legislation and policy documents, the journal will > seek to bring a deeper analysis of the implications for future communications > policy. The dynamism of the law in this area, together with the confusion of > often clashing judgements of different jurisdictions, demonstrates the need > for lawyers, academics and policy actors to stay abreast of current > developments in this field. Information is brought by the IJCLP newsletter: > the journal will provide the analysis. > > --------------------------------------------- > Legislative and Policy Analysis > --------------------------------------------- > The first opinion on legislative analysis is equally contemporary, and > revealing of current US attitudes towards a critical socio-economic indicator > of regulatory intent: universal service in the Information Age. In her > exploration of the debate over the E-Rate (S.254, Telecommunications Act > 1996), Dr Beth Noveck supplies European and international communications > regulators and policy-makers with a salutary example of best intentioned > democratic legislation falling foul of practical politics in its > implementation. The definition of universal service in the Information Age > also occupied the minds of the workshop on Internet telephony organised at the > University of Marburg at the beginning of June (see Conference Abstracts) and > the International Telecommunications Society Biennial Conference (see > Conference Reviews). Readers exploring this site for further information are > thus supplied with a combination of resources: policy opinion, workshop > abstracts, conference reviews and links to the conference papers. It is hoped > that this example of providing a wide range of resources to our readers - that > of universal service and the Internet - can be repeated for other topics. For > instance, the associated topic of convergence is discussed in a work-in- > progress, conference abstracts, the links page, call for papers for Issue 2, > the link to the prototype issue, and the conference reviews. > > Readers are encouraged to use this new site as a wide-ranging resource: any > suggestions for further features and links they wish to see covered should be > e-mailed to the Editorial Team. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dr. Gunnar Bender > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Institute for Information, Telecommunications and Media Law (ITM) > Section for Administrative Law - Prof. Dr. Bernd Holznagel LL.M. > University of Muenster, Germany > Universitaetsstr. 14-16; D- 48143 Muenster > Tel.: +49/251/8328411 Fax: +49/251/8321830 > E-Mail: benderg@uni-muenster.de > Institute: http://www.uni-muenster.de/Jura.tkr/ > Private: http://www.digital-law.net/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Thu Aug 6 19:28:00 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id TAA05160; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:28:00 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from mail1.ntu.edu.sg (mail1.ntu.edu.sg [155.69.1.33]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA05155 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:27:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail1.ntu.edu.sg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:31:08 +0800 Message-ID: <6665AC0C667ED11186E308002BB487E101495801@exchange2> From: "Ang Peng Hwa (Dr)" To: "'ajp@glocom.ac.jp'" , apple@apnic.net Subject: RE: Germany - Text of CompuServe case online (from QuickLinks) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:29:31 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Adam, Thanks for the link. Minor error in the url. It's htm, not html. The story reminds me of the ditty in which heaven and hell in Europe is compared. Heaven has French food, Swiss government, Italian lover, English policeman, etc. Well, the ditty does that the policeman in hell is German. Boy, we better believe that now. Regards, Peng Hwa ANG -----Original Message----- From: ajp@glocom.ac.jp [mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp] Sent: Thursday, August 06, 1998 3:31 PM To: apple@apnic.net Subject: Germany - Text of CompuServe case online (from QuickLinks) Germany - Text of CompuServe case online (from QuickLinks) An unofficial summary in English of the judgment against Felix Somm, former managing director of Compuserve Germany has been published on the QuickLinks archive. The full text of the judgment (in German) can be found at http://www.digital-law.net/papers/index.html http://www.jura.uni-wuerzburg.de/Lst/sieber/somm/somm-urteil.pdf - PDF version. http://www.qlinks.net/comdocs/somm.html (judgment in English) Adam Adam Peake GLOCOM Tokyo * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Fri Aug 7 11:14:44 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id LAA07678; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:14:44 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from geocities.com (mail9.geocities.com [209.1.224.44]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA07674 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:14:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from geocities.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA12702 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35CA63D1.8564EA77@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 10:17:53 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS APPLE Subject: FYI: TLD-ID is in Status Quo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hello: Obviously, I failed twice to set up a rigor DNS maintenance team. Both failures lead to the same evil entity. i.e. the notorious Indonesian Internet cartel APJII (http://www.apjii.or.id). As TLD-ID in now in status quo, any zone changes (e.g. .ID primary) is subject to IANA's approval. Nonetheless, any IANA approval implies the removal of the current TLD-ID admin contact (RMS46). If IANA would like to solve this problem by itself, no problem. If IANA would like to query some questions, no problem too. IANA might also query second opinions from: 1. Dr. Luhukay (mailto:luhukay@mega.net.id) He is considered as one of "the fathers" of Indonesian Internet. Kilnam Chon knows him, and perhaps Robert Elz (kre) still remember him. 2. Mr. Sanjaya (mailto:sanjaya@indo.net.id) He is considered as one of "the fathers" of the Commercial Indonesian Internet. He attended the first APNIC meeting in Bangkok (1995), as well as once served as the APNIC council. Perhaps, David Conrad still remember him. Meanwhile, back into hibernation mode. -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 -[Coding, Coding, Coding] 3x Raw Hide! (Qualitative Analysis Theme) * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Fri Aug 7 17:51:21 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id RAA09193; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:51:21 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from green.glocom.ac.jp (green.glocom.ac.jp [210.160.32.2]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA09189 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:51:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from dyn108.glocom.ac.jp (dyn108.glocom.ac.jp [210.160.33.108]) by green.glocom.ac.jp (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id na088491 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:53:46 +0900 X-Sender: ajp@popper.glocom.ac.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 2.1.4-J Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:54:15 +0900 To: apple@apnic.net From: ajp@glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Subject: AP NIC/ccTLD survey Message-Id: <08534599406633@glocom.ac.jp> Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk At long last... Survey of Asia Pacific region NIC/ccTLD registration policies, please see URL The information is still draft, I'm waiting to hear comments and or corrections from some of the NIC/registries concerned. Currently have responses from 12 countries: Australia, China, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Japan, Korea, Laos, Malaysia, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, and Taiwan. My apologies to countries I missed in the first round of questioning. If any NIC/Registry staff from countries I've omitted are reading, please get a copy of the survey questions from URL and return to me. The survey began life at a BoF meeting held during INET97 in Kuala Lumpur and the questions reflect that, i.e. they are simple: at the BoF NIC's/registries present were asked off the cuff to describe their organization, formation and operation - a very simple format. I'd be pleased to hear from anyone with suggestions for improvements. People using Internet Explore may not like some of the tables... I use Netscape. Many thanks, Adam Adam Peake GLOCOM Tokyo * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sat Aug 8 02:36:22 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id CAA10374; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 02:36:22 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from exchange.agent.org ([206.5.17.29]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id CAA10370 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 02:36:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from [206.5.17.2] by exchange.chaos.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.acsd) with ESMTP id na009633 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:38:55 -0400 X-Sender: amr@mail.chaos.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.37 (Beta) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 13:38:54 -0400 To: apple@apnic.net From: Tony Rutkowski Subject: Fwd: [ifwp] AN IFWP CONSENSUS-BASED PROPOSAL Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <17385548004670@chaos.com> Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk >authorship here. These drafts (Articles of Incorporation and By-laws) >reflect the IFWP consensus thoughts as best as we could >capture them. They also incorporate the best from other drafts. >We have attempted to describe a structure that reflects the >consensus that most of us heard at Reston and Geneva. > >Please see http://198.41.3.10/policy/ifwp/ for major features of >these proposed drafts and links to Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws. These new consensus-based provisions look like they could lead to rapid implementation. Does anyone in the AP region have a good list of countries for the region that could be placed in Annex B? --tony * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sun Aug 9 02:12:05 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id CAA12705; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 02:12:05 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id CAA12701 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 02:11:59 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas0336.singnet.com.sg [165.21.56.166]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA24983 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 01:14:34 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 98 01:16:03 Subject: draft bylaws To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk To: apple@apnic.net From: Tony Rutkowski Subject: Fwd: [ifwp] AN IFWP CONSENSUS-BASED PROPOSAL Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <16572490204658@netmagic.com> >authorship here. These drafts (Articles of Incorporation and By-laws) >reflect the IFWP consensus thoughts as best as we could >capture them. They also incorporate the best from other drafts. >We have attempted to describe a structure that reflects the >consensus that most of us heard at Reston and Geneva. > >Please see http://198.41.3.10/policy/ifwp/ for major features of >these proposed drafts and links to Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws. These new consensus-based provisions look like they could lead to rapid implementation. Does anyone in the AP region have a good list of countries for the region that could be placed in Annex B? --tony -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 09/08/98 Time: 01:16:03 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sun Aug 9 02:12:40 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id CAA12712; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 02:12:40 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (zinc.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.31]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id CAA12707 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 02:12:28 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas0336.singnet.com.sg [165.21.56.166]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA10443 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 01:15:09 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 98 01:17:13 Subject: FW: Final Call for Participation of APTLD 11th Aug Singapore To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk --- On Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:27:27 +0800 (SGT) apng-sec@irdu.nus.edu.sg wrote: Just as an update to inform APNG members that our initiative to form the Asia Pacific country code Top Level Domain (TLD) holders council has led to a wider and larger initiative to form the World Wide Alliance of TLDs (wwTLDs) with the European CENTR and CANARIE. The second APccTLD mtg will be held at 9am at the Orchard Hotel in Singapore on 11 Aug 98, next Tuesday. We will join forces with other ccTLDs to inaugurate the wwTLD at 12 noon. To date, we have collected the support of nearly 100 ccTLDs from all over the world have already signatory to the WWTLD position paper. (see http://www.apng.org/wwtld/positionpaper.html) Based on the united position of wwTLD, with the support of APccTLD, we hope we can reach collectively agreement and make representation to the IFWP-AP forum, the Internet Forum on the White Paper, to help in forming the Names Council component of the new IANA which is to adminster the future of the Internet. For more details on these meetings, please see APccTLD: http://www.apng.org/apcctld/ wwTLD: http://www.canarie.ca/tld CENTR: http://www.ripe.net/centr To all country code TLDs not already participating in APccTLD, please join as members of APTLD. 26 country TLD holders have already signed up and more joining: American Samoa, Australia, Bhutan, Cambodia, China, East Timor, Fiji, French Southern Territories, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Korea, Japan, Malaysia, Mongolia, Myanmar New Zealand, Niue, Palau, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Singapore, Solomon Islands, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Thailand. Send an email to Professor Kilnam Chon, chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr or Toru Takahashi (toru@iaj.or.jp) Chairs of APTLD, or to me. To all APNG members, please support this APTLD initiative. Best rgds Tin Wee -- Chairman, APNG tinwee@pobox.org.sg http://www.apng.org -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 09/08/98 Time: 01:17:13 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sun Aug 9 09:54:48 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id JAA14335; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 09:54:48 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA14329 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 09:54:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA04239 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 19:57:27 -0500 Message-ID: <03f601bdc32e$d8d6a720$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: "APPLe " Subject: Fw: Highlights from the Asia Pacific Region Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 19:44:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Jim Fleming To: IFWP ORG Date: Saturday, August 08, 1998 6:16 PM Subject: Highlights from the Asia Pacific Region > >People are spending a substantial amount of time and >money to fly to Singapore to discuss Internet Governance >in that region. I hope that people are also spending time >getting background information unique to that region. > >The following archive contains a substantial amount of >discussion about the Asia Pacific Region. Some of it >is with David Conrad, the person that used to be the >Executive Director of APNIC. It might provide of flavor >of what the region was like, under the old IANA. > >ftp://ftp.apnic.net/mailing-lists/apnic-talk/apnic-talk.archive.9805 > > >The following web-bytes help to summarize what >I feel are some of the major issues unique to that >region and mostly APNIC. > > 1 - Franchise payments to the IANA > 2 - GAR > 3 - APNIC's involvement with TLDs > 4 - APNIC's involvement with TLDs > 5 - APNIC's operational state > 6 - APNIC's recent relocation from Japan to Australia > 7 - APNIC subsidizing the APRICOT Trade Show > 8 - The lack of participation in the region > > >Jim Fleming >Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com > > > >[1] @@@@ >http://teckla.apnic.net/annual_reports/1997/financial_status.htm#c3_2 > >"Service fees which consisted of the APNIC payment of >US $50,000 to the IANA in April, 1997;" > >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > >[2] @@@@ http://www.arin.net/archives/arin-members.9803 > >"The three current regional number registries (APNIC, RIPE, ARIN) have >been working for the past year with the IANA to create a Global Address >Registry (GAR) for this purpose." > >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > >[3] @@@@ >http://teckla.apnic.net/annual_reports/1997/resource_status.htm#c4_1 > >"In addition, as an attempt to promote a common naming system for national >Network Information Centers in the AP region, APNIC reserved xxNIC.NET >domain names where "xx" is the 2-letter ISO-3166 country code for countries >in Asia and the Pacific Rim. As a result, APNIC has the authority to >delegates >these xxNIC.NET domains to appropriate organizations in the Asia and Pacific >Rim regions and this delegation authority rests with the APNIC Executive >Council. > >To date, the following xxNIC.NET domains have been delegated: >THNIC.NET >AUNIC.NET >KRNIC.NET >TWNIC.NET >JPNIC.NET >MYNIC.NET >Requests have been received in the past for TONIC.NET (Tonga), >CNNIC.NET (China), SGNIC.NET (Singapore), PHNIC.NET (Philippines), >INNIC.NET (India), IDNIC.NET (Indonesia), LKNIC.NET (Sri Lanka), >VNNIC.NET (Viet Nam) and PKNIC.NET (Pakistan), however no additional >delegations have yet occurred as the organizations in question did not meet >the criteria (i.e., obtain a "rough consensus" of the Internet community in >the >country in question and/or represent the government of the country in >question >directly) for the delegation to occur prior to the end of 1997." > >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > >[4] @ http://teckla.apnic.net/annual_reports/1997/vital_stats.htm#c1 > >"Whether the Executive Council should make the final decision on whether >an organization requesting the xxNIC.NET domain is appropriate for >delegation to occur after which the Executive Council agreed that it was >their responsibility to make the decision;"... > >"Whether APNIC should contribute and/or support a survey of national top >level domains in the AP region, after which the decision was in the >affirmative;" > >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > >[5] @@@ >http://teckla.apnic.net/annual_reports/1997/future_directions.htm#c6_1 > >"Database Cleanup >The current registry database system is has significant amounts of >incorrect data. This is a significant issue as the registry database is >intended >to be the location of authoritative information on which organizations >control >which resources. It is likely that unless the registry database system is >revised, >conflicts will arise when organizations attempt to obtain Internet >connectivity >with historically allocated resources but which no longer have up to date >information in the registry database." > >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > >[6] @@@ >http://teckla.apnic.net/annual_reports/1997/other_activities.htm#c5_2 > >"APNIC Headquarters Relocation > >Around first quarter 1997, APNIC began to investigate what would be required >to hire additional staff for the APNIC office in Japan. After lengthy >consultations >with various organizations, it was established that the question of whether >APNIC >needed to pay tax in Japan was somewhat indeterminate. Specifically, >according >to two of three accountancy firms, APNIC should pay taxes, while the third >indicated >exactly the opposite. After significant discussion, it was decided to >evaluate the >costs of doing business in Japan vis-a-vis doing business in other Asia or >Pacific >Rim locations." > >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > >[7] @@@ >http://teckla.apnic.net/annual_reports/1997/other_activities.htm#c5_1 > >APRICOT 1997 cost $318,030.68. > >Can you provide similar information for APRICOT 1998 >and also information on how much APNIC money was spent >on each person below ? > >@@@@@ http://www.apricot.net/html/instructors.html >Eric Allman >Butch Anton >Robert J. Berger >Scott Bradner <------ ARIN >David Conrad <------ APNIC >Gene Deutsch >Barb Dijker >Paul Ferguson >Stewart Forster >Barbara Fraser >Laina Raveendran Greene <--- APIA >Geoff Huston <--------- APNIC >Hugh Irvine >Andrew Khoo >Anne Lord <---- APNIC (RIPE) >Ron Masson >Evi Nemeth >Sam Ramadan >Danny Smith >Philip Smith >Paul Vixie > >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > >[8] @@@@ >http://teckla.apnic.net/annual_reports/1997/future_directions.htm#c6_1 > >"Unfortunately, in the past, the membership has not been particularly active >in >guiding APNIC, despite establishing a mailing list for discussion >(apnic-talk@apnic.net) >and requesting input on numerous occasions." > >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > > > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 10 03:24:01 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id DAA24571; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 03:24:01 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id DAA24567 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 03:23:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from IST.SYR.EDU (ist.syr.edu [128.230.182.180]) by syr.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23364; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IST/SpoolDir by IST.SYR.EDU (Mercury 1.21); 9 Aug 98 14:26:44 EDT Received: from SpoolDir by IST (Mercury 1.21); 9 Aug 98 14:26:16 EDT Received: from syr.edu by IST.SYR.EDU (Mercury 1.21) with ESMTP; 9 Aug 98 14:26:13 EDT Message-ID: <35CDE9D4.F7B6CAC@syr.edu> Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 14:26:28 -0400 From: mueller Reply-To: mueller@syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: list@ifwp.org CC: apple@apnic.net, toru@iaj.or.jp, info@pgmedia.net Subject: The wwTLD organization: cartel in formation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk I hate to say "I told you so," but the ongoing organization of ccTLDs into a political bloc is beginning to realize some of my worst fears. The message forwarded below contains a link to the position paper of this proposed new organization. Among the most important and interesting features of this position paper is the following assertion: "In this context, and in keeping with the spirit of the proposals for the address and protocol numbering support organizations (and related councils) the signatories would propose that the World Wide Alliance of TLDs, which is open to all TLDs, be considered the Names Support Organization and be responsible for nominating the Names Council." Consider what this means. The WWTLD is an organization composed entirely and exclusively of existing TLD registries. This organization is asking to be designated *The* "Names Organization" and given exclusive control over the nomination of the Names Council. The Names Council, under the Postel proposal, will have nearly total control over the future policies regarding the name space. That means that existing suppliers of registry services want to be given total control over how much, when, and whether, new competition in their service business will be created. There is a very simple and precise economic term for such an arrangement. It is called a cartel. When the suppliers of an industry form an organization to control the terms and conditions of supply, it is a cartel. The wwTLD organization is attempting to become the OPEC of the name space. I am disappointed in the short-sightedness this reveals. Some of us are participating in the IFWP process because we see in it, perhaps somewhat naively and idealistically, a chance to set up a fair, efficient, open and durable institutional framework for one of the world's most important communications media. Others, apparently, see nothing more dramatic than a chance to grab some power for themselves. In previous debates about ccTLD organizations and policies, it has often been claimed that namespace policies had to respect cultural, political and economic differences among countries. I have always been sympathetic to that argument, and have been willing to curb criticism of specific ccTLDs for that reason. But now it is clear that certain people have a much more Machiavellian approach to the ccTLD issue. They simply view the ccTLD holders as a convenient power base which can be exploited to grab control of the name space. As a supporter of market competition, consumer rights, and free trade, I intend to do everything I can to oppose giving this new cartel, WWTLD, any privileged position in the Names Council or over name space policy. I hope other IFWP participants, especially those who plan to go to Singapore, will join this effort. --Milton Mueller > --- On Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:27:27 +0800 (SGT) apng-sec@irdu.nus.edu.sg > wrote: > Just as an update to inform APNG members that > our initiative to form the Asia Pacific country code > Top Level Domain (TLD) holders council has led to a wider > and larger initiative to form the World Wide Alliance > of TLDs (wwTLDs) with the European CENTR and CANARIE. > > The second APccTLD mtg will be held at 9am at the > Orchard Hotel in Singapore on 11 Aug 98, next Tuesday. > We will join forces with other ccTLDs to inaugurate > the wwTLD at 12 noon. > > To date, we have collected the support of > nearly 100 ccTLDs from all over the > world have already signatory to the WWTLD position paper. > (see http://www.apng.org/wwtld/positionpaper.html) > > Based on the united position of wwTLD, with the > support of APccTLD, we hope we can reach collectively > agreement and make representation to the IFWP-AP > forum, the Internet Forum on the White Paper, to > help in forming the Names Council component of the > new IANA which is to adminster the future of the Internet. > > For more details on these meetings, please see > APccTLD: http://www.apng.org/apcctld/ > wwTLD: http://www.canarie.ca/tld > CENTR: http://www.ripe.net/centr > > To all country code TLDs not already participating in > APccTLD, please join as members of APTLD. > 26 country TLD holders have already signed up and more joining: > American Samoa, Australia, Bhutan, Cambodia, China, East Timor, > Fiji, French Southern Territories, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Korea, Japan, > Malaysia, Mongolia, Myanmar New Zealand, Niue, Palau, Papua New > Guinea, Philippines, Singapore, Solomon Islands, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, > Tajikistan, Thailand. > > Send an email to Professor Kilnam Chon, chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr > or Toru Takahashi (toru@iaj.or.jp) Chairs of APTLD, or to me. > To all APNG members, please support this APTLD initiative. > > Best rgds > Tin Wee > -- > Chairman, APNG > tinwee@pobox.org.sg > http://www.apng.org > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- > > ------------------------------------- > Name: Laina Raveendran Greene > E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg > Date: 09/08/98 > Time: 01:17:13 > > This message was sent by Chameleon > ------------------------------------- > > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 10 04:21:14 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id EAA24632; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 04:21:14 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id EAA24628 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 04:21:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA06887; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:23:50 -0500 Message-ID: <058601bdc3c9$54a53d40$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: , Cc: , , , Subject: Re: The wwTLD organization: cartel in formation Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:10:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: mueller To: list@ifwp.org Cc: apple@apnic.net ; toru@iaj.or.jp ; info@pgmedia.net Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 1:30 PM Subject: The wwTLD organization: cartel in formation >There is a very simple and precise economic term for such an arrangement. It >is called a cartel. When the suppliers of an industry form an organization >to control the terms and conditions of supply, it is a cartel. > >The wwTLD organization is attempting to become the OPEC of the name space. > While I can understand your knee-jerk reaction... In my opinion, you might want to look at the larger picture. ccTLDS are not the only TLDs on planet Earth...only about 10% from my point of view... http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt Your comments seem to imply that no other TLDs exist in the world and you are assuming that the various RSCs in the world will have no impact on the legacy Root Name Server Confederation that the U.S. Government currently controls. Also, you seem to be giving the IFWP people far too much credit for their recent entry into these debates. Just because people have been flying around the world for the past few months does not give them any more say over the ccTLD operators that are tied to their posts providing service to Internet. When you come out with such strong concerns about the relatively small group of ccTLD operators, you give them a larger legitimacy than they likely deserve and you diminish the efforts of people around the world that have been at this a long, long time. Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 10 06:48:46 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id GAA24816; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:48:46 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from exchange.agent.org ([206.5.17.29]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id GAA24812 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:48:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from [206.5.17.2] by exchange.chaos.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.acsd) with ESMTP id na009763 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 17:51:24 -0400 X-Sender: amr@mail.chaos.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 17:51:21 -0400 To: mueller@syr.edu, list@ifwp.org From: Tony Rutkowski Subject: Re: The wwTLD organization: cartel in formation Cc: apple@apnic.net, toru@iaj.or.jp, info@pgmedia.net In-Reply-To: <35CDE9D4.F7B6CAC@syr.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <21512393505437@chaos.com> Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk >Consider what this means. The WWTLD is an organization composed entirely and >exclusively of existing TLD registries. This organization is asking to be >designated *The* "Names Organization" and given exclusive control over the >nomination of the Names Council. The Names Council, under the Postel >proposal, will have nearly total control over the future policies regarding >the name space. That means that existing suppliers of registry services want Milton, These kinds of machinations only serve to underscore the importance of effecting an open, accountable corporation such as that created by the consensus based articles and bylaws. --tony * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 10 08:05:20 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id IAA24925; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:05:20 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (zinc.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.31]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA24921 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:05:16 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas2560.singnet.com.sg [165.21.55.70]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA25528 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:08:03 +0800 (SGT) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 98 07:09:46 Subject: ccTLD To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk To: mueller@syr.edu, list@ifwp.org From: Tony Rutkowski Subject: Re: The wwTLD organization: cartel in formation Cc: apple@apnic.net, toru@iaj.or.jp, info@pgmedia.net In-Reply-To: <35CDE9D4.F7B6CAC@syr.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <21512393505437@chaos.com> Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk >Consider what this means. The WWTLD is an organization composed entirely and >exclusively of existing TLD registries. This organization is asking to be >designated *The* "Names Organization" and given exclusive control over the >nomination of the Names Council. The Names Council, under the Postel >proposal, will have nearly total control over the future policies regarding >the name space. That means that existing suppliers of registry services want Milton, These kinds of machinations only serve to underscore the importance of effecting an open, accountable corporation such as that created by the consensus based articles and bylaws. --tony * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 10/08/98 Time: 07:09:46 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 10 08:06:32 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id IAA24938; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:06:32 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from iron.singnet.com.sg (iron.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.29]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA24934 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:06:27 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas2560.singnet.com.sg [165.21.55.70]) by iron.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA23514 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:09:15 +0800 (SGT) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 98 07:11:17 Subject: FW: BOUNCE apple@postoffice.apnic.net: Non-member submission from [Patrick Greenwell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk From: Patrick Greenwell To: IFWP Discussion List cc: apple@apnic.net, toru@iaj.or.jp, info@pgmedia.net Subject: Re: [ifwp] The wwTLD organization: cartel in formation In-Reply-To: <36625-15461@lists.interactivehq.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, mueller wrote: > As a supporter of market competition, consumer rights, and free trade, I > intend to do everything I can to oppose giving this new cartel, WWTLD, any > privileged position in the Names Council or over name space policy. I hope > other IFWP participants, especially those who plan to go to Singapore, will > join this effort. You can count on it. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ /\ Patrick Greenwell (800) 299-1288 v Systems Administrator (925) 377-1212 v NameSecure (925) 377-1414 f \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ \/ -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 10/08/98 Time: 07:11:17 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 10 08:06:12 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id IAA24931; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:06:12 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (zinc.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.31]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA24927 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:06:07 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas2560.singnet.com.sg [165.21.55.70]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA25575 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:08:55 +0800 (SGT) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 98 07:10:54 Subject: FW: BOUNCE apple@postoffice.apnic.net: Non-member submission from [Jeff Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk From: Jeff Williams Organization: IEG. INC. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: list@ifwp.org CC: apple@apnic.net, toru@iaj.or.jp, info@pgmedia.net Subject: Re: [ifwp] Re: The wwTLD organization: cartel in formation References: <36651-14823@lists.interactivehq.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tony and all, Tony Rutkowski wrote: > >Consider what this means. The WWTLD is an organization composed entirely and > >exclusively of existing TLD registries. This organization is asking to be > >designated *The* "Names Organization" and given exclusive control over the > >nomination of the Names Council. The Names Council, under the Postel > >proposal, will have nearly total control over the future policies regarding > >the name space. That means that existing suppliers of registry services want > > Milton, > > These kinds of machinations only serve to underscore > the importance of effecting an open, accountable > corporation such as that created by the consensus > based articles and bylaws. We totally agree. Problem is that we have no existing mechanism by which to judge weather we have a "Consensus" or not. This is why it was and still is our opinion that we put in a voting application on the IFWP web site for each conference in order to attain a good basis for determining weather or not we have 'Consensus" or not. > > > --tony > > __________________________________________________ > To view the archive of this list, go to: > http://lists.interactivehq.org/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=ifwp > > To receive the digest version instead, send a > blank email to ifwp-digest@lists.interactivehq.org > > To SUBSCRIBE forward this message to: > subscribe-IFWP@lists.interactivehq.org > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, forward this message to: > unsubscribe-ifwp@lists.interactivehq.org > > Problems/suggestions regarding this list? Email andy@interactivehq.org. > ___END____________________________________________ Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 10/08/98 Time: 07:10:54 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 10 10:33:12 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id KAA25346; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:33:12 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from baygate.bayarea.net (IDENT:root@baygate.bayarea.net [204.71.212.2]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA25342 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:33:07 +0900 (JST) Received: (from dcrocker@localhost) by baygate.bayarea.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id SAA20499; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.0.44.19980810090355.00b98f00@mail.bayarea.net> X-Sender: dcrocker@mail.bayarea.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:09:23 +0800 To: list@ifwp.org From: Dave Crocker Subject: Re: [ifwp] The wwTLD organization: cartel in formation Cc: IFWP Discussion List , apple@apnic.net, toru@iaj.or.jp, info@pgmedia.net In-Reply-To: <36625-15622@lists.interactivehq.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk At 02:26 PM 8/9/98 -0400, mueller wrote: >I hate to say "I told you so," but the ongoing organization of ccTLDs into a >political bloc is beginning to realize some of my worst fears. The message Given the loud and frequent calls for "self-organzing" it is getting confusing to decide why someone would react so negatively when a group self-organizes. Constituencies form explicit groups to ensure representation of their interests. This is a natural part of a self-organzing process. Choosing to use unflammatory labels for such groups does not promote constructive dialogue. Rather than complain about such groups, would it not make more sense to consider their claims and negotiate accordingly. Living in a country in which most items of sale have a negotiated price reduces one's concern about the first negotiating position taken by a group that is seeking to gain leverage. Rather than get unhappy about their efforts, it simply provides a basis for discussion. I suggest we deal with the content of their desires, rather than complain that they have self-organized. d/ _________________________________________________________________________ Dave CROCKER Tel: +1 408 246 8253 BRANDENBURG CONSULTING Tel: +60 19 3299 445 675 Spruce Drive P. O. Box 296, UPM Sunnyvale, CA 94086 www.brandenburg.com Serdang, Selangor 43400 United States Fax: +1 408 273 6464 Malaysia * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 10 10:50:02 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id KAA25406; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:50:02 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA25402 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:49:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA07265; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:52:43 -0500 Message-ID: <05f501bdc3ff$9ac01bc0$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: Cc: "IFWP Discussion List" , , , Subject: Re: [ifwp] Re: The wwTLD organization: cartel in formation Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:38:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Dave Crocker To: IFWP Discussion List Cc: IFWP Discussion List ; apple@apnic.net ; toru@iaj.or.jp ; info@pgmedia.net Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 8:37 PM Subject: [ifwp] Re: The wwTLD organization: cartel in formation >At 02:26 PM 8/9/98 -0400, mueller wrote: >>I hate to say "I told you so," but the ongoing organization of ccTLDs into a >>political bloc is beginning to realize some of my worst fears. The message > >Given the loud and frequent calls for "self-organzing" it is getting >confusing to decide why someone would react so negatively when a group >self-organizes. > I don't think they "self-organized". It is clear that Jon Postel encouraged them. I believe that is why people are reacting in a negative way. It is one more example of the many hats that Jon Postel tries to wear. When people are paid by the U.S. Government to perform a role, they are expected to wear one hat in that role. This is something that Jon Postel does not seem to understand or agree with. The obvious solution is for the U.S. Government to stop funding him. Once that occurs, then he can wear whatever hat he pleases. The same holds for other people in these forums that are funded by the U.S. Government. Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com P.S. Imagine what would happen at this point if people found out that Ira Magaziner was helping some group "self-organize" a TLD movement. Would they have a right to be upset ? * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 10 12:22:16 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id MAA25753; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:22:16 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA25749 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:22:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA07370; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:24:48 -0500 Message-ID: <060201bdc40c$75c8fdc0$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: Cc: , , Subject: Re: [ifwp] Re: The wwTLD organization: cartel in formation Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:10:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Karl Auerbach To: IFWP Discussion List Cc: apple@apnic.net ; toru@iaj.or.jp ; info@pgmedia.net Date: Sunday, August 09, 1998 9:43 PM Subject: [ifwp] Re: The wwTLD organization: cartel in formation > >> As a supporter of market competition, consumer rights, and free trade, I >> intend to do everything I can to oppose giving this new cartel, WWTLD, any >> privileged position in the Names Council or over name space policy. I hope >> other IFWP participants, especially those who plan to go to Singapore, will >> join this effort. > >I'm with you - whether it be domain names of IP addresses, control of the >regulatory apparatus should not be in the hands of those to whom the >regulations are intended to apply. > If we look at the 13 legacy Root Name Servers, some of them are controlled by individuals but ultimately there is an organization behind each one. Using your criteria, could these 13 "people" form the Board of the new IANA ? Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 10 12:51:17 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id MAA25835; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:51:17 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from armstrong.apic.net (armstrong.apic.net [203.22.101.2]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA25831 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:51:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from boss.apic.net (boss.apic.net [203.22.102.40]) by armstrong.apic.net (8.8.7/APIC-2.1) with SMTP id NAA22040 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:53:14 +1000 (EST) X-Org: The Asia Pacific Internet Company Pty. Ltd. X-URL: http://www.apic.net/ Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980810135303.00991d98@mail.apic.net> X-Sender: bala@mail.apic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:53:03 +1000 To: apple@apnic.net From: Bala Pillai Subject: Noam Chomsky on Microsoft (fw) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Dear APPLers, Talking about cartels and self-organising, you might find Noam Chomsky's insight on the evolution of the Net useful. cheers../bala bala@apic.net >From http://www.corpwatch.org/trac/feature/microsoft/chomsky.html A CORPORATE WATCH INTERVIEW WITH NOAM CHOMSKY (May '98) Corporate Watch's Anna Couey and Joshua Karliner caught up with Noam Chomsky by telephone at his home in the Boston area to ask him about Microsoft and Bill Gates. The following is a transcript of our far ranging conversation. CW: So our first question is, how significant do you see the recent skirmishes between the Department of Justice and Microsoft? Do you see it as an important turn of events? NC: There's some significance. We shouldn't exaggerate it. If there are three major corporations controlling what is essentially public property and a public creation, namely the Internet, telecommunications, and so on, that's not a whole lot better than one corporation controlling, but it's maybe a minor difference. The question is to what extent parasites like Microsoft should be parasites off the public system, or should be granted any rights at all. CW: Give us a little bit of historical context. How does what's happening with Microsoft's growing power, and its role in society fit into the history of U.S. Corporate power, the evolution of corporations? NC: Here's a brief history, a thumbnail sketch. There were corporations as far back as the 18th century, and beyond. In the United States, corporations were public bodies. Basically, they were associations. A bunch of people could get together and say we want to build a bridge over this river, and could get a state charter which allowed them to do that, precisely that and nothing more. The corporation had no rights of individual persons. The model for the corporation back at the time of the framing of the Constitution was a municipality. Through the 19th century, that began to change. It's important to remember that the constitutional system was not designed in the first place to defend the rights of people. Rather, the rights of people had to be balanced, as Madison put it, against what he called "the rights of property." Well of course, property has no rights: my pen has no rights. Maybe I have a right to it, but the pen has no rights. So, this is just a code phrase for the rights of people with property. The constitutional system was founded on the principle that the rights of people with property have to be privileged; they have rights because they're people, but they also have special rights because they have property. As Madison put it in the constitutional debates, the goal of government must be "to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority." That's the way the system was set up. In the United States, around the turn of the century, through radical judicial activism, the courts changed crucially the concept of the corporation. They simply redefined them so as to grant not only privileges to property owners, but also to what legal historians call "collectivist legal entities." Corporations, in other words, were granted early in this century the rights of persons, in fact, immortal persons, and persons of immense power. And they were freed from the need to restrict themselves to the grants of state charters. That's a very big change. It's essentially establishing major private tyrannies, which are furthermore unaccountable, because they're protected by First Amendment rights, freedom from search and seizure and so on, so you can't figure out what they're doing. After the Second World War, it was well understood in the business world that they were going to have to have state coordination, subsidy, and a kind of socialization of costs and risks. The only question was how to do that. The method that was hit upon pretty quickly was the "Pentagon system" (including the DOE, AEC, NASA). These publicly-subsidized systems have been the core of the dynamic sectors of the American economy ever since (much the same is true of biotechnology, pharmaceuticals, etc., relying on different public sources). And that certainly leads right to Microsoft. So how does Microsoft achieve its enormous profits? Well, Bill Gates is pretty frank about it. He says they do it by "embracing and extending" the ideas of others. They're based on computers, for example. Computers were created at public expense and public initiative. In the 1950s when they were being developed, it was about 100% public expense. The same is true of the Internet. The ideas, the initiatives, the software, the hardware -- these were created for about 30 years at public initiative and expense, and it's just now being handed over to guys like Bill Gates. CW: What are the social and cultural impacts of allowing, not only a monopoly, but even if it's just a few large corporations, dominating something as basic as human speech, communication with each other? NC: It's a form of tyranny. But, that's the whole point of corporatization -- to try to remove the public from making decisions over their own fate, to limit the public arena, to control opinion, to make sure that the fundamental decisions that determine how the world is going to be run -- which includes production, commerce, distribution, thought, social policy, foreign policy, everything -- are not in the hands of the public, but rather in the hands of highly concentrated private power. In effect, tyranny unaccountable to the public. And there are various modalities for doing this. One is to have the communication system, the so-called information system, in the hands of a network of, fewer or more doesn't matter that much, private tyrannies. Let's take the media in the United States. These are corporate media, overwhelmingly. Even the so-called public media are not very different. They are just huge corporations that sell audiences to advertisers in other businesses. And they're supposed to constitute the communications system. It's not complicated to figure out what's going to come out of this. That includes also the entertainment industries, so-called, the various modalities for diverting people from the public arena, and so on. And there are new things happening all the time. Like right at this minute, there's a dramatic example, that's the Multilateral Agreement on Investment (MAI), which is supposed to be signed this month, but they're not going to make it. The negotiations have been going on in secret for about three years. It's essentially a huge corporate power play, trying to give "investors" -- that doesn't mean the guy working on the shop floor, it means the board of directors of GE, of Merrill Lynch, and so on -- to give investors extraordinary rights. That's being done in secret because the people involved, which is the whole business community incidentally, know that the public is going to hate it. So therefore the media are keeping it secret. And it's an astonishing feat for three years to keep quiet about what everyone knows to be a major set of decisions, which are going to lock countries into certain arrangements. It'll prevent public policy. Now you can argue that it's a good thing, a bad thing, you can argue what you like, but there's no doubt about how the public is going to react, and there's no doubt about the fact that the media, which have been well aware of this from the beginning have succeeded in virtually not mentioning it. CW: How would a company like Microsoft benefit from the MAI? NC: They could move capital freely. They could invest it where they like. There would be no restrictions on anything they do. A country, or a town, like say, Cambridge, Massachusetts, where I live, where I work, could not impose conditions on consumer protection, environmental control, investment and set-asides for minorities or women, you name it, that would be ruled out. Now exactly how far this would go depends on the disposition to enforce it. These things are not determined by words. There's nothing in the Constitution, or the amendments to the Constitution, which allows private tyrannies to have the right to personhood. It's just power, not the wording. What the MAI would mean in practice depends on what the power relations are, like whether people object to it so strenuously they won't allow it to happen, maybe by riots, or whatever. So those are the terms that they're going to try to impose. A crucial element of this is what they call the ratchet effect; that is existing legislation is to be allowed, but it has to be removed over time. It has to be rolled back, and no new legislation can be introduced conflicting with the rights of Microsoft to do anything they like in the international arena, or domestically. Well over time that's supposed to have a ratchet effect, to turn the world over more and more in the hands of the major private tyrannies, like Microsoft, with their alliances and interactions. CW: Economist Brian Arthur argues that with the rapidly changing nature of technology, no one will remain in a monopoly position for long, so that monopoly power in the technology industries is different than what we've historically seen, and is nothing to worry about. NC: But there never was monopoly power; or there very rarely was monopoly power. Take highly concentrated power systems, like the energy industries. But they're not strictly speaking monopolies. Shell and Exxon are competitors. This is a highly managed system of market administration, with enormous state power entering in the interests of a small collection of private tyrannies. It's very rare to find a real monopoly. AT&T was a monopoly for a time, that's why it could create things like the transistor, for example. It was a monopoly, so therefore they could charge high rates. But that's certainly unusual. CW: Do you think the whole monopoly issue is something to be concerned about? NC: These are oligopolies; they are small groups of highly concentrated power systems which are integrated with one another. If one of them were to get total control of some system, other powers probably wouldn't allow it. In fact, that's what you're seeing. CW: So, you don't think Bill Gates is a latter-day John D. Rockefeller? NC: John D. Rockefeller wasn't a monopolist. Standard Oil didn't run the whole industry; they tried. But other power centers simply don't want to allow that amount of power to one of them. CW: Then in fact, maybe there is a parallel there between Gates and Rockefeller, or not? NC: Think of the feudal system. You had kings and princes and bishops and lords and so on. They for the most part did not want power to be totally concentrated, they didn't want total tyrants. They each had their fiefdoms they wanted to maintain in a system of highly concentrated power. They just wanted to make sure the population, the rabble so-called, wouldn't be part of it. It's for this reason the question of monopoly -- I don't want to say it's not important -- but it's by no means the core of the issue. It is indeed unlikely that any pure monopoly could be sustained. Remember that this changing technology that they're talking about is overwhelmingly technology that's developed at public initiative and public expense. Like the Internet after all, 30 years of development by the public then handed over to private power. That's market capitalism. CW: How has that transfer from the public to the private sphere changed the Internet? NC: As long as the Internet was under control of the Pentagon, it was free. People could use it freely [for] information sharing. That remained true when it stayed within the state sector of the National Science Foundation. As late as about 1994, people like say, Bill Gates, had no interest in the Internet. He wouldn't even go to conferences about it, because he didn't see a way to make a profit from it. Now it's being handed over to private corporations, and they tell you pretty much what they want to do. They want to take large parts of the Internet and cut it out of the public domain altogether, turn it into intranets, which are fenced off with firewalls, and used simply for internal corporate operations. They want to control access, and that's a large part of Microsoft's efforts: control access in such a way that people who access the Internet will be guided to things that *they* want, like home marketing service, or diversion, or something or other. If you really know exactly what you want to find, and have enough information and energy, you may be able to find what you want. But they want to make that as difficult as possible. And that's perfectly natural. If you were on the board of directors of Microsoft, sure, that's what you'd try to do. Well, you know, these things don't *have* to happen. The public institution created a public entity which can be kept under public control. But that's going to mean a lot of hard work at every level, from Congress down to local organizations, unions, other citizens' groups which will struggle against it in all the usual ways. CW: What would it look like if it were under public control? NC: It would look like it did before, except much more accessible because more people would have access to it. And with no constraints. People could just use it freely. That has been done, as long as it was in the public domain. It wasn't perfect, but it had more or less the right kind of structure. That's what Microsoft and others want to destroy. CW: And when you say that, you're referring to the Internet as it was 15 years ago. NC: We're specifically talking about the Internet. But more generally the media has for most of this century, and increasingly in recent years, been under corporate power. But that's not always been the case. It doesn't have to be the case. We don't have to go back very far to find differences. As recently as the 1950s, there were about 800 labor newspapers reaching 20-30 million people a week, with a very different point of view. You go back further, the community-based and labor-based and other media were basically on par with the corporate media early in this century. These are not laws of nature, they're just the results of high concentration of power granted by the state through judicial activism and other private pressure, which can be reversed and overcome. CW: So take the increasing concentration in the technology that we're looking at with Microsoft and some of these other companies, and compare it with recent mergers in the defense, media, insurance, and banking industries, and especially the context of globalization. Are we looking at a new stage in global capitalism, or is this just a continuation of business as usual? NC: By gross measures, contemporary globalization is bringing the world back to what it was about a century ago. In the early part of the century, under basically British domination and the gold standard, if you look at the amount of trade, and then the financial flow, and so on, relative to the size of the economy, we're pretty much returning to that now, after a decline between the two World Wars. Now there are some differences. For example, the speed of financial transactions has been much enhanced in the last 25 years through the so-called telecommunications revolution, which was a revolution largely within the state sector. Most of the system was designed, developed, and maintained at public expense, then handed over to private profit. State actions also broke down the post-war international economic system, the Bretton Woods system in the early 1970s. It was dismantled by Richard Nixon, with US and British initiative primarily. The system of regulation of capital flows was dismantled, and that, along with the state-initiated telecommunications revolution led to an enormous explosion of speculative capital flow, which is now well over a trillion dollars a day, and is mostly non-productive. If you go back to around 1970, international capital flows were about 90% related to the real economy, like trade and investment. By now, at most a few percent are related to the real economy. Most have to do with financial manipulations, speculations against currencies, things which are really destructive to the economy. And that is a change that wasn't true, not only wasn't true 100 years ago, it wasn't true 40 years ago. So there are changes. And you can see their effects. That's surely part of the reason for the fact that the recent period, the last 25 years, has been a period of unusually slow economic growth, of low productivity growth, of stagnation or decline of wages and incomes for probably two thirds of the population, even in a rich country like this. And enormously high profits for a very small part of the population. And it's worse in the Third World. You can read in the New York Times, the lead article in the "Week in Review" yesterday, Sunday, April 12, that America is prospering and happy. And you look at the Americans they're talking about, it turns out it's not the roughly two thirds of the population whose incomes are stagnating or declining, it's the people who own stock. So, ok, they're undoubtedly doing great, except that about 1% of households have about 50% of the stock, and it's roughly the same with other assets. Most of the rest is owned by the top 10% of the population. So sure, America is happy, and America is prosperous, if America means what the New York Times means by it. They're the narrow set of elites that they speak for and to. CW: We are curious about this potential for many-to-many communications, and the fact that software, as a way of doing things carries cultural values, and impacts language and perception. And what kind of impacts there are around having technology being developed by corporations such as Microsoft. NC: I don't think there's really any answer to that. It depends who's participating, who's active, who's influencing the direction of things, and so on. If it's being influenced and controlled by the Disney Corporation and others it will reflect their interests. If there is largely public initiative, then it will reflect public interests. CW: So it gets back to the question of taking it back. NC: That's the question. Ultimately it's a question of whether democracy's going to be allowed to exist, and to what extent. And it's entirely natural that the business world, along with the state, which they largely dominate, would want to limit democracy. It threatens them. It always has been threatening. That's why we have a huge public relations industry dedicated to, as they put it, controlling the public mind. CW: What kinds of things can people do to try to expand and reclaim democracy and the public space from corporations? NC: Well, the first thing they have to do is find out what's happening to them. So if you have none of that information, you can't do much. For example, it's impossible to oppose, say, the Multilateral Agreement on Investment, if you don't know it exists. That's the point of the secrecy. You can't oppose the specific form of globalization that's taking place, unless you understand it. You'd have to not only read the headlines which say market economy's triumphed, but you also have to read Alan Greenspan, the head of the Federal Reserve, when he's talking internally; when he says, look the health of the economy depends on a wonderful achievement that we've brought about, namely "worker insecurity." That's his term. Worker insecurity--that is not knowing if you're going to have a job tomorrow. It is a great boon for the health of the economy because it keeps wages down. It's great: it keeps profits up and wages down. Well, unless people know those things, they can't do much about them. So the first thing that has to be done is to create for ourselves, for the population, systems of interchange, interaction, and so on. Like Corporate Watch, Public Citizen, other popular groupings, which provide to the public the kinds of information and understanding, that they won't otherwise have. After that they have to struggle against it, in lots of ways which are open to them. It can be done right through pressure on Congress, or demonstrations, or creation of alternative institutions. And it should aim, in my opinion, not just at narrow questions, like preventing monopoly, but also at deeper questions, like why do private tyrannies have rights altogether? CW: What do you think about the potential of all the alternative media that's burgeoning on the Internet, given the current trends? NC: That's a matter for action, not for speculation. It's like asking 40 years ago what's the likelihood that we'd have a minimal health care system like Medicare? These things happen if people struggle for them. The business world, Microsoft, they're highly class conscious. They're basically vulgar marxists, who see themselves engaged in a bitter class struggle. Of course they're always going to be at it. The question is whether they have that field to themselves. And the deeper question is whether they should be allowed to participate; I don't think they should. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 10 13:53:25 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA26047; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:53:25 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from geocities.com (mail1.geocities.com [209.1.224.29]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA26043 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:53:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from geocities.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA27521 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35CE7D43.FA1DFD8A@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:55:31 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS APPLE Subject: Third World Class Democrazy References: <05f501bdc3ff$9ac01bc0$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hello: Last March, somewhere in the third world, the "People's Consultative Assembly (PCA)", had re-appointed their country leader. Most of those assembly members, btw, were appointed by that leader himself (to make sure that they would re-appointed him :-). Of course, the system was "dedicated to preserving the central coordinating functions of the country for the public good [tm]". So, how to solve this chicken and egg problem? Replacing the assembly first, or having a good leader first? No, I am talking about a third world class system, and not about wwTLD, I*, etc. But thank you for asking .... -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 -[Coding, Coding, Coding] 3x Raw Hide! (Qualitative Analysis Theme) * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 10 14:06:47 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id OAA26098; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:06:47 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from geocities.com (mail1.geocities.com [209.1.224.29]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA26094 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:06:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from geocities.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA01723 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35CE80A4.47A31222@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:09:56 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS APPLE Subject: Re: FW: Final Call for Participation of APTLD 11th Aug Singapore References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk laina@singnet.com.sg wrote: > To date, we have collected the support of > nearly 100 ccTLDs from all over the > world have already signatory to the WWTLD position paper. > (see http://www.apng.org/wwtld/positionpaper.html) How consistence is that list ? What method was used for verifying those ccTLDs ? > 26 country TLD holders have already signed up and more joining: > American Samoa, Australia, Bhutan, Cambodia, China, East Timor, > Fiji, French Southern Territories, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Korea, Japan, > Malaysia, Mongolia, Myanmar New Zealand, Niue, Palau, Papua New > Guinea, Philippines, Singapore, Solomon Islands, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, > Tajikistan, Thailand. Interesting ... the Indonesian TLD holder has signed .... tabe, -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 -[Coding, Coding, Coding] 3x Raw Hide! (Qualitative Analysis Theme) * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 10 22:54:58 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id WAA27296; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:54:58 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA27292 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:54:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA09556; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:57:33 -0500 Message-ID: <06e701bdc464$ce25cf40$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: Cc: , , Subject: Re: [ifwp] Re: The wwTLD organization: cartel in formation Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:43:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Michael Dillon To: IFWP Discussion List Cc: apple@apnic.net ; toru@iaj.or.jp ; info@pgmedia.net Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 1:09 AM Subject: [ifwp] Re: The wwTLD organization: cartel in formation >On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Jim Fleming wrote: > >> P.S. Imagine what would happen at this point >> if people found out that Ira Magaziner was helping >> some group "self-organize" a TLD movement. >> Would they have a right to be upset ? > >You mean, like the IFWP? >I suppose it would make some people upset to learn that Ira Magaziner >was helping the IFWP to self-organize. Some people get upset about the >oddest things. > I was under the impression that Ira Magaziner was scheduled to go to the ISOC-sponsored meeting in Geneva, long before the IFWP was invited. In fact, he and Jon Postel were showcased there. The IFWP was invited to help bring more money to the conference that was having financial problems. http://www.isoc.org/isoc/general/trustees/98-022.shtml http://www.isoc.org/isoc/general/trustees/excom-6-9-98.shtml Apparently, the influx of money from the IFWP movement helped to save the conference. The non-profit ISOC apparently avoided a disaster and got some of their most staunch opposition to finance it. Keep in mind that at the bottom of all of these activities is money. Follow the money...it tells the whole story... Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 10 23:37:05 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id XAA27402; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:37:05 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA27398 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:36:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from syr.edu (syru182-104.syr.edu [128.230.182.104]) by syr.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14255; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35CF062A.BC8A0A25@syr.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:39:38 -0400 From: Milton Mueller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" , apple@apnic.net Subject: Re: Third World Class Democrazy References: <05f501bdc3ff$9ac01bc0$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> <35CE7D43.FA1DFD8A@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk The answer is to be found not in the "leader" nor the "assembly" but in the *law*--the rules under which both operate. The laws must define an open and impartial process that can prevent abuse by either entity. Obviously this cannot work unless people are vigilant and there is a rough balance of power among the state, the society, and the various institutional players. --MM Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim wrote: > Hello: > > Last March, somewhere in the third world, the "People's > Consultative Assembly (PCA)", had re-appointed their country > leader. Most of those assembly members, btw, were appointed > by that leader himself (to make sure that they would > re-appointed him :-). Of course, the system was "dedicated > to preserving the central coordinating functions of the > country for the public good [tm]". > > So, how to solve this chicken and egg problem? Replacing the > assembly first, or having a good leader first? > > No, I am talking about a third world class system, and not > about wwTLD, I*, etc. But thank you for asking .... > > -- > Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 > -[Coding, Coding, Coding] 3x Raw Hide! (Qualitative Analysis Theme) > > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Tue Aug 11 00:24:23 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id AAA27566; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:24:23 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from axonym.axone.ch (nomino.com [193.135.167.92]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA27562 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:24:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from axone.ch ([193.135.167.84]) by axonym.axone.ch (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-36533U200L100S0) with ESMTP id AAA280; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:26:11 +0100 Message-ID: <35CF1155.C619C978@axone.ch> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:27:17 +0200 From: werner@axone.ch (Werner Staub) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [ja] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: list@ifwp.org CC: apple@apnic.net Subject: Re: [ifwp] Re: The wwTLD organization: cartel in formation References: <36698-16769@lists.interactivehq.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Jim, Your assertion that INET'98 was saved by the IFWP is utter nonsense, and the documents you linked do not support it. I have been involved in fund raising for INET'98. There had been concerns about sponsorship targets earler in the year, but this was resolved long before the White Paper and the IFWP existed. ISOC decided to organise a Names Summit as an extension to the meeting before the IFWP was announced. It subsequently decided to integrate this into the IFWP process as a way to foster consensus. No IFWP funds whatsoever were used for INET'98, but many facilities were made available free of charge to the IFWP meeting. INET'98 has sponsored the IFWP meeting, not the other way round. Werner Jim Fleming wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Dillon > To: IFWP Discussion List > Cc: apple@apnic.net ; toru@iaj.or.jp ; > info@pgmedia.net > Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 1:09 AM > Subject: [ifwp] Re: The wwTLD organization: cartel in formation > > >On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, Jim Fleming wrote: > > > >> P.S. Imagine what would happen at this point > >> if people found out that Ira Magaziner was helping > >> some group "self-organize" a TLD movement. > >> Would they have a right to be upset ? > > > >You mean, like the IFWP? > >I suppose it would make some people upset to learn that Ira Magaziner > >was helping the IFWP to self-organize. Some people get upset about the > >oddest things. > > > > I was under the impression that Ira Magaziner was > scheduled to go to the ISOC-sponsored meeting > in Geneva, long before the IFWP was invited. In > fact, he and Jon Postel were showcased there. > The IFWP was invited to help bring more money to > the conference that was having financial problems. > > http://www.isoc.org/isoc/general/trustees/98-022.shtml > http://www.isoc.org/isoc/general/trustees/excom-6-9-98.shtml > > Apparently, the influx of money from the IFWP movement > helped to save the conference. The non-profit ISOC > apparently avoided a disaster and got some of their > most staunch opposition to finance it. Keep in mind that > at the bottom of all of these activities is money. Follow > the money...it tells the whole story... > > Jim Fleming > Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com > > __________________________________________________ > To view the archive of this list, go to: > http://lists.interactivehq.org/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=ifwp > > To receive the digest version instead, send a > blank email to ifwp-digest@lists.interactivehq.org > > To SUBSCRIBE forward this message to: > subscribe-IFWP@lists.interactivehq.org > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, forward this message to: > unsubscribe-ifwp@lists.interactivehq.org > > Problems/suggestions regarding this list? Email andy@interactivehq.org. > ___END____________________________________________ * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Tue Aug 11 11:25:51 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id LAA29171; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:25:51 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from upm.edu.my (scc.upm.edu.my [202.184.17.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA29167 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:25:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from inet.upm.edu.my by scc.upm.edu.my (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11555; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:29:20 -0800 Received: from admin.upm.edu.my by inet.upm.edu.my (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00182; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:28:15 -0800 Received: from dcrocker by admin.upm.edu.my (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA08751; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:27:32 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.0.44.19980811073659.00b1ed90@mail.bayarea.net> X-Sender: dcrocker@mail.bayarea.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:38:04 +0800 To: list@ifwp.org From: Dave Crocker Subject: Re: [ifwp] Re: The wwTLD organization: cartel in formation Cc: IFWP Discussion List , apple@apnic.net In-Reply-To: <36703-15622@lists.interactivehq.org> References: <36698-16769@lists.interactivehq.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk At 05:27 PM 8/10/98 +0200, Werner Staub wrote: >Jim, >Your assertion that INET'98 was saved by the IFWP is Werner, The real question is why you, and others, continue to respond to such silliness. You only encourage more of it from such contributors. We all need to ignore these distracting messages and focus on those with serious content. d/ _________________________________________________________________________ Dave CROCKER Tel: +1 408 246 8253 BRANDENBURG CONSULTING Tel: +60 19 3299 445 675 Spruce Drive P. O. Box 296, UPM Sunnyvale, CA 94086 www.brandenburg.com Serdang, Selangor 43400 United States Fax: +1 408 273 6464 Malaysia * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Tue Aug 11 11:57:38 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id LAA29238; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:57:38 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA29234 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:57:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA10689; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:00:14 -0500 Message-ID: <08a901bdc4d2$116bdde0$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: Cc: Subject: Re: [ifwp] Re: The wwTLD organization: cartel in formation Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:45:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Werner Staub To: IFWP Discussion List Cc: apple@apnic.net Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 10:28 AM Subject: [ifwp] Re: The wwTLD organization: cartel in formation >Jim, > >Your assertion that INET'98 was saved by the IFWP is >utter nonsense, and the documents you linked do not >support it. > Note...in April they were considering cancelling the entire conference... @@@@@ http://www.isoc.org/isoc/general/trustees/98-022.shtml "Executive Committee will have another conference call Tuesday morning, 14 April 1998, 8:00am ET USA, when it will review the action items. The Executive Committee will urgently need to make a decision whether to go forward with NTW/INET'98 in Geneva, change venue to France, or cancel INET'98." @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Tue Aug 11 13:12:14 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA29473; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:12:14 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA29468 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:12:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA10755; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:14:52 -0500 Message-ID: <08b401bdc4dc$7b203740$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: , "Dave Crocker" Cc: "IFWP Discussion List" , Subject: Re: [ifwp] Re: The wwTLD organization: cartel in formation Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:59:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Dave Crocker To: list@ifwp.org Cc: IFWP Discussion List ; apple@apnic.net Date: Monday, August 10, 1998 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [ifwp] Re: The wwTLD organization: cartel in formation >At 05:27 PM 8/10/98 +0200, Werner Staub wrote: >>Jim, >>Your assertion that INET'98 was saved by the IFWP is > >Werner, > >The real question is why you, and others, continue to respond to such >silliness. > Dave, You and Werner might want to discuss Werner's comments about SAIC, the parent company that bought NSI prior to domain charging being approved by the NSF. http://www.gtld-mou.org/pab/mail-archive/00245.html Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Tue Aug 11 22:02:11 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id WAA00471; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:02:11 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from geocities.com (mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA00467 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:02:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from geocities.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA07626 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 06:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35D02F8A.133EBA37@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:48:26 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS APPLE Subject: Then, we need honest lawyers ? References: <05f501bdc3ff$9ac01bc0$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> <35CE7D43.FA1DFD8A@geocities.com> <35CF062A.BC8A0A25@syr.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Milton Mueller wrote: > The answer is to be found not in the "leader" nor the "assembly" > but in the *law* I second this! Now, we need good and honest IP laywers, am I right? PS: - An interesting eyeview report from AP-IFWP: some "senior citizens" (a.k.a. the old boys) in T-shirts still insist that "there is no problem in the Internet", meanwhile some "Men in Blacksuit" insist they know all public policies but RFC-1591, RFC-1601, and RFC-2050. regards, -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 -[Coding, Coding, Coding] 3x Raw Hide! (Qualitative Analysis Theme) * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Wed Aug 12 15:04:17 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id PAA02081; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:04:17 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from armstrong.apic.net (armstrong.apic.net [203.22.101.2]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA02077 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:04:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from boss.apic.net (boss.apic.net [203.22.102.40]) by armstrong.apic.net (8.8.7/APIC-2.1) with SMTP id QAA08570 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:06:29 +1000 (EST) X-Org: The Asia Pacific Internet Company Pty. Ltd. X-URL: http://www.apic.net/ Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980812160616.00a3a44c@mail.apic.net> X-Sender: bala@mail.apic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:06:16 +1000 To: apple@apnic.net From: Bala Pillai Subject: MY: Two Held For Internet Rumours (fw) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk >From NST, Malaysia http://www.nstpi.com.my/nstpi/homepage.nsf/(WebMaster+LookUp)/5CB47D6EF3E765 0A482564D40022F579?OpenDocument Two held under ISA over rumours Wednesday, August 12, 1998 KUALA LUMPUR, Tues. - Police today detained two people under the Internal Security Act on suspicion of spreading rumours of disturbances in the city, particularly in the Chow Kit area, through the Internet last Friday. They were picked up from two undisclosed locations by officers from the Federal police headquarters in Bukit Aman. Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Abdul Rahim Noor said a man and a woman, both Malaysians in their 20s, were held under Section 73(1) of the Act which allows police to detain them for 60 days to help in investigations. He said they were detained after police tracked their activities in the Internet with the assistance of Internet service provider Mimos Berhad, reports Bernama. "We have identified several other people suspected to be involved and will make more arrests soon to end the rumour-mongering once and for all," he said when approached by reporters at his house. Abdul Rahim also denied the rumours originated from outside. "So far our investigations have not shown any indications that the rumours originated from outside (the country) and it is proper that I make this denial so as to avoid any misunderstanding," he said. He said the police took a serious view of such rumours which grew in intensity last Friday. "They picked up the rumours which spread like wildfire throughout the country," he said. Abdul Rahim said the detection and tracking was done by studying, reviewing and investigating e-mail or electronic mail messages with the co-operation of information technology experts. "With the ISA action, we are confident of netting more people and determine the source of the rumours because the 60-day detention period is a long time." Abdul Rahim said the police were still investigating the motive of the two suspects in spreading the rumours. After investigations on the two suspects were completed, he said, the report would be sent to the Home Ministry which would decide whether they should be further detained under the ISA. The rumours of riots in Chow Kit and of impending trouble involving illegal immigrants, first circulated through the Internet, had prompted residents in the city into panic buying of provisions, among other things. On Saturday, Rahim had announced that a team comprising officers from the Federal police headquarters in Bukit Aman had been set up to investigate and trace the culprits responsible for spreading the rumours, and checking various electronic mail addresses and numbers to identify the source. Meanwhile, Indonesian Ambassador Muhammad Yacob Dasto advised Indonesian workers in Malaysia not to be influenced by the rumours as they were spread by irresponsible people. http://www.nstpi.com.my/nstpi/homepage.nsf/(WebMaster+LookUp)/5CB47D6EF3E765 0A482564D40022F579?OpenDocument bala pillai* bala@sydney.net*the asia pacific internet co, sydney O N L I N E E M P O W E R E D C O M M U N I T I E S for info send blank ph:+61 2 9419 5333 fax: + 61 2 9419 5155 * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Fri Aug 14 02:13:50 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id CAA05711; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:13:50 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id CAA05707 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:13:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from laina (qtas2456.singnet.com.sg [165.21.54.246]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA02163; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:14:36 +0800 (SGT) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 98 01:01:19 From: Laina Raveendran Greene Subject: WIPO Panel of Experts To: india-gii@cpsr.org, apia-members@apia.org, apple@apnic.net, anr-talk@anr.org, apng-all@apng.org Cc: eleazer@pacific.net.sg X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk URGENT- names needed by end of this week. (apologies for the duplicate postings) For those of you who follow the White Paper, you would have noticed under steps for the transition, item 4 reads: "ask WIPO to convene an open international process to develop a set of recommendations for trademarks issues" WIPO is taking up this recommendation and is convening an international process to develop recommedations concerning intellectual property issues associated with Internet domain names, including dispute resolution. Recommendations resulting from the WIPO Internet Domain Name Process will be made available to the new organisation that is being formed to manage the Internet domain name system. WIPO has engaged in consultations in order to constitute an internationally and sectorally representative panel of experts to provide assistance for the WIPO Internet Domain Name Process. WIPO is requesting that the Asia PAcific region nominate two members to this panel. If you have suggestions, please pass them to Eleazer, Executive Secretary of APIA, and she will compile names on a plurality of nominations basis. We hope that two names will arise out of this process. Thank you for the participation. We will announce the names, before handing them in. This information is needed ASAP, so please send the names in by this weekend. The only prerequisites are 1) knowledgeable of Intellectual Property law, and/or 2) Knowledgeable of Internet domain name issues ans most importantly, well respected by the region. Thank you. REgards, Laina Raveendran Greene PS For more information about the WIPO process, please refer to http://wipo2.wipo.int PPS For your information, APIA has been in the past active in this process, and has represented the view of APIA members to WIPO (September 1997) ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 14/08/98 Time: 01:01:19 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Fri Aug 14 15:10:52 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id PAA07154; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:10:52 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from mail.ksc.net.th (charm@mail.ksc.net.th [203.155.35.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA07150 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:10:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost by mail.ksc.net.th (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA21758; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:12:43 +0700 (ICT) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:12:43 +0700 (ICT) From: "Prof.Dr. Srisakdi Charmonman" To: apai-members@list.nuri.net cc: india-gii@cpsr.org, apia-members@apia.org, apple@apnic.net, anr-talk@anr.org, apng-all@apng.org, eleazer@pacific.net.sg Subject: Re: [APIA-MEMBERS] WIPO Panel of Experts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Dear All, I happen to have some experience on the subject, e.g. having served as: - Member of the Copyright Committee of the Ministry of Education - Chairman of the Subcommittee to draft the computer-related part of the copyright law in Thailand - Deputy Chairman of the Extrordinary Commission on Copyright Law of the House of Representatives of Thailand - Member of the Extraordinary Commission on Copyright Law of the Senate of Thailand - Co-Author of the Proposed Internet Promotion Act of Thailand - President of the Internet Society of Thailand with over 20,000 members. Also, - President of Thailand Chapter of the ACM (Association for Computing Mechinery, oldest and largest computer society in the world) - President of Thailand Chapter of the Computer Society of the IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers) - Member of the General Assembly of IFIPS (International Federation of Informatin Processing Societies) - Asian Computer Man of the Year 1981 selected by Asia Computer Magazine in Hong Kong - Executive Committee of APNIC - An individual member of APIA. and so, shall be very glad to participate. Best regards, Srisakdi On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, Laina Raveendran Greene wrote: > > URGENT- names needed by end of this week. (apologies for the duplicate postings) > > For those of you who follow the White Paper, you would have noticed under steps for the > transition, item 4 reads: > > "ask WIPO to convene an open international process to develop a set of recommendations for > trademarks issues" > > WIPO is taking up this recommendation and is convening an international process to develop > recommedations concerning intellectual property issues associated with Internet domain > names, including dispute resolution. Recommendations resulting from the WIPO Internet Domain > Name Process will be made available to the new organisation that is being formed to manage > the Internet domain name system. > > WIPO has engaged in consultations in order to constitute an internationally and sectorally > representative panel of experts to provide assistance for the WIPO Internet Domain Name > Process. > > WIPO is requesting that the Asia PAcific region nominate two members to this panel. If you > have suggestions, please pass them to Eleazer, Executive Secretary of APIA, and she will > compile names on a plurality of nominations basis. We hope that two names will arise out of > this process. > > Thank you for the participation. We will announce the names, before handing them in. This > information is needed ASAP, so please send the names in by this weekend. The only > prerequisites are 1) knowledgeable of Intellectual Property law, and/or 2) Knowledgeable of > Internet domain name issues ans most importantly, well respected by the region. > > Thank you. > REgards, > > Laina Raveendran Greene > > PS For more information about the WIPO process, please refer to http://wipo2.wipo.int > PPS For your information, APIA has been in the past active in this process, and has > represented the view of APIA members to WIPO (September 1997) > > ------------------------------------- > Name: Laina Raveendran Greene > E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg > Date: 14/08/98 > Time: 01:01:19 > > This message was sent by Chameleon > ------------------------------------- > > > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Fri Aug 14 20:09:14 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id UAA07664; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 20:09:14 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (zinc.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.31]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA07660 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 20:09:07 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas0816.singnet.com.sg [165.21.57.206]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA11725 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:11:49 +0800 (SGT) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 98 19:13:21 Subject: FW: WIPO nominations To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk From: "eleazer" To: "anr-talk" , "apia-members" , "apng-all" , "apnic-all" , "apnic-talk" , "APPLe" , "IFWP-AP attendees" Subject: Fw: WIPO Panel of Experts Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:01:04 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Nominations received to date are as follows :- No. 1 Nominee: Roger Hicks, Clear Communications, NZ; Director APIA Proposed by : Laina Raveendran Greene, Singapore No. 2 Nominee: Laina Raveendran Greene, GetIT Pte Ltd, Singapore Proposed by : Nobert Klein, Cambodia No. 3 Nominee: James Lee, Kent Ridge Digital Labs, Singapore Proposed by : Self No. 4 Nominee: Rajesh Sreenavasan, Rajah & Tan, Singapore Proposed by : Lau Joon Nie, Singapore No. 5 Nominee: Gilbert Leong, Legal Officer, Singapore Proposed by : Lau Joon Nie, Singapore No. 6 Nominee: Charles Lim, Attoney General Chamber, Singapore Proposed by : Lau Joon Nie, Singapore No. 7 Nominee: Professor Dr Srisakdi Charmonman, APNIC Council, Thailand Proposed by: self No. 8 Nominee: Shariya Haniz Zulkifli, MIMOS, Malaysia Proposed by Laina Raveendran Greene No. 9 Nominee: Patrick Fair, Philips Fox Lawyers, Australia Proposed by : Erika Roberts, Australia No. 10 Nominee: Patrick J O'Brien, Domainz, NZ Proposed by Laina Raveendran Greene No. 11 Nominee: Tan Tin Wee, NUS, Singapore Proposed by: Laina Raveendran Greene Please send in your support for 2 candidates and if youi have other nominations, please provide seconders and support if possible, by Monday, 17 Aug 98 noon. Thank you. Regards eleazer apia secretariat apia-sec@apia.org www.apia.org tel: (65) 834 2960 fax: (65) 836 2516 > >URGENT- names needed by end of this week. (apologies for the duplicate postings) > >For those of you who follow the White Paper, you would have noticed under steps for the >transition, item 4 reads: > >"ask WIPO to convene an open international process to develop a set of recommendations for >trademarks issues" > >WIPO is taking up this recommendation and is convening an international process to develop >recommedations concerning intellectual property issues associated with Internet domain >names, including dispute resolution. Recommendations resulting from the WIPO Internet Domain >Name Process will be made available to the new organisation that is being formed to manage >the Internet domain name system. > >WIPO has engaged in consultations in order to constitute an internationally and sectorally >representative panel of experts to provide assistance for the WIPO Internet Domain Name >Process. > >WIPO is requesting that the Asia PAcific region nominate two members to this panel. If you >have suggestions, please pass them to Eleazer, Executive Secretary of APIA, and she will >compile names on a plurality of nominations basis. We hope that two names will arise out of >this process. > >Thank you for the participation. We will announce the names, before handing them in. This >information is needed ASAP, so please send the names in by this weekend. The only >prerequisites are 1) knowledgeable of Intellectual Property law, and/or 2) Knowledgeable of >Internet domain name issues ans most importantly, well respected by the region. > >Thank you. >REgards, > >Laina Raveendran Greene > >PS For more information about the WIPO process, please refer to http://wipo2.wipo.int >PPS For your information, APIA has been in the past active in this process, and has >represented the view of APIA members to WIPO (September 1997) > >------------------------------------- > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 14/08/98 Time: 19:13:21 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sat Aug 15 00:23:22 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id AAA07991; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 00:23:22 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from iron.singnet.com.sg (iron.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.29]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA07987 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 00:23:17 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas2739.singnet.com.sg [165.21.55.169]) by iron.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA10352; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:25:55 +0800 (SGT) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 98 23:07:59 Subject: my observations- AP-IFWP meeting To: apple@apnic.net, ifwp-discuss@ifwp.org X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Yesterday was the last day of the Asia Pacific International Forum on the White Paper meeting. There were about 150 participants, mainly from the US. While this meeting may not have appeared to produce the kind of concensus documents as they did in Reston, and Geneva, from my opinion what was key was the fact that many people in the US were hearing developing countries and Asian views for the first time. Half way through the meeting, having had informational sessions and having heared from the key stakeholders in the US, the developing country and AP participants got together over lunch to dicsuss issues of concern to them. After this lunch, when the delegates resumed for the Plenary, the front row seats were reserved for the developing country and AP participants, and they were able to speak up. Rather than have them line up behind a microphone to speak (which is neither in most of their cultures and is a little intimidating), the mic was passed around to the delegates in the front row. It was VERY interesting to hear the views of China, Papua New Guinea, Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia, Taiwan, Korea, etc etc. The meeting was a great demonstration of the need to accomodate and be patient with cross cultural issues. Many in this region felt it was too early for them to develop concensus points since some were hearing the issues for the first time. Others were key stakeholders too busy crisis managing, introducing Internet for the first time, etc to have time to dedicate to follow the tons of e-mail over these issues. Others were concerned that issues did not consider developing country interest- therefore regional representation was important. Some others were concerned about the fact that disqualifying governments on the Board, may disqualify a lot of "private sector" from this region, which by culture and definition has heavy government involvement, most ccTLDs NICs especially. Having their input itself was very useful. If the IFWP stands for inclusiveness and openess, then certainly many more new voices were heared for the first time. There was not however enough regional representation given the brief notice people had for this meeting, and there was a talk of the need to mobilise the region even greater to ensure we have a voice in the process. The new IANA will greatly impact this region, and we need to make sure we are not ignored. The concern was therefore how will this input be considered in the IFWP process. Interestingly the Europeans found they had much in common with some views expressed, and some exchange here will be beneficial indeed. At the end of the day, there were those US and in-the-know players that were upset that more was not done, while there were others who were open enough to acknowledge that the key success was the hearing of new voices. Luckily there was many of the latter around, for us to feel that the Singapore meeting did fulfill some key objectives. The next regional meeitng will be in Buenos Aires, and I think that the representatives from that region who were at our meeting were encouraged by the process. They too have their region of wide interests, and with some players just catching up with the game. I would strongly encourage key stakeholders who want the process to have legitimacy, to go to that meeting and LISTEN to what people there have to say. The regional meetings are a good informational meeting, but more importantly, a great source of input into this process. A good listening ear will certainly help the process gain legitimacy. Just some thoughts I thought I would share. The transcripts and documents I was told will be out by next week. So look out for it at either the www.ifwp.org website or the www.apia.org website. Regards, Laina RG ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 14/08/98 Time: 23:07:59 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sat Aug 15 11:32:11 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id LAA09090; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:32:11 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from iron.singnet.com.sg (iron.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.29]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA09086; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:32:06 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas1734.singnet.com.sg [165.21.53.44]) by iron.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA26316; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 10:34:40 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 98 10:32:11 Subject: RE: Fw: WIPO Panel of Experts To: anr-talk , apia-members , apng-all , apnic-all , apnic-talk , APPLe , IFWP-AP attendees , eleazer X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Since it is the weekend Eleazer, and you may not have the opportunity to update, I would like to add two more names that were sent to me: No. 12 Nominee : Dr. Liu Ching-Yi,TamKang University, Taiwan Proposer: Kuo-Wei Wu, Taiwan No. 13 Nominee: Tan Tee Jim, Allen & Geldhill, Singapore Proposer:Ang Peng Hwa, Singapore Regards, Laina RG --- On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:01:04 +0800 eleazer wrote: Nominations received to date are as follows :- No. 1 Nominee: Roger Hicks, Clear Communications, NZ; Director APIA Proposed by : Laina Raveendran Greene, Singapore No. 2 Nominee: Laina Raveendran Greene, GetIT Pte Ltd, Singapore Proposed by : Nobert Klein, Cambodia No. 3 Nominee: James Lee, Kent Ridge Digital Labs, Singapore Proposed by : Self No. 4 Nominee: Rajesh Sreenavasan, Rajah & Tan, Singapore Proposed by : Lau Joon Nie, Singapore No. 5 Nominee: Gilbert Leong, Legal Officer, Singapore Proposed by : Lau Joon Nie, Singapore No. 6 Nominee: Charles Lim, Attoney General Chamber, Singapore Proposed by : Lau Joon Nie, Singapore No. 7 Nominee: Professor Dr Srisakdi Charmonman, APNIC Council, Thailand Proposed by: self No. 8 Nominee: Shariya Haniz Zulkifli, MIMOS, Malaysia Proposed by Laina Raveendran Greene No. 9 Nominee: Patrick Fair, Philips Fox Lawyers, Australia Proposed by : Erika Roberts, Australia No. 10 Nominee: Patrick J O'Brien, Domainz, NZ Proposed by Laina Raveendran Greene No. 11 Nominee: Tan Tin Wee, NUS, Singapore Proposed by: Laina Raveendran Greene Please send in your support for 2 candidates and if youi have other nominations, please provide seconders and support if possible, by Monday, 17 Aug 98 noon. Thank you. Regards eleazer apia secretariat apia-sec@apia.org www.apia.org tel: (65) 834 2960 fax: (65) 836 2516 > >URGENT- names needed by end of this week. (apologies for the duplicate postings) > >For those of you who follow the White Paper, you would have noticed under steps for the >transition, item 4 reads: > >"ask WIPO to convene an open international process to develop a set of recommendations for >trademarks issues" > >WIPO is taking up this recommendation and is convening an international process to develop >recommedations concerning intellectual property issues associated with Internet domain >names, including dispute resolution. Recommendations resulting from the WIPO Internet Domain >Name Process will be made available to the new organisation that is being formed to manage >the Internet domain name system. > >WIPO has engaged in consultations in order to constitute an internationally and sectorally >representative panel of experts to provide assistance for the WIPO Internet Domain Name >Process. > >WIPO is requesting that the Asia PAcific region nominate two members to this panel. If you >have suggestions, please pass them to Eleazer, Executive Secretary of APIA, and she will >compile names on a plurality of nominations basis. We hope that two names will arise out of >this process. > >Thank you for the participation. We will announce the names, before handing them in. This >information is needed ASAP, so please send the names in by this weekend. The only >prerequisites are 1) knowledgeable of Intellectual Property law, and/or 2) Knowledgeable of >Internet domain name issues ans most importantly, well respected by the region. > >Thank you. >REgards, > >Laina Raveendran Greene > >PS For more information about the WIPO process, please refer to http://wipo2.wipo.int >PPS For your information, APIA has been in the past active in this process, and has >represented the view of APIA members to WIPO (September 1997) > >------------------------------------- > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 15/08/98 Time: 10:32:11 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sat Aug 15 19:52:33 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id TAA09790; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:52:33 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (zinc.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.31]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA09786 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:52:28 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas2139.singnet.com.sg [165.21.54.49]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA06916 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:55:15 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 98 18:57:08 Subject: FW: BOUNCE apple@postoffice.apnic.net: Non-member submission from ["eleazer" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk From: "eleazer" To: "Laina Greene" , "anr-talk" , "apia-members" , "apng-all" , "apnic-all" , "apnic-talk" , "APPLe" , "IFWP-AP attendees" Subject: Re: Fw: WIPO Panel of Experts Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 04:25:22 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 UPDATE OF NOMINATIONS AS OF 15 AUG 98 RE: WIPO Panel of Experts =================== Deadline for nominations : Monday, noon, 17 Aug 98 (Singapore's time) Nominations received to date = 14 No. 1 Nominee: Roger Hicks, Clear Communications, NZ; Director APIA Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene, Singapore Seconder: Milton Mueller No. 2 Nominee: Laina Raveendran Greene, GetIT Pte Ltd, Singapore Proposer: Nobert Klein, Cambodia Seconder: Wynthia Goh No. 3 Nominee: James Lee, Kent Ridge Digital Labs, Singapore Proposer: Self No. 4 Nominee: Rajesh Sreenavasan, Rajah & Tan, Singapore Proposer: Lau Joon Nie, Singapore Seconder: Wynthia Goh No. 5 Nominee: Gilbert Leong, Legal Officer, Singapore Proposer: Lau Joon Nie, Singapore No. 6 Nominee: Charles Lim, Attoney General Chamber, Singapore Proposer : Lau Joon Nie, Singapore No. 7 Nominee: Professor Dr Srisakdi Charmonman, APNIC Council, Thailand Proposer: Self No. 8 Nominee: Shariya Haniz Zulkifli, MIMOS, Malaysia Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene No. 9 Nominee: Patrick Fair, Philips Fox Lawyers, Australia Proposer: Erika Roberts, Australia No.10 Nominee: Patrick J O'Brien, Domainz, NZ Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene No.11 Nominee: Tan Tin Wee, NUS, Singapore Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene No.12 Nomnee : Dr. Liu Ching-Yi,TamKang University, Taiwan Proposer: Kuo-Wei Wu, Taiwan Seconder: Milton Mueller No. 13 Nominee: Tan Tee Jim, Allen & Gledhill, Singapore Proposer: Ang Peng Hwa, Singapore No.14 Nominee: Gabriel Accascina, Programme Manager/Regional Coordinator of APDIP Proposer: Ramita Sharma ======== >Please send in your support for 2 candidates and if youi have other >nominations, please provide seconders and support if possible, by Monday, 17 >Aug 98 noon. > >Thank you. > >Regards > eleazer >apia secretariat >apia-sec@apia.org >www.apia.org >tel: (65) 834 2960 >fax: (65) 836 2516 > >> >>URGENT- names needed by end of this week. (apologies for the duplicate >postings) >> >>For those of you who follow the White Paper, you would have noticed under >steps for the >>transition, item 4 reads: >> >>"ask WIPO to convene an open international process to develop a set of >recommendations for >>trademarks issues" >> >>WIPO is taking up this recommendation and is convening an international >process to develop >>recommedations concerning intellectual property issues associated with >Internet domain >>names, including dispute resolution. Recommendations resulting from the >WIPO Internet Domain >>Name Process will be made available to the new organisation that is being >formed to manage >>the Internet domain name system. >> >>WIPO has engaged in consultations in order to constitute an internationally >and sectorally >>representative panel of experts to provide assistance for the WIPO Internet >Domain Name >>Process. >> >>WIPO is requesting that the Asia PAcific region nominate two members to >this panel. If you >>have suggestions, please pass them to Eleazer, Executive Secretary of APIA, >and she will >>compile names on a plurality of nominations basis. We hope that two names >will arise out of >>this process. >> >>Thank you for the participation. We will announce the names, before handing >them in. This >>information is needed ASAP, so please send the names in by this weekend. >The only >>prerequisites are 1) knowledgeable of Intellectual Property law, and/or 2) >Knowledgeable of >>Internet domain name issues ans most importantly, well respected by the >region. >> >>Thank you. >>REgards, >> >>Laina Raveendran Greene >> >>PS For more information about the WIPO process, please refer to >http://wipo2.wipo.int >>PPS For your information, APIA has been in the past active in this process, >and has >>represented the view of APIA members to WIPO (September 1997) >> >>------------------------------------- >> > >-----------------End of Original Message----------------- > >------------------------------------- >Name: Laina Raveendran Greene >E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg >Date: 15/08/98 >Time: 10:32:11 > >This message was sent by Chameleon >------------------------------------- > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 15/08/98 Time: 18:57:08 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sun Aug 16 08:21:19 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id IAA11386; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:21:19 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from iron.singnet.com.sg (iron.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.29]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA11382 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:21:13 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas0118.singnet.com.sg [165.21.56.28]) by iron.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA24924 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 07:23:55 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 98 07:24:46 Subject: Forward- updated nominations To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Please send your vote of support to eleazer@pacific.net.sg and not to me. Thanks. From: "eleazer" To: "Laina Greene" , "anr-talk" , "apia-members" , "apng-all" , "apnic-all" , "apnic-talk" , "APPLe" , "IFWP-AP attendees" Subject: WIPO Panel of Experts - NOMINATIONS UPDATE Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 00:01:06 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 2ND UPDATE OF NOMINATIONS AS OF 15 AUG 98 RE: WIPO Panel of Experts ===================== Deadline for nominations : Monday, noon, 17 Aug 98 (Singapore's time) Nominations received now = 16 No. 1 Nominee: Roger Hicks, Clear Communications, NZ; Director APIA Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene, Singapore Seconder: Milton Mueller No. 2 Nominee: Laina Raveendran Greene, GetIT Pte Ltd, Singapore Proposer: Nobert Klein, Cambodia Seconder: Wynthia Goh No. 3 Nominee: James Lee, Kent Ridge Digital Labs, Singapore Proposer: Self No. 4 Nominee: Rajesh Sreenavasan, Rajah & Tan, Singapore Proposer: Lau Joon Nie, Singapore Seconder: Wynthia Goh No. 5 Nominee: Gilbert Leong, Legal Officer, Singapore Proposer: Lau Joon Nie, Singapore No. 6 Nominee: Charles Lim, Attoney General Chamber, Singapore Proposer : Lau Joon Nie, Singapore No. 7 Nominee: Professor Dr Srisakdi Charmonman, APNIC Council, Thailand Proposer: Self No. 8 Nominee: Shariya Haniz Zulkifli, MIMOS, Malaysia Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene No. 9 Nominee: Patrick Fair, Philips Fox Lawyers, Australia Proposer: Erika Roberts, Australia No.10 Nominee: Patrick J O'Brien, Domainz, NZ Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene Seconder: Kanchana Kanchanasut No.11 Nominee: Tan Tin Wee, NUS, Singapore Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene Seconder: Kanchana Kanchanasut No.12 Nomnee : Dr. Liu Ching-Yi,TamKang University, Taiwan Proposer: Kuo-Wei Wu, Taiwan Seconder: Milton Mueller No.13 Nominee: Tan Tee Jim, Allen & Gledhill, Singapore Proposer: Ang Peng Hwa, Singapore No.14 Nominee: Gabriel Accascina, Programme Manager/Regional Coordinator of APDIP Proposer: Ramita Sharma No. 15 Nominee: Dr Ching-chun Hsieh, Research fellow of the Institute of Information, Science, Academia Sinica Proposer: Dr Simon Lin No. 16 Nominee: Dr Paul Liu, Prof.,Grauate Institute of Technology and Innovation Management, National Chengchi University Proposer: Dr Simon Lin ======== >>Please send in your support for 2 candidates and if youi have other >>nominations, please provide seconders and support if possible, by Monday, >17 >>Aug 98 noon. >> >>Thank you. >> >>Regards >> eleazer >>apia secretariat >>apia-sec@apia.org >>www.apia.org >>tel: (65) 834 2960 >>fax: (65) 836 2516 >> >>> >>>URGENT- names needed by end of this week. (apologies for the duplicate >>postings) >>> >>>For those of you who follow the White Paper, you would have noticed under >>steps for the >>>transition, item 4 reads: >>> >>>"ask WIPO to convene an open international process to develop a set of >>recommendations for >>>trademarks issues" >>> >>>WIPO is taking up this recommendation and is convening an international >>process to develop >>>recommedations concerning intellectual property issues associated with >>Internet domain >>>names, including dispute resolution. Recommendations resulting from the >>WIPO Internet Domain >>>Name Process will be made available to the new organisation that is being >>formed to manage >>>the Internet domain name system. >>> >>>WIPO has engaged in consultations in order to constitute an >internationally >>and sectorally >>>representative panel of experts to provide assistance for the WIPO >Internet >>Domain Name >>>Process. >>> >>>WIPO is requesting that the Asia PAcific region nominate two members to >>this panel. If you >>>have suggestions, please pass them to Eleazer, Executive Secretary of >APIA, >>and she will >>>compile names on a plurality of nominations basis. We hope that two names >>will arise out of >>>this process. >>> >>>Thank you for the participation. We will announce the names, before >handing >>them in. This >>>information is needed ASAP, so please send the names in by this weekend. >>The only >>>prerequisites are 1) knowledgeable of Intellectual Property law, and/or 2) >>Knowledgeable of >>>Internet domain name issues ans most importantly, well respected by the >>region. >>> >>>Thank you. >>>REgards, >>> >>>Laina Raveendran Greene >>> >>>PS For more information about the WIPO process, please refer to >>http://wipo2.wipo.int >>>PPS For your information, APIA has been in the past active in this >process, >>and has >>>represented the view of APIA members to WIPO (September 1997) >>> >>>------------------------------------- >>> >> >>-----------------End of Original Message----------------- >> >>------------------------------------- >>Name: Laina Raveendran Greene >>E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg >>Date: 15/08/98 >>Time: 10:32:11 >> >>This message was sent by Chameleon >>------------------------------------- >> > > > > > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 16/08/98 Time: 07:24:46 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sun Aug 16 21:06:56 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id UAA21266; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:58:59 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA21070; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:54:52 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas2016.singnet.com.sg [165.21.53.206]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA11202; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:57:35 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 98 19:53:03 Subject: FW: [ifwp] WIPO Panel of Experts To: apng-all@apng.org, apple@apnic.net, apnic-talk@apnic.net, apia-members@apia.org, anr-talk@anr.org, tinwee@pobox.org.sg X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk FYI, to help you assess the candidate... a more neutral and balance person will help as indicated below. Lawyers representing only trademark holders may appear to be bias. Lawyers who have handled both sides, are of course able to see both sides, or those representing the needs of the industry and developing countries (concern for scalability of domain names for developing countries, if new names are blocked out for "famous marks" and on a trademark basis alone.)_ For your information, as well, the IFWP process achieved concensus that there can be concurrent rights to a domain name, i.e. those that are not trademark based can also have legitimate rights to a name. --- On Sun, 16 Aug 1998 06:13:15 -0400 Jay Fenello wrote: At 01:01 AM 8/14/98, Laina Raveendran Greene wrote: >WIPO has engaged in consultations in order to constitute >an internationally and sectorally representative panel of >experts to provide assistance for the WIPO Internet Domain >Name Process. > >WIPO is requesting that the Asia PAcific region nominate >two members to this panel. While I support the goal of an "internationally and sectorally representative panel of experts to provide assistance for the WIPO Internet Domain Name Process," I am concerned with the procedural implications of the statement above. One of the recurring concerns over WIPO assuming responsibility over the Trademark/Domain Name controversy is its natural bias towards Trademark owners. In order for any WIPO commissioned study to be considered credible and comprehensive, it must include non-traditional Trademark/Domain Name interests on this panel. So while it would appear that WIPO is actively soliciting regional representatives, I am *not* aware of WIPO asking the community at large for any other recommendations. To address this oversight, I would like to suggest the following people and organizations be considered for membership on your Expert Panel: The Domain Name Rights Coalition Mikki Barri Howard Feld Kathryn Kleiman The Cato Institute/Syracuse University Dr. Milton Mueller Network Solutions Each of these organizations have been involved in the DNS debate for quite some time, and each have public policy, academic, and real world experience (respectively) to add depth to your panel. Regards, Jay Fenello President, Iperdome, Inc. 404-250-3242 http://www.iperdome.com __________________________________________________ To view the archive of this list, go to: http://lists.interactivehq.org/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=ifwp To receive the digest version instead, send a blank email to ifwp-digest@lists.interactivehq.org To SUBSCRIBE forward this message to: subscribe-IFWP@lists.interactivehq.org To UNSUBSCRIBE, forward this message to: unsubscribe-ifwp@lists.interactivehq.org Problems/suggestions regarding this list? Email andy@interactivehq.org. ___END____________________________________________ -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 16/08/98 Time: 19:53:03 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sun Aug 16 21:13:15 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id VAA21399; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:13:15 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA21395 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:13:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA29412; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 07:15:56 -0500 Message-ID: <09aa01bdc90c$ec3308c0$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: , Cc: Subject: IANA == ISOC == POC ??? Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 06:56:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Laina, Are you saying that Stuart Levi of IAHC fame is doing the legal work for the IANA ? Is this the Stuart Levi from New York, the one that represents the ISOC and the POC ? @@@@ http://www.isoc.org/isoc/general/trustees/resltn.shtml "Resolution 97-28 ISOC General Counsel RESOLVED, to accept Mr Stuart D. Levi, Esq., of the law form Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP, to be the Internet Society General Counsel." ... Resolution 97-40 General Counsel Waiver RESOLVED, that the Internet Society waive any potential conflict of interest with regard to the Society's General Counsel, Skadden, Arps Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP, and Mr Stuart D. Levi Esq., also providing legal services to the Policy Oversight Committee." @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ -----Original Message----- From: laina@singnet.com.sg To: IFWP Discussion List Date: Sunday, August 16, 1998 7:01 AM Subject: [ifwp] Re: Singapore > >IANA was represented through the lawyer that drafted up the bylaws, Mr >Levvi. Zita was also there, and others such as Randy from ITAG although he >said he did not rep IANA. > >Laina RG > >--- On Sun, 16 Aug 1998 06:23:47 -0500 Jim Fleming >wrote: > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mikki Barry > >> >>I'd like to echo Laina's sentiments. I was very encouraged by the >willingness >>of the lawyers involved with many disparate issues to actually sit down and >>work out a lot of the problems that they and their clients had in talking >>about the structure of the new corporation. I was especially happy to hear >>both IANA and NSI's cooperation regarding their drafts and how they >solicited >>input to create consensus. >> >>I think a lot was accomplished. >> > > >Who represented the IANA draft ? > > >Jim Fleming >Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com > > Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sun Aug 16 22:12:48 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id WAA21494; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:12:48 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA21490 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:12:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA29525; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:15:25 -0500 Message-ID: <09dd01bdc915$399675e0$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: Cc: , "IFWP ORG" , Subject: IANA (and ISOC) in Singapore Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 07:56:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Laina, Is this an accurate summary of the IANA (and ISOC) people that were in Singapore ? IANA Zita Wenzel - USC/ISI http://www.ietf.org/meetings/attendees_chic.txt Stuart Levi, Esq. (also the attorney for the ISOC and POC) http://www.isoc.org/isoc/general/trustees/resltn.shtml IANA's ITAG Randy Bush - Verio Dave Farber - Univ. of Penn. (Jon Postel's Thesis Advisor) John Klensin - MCI (Vinton Cerf's employer) ISOC Don Heath - CEO ISOC - (formerly of MCI) Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sun Aug 16 22:48:16 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id WAA21547; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:48:16 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA21543 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:48:11 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas1634.singnet.com.sg [165.21.52.224]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA29706; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:50:51 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 98 21:52:21 Subject: RE: IANA (and ISOC) in Singapore To: laina@singnet.com.sg, Jim Fleming Cc: DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET, IFWP ORG , apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk I believe the list of participants are up on the site. I did not check it. --- On Sun, 16 Aug 1998 07:56:01 -0500 Jim Fleming wrote: Laina, Is this an accurate summary of the IANA (and ISOC) people that were in Singapore ? IANA Zita Wenzel - USC/ISI http://www.ietf.org/meetings/attendees_chic.txt Stuart Levi, Esq. (also the attorney for the ISOC and POC) http://www.isoc.org/isoc/general/trustees/resltn.shtml IANA's ITAG Randy Bush - Verio Dave Farber - Univ. of Penn. (Jon Postel's Thesis Advisor) John Klensin - MCI (Vinton Cerf's employer) ISOC Don Heath - CEO ISOC - (formerly of MCI) Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 16/08/98 Time: 21:52:21 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 17 00:47:25 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id AAA21677; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 00:47:25 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA21673 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 00:47:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA29711; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:49:56 -0500 Message-ID: <0a3601bdc92a$c9a22ca0$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: "IFWP Discussion List" Cc: Subject: Re: [ifwp] Re: new iana draft bylaws Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:30:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Michael Dillon > >So did anyone discuss my proposal for a Commercial Council that would >represent ISP and other commercial interests? > I heard that the BIG INTEREST was in IPv6. This should come as no surprise. The people in that region have been badly treated from an IP allocation point of view. Some of them do not have the financial resources needed to pay huge sums for IP allocations. They watched that money being misused, all under the watchful eye of Jon Postel and the so-called IANA. The IANA has not done them any favors. Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 17 03:59:13 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id DAA21920; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 03:59:13 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from info.isoc.org (info.isoc.org [198.6.250.9]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id DAA21913 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 03:59:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from newlatitude.isoc.org (slip129-37-191-26.mn.us.ibm.net [129.37.191.26]) by info.isoc.org (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id PAA15021; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980816145226.01475800@pop.isoc.org> X-Sender: heath@pop.isoc.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:52:26 -0400 To: laina@singnet.com.sg, apple@apnic.net, ifwp-discuss@ifwp.org From: Don Heath Subject: Re: my observations- AP-IFWP meeting In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk At 11:07 PM 8/14/98, laina@singnet.com.sg wrote: > >Yesterday was the last day of the Asia Pacific International Forum on the White Paper >meeting. There were about 150 participants, mainly from the US. While this meeting may not >have appeared to produce the kind of concensus documents as they did in Reston, and Geneva, >from my opinion what was key was the fact that many people in the US were hearing developing >countries and Asian views for the first time. Thanks for this note Laina. I thought the IFWP-AP meeting was at least as valuable as the previous meetings and is another step in finally concluding this sometimes brutal process at reaching international consensus. Best wishes, Don * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 17 10:43:17 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id KAA22530; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:43:17 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (zinc.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.31]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA22526 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:43:11 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas2054.singnet.com.sg [165.21.53.244]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA25800 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:45:52 +0800 (SGT) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 98 09:47:30 Subject: nominations update To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk From: "eleazer" To: "Laina Greene" , "anr-talk" , "apia-members" , "apng-all" , "apnic-all" , "apnic-talk" , "APPLe" , "IFWP-AP attendees" Subject: Fw: [APIA-MEMBERS] WIPO Panel of Experts - NOMINATIONS UPDATE Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 00:24:38 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BDC975.6B900880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BDC975.6B900880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 4th UPDATE OF NOMINATIONS AS OF 16 AUG 98 RE: WIPO Panel of Experts =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Deadline for nominations : Monday, noon, 17 Aug 98 (Singapore's time) Nominations received now =3D 18 No. 1 Nominee: Roger Hicks, Clear Communications, NZ; Director APIA Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene, Singapore Seconder1: Milton Mueller Seconder2: Mathias Koerber No. 2 Nominee: Laina Raveendran Greene, GetIT Pte Ltd, Singapore Proposer: Nobert Klein, Cambodia Seconder: Wynthia Goh No. 3 Nominee: James Lee, Kent Ridge Digital Labs, Singapore Proposer: Self No. 4 Nominee: Rajesh Sreenavasan, Rajah & Tan, Singapore Proposer: Lau Joon Nie, Singapore Seconder: Wynthia Goh No. 5 Nominee: Gilbert Leong, Legal Officer, Singapore Proposer: Lau Joon Nie, Singapore Seconder: Mathias Koerber No. 6 Nominee: Charles Lim, Attoney General Chamber, Singapore Proposer : Lau Joon Nie, Singapore No. 7 Nominee: Professor Dr Srisakdi Charmonman, APNIC Council, = Thailand Proposer: Self No. 8 Nominee: Shariya Haniz Zulkifli, MIMOS, Malaysia Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene No. 9 Nominee: Patrick Fair, Philips Fox Lawyers, Australia Proposer: Erika Roberts, Australia No.10 Nominee: Patrick J O'Brien, Domainz, NZ Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene Seconder: Kanchana Kanchanasut No.11 Nominee: Tan Tin Wee, NUS, Singapore Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene Seconder: Kanchana Kanchanasut No.12 Nominee : Dr. Liu Ching-Yi,TamKang University, Taiwan Proposer: Kuo-Wei Wu, Taiwan Seconder1: Milton Mueller Seconder2: Ramin Marzbani No.13 Nominee: Tan Tee Jim, Allen & Gledhill, Singapore Proposer: Ang Peng Hwa, Singapore No.14 Nominee: Gabriel Accascina, Programme Manager/Regional = Coordinator of APDIP Proposer: Ramita Sharma No. 15 Nominee: Dr Ching-chun Hsieh, Research fellow of the Institute of Information, Science, Academia Sinica Proposer: Dr Simon Lin No. 16 Nominee: Dr Paul Liu, Prof.,Grauate Institute of Technology and Innovation Management, National Chengchi University Proposer: Dr Simon Lin No. 17 Nominee: Peter Dengate Thrush, patent attorney, now = barrister-sole, specialising in intellectual property matters, NZ Proposer: Jim Higgins, President of the Internet = Society of NZ No. 18 Nominee: Harish Pillay, Brokat Asia, Singapore Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene Regards, Eleazer Chia Asia & Pacific Internet Association (APIA) APIA Secretariat email: apia-sec@apia.org url: http://www.apia.org tel: +65 834-2960 fax: +65 836-2516 promoting the common business interests of the region's internet-related = service industry ~~~ A forum for dialogue, a channel for input ~~~ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D >>>Please send in your support for 2 candidates and if you have other >>>nominations, please provide seconders and support if possible, by = Monday, >>17 >>>Aug 98 noon. >>> >>>Thank you. >>> >>>Regards >>> eleazer >>>apia secretariat >>>apia-sec@apia.org >>>www.apia.org >>>tel: (65) 834 2960 >>>fax: (65) 836 2516 >>> >>>> >>>>URGENT- names needed by end of this week. (apologies for the = duplicate >>>postings) >>>> >>>>For those of you who follow the White Paper, you would have noticed under >>>steps for the >>>>transition, item 4 reads: >>>> >>>>"ask WIPO to convene an open international process to develop a set = of >>>recommendations for >>>>trademarks issues" >>>> >>>>WIPO is taking up this recommendation and is convening an = international >>>process to develop >>>>recommedations concerning intellectual property issues associated = with >>>Internet domain >>>>names, including dispute resolution. Recommendations resulting from = the >>>WIPO Internet Domain >>>>Name Process will be made available to the new organisation that is being >>>formed to manage >>>>the Internet domain name system. >>>> >>>>WIPO has engaged in consultations in order to constitute an >>internationally >>>and sectorally >>>>representative panel of experts to provide assistance for the WIPO >>Internet >>>Domain Name >>>>Process. >>>> >>>>WIPO is requesting that the Asia PAcific region nominate two members = to >>>this panel. If you >>>>have suggestions, please pass them to Eleazer, Executive Secretary = of >>APIA, >>>and she will >>>>compile names on a plurality of nominations basis. We hope that two names >>>will arise out of >>>>this process. >>>> >>>>Thank you for the participation. We will announce the names, before >>handing >>>them in. This >>>>information is needed ASAP, so please send the names in by this = weekend. >>>The only >>>>prerequisites are 1) knowledgeable of Intellectual Property law, = and/or >2) >>>Knowledgeable of >>>>Internet domain name issues ans most importantly, well respected by = the >>>region. >>>> >>>>Thank you. >>>>REgards, >>>> >>>>Laina Raveendran Greene >>>> >>>>PS For more information about the WIPO process, please refer to >>>http://wipo2.wipo.int >>>>PPS For your information, APIA has been in the past active in this >>process, >>>and has >>>>represented the view of APIA members to WIPO (September 1997) >>>> >>>>------------------------------------- >>>> >>> >>>-----------------End of Original Message----------------- >>> >>>------------------------------------- >>>Name: Laina Raveendran Greene >>>E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg >>>Date: 15/08/98 >>>Time: 10:32:11 >>> >>>This message was sent by Chameleon ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BDC975.6B900880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
4th UPDATE OF NOMINATIONS AS OF 16 = AUG=20 98
RE: WIPO Panel of = Experts
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=

Deadline for nominations : Monday, noon, 17 Aug 98=20 (Singapore's time)
Nominations=20 received now =3D 18

No. 1    = Nominee: Roger=20 Hicks, Clear Communications, NZ; Director=20 APIA
           = ; =20 Proposer:     Laina Raveendran Greene,=20 Singapore
          =   =20 Seconder1:  Milton=20 Mueller
          &n= bsp; =20 Seconder2:  Mathias Koerber

No. 2    Nominee: = Laina=20 Raveendran Greene, GetIT Pte Ltd,=20 Singapore
          =   =20 Proposer:    Nobert Klein,=20 Cambodia
          &= nbsp; =20 Seconder:    Wynthia Goh

No. 3    = Nominee:=20 James Lee, Kent Ridge Digital Labs,=20 Singapore
          =   =20 Proposer:    Self

No. 4    Nominee: = Rajesh=20 Sreenavasan, Rajah & Tan,=20 Singapore
          =   =20 Proposer:  Lau Joon Nie,=20 Singapore
          =   =20 Seconder:    Wynthia Goh

No. 5   = Nominee:=20 Gilbert Leong, Legal Officer,=20 Singapore
          =  =20 Proposer:    Lau Joon Nie,=20 Singapore
          =  =20 Seconder:   Mathias Koerber

No. 6   Nominee: = Charles=20 Lim, Attoney General Chamber,=20 Singapore
          =  =20 Proposer :    Lau Joon Nie, Singapore

No.=20 7    Nominee: Professor Dr Srisakdi Charmonman, APNIC = Council,=20 Thailand
          &= nbsp; =20 Proposer:    Self

No. 8     = Nominee:=20 Shariya Haniz Zulkifli, MIMOS,=20 Malaysia
          &= nbsp;  =20 Proposer:    Laina Raveendran Greene

No.=20 9     Nominee: Patrick Fair, Philips Fox Lawyers,=20 Australia
          =    =20 Proposer:     Erika Roberts,=20 Australia

No.10    Nominee: Patrick J O'Brien, = Domainz,=20 NZ
           &= nbsp; =20 Proposer:    Laina Raveendran=20 Greene
          &nb= sp;  =20 Seconder:   Kanchana = Kanchanasut

No.11   =20 Nominee: Tan Tin Wee, NUS,=20 Singapore
          =    =20 Proposer:    Laina Raveendran=20 Greene
          &nb= sp;  =20 Seconder:    Kanchana = Kanchanasut

No.12   =20 Nominee : Dr. Liu Ching-Yi,TamKang University,=20 Taiwan
          &nb= sp;  =20 Proposer:    Kuo-Wei Wu,=20 Taiwan
          &nb= sp;  =20 Seconder1:    = Milton=20 Mueller
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder2:    Ramin Marzbani

No.13   = Nominee:=20 Tan Tee Jim, Allen & Gledhill,=20 Singapore
          =    =20 Proposer:    Ang Peng Hwa,=20 Singapore

No.14    Nominee: Gabriel Accascina, = Programme=20 Manager/Regional Coordinator
of=20 APDIP
          &nbs= p;  =20 Proposer:    Ramita Sharma

No. 15 Nominee: Dr = Ching-chun=20 Hsieh, Research fellow of the Institute of
Information, Science, = Academia=20 Sinica
          &nb= sp;   =20 Proposer:   Dr Simon Lin

No. 16   Nominee: Dr = Paul=20 Liu, Prof.,Grauate Institute of Technology and
Innovation Management, = National Chengchi=20 University
          = ;    =20 Proposer:    Dr Simon Lin
 
No. 17    Nominee: Peter Dengate Thrush, patent = attorney,=20 now barrister-sole, specialising in intellectual property matters, = NZ
           &n= bsp;   =20 Proposer:    Jim Higgins, President of the Internet = Society of=20 NZ
 
No. 18    Nominee: Harish Pillay, Brokat Asia,=20 Singapore
           &n= bsp;   =20 Proposer:    Laina Raveendran Greene
 
Regards,
Eleazer Chia
Asia & Pacific Internet = Association=20 (APIA)
APIA = Secretariat
email: apia-sec@apia.org
url:     http://www.apia.org
tel:     +65=20 834-2960
fax:    +65=20 836-2516
promoting the common=20 business interests of the region's internet-related service = industry
~~~ A forum for dialogue, a channel = for input=20 ~~~

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

>>>Please send in your support for 2 candidates and if = you=20 have other
>>>nominations, please provide seconders and = support if=20 possible, by Monday,
>>17
>>>Aug 98=20 noon.
>>>
>>>Thank=20 you.
>>>
>>>Regards
>>> =20 eleazer
>>>apia secretariat
>>>apia-sec@apia.org
>>>www.apia.org
>>>tel: &n= bsp; =20 (65)   834  2960
>>>fax:   = (65)  =20 836  = 2516
>>>
>>>>
>>>>URGENT-=20 names needed by end of this week. (apologies for the=20 duplicate
>>>postings)
>>>>
>>>>= ;For=20 those of you who follow the White Paper, you would have=20 noticed
under
>>>steps for = the
>>>>transition,=20 item 4 reads:
>>>>
>>>>"ask WIPO to = convene=20 an open international process to develop a set = of
>>>recommendations=20 for
>>>>trademarks=20 issues"
>>>>
>>>>WIPO is taking up = this=20 recommendation and is convening an international
>>>process = to=20 develop
>>>>recommedations concerning intellectual = property=20 issues associated with
>>>Internet = domain
>>>>names,=20 including dispute resolution. Recommendations resulting from=20 the
>>>WIPO Internet Domain
>>>>Name Process = will be=20 made available to the new organisation that = is
being
>>>formed to=20 manage
>>>>the Internet domain name=20 system.
>>>>
>>>>WIPO has engaged in = consultations=20 in order to constitute an
>>internationally
>>>and=20 sectorally
>>>>representative panel of experts to provide = assistance for the WIPO
>>Internet
>>>Domain=20 Name
>>>>Process.
>>>>
>>>>W= IPO is=20 requesting that the Asia PAcific region nominate two members=20 to
>>>this panel. If you
>>>>have = suggestions, please=20 pass them to Eleazer, Executive Secretary = of
>>APIA,
>>>and=20 she will
>>>>compile names on a plurality of nominations = basis.=20 We hope that two
names
>>>will arise out=20 of
>>>>this = process.
>>>>
>>>>Thank=20 you for the participation. We will announce the names,=20 before
>>handing
>>>them in.=20 This
>>>>information is needed ASAP, so please send the = names in=20 by this weekend.
>>>The = only
>>>>prerequisites are 1)=20 knowledgeable of Intellectual Property law,=20 and/or
>2)
>>>Knowledgeable = of
>>>>Internet=20 domain name issues ans most importantly, well respected by=20 the
>>>region.
>>>>
>>>>Thank=20 you.
>>>>REgards,
>>>>
>>>>L= aina=20 Raveendran Greene
>>>>
>>>>PS For more = information=20 about the WIPO process, please refer to
>>>http://wipo2.wipo.int
>>>&= gt;PPS=20 For your information, APIA has been in the past active in=20 this
>>process,
>>>and = has
>>>>represented=20 the view of APIA members to WIPO (September=20 1997)
>>>>
>>>>----------------------------= ---------
>>>>
>>>
>>>------------= -----End=20 of Original=20 Message-----------------
>>>
>>>-----------------= --------------------
>>>Name:=20 Laina Raveendran Greene
>>>E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg
>>= >Date:=20 15/08/98
>>>Time: = 10:32:11
>>>
>>>This=20 message was sent by Chameleon

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BDC975.6B900880-- -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 17/08/98 Time: 09:47:30 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 17 13:18:12 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA22804; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:18:12 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (zinc.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.31]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA22800 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:18:06 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas2047.singnet.com.sg [165.21.53.237]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA09182 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:20:50 +0800 (SGT) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 98 12:22:39 Subject: nominees To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk From: "eleazer" To: "Laina Greene" , "anr-talk" , "apia-members" , "apng-all" , "apnic-all" , "apnic-talk" , "APPLe" , "IFWP-AP attendees" Subject: Re: WIPO Panel of Experts - NOMINATIONS UPDATE (7th) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:00:56 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01BDC9D6.B0B86220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BDC9D6.B0B86220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 7th UPDATE OF NOMINATIONS AS OF 17 AUG 98 (1150 SGT) RE: WIPO Panel of Experts =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 Deadline for nominations : Monday, noon, 17 Aug 98 (Singapore's = time) Nominations received now =3D 18 =20 =20 FYI : Those who second names is another way of assessing = support/votes for the nominees. =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D No. 1 Nominee: Roger Hicks, Clear Communications, NZ; Director = APIA Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene, Singapore Seconder1: Milton Mueller Seconder2: Mathias Koerber Seconder3: Barry Raveendran Greene, Director APIA Seconder4: Dr Jin Ho Hur, Chairman APIA Seconder5: Pensri =20 No. 2 Nominee: Laina Raveendran Greene, GetIT Pte Ltd, Singapore Proposer: Nobert Klein, Cambodia Seconder1: Wynthia Goh Seconder2: Barry Raveendran Greene, Director APIA =20 No. 3 Nominee: James Lee, Kent Ridge Digital Labs, Singapore Proposer: Self =20 No. 4 Nominee: Rajesh Sreenavasan, Rajah & Tan, Singapore Proposer: Lau Joon Nie, Singapore Seconder: Wynthia Goh =20 No. 5 Nominee: Gilbert Leong, Legal Officer, Singapore Proposer: Lau Joon Nie, Singapore Seconder: Mathias Koerber =20 No. 6 Nominee: Charles Lim, Attoney General Chamber, Singapore Proposer : Lau Joon Nie, Singapore =20 No. 7 Nominee: Professor Dr Srisakdi Charmonman, APNIC Council, = Thailand Proposer: Self =20 No. 8 Nominee: Shariya Haniz Zulkifli, MIMOS, Malaysia Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene =20 No. 9 Nominee: Patrick Fair, Philips Fox Lawyers, Australia Proposer: Erika Roberts, Australia =20 No.10 Nominee: Patrick J O'Brien, Domainz, NZ Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene Seconder: Kanchana Kanchanasut =20 No.11 Nominee: Tan Tin Wee, NUS, Singapore Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene Seconder1: Kanchana Kanchanasut Seconder2: Pensri Seconder3: James Lee, Singapore =20 No.12 Nominee : Dr. Liu Ching-Yi,TamKang University, Taiwan Proposer: Kuo-Wei Wu, Taiwan Seconder1: Milton Mueller Seconder2: Ramin Marzbani Seconder3: T C Kao, Taiwan =20 No.13 Nominee: Tan Tee Jim, Allen & Gledhill, President of the = Singapore Group of the APAA, member of the Copyright Tribunal and the = National Patents Information Centre in Singapore Proposer: Ang Peng Hwa, Singapore Seconder: Lee Ai Ming, Rodyk & Davidson, Singapore = =20 No.14 Nominee: Gabriel Accascina, Programme Manager/Regional = Coordinator of APDIP Proposer: Ramita Sharma Seconder: Barry Raveendran Greene, Director APIA =20 No. 15 Nominee: Dr Ching-chun Hsieh, Research fellow of the = Institute of Information, Science, Academia Sinica Proposer: Dr Simon Lin =20 No. 16 Nominee: Dr Paul Liu, Prof.,Grauate Institute of Technology = and Innovation Management, National Chengchi University Proposer: Dr Simon Lin =20 No. 17 Nominee: Peter Dengate Thrush, patent attorney, now = barrister-sole, specialising in intellectual property matters, NZ Proposer: Jim Higgins, President of the Internet = Society of NZ Seconder: Roger Hicks, Director APIA =20 No. 18 Nominee: Harish Pillay, Brokat Asia, Singapore Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene Seconder: Barry Raveendran Greene, Director = APIA =20 Regards, eleazer chia Asia & Pacific Internet Association (APIA) APIA Secretariat email: apia-sec@apia.org url: http://www.apia.org tel: +65 834-2960 fax: +65 836-2516 promoting the common business interests of the region's = internet-related service industry ~~~ a forum for dialogue, a channel for input ~~~ =20 = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D =20 >>>Please send in your support for 2 candidates and if you have = other >>>nominations, please provide seconders and support if possible, by = Monday, >>17 >>>Aug 98 noon. >>> >>>Thank you. >>> >>>Regards >>> eleazer >>>apia secretariat >>>apia-sec@apia.org >>>www.apia.org >>>tel: (65) 834 2960 >>>fax: (65) 836 2516 >>> >>>> >>>>URGENT- names needed by end of this week. (apologies for the = duplicate >>>postings) >>>> >>>>For those of you who follow the White Paper, you would have = noticed under >>>steps for the >>>>transition, item 4 reads: >>>> >>>>"ask WIPO to convene an open international process to develop a = set of >>>recommendations for >>>>trademarks issues" >>>> >>>>WIPO is taking up this recommendation and is convening an = international >>>process to develop >>>>recommedations concerning intellectual property issues = associated with >>>Internet domain >>>>names, including dispute resolution. Recommendations resulting = from the >>>WIPO Internet Domain >>>>Name Process will be made available to the new organisation that = is being >>>formed to manage >>>>the Internet domain name system. >>>> >>>>WIPO has engaged in consultations in order to constitute an >>internationally >>>and sectorally >>>>representative panel of experts to provide assistance for the = WIPO >>Internet >>>Domain Name >>>>Process. >>>> >>>>WIPO is requesting that the Asia PAcific region nominate two = members to >>>this panel. If you >>>>have suggestions, please pass them to Eleazer, Executive = Secretary of >>APIA, >>>and she will >>>>compile names on a plurality of nominations basis. We hope that = two names >>>will arise out of >>>>this process. >>>> >>>>Thank you for the participation. We will announce the names, = before >>handing >>>them in. This >>>>information is needed ASAP, so please send the names in by this = weekend. >>>The only >>>>prerequisites are 1) knowledgeable of Intellectual Property law, = and/or >2) >>>Knowledgeable of >>>>Internet domain name issues ans most importantly, well respected = by the >>>region. >>>> >>>>Thank you. >>>>REgards, >>>> >>>>Laina Raveendran Greene >>>> >>>>PS For more information about the WIPO process, please refer to >>>http://wipo2.wipo.int >>>>PPS For your information, APIA has been in the past active in = this >>process, >>>and has >>>>represented the view of APIA members to WIPO (September 1997) >>>> >>>>------------------------------------- >>>> >>> >>>-----------------End of Original Message----------------- >>> >>>------------------------------------- >>>Name: Laina Raveendran Greene >>>E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg >>>Date: 15/08/98 >>>Time: 10:32:11 >>> >>>This message was sent by Chameleon =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BDC9D6.B0B86220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
7th = UPDATE OF NOMINATIONS AS OF 17 AUG 98 (1150 = SGT)
RE: WIPO=20 Panel of = Experts
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D

Deadline for nominations : Monday, noon, 17 Aug 98=20 (Singapore's time)
Nominations received now =3D = 18
 
FYI :  Those who second names is another way of assessing=20 support/votes for the nominees.
 
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
No. 1    Nominee: = Roger Hicks, Clear=20 Communications, NZ; Director=20 = APIA
           = ; =20 Proposer:     Laina Raveendran Greene,=20 = Singapore
          =   =20 Seconder1:  Milton=20 = Mueller
          &n= bsp; =20 Seconder2:  Mathias Koerber
=
           &n= bsp;=20 Seconder3:  Barry Raveendran Greene, Director APIA
=
           &n= bsp;=20 Seconder4:  Dr Jin Ho Hur, Chairman APIA
=
           &n= bsp;=20 Seconder5:  Pensri

No. 2    Nominee: = Laina=20 Raveendran Greene, GetIT Pte Ltd,=20 = Singapore
          =   =20 Proposer:    Nobert Klein,=20 = Cambodia
          &= nbsp; =20 Seconder1:    Wynthia Goh
=
           &n= bsp;=20 Seconder2:    Barry Raveendran Greene, Director=20 APIA

No. 3    Nominee: James Lee, Kent Ridge = Digital=20 Labs,=20 = Singapore
          =   =20 Proposer:    Self

No. 4    = Nominee:=20 Rajesh Sreenavasan, Rajah & Tan,=20 = Singapore
          =   =20 Proposer:  Lau Joon Nie,=20 = Singapore
          =   =20 Seconder:    Wynthia Goh

No. 5   = Nominee:=20 Gilbert Leong, Legal Officer,=20 = Singapore
          =  =20 Proposer:    Lau Joon Nie,=20 = Singapore
          =  =20 Seconder:   Mathias Koerber

No. 6   = Nominee:=20 Charles Lim, Attoney General Chamber,=20 = Singapore
          =  =20 Proposer :    Lau Joon Nie, Singapore

No.=20 7    Nominee: Professor Dr Srisakdi Charmonman, APNIC = Council,=20 = Thailand
          &= nbsp; =20 Proposer:    Self

No. = 8    =20 Nominee: Shariya Haniz Zulkifli, MIMOS,=20 = Malaysia
          &= nbsp;  =20 Proposer:    Laina Raveendran Greene

No.=20 9     Nominee: Patrick Fair, Philips Fox = Lawyers,=20 = Australia
          =    =20 Proposer:     Erika Roberts,=20 Australia

No.10    Nominee: Patrick J O'Brien, = Domainz,=20 = NZ
           &= nbsp; =20 Proposer:    Laina Raveendran=20 = Greene
          &nb= sp;  =20 Seconder:   Kanchana = Kanchanasut

No.11   =20 Nominee: Tan Tin Wee, NUS,=20 = Singapore
          =    =20 Proposer:    Laina Raveendran=20 = Greene
          &nb= sp;  =20 Seconder1:    Kanchana Kanchanasut
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder2:    Pensri
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder3:    James Lee,=20 Singapore

No.12    Nominee : Dr. Liu = Ching-Yi,TamKang=20 University,=20 = Taiwan
          &nb= sp;  =20 Proposer:    Kuo-Wei Wu,=20 = Taiwan
          &nb= sp;  =20 Seconder1:    = Milton=20 Mueller
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder2:    Ramin Marzbani
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder3:    T C Kao, = Taiwan

No.13  =20 Nominee: Tan Tee Jim, Allen & Gledhill, President of the = Singapore Group=20 of the APAA, member of the Copyright Tribunal and the National = Patents=20 Information Centre in=20 = Singapore
          =    =20 Proposer:    Ang Peng Hwa, Singapore
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder:    Lee Ai Ming, Rodyk & Davidson,=20 Singapore 

No.14    Nominee: Gabriel = Accascina,=20 Programme Manager/Regional Coordinator
of=20 = APDIP
          &nbs= p;  =20 Proposer:    Ramita Sharma
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder:   Barry Raveendran Greene, Director = APIA

No. 15=20 Nominee: Dr Ching-chun Hsieh, Research fellow of the Institute=20 of
Information, Science, Academia=20 = Sinica
          &nb= sp;   =20 Proposer:   Dr Simon Lin

No. 16   = Nominee: Dr=20 Paul Liu, Prof.,Grauate Institute of Technology and
Innovation=20 Management, National Chengchi=20 = University
          = ;    =20 Proposer:    Dr Simon Lin
 
No. 17    Nominee: Peter Dengate Thrush, patent=20 attorney, now barrister-sole, specialising in intellectual property = matters,=20 NZ
=
           &n= bsp;   =20 Proposer:    Jim Higgins, President of the Internet = Society=20 of NZ
          &nbs= p;        =20 Seconder:    Roger Hicks, Director=20 APIA
 
No. 18    Nominee: Harish Pillay, Brokat Asia,=20 Singapore
=
           &n= bsp;   =20 Proposer:    Laina Raveendran Greene
          &nbs= p;       Seconder:    = Barry=20 Raveendran Greene, Director APIA
 
Regards,
eleazer = chia
Asia & Pacific Internet = Association=20 (APIA)
APIA = Secretariat
email: apia-sec@apia.org
url:     = http://www.apia.org
tel:     = +65=20 834-2960
fax:    +65=20 836-2516
promoting the=20 common business interests of the region's = internet-related=20 service industry
~~~ a forum for dialogue, a = channel for input=20 ~~~

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

>>>Please send in your support for 2 candidates = and if you=20 have other
>>>nominations, please provide seconders and = support=20 if possible, by Monday,
>>17
>>>Aug 98=20 noon.
>>>
>>>Thank=20 you.
>>>
>>>Regards
>>> =20 eleazer
>>>apia secretariat
>>>apia-sec@apia.org
>>>www.apia.org
>>>tel: &n= bsp; =20 (65)   834  2960
>>>fax:  =20 (65)   836 =20 2516
>>>
>>>>
>>>>URGENT- = names=20 needed by end of this week. (apologies for the=20 = duplicate
>>>postings)
>>>>
>>>>= ;For=20 those of you who follow the White Paper, you would have=20 noticed
under
>>>steps for = the
>>>>transition,=20 item 4 reads:
>>>>
>>>>"ask WIPO = to=20 convene an open international process to develop a set=20 of
>>>recommendations for
>>>>trademarks=20 issues"
>>>>
>>>>WIPO is taking = up this=20 recommendation and is convening an = international
>>>process to=20 develop
>>>>recommedations concerning intellectual = property=20 issues associated with
>>>Internet=20 domain
>>>>names, including dispute resolution.=20 Recommendations resulting from the
>>>WIPO Internet=20 Domain
>>>>Name Process will be made available to the = new=20 organisation that is
being
>>>formed to=20 manage
>>>>the Internet domain name=20 system.
>>>>
>>>>WIPO has engaged in=20 consultations in order to constitute=20 an
>>internationally
>>>and=20 sectorally
>>>>representative panel of experts to = provide=20 assistance for the WIPO
>>Internet
>>>Domain=20 = Name
>>>>Process.
>>>>
>>>>W= IPO=20 is requesting that the Asia PAcific region nominate two members=20 to
>>>this panel. If you
>>>>have = suggestions,=20 please pass them to Eleazer, Executive Secretary=20 of
>>APIA,
>>>and she = will
>>>>compile=20 names on a plurality of nominations basis. We hope that=20 two
names
>>>will arise out = of
>>>>this=20 process.
>>>>
>>>>Thank you for the=20 participation. We will announce the names,=20 before
>>handing
>>>them in.=20 This
>>>>information is needed ASAP, so please send = the names=20 in by this weekend.
>>>The = only
>>>>prerequisites=20 are 1) knowledgeable of Intellectual Property law,=20 and/or
>2)
>>>Knowledgeable = of
>>>>Internet=20 domain name issues ans most importantly, well respected by=20 = the
>>>region.
>>>>
>>>>Thank=20 = you.
>>>>REgards,
>>>>
>>>>L= aina=20 Raveendran Greene
>>>>
>>>>PS For more = information about the WIPO process, please refer = to
>>>http://wipo2.wipo.int
>>>&= gt;PPS=20 For your information, APIA has been in the past active in=20 this
>>process,
>>>and=20 has
>>>>represented the view of APIA members to WIPO=20 (September=20 = 1997)
>>>>
>>>>----------------------------= ---------
>>>>
>>>
>>>------------= -----End=20 of Original=20 = Message-----------------
>>>
>>>-----------------= --------------------
>>>Name:=20 Laina Raveendran Greene
>>>E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg
>>= >Date:=20 15/08/98
>>>Time: = 10:32:11
>>>
>>>This=20 message was sent by = Chameleon

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Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk From: "eleazer" To: "Laina Greene" , "anr-talk" , "apia-members" , "apng-all" , "apnic-all" , "apnic-talk" , "APPLe" , "IFWP-AP attendees" Subject: Re: WIPO Panel of Experts - PROCEDURES FOR SELECTING NOMINEES & NOMINATIONS UPDATE (8th) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:34:28 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01BDC9DB.60821300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BDC9DB.60821300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Procedure for selecting nominees 1 Candidates will be selected on the basis of proposers and by most = seconders. 2 The two candidates with the highest seconders, will be the ones = selected and these names will be posted to see for any objections. 3 If there are more than 2 candidates and if there is a tie, then = their names will be open for voting. =20 =20 8th UPDATE OF NOMINATIONS AS OF 17 AUG 98 (1200 noon SGT) RE: WIPO Panel of Experts =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 Deadline for nominations : Monday, noon, 17 Aug 98 (Singapore's = time) Nominations received now =3D 18 =20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D No. 1 Nominee: Roger Hicks, Clear Communications, NZ; = Director APIA Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene, Singapore Seconder1: Milton Mueller Seconder2: Mathias Koerber Seconder3: Barry Raveendran Greene, Director APIA Seconder4: Dr Jin Ho Hur, Chairman APIA Seconder5: Pensri =20 No. 2 Nominee: Laina Raveendran Greene, GetIT Pte Ltd, = Singapore Proposer: Nobert Klein, Cambodia Seconder1: Wynthia Goh Seconder2: Barry Raveendran Greene, Director = APIA =20 No. 3 Nominee: James Lee, Kent Ridge Digital Labs, Singapore Proposer: Self =20 No. 4 Nominee: Rajesh Sreenavasan, Rajah & Tan, Singapore Proposer: Lau Joon Nie, Singapore Seconder1: Wynthia Goh Seconder2: Bala Pillai =20 No. 5 Nominee: Gilbert Leong, Legal Officer, Singapore Proposer: Lau Joon Nie, Singapore Seconder: Mathias Koerber =20 No. 6 Nominee: Charles Lim, Attoney General Chamber, Singapore Proposer : Lau Joon Nie, Singapore =20 No. 7 Nominee: Professor Dr Srisakdi Charmonman, APNIC = Council, Thailand Proposer: Self =20 No. 8 Nominee: Shariya Haniz Zulkifli, MIMOS, Malaysia Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene =20 No. 9 Nominee: Patrick Fair, Philips Fox Lawyers, Australia Proposer: Erika Roberts, Australia =20 No.10 Nominee: Patrick J O'Brien, Domainz, NZ Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene Seconder: Kanchana Kanchanasut =20 No.11 Nominee: Tan Tin Wee, NUS, Singapore Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene Seconder1: Kanchana Kanchanasut Seconder2: Pensri Seconder3: James Lee, Singapore Seconder4: Prof. Nian-Shing Chen =20 No.12 Nominee : Dr. Liu Ching-Yi,TamKang University, Taiwan Proposer: Kuo-Wei Wu, Taiwan Seconder1: Milton Mueller Seconder2: Ramin Marzbani Seconder3: T C Kao, Taiwan Seconder4: Prof Nian-Shing Chen Seconder5: Bala Pillai =20 No.13 Nominee: Tan Tee Jim, Allen & Gledhill, President of the = Singapore Group of the APAA, member of the Copyright Tribunal and the = National Patents Information Centre in Singapore Proposer: Ang Peng Hwa, Singapore Seconder: Lee Ai Ming, Rodyk & Davidson, = Singapore =20 =20 No.14 Nominee: Gabriel Accascina, Programme Manager/Regional = Coordinator of APDIP Proposer: Ramita Sharma Seconder1: Barry Raveendran Greene, Director = APIA Seconder2: Cynthia Hor, Advisor, Asia Pacific = Development Information Programme, Malaysia =20 No. 15 Nominee: Dr Ching-chun Hsieh, Research fellow of the = Institute of Information, Science, Academia Sinica Proposer: Dr Simon Lin =20 No. 16 Nominee: Dr Paul Liu, Prof.,Grauate Institute of = Technology and Innovation Management, National Chengchi University Proposer: Dr Simon Lin =20 No. 17 Nominee: Peter Dengate Thrush, patent attorney, now = barrister-sole, specialising in intellectual property matters, NZ Proposer: Jim Higgins, President of the = Internet Society of NZ Seconder: Roger Hicks, Director APIA =20 No. 18 Nominee: Harish Pillay, Brokat Asia, Singapore Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene Seconder: Barry Raveendran Greene, Director = APIA =20 Regards, eleazer chia Asia & Pacific Internet Association (APIA) APIA Secretariat email: apia-sec@apia.org url: http://www.apia.org tel: +65 834-2960 fax: +65 836-2516 promoting the common business interests of the region's = internet-related service industry ~~~ a forum for dialogue, a channel for input ~~~ =20 = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D =20 >>>Please send in your support for 2 candidates and if you have = other >>>nominations, please provide seconders and support if = possible, by Monday, >>17 >>>Aug 98 noon. >>> >>>Thank you. >>> >>>Regards >>> eleazer >>>apia secretariat >>>apia-sec@apia.org >>>www.apia.org >>>tel: (65) 834 2960 >>>fax: (65) 836 2516 >>> >>>> >>>>URGENT- names needed by end of this week. (apologies for the = duplicate >>>postings) >>>> >>>>For those of you who follow the White Paper, you would have = noticed under >>>steps for the >>>>transition, item 4 reads: >>>> >>>>"ask WIPO to convene an open international process to = develop a set of >>>recommendations for >>>>trademarks issues" >>>> >>>>WIPO is taking up this recommendation and is convening an = international >>>process to develop >>>>recommedations concerning intellectual property issues = associated with >>>Internet domain >>>>names, including dispute resolution. Recommendations = resulting from the >>>WIPO Internet Domain >>>>Name Process will be made available to the new organisation = that is being >>>formed to manage >>>>the Internet domain name system. >>>> >>>>WIPO has engaged in consultations in order to constitute an >>internationally >>>and sectorally >>>>representative panel of experts to provide assistance for = the WIPO >>Internet >>>Domain Name >>>>Process. >>>> >>>>WIPO is requesting that the Asia PAcific region nominate two = members to >>>this panel. If you >>>>have suggestions, please pass them to Eleazer, Executive = Secretary of >>APIA, >>>and she will >>>>compile names on a plurality of nominations basis. We hope = that two names >>>will arise out of >>>>this process. >>>> >>>>Thank you for the participation. We will announce the names, = before >>handing >>>them in. This >>>>information is needed ASAP, so please send the names in by = this weekend. >>>The only >>>>prerequisites are 1) knowledgeable of Intellectual Property = law, and/or >2) >>>Knowledgeable of >>>>Internet domain name issues ans most importantly, well = respected by the >>>region. >>>> >>>>Thank you. >>>>REgards, >>>> >>>>Laina Raveendran Greene >>>> >>>>PS For more information about the WIPO process, please refer = to >>>http://wipo2.wipo.int >>>>PPS For your information, APIA has been in the past active = in this >>process, >>>and has >>>>represented the view of APIA members to WIPO (September = 1997) >>>> >>>>------------------------------------- >>>> >>> >>>-----------------End of Original Message----------------- >>> >>>------------------------------------- >>>Name: Laina Raveendran Greene >>>E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg >>>Date: 15/08/98 >>>Time: 10:32:11 >>> >>>This message was sent by Chameleon =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BDC9DB.60821300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Procedure for selecting=20 nominees
1    Candidates will be = selected on the=20 basis of proposers and by most seconders.
2    The two candidates with = the highest=20 seconders, will be the ones selected and these names will be posted to = see for=20 any objections.
3    If there are more than 2 = candidates=20 and if there is a tie, then their names will be open for = voting.

 
8th = UPDATE OF NOMINATIONS AS OF 17 AUG 98 (1200 noon = SGT)
RE: WIPO Panel of=20 = Experts
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D

Deadline for nominations : Monday, noon, 17 Aug = 98=20 (Singapore's time)
Nominations received now =3D = 18
 
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
No. 1    = Nominee: Roger Hicks, Clear=20 Communications, NZ; Director=20 = APIA
           = ; =20 Proposer:     Laina Raveendran Greene,=20 = Singapore
          =   =20 Seconder1:  Milton=20 = Mueller
          &n= bsp; =20 Seconder2:  Mathias Koerber
=
           &n= bsp;=20 Seconder3:  Barry Raveendran Greene, Director APIA
=
           &n= bsp;=20 Seconder4:  Dr Jin Ho Hur, Chairman APIA
=
           &n= bsp;=20 Seconder5:  Pensri

No. 2    Nominee: = Laina=20 Raveendran Greene, GetIT Pte Ltd,=20 = Singapore
          =   =20 Proposer:    Nobert Klein,=20 = Cambodia
          &= nbsp; =20 Seconder1:    Wynthia Goh
=
           &n= bsp;=20 Seconder2:    Barry Raveendran Greene, Director=20 APIA

No. 3    Nominee: James Lee, Kent = Ridge=20 Digital Labs,=20 = Singapore
          =   =20 Proposer:    Self

No. 4    = Nominee:=20 Rajesh Sreenavasan, Rajah & Tan,=20 = Singapore
          =   =20 Proposer:  Lau Joon Nie,=20 = Singapore
          =   =20 Seconder1:    Wynthia Goh
=
           &n= bsp;=20 Seconder2:    Bala Pillai

No. = 5  =20 Nominee: Gilbert Leong, Legal Officer,=20 = Singapore
          =  =20 Proposer:    Lau Joon Nie,=20 = Singapore
          =  =20 Seconder:   Mathias Koerber

No. 6   = Nominee:=20 Charles Lim, Attoney General Chamber,=20 = Singapore
          =  =20 Proposer :    Lau Joon Nie, Singapore

No.=20 7    Nominee: Professor Dr Srisakdi Charmonman, = APNIC=20 Council,=20 = Thailand
          &= nbsp; =20 Proposer:    Self

No. = 8    =20 Nominee: Shariya Haniz Zulkifli, MIMOS,=20 = Malaysia
          &= nbsp;  =20 Proposer:    Laina Raveendran Greene

No.=20 9     Nominee: Patrick Fair, Philips Fox = Lawyers,=20 = Australia
          =    =20 Proposer:     Erika Roberts,=20 Australia

No.10    Nominee: Patrick J = O'Brien,=20 Domainz,=20 = NZ
           &= nbsp; =20 Proposer:    Laina Raveendran=20 = Greene
          &nb= sp;  =20 Seconder:   Kanchana=20 Kanchanasut

No.11    Nominee: Tan Tin Wee, = NUS,=20 = Singapore
          =    =20 Proposer:    Laina Raveendran=20 = Greene
          &nb= sp;  =20 Seconder1:    Kanchana Kanchanasut
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder2:    Pensri
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder3:    James Lee, Singapore
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder4:    Prof. Nian-Shing=20 Chen

No.12    Nominee : Dr. Liu = Ching-Yi,TamKang=20 University,=20 = Taiwan
          &nb= sp;  =20 Proposer:    Kuo-Wei Wu,=20 = Taiwan
          &nb= sp;  =20 Seconder1:    Milton=20 Mueller
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder2:    Ramin Marzbani
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder3:    T C Kao, Taiwan
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder4:    Prof Nian-Shing Chen
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder5:    Bala = Pillai

No.13  =20 Nominee: Tan Tee Jim, Allen & Gledhill, President of the = Singapore=20 Group of the APAA, member of the Copyright Tribunal and the = National=20 Patents Information Centre in=20 = Singapore
          =    =20 Proposer:    Ang Peng Hwa, Singapore
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder:    Lee Ai Ming, Rodyk & Davidson,=20 Singapore 

No.14    Nominee: Gabriel = Accascina, Programme Manager/Regional Coordinator
of=20 = APDIP
          &nbs= p;  =20 Proposer:    Ramita Sharma
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder1:   Barry Raveendran Greene, Director = APIA
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder2: Cynthia Hor, Advisor, Asia Pacific Development = Information=20 Programme, Malaysia

No. 15 Nominee: Dr Ching-chun Hsieh, = Research=20 fellow of the Institute of
Information, Science, Academia=20 = Sinica
          &nb= sp;   =20 Proposer:   Dr Simon Lin

No. 16   = Nominee: Dr=20 Paul Liu, Prof.,Grauate Institute of Technology = and
Innovation=20 Management, National Chengchi=20 = University
          = ;    =20 Proposer:    Dr Simon Lin
 
No. 17    Nominee: Peter Dengate Thrush, = patent=20 attorney, now barrister-sole, specialising in intellectual = property=20 matters, NZ
=
           &n= bsp;   =20 Proposer:    Jim Higgins, President of the = Internet=20 Society of NZ
          &nbs= p;        =20 Seconder:    Roger Hicks, Director = APIA
 
No. 18    Nominee: Harish Pillay, Brokat = Asia,=20 Singapore
=
           &n= bsp;   =20 Proposer:    Laina Raveendran Greene
          &nbs= p;       = Seconder:    Barry=20 Raveendran Greene, Director APIA
 
Regards,
eleazer = chia
Asia & Pacific = Internet=20 Association (APIA)
APIA = Secretariat
email: apia-sec@apia.org
url:     http://www.apia.org
tel:     +65=20 834-2960
fax:    = +65=20 836-2516
promoting the=20 common business interests of the region's=20 internet-related service = industry
~~~ a forum for dialogue, a = channel for=20 input ~~~

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

>>>Please send in your support for 2 = candidates and if=20 you have other
>>>nominations, please provide = seconders and=20 support if possible, by Monday,
>>17
>>>Aug = 98=20 noon.
>>>
>>>Thank=20 = you.
>>>
>>>Regards
>>> =20 eleazer
>>>apia secretariat
>>>apia-sec@apia.org
>>>www.apia.org
>>>tel: &n= bsp; =20 (65)   834  2960
>>>fax:  =20 (65)   836 =20 = 2516
>>>
>>>>
>>>>URGENT-=20 names needed by end of this week. (apologies for the=20 = duplicate
>>>postings)
>>>>
>>>>= ;For=20 those of you who follow the White Paper, you would have=20 noticed
under
>>>steps for=20 the
>>>>transition, item 4=20 reads:
>>>>
>>>>"ask WIPO to = convene=20 an open international process to develop a set=20 of
>>>recommendations = for
>>>>trademarks=20 issues"
>>>>
>>>>WIPO is = taking up=20 this recommendation and is convening an=20 international
>>>process to=20 develop
>>>>recommedations concerning = intellectual=20 property issues associated with
>>>Internet=20 domain
>>>>names, including dispute resolution.=20 Recommendations resulting from the
>>>WIPO Internet=20 Domain
>>>>Name Process will be made available to = the new=20 organisation that is
being
>>>formed to=20 manage
>>>>the Internet domain name=20 system.
>>>>
>>>>WIPO has engaged = in=20 consultations in order to constitute=20 an
>>internationally
>>>and=20 sectorally
>>>>representative panel of experts to = provide=20 assistance for the = WIPO
>>Internet
>>>Domain=20 = Name
>>>>Process.
>>>>
>>>>W= IPO=20 is requesting that the Asia PAcific region nominate two members=20 to
>>>this panel. If you
>>>>have=20 suggestions, please pass them to Eleazer, Executive Secretary=20 of
>>APIA,
>>>and she=20 will
>>>>compile names on a plurality of = nominations=20 basis. We hope that two
names
>>>will arise out=20 of
>>>>this=20 process.
>>>>
>>>>Thank you for = the=20 participation. We will announce the names,=20 before
>>handing
>>>them in.=20 This
>>>>information is needed ASAP, so please = send the=20 names in by this weekend.
>>>The=20 only
>>>>prerequisites are 1) knowledgeable of=20 Intellectual Property law, = and/or
>2)
>>>Knowledgeable=20 of
>>>>Internet domain name issues ans most = importantly,=20 well respected by=20 = the
>>>region.
>>>>
>>>>Thank=20 = you.
>>>>REgards,
>>>>
>>>>L= aina=20 Raveendran Greene
>>>>
>>>>PS For = more=20 information about the WIPO process, please refer = to
>>>http://wipo2.wipo.int
>>>&= gt;PPS=20 For your information, APIA has been in the past active in=20 this
>>process,
>>>and=20 has
>>>>represented the view of APIA members to = WIPO=20 (September=20 = 1997)
>>>>
>>>>----------------------------= ---------
>>>>
>>>
>>>------------= -----End=20 of Original=20 = Message-----------------
>>>
>>>-----------------= --------------------
>>>Name:=20 Laina Raveendran Greene
>>>E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg
>>= >Date:=20 15/08/98
>>>Time:=20 10:32:11
>>>
>>>This message was sent by = Chameleon

------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BDC9DB.60821300-- -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 17/08/98 Time: 16:39:03 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 17 17:40:00 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id RAA23334; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:40:00 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from iron.singnet.com.sg (iron.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.29]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA23330 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:39:53 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas2037.singnet.com.sg [165.21.53.227]) by iron.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA17250 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:42:36 +0800 (SGT) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 98 16:44:17 Subject: Results of nominations To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk From: "eleazer" To: "Laina Greene" , "anr-talk" , "apia-members" , "apng-all" , "apnic-all" , "apnic-talk" , "APPLe" , "IFWP-AP attendees" Subject: Re: WIPO Panel of Experts - RESULT OF NOMINATIONS Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:28:50 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01BDC9F3.BBC7A0A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BDC9F3.BBC7A0A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 2 nominees who have received the most seconders are :- No. 1 Nominee: Roger Hicks, Clear Communications, NZ; = Director APIA Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene, Singapore Seconder1: Milton Mueller Seconder2: Mathias Koerber Seconder3: Barry Raveendran Greene, Director APIA Seconder4: Dr Jin Ho Hur, Chairman APIA Seconder5: Pensri = Total: 5 seconders No.12 Nominee : Dr. Liu Ching-Yi,TamKang University, = Taiwan Proposer: Kuo-Wei Wu, Taiwan Seconder1: Milton Mueller Seconder2: Ramin Marzbani Seconder3: T C Kao, Taiwan Seconder4: Prof Nian-Shing Chen Seconder5: Bala Pillai Total: = 5 seconders Their names will be submitted as Asia Pacific region's representatives = on the WIPO Panel of experts. Please register your objections, if any, by 12 noon (SGT) on Wednesday, = 19 Aug 98. Regards, eleazer chia Asia & Pacific Internet Association (APIA) APIA Secretariat email: apia-sec@apia.org url: http://www.apia.org tel: +65 834-2960 fax: +65 836-2516 promoting the common business interests of the region's internet-related = service industry ~~~ a forum for dialogue, a channel for input ~~~ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Procedure for selecting nominees 1 Candidates will be selected on the basis of proposers and by most = seconders. 2 The two candidates with the highest seconders, will be the ones = selected and these names will be posted to see for any objections. 3 If there are more than 2 candidates and if there is a tie, then = their names will be open for voting. 8th UPDATE OF NOMINATIONS AS OF 17 AUG 98 (1200 noon SGT) RE: WIPO Panel of Experts = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 Deadline for nominations : Monday, noon, 17 Aug 98 = (Singapore's time) Nominations received now =3D 18 =20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D No. 1 Nominee: Roger Hicks, Clear Communications, NZ; = Director APIA Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene, = Singapore Seconder1: Milton Mueller Seconder2: Mathias Koerber Seconder3: Barry Raveendran Greene, Director = APIA Seconder4: Dr Jin Ho Hur, Chairman APIA Seconder5: Pensri =20 No. 2 Nominee: Laina Raveendran Greene, GetIT Pte Ltd, = Singapore Proposer: Nobert Klein, Cambodia Seconder1: Wynthia Goh Seconder2: Barry Raveendran Greene, Director = APIA =20 No. 3 Nominee: James Lee, Kent Ridge Digital Labs, = Singapore Proposer: Self =20 No. 4 Nominee: Rajesh Sreenavasan, Rajah & Tan, Singapore Proposer: Lau Joon Nie, Singapore Seconder1: Wynthia Goh Seconder2: Bala Pillai =20 No. 5 Nominee: Gilbert Leong, Legal Officer, Singapore Proposer: Lau Joon Nie, Singapore Seconder: Mathias Koerber =20 No. 6 Nominee: Charles Lim, Attoney General Chamber, = Singapore Proposer : Lau Joon Nie, Singapore =20 No. 7 Nominee: Professor Dr Srisakdi Charmonman, APNIC = Council, Thailand Proposer: Self =20 No. 8 Nominee: Shariya Haniz Zulkifli, MIMOS, Malaysia Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene =20 No. 9 Nominee: Patrick Fair, Philips Fox Lawyers, = Australia Proposer: Erika Roberts, Australia =20 No.10 Nominee: Patrick J O'Brien, Domainz, NZ Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene Seconder: Kanchana Kanchanasut =20 No.11 Nominee: Tan Tin Wee, NUS, Singapore Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene Seconder1: Kanchana Kanchanasut Seconder2: Pensri Seconder3: James Lee, Singapore Seconder4: Prof. Nian-Shing Chen =20 No.12 Nominee : Dr. Liu Ching-Yi,TamKang University, = Taiwan Proposer: Kuo-Wei Wu, Taiwan Seconder1: Milton Mueller Seconder2: Ramin Marzbani Seconder3: T C Kao, Taiwan Seconder4: Prof Nian-Shing Chen Seconder5: Bala Pillai =20 No.13 Nominee: Tan Tee Jim, Allen & Gledhill, President of = the Singapore Group of the APAA, member of the Copyright Tribunal and = the National Patents Information Centre in Singapore Proposer: Ang Peng Hwa, Singapore Seconder: Lee Ai Ming, Rodyk & Davidson, = Singapore =20 =20 No.14 Nominee: Gabriel Accascina, Programme = Manager/Regional Coordinator of APDIP Proposer: Ramita Sharma Seconder1: Barry Raveendran Greene, Director = APIA Seconder2: Cynthia Hor, Advisor, Asia Pacific = Development Information Programme, Malaysia =20 No. 15 Nominee: Dr Ching-chun Hsieh, Research fellow of the = Institute of Information, Science, Academia Sinica Proposer: Dr Simon Lin =20 No. 16 Nominee: Dr Paul Liu, Prof.,Grauate Institute of = Technology and Innovation Management, National Chengchi University Proposer: Dr Simon Lin =20 No. 17 Nominee: Peter Dengate Thrush, patent attorney, = now barrister-sole, specialising in intellectual property matters, NZ Proposer: Jim Higgins, President of the = Internet Society of NZ Seconder: Roger Hicks, Director APIA =20 No. 18 Nominee: Harish Pillay, Brokat Asia, Singapore Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene Seconder: Barry Raveendran Greene, = Director APIA =20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>Please send in your support for 2 candidates and if you = have other >>>nominations, please provide seconders and support if = possible, by Monday, >>17 >>>Aug 98 noon. >>> >>>Thank you. >>> >>>Regards >>> eleazer >>>apia secretariat >>>apia-sec@apia.org >>>www.apia.org >>>tel: (65) 834 2960 >>>fax: (65) 836 2516 >>> >>>> >>>>URGENT- names needed by end of this week. (apologies for = the duplicate >>>postings) >>>> >>>>For those of you who follow the White Paper, you would = have noticed under >>>steps for the >>>>transition, item 4 reads: >>>> >>>>"ask WIPO to convene an open international process to = develop a set of >>>recommendations for >>>>trademarks issues" >>>> >>>>WIPO is taking up this recommendation and is convening = an international >>>process to develop >>>>recommedations concerning intellectual property issues = associated with >>>Internet domain >>>>names, including dispute resolution. Recommendations = resulting from the >>>WIPO Internet Domain >>>>Name Process will be made available to the new = organisation that is being >>>formed to manage >>>>the Internet domain name system. >>>> >>>>WIPO has engaged in consultations in order to constitute = an >>internationally >>>and sectorally >>>>representative panel of experts to provide assistance = for the WIPO >>Internet >>>Domain Name >>>>Process. >>>> >>>>WIPO is requesting that the Asia PAcific region nominate = two members to >>>this panel. If you >>>>have suggestions, please pass them to Eleazer, Executive = Secretary of >>APIA, >>>and she will >>>>compile names on a plurality of nominations basis. We = hope that two names >>>will arise out of >>>>this process. >>>> >>>>Thank you for the participation. We will announce the = names, before >>handing >>>them in. This >>>>information is needed ASAP, so please send the names in = by this weekend. >>>The only >>>>prerequisites are 1) knowledgeable of Intellectual = Property law, and/or >2) >>>Knowledgeable of >>>>Internet domain name issues ans most importantly, well = respected by the >>>region. >>>> >>>>Thank you. >>>>REgards, >>>> >>>>Laina Raveendran Greene >>>> >>>>PS For more information about the WIPO process, please = refer to >>>http://wipo2.wipo.int >>>>PPS For your information, APIA has been in the past = active in this >>process, >>>and has >>>>represented the view of APIA members to WIPO (September = 1997) >>>> >>>>------------------------------------- >>>> >>> >>>-----------------End of Original Message----------------- >>> >>>------------------------------------- >>>Name: Laina Raveendran Greene >>>E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg >>>Date: 15/08/98 >>>Time: 10:32:11 >>> >>>This message was sent by Chameleon =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BDC9F3.BBC7A0A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The 2 nominees who have = received the most=20 seconders are :-
 
         &nb= sp;  =20 No. 1    Nominee: Roger Hicks, Clear Communications, = NZ;=20 Director=20 APIA
          &= nbsp; =20 Proposer:     Laina Raveendran Greene,=20 Singapore
          =   =20 Seconder1:  Milton=20 Mueller
          &n= bsp; =20 Seconder2:  Mathias Koerber
          &nb= sp; =20 Seconder3:  Barry Raveendran Greene, Director APIA
          &nb= sp; =20 Seconder4:  Dr Jin Ho Hur, Chairman APIA
          &nb= sp; =20 Seconder5:  Pensri
         &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;         =20 Total: 5 seconders
 
          &nb= sp;  =20 No.12    Nominee : Dr. Liu Ching-Yi,TamKang = University,=20 Taiwan
          = ;   =20 Proposer:    Kuo-Wei Wu,=20 Taiwan
          &nb= sp;  =20 Seconder1:    Milton Mueller
          &nb= sp;  =20 Seconder2:    Ramin Marzbani
          &nb= sp;  =20 Seconder3:    T C Kao, Taiwan
          &nb= sp;  =20 Seconder4:    Prof Nian-Shing Chen
          &nb= sp;  =20 Seconder5:    Bala Pillai
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;    =20 Total: 5 seconders
 
Their names will be submitted = as Asia=20 Pacific region's representatives on the WIPO Panel of=20 experts.
 
Please register your = objections,=20 if any, by 12 noon (SGT) on Wednesday, 19 Aug 98.
 
Regards,
eleazer chia
Asia = & Pacific=20 Internet Association (APIA)
APIA Secretariat
email: apia-sec@apia.org
url: &nbs= p;  =20 http://www.apia.org
tel:  &= nbsp; =20 +65 834-2960
fax:    +65 836-2516
promoting the common business interests of the = region's=20 internet-related service industry
~~~ a forum for dialogue, a = channel=20 for input ~~~
 
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=

Procedure for selecting nominees
1    Candidates will be selected on the = basis of=20 proposers and by most seconders.
2    The two=20 candidates with the highest seconders, will be the ones selected and = these names=20 will be     posted to see for any = objections.
3    If there=20 are more than 2 candidates and if there is a tie, then their names will = be open=20 for voting.
8th=20 UPDATE OF NOMINATIONS AS = OF 17 AUG=20 98 (1200 noon SGT)
RE: WIPO Panel of=20 = Experts
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D

Deadline for nominations : Monday, noon, 17 = Aug 98=20 (Singapore's time)
Nominations received now =3D = 18
 
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
No. 1    = Nominee: Roger Hicks, Clear=20 Communications, NZ; Director=20 = APIA
           = ; =20 Proposer:     Laina Raveendran Greene,=20 = Singapore
          =   =20 Seconder1:  Milton=20 = Mueller
          &n= bsp; =20 Seconder2:  Mathias Koerber
=
           &n= bsp;=20 Seconder3:  Barry Raveendran Greene, Director = APIA
=
           &n= bsp;=20 Seconder4:  Dr Jin Ho Hur, Chairman APIA
=
           &n= bsp;=20 Seconder5:  Pensri

No. 2    = Nominee:=20 Laina Raveendran Greene, GetIT Pte Ltd,=20 = Singapore
          =   =20 Proposer:    Nobert Klein,=20 = Cambodia
          &= nbsp; =20 Seconder1:    Wynthia Goh
=
           &n= bsp;=20 Seconder2:    Barry Raveendran Greene, = Director=20 APIA

No. 3    Nominee: James Lee, Kent = Ridge=20 Digital Labs,=20 = Singapore
          =   =20 Proposer:    Self

No. = 4   =20 Nominee: Rajesh Sreenavasan, Rajah & Tan,=20 = Singapore
          =   =20 Proposer:  Lau Joon Nie,=20 = Singapore
          =   =20 Seconder1:    Wynthia Goh
=
           &n= bsp;=20 Seconder2:    Bala Pillai

No. = 5  =20 Nominee: Gilbert Leong, Legal Officer,=20 = Singapore
          =  =20 Proposer:    Lau Joon Nie,=20 = Singapore
          =  =20 Seconder:   Mathias Koerber

No. = 6  =20 Nominee: Charles Lim, Attoney General Chamber,=20 = Singapore
          =  =20 Proposer :    Lau Joon Nie, = Singapore

No.=20 7    Nominee: Professor Dr Srisakdi = Charmonman, APNIC=20 Council,=20 = Thailand
          &= nbsp; =20 Proposer:    Self

No.=20 8     Nominee: Shariya Haniz Zulkifli, = MIMOS,=20 = Malaysia
          &= nbsp;  =20 Proposer:    Laina Raveendran = Greene

No.=20 9     Nominee: Patrick Fair, Philips Fox = Lawyers,=20 = Australia
          =    =20 Proposer:     Erika Roberts,=20 Australia

No.10    Nominee: Patrick J = O'Brien,=20 Domainz,=20 = NZ
           &= nbsp; =20 Proposer:    Laina Raveendran=20 = Greene
          &nb= sp;  =20 Seconder:   Kanchana=20 Kanchanasut

No.11    Nominee: Tan Tin = Wee,=20 NUS,=20 = Singapore
          =    =20 Proposer:    Laina Raveendran=20 = Greene
          &nb= sp;  =20 Seconder1:    Kanchana Kanchanasut
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder2:    Pensri
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder3:    James Lee, Singapore
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder4:    Prof. Nian-Shing=20 Chen

No.12    Nominee : Dr. Liu=20 Ching-Yi,TamKang University,=20 = Taiwan
          &nb= sp;  =20 Proposer:    Kuo-Wei Wu,=20 = Taiwan
          &nb= sp;  =20 Seconder1:   =20 Milton Mueller
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder2:    Ramin Marzbani
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder3:    T C Kao, Taiwan
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder4:    Prof Nian-Shing Chen
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder5:    Bala = Pillai

No.13  =20 Nominee: Tan Tee Jim, Allen & Gledhill, President of the = Singapore Group of the APAA, member of the Copyright = Tribunal and=20 the National Patents Information Centre in=20 = Singapore
          =    =20 Proposer:    Ang Peng Hwa, Singapore
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder:    Lee Ai Ming, Rodyk & = Davidson,=20 Singapore 

No.14    Nominee: = Gabriel=20 Accascina, Programme Manager/Regional Coordinator
of=20 = APDIP
          &nbs= p;  =20 Proposer:    Ramita Sharma
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder1:   Barry Raveendran Greene, Director = APIA
=
           &n= bsp; =20 Seconder2: Cynthia Hor, Advisor, Asia Pacific Development=20 Information Programme, Malaysia

No. 15 Nominee: Dr = Ching-chun=20 Hsieh, Research fellow of the Institute of
Information, = Science,=20 Academia=20 = Sinica
          &nb= sp;   =20 Proposer:   Dr Simon Lin

No. 16   = Nominee: Dr Paul Liu, Prof.,Grauate Institute of Technology=20 and
Innovation Management, National Chengchi=20 = University
          = ;    =20 Proposer:    Dr Simon Lin
 
No. 17    Nominee: Peter Dengate Thrush, = patent=20 attorney, now barrister-sole, specialising in intellectual = property=20 matters, NZ
=
           &n= bsp;   =20 Proposer:    Jim Higgins, President of the = Internet=20 Society of NZ
          &nbs= p;        =20 Seconder:    Roger Hicks, = Director=20 APIA
 
No. 18    Nominee: Harish Pillay, Brokat = Asia,=20 Singapore
=
           &n= bsp;   =20 Proposer:    Laina Raveendran Greene
          &nbs= p;       = Seconder:   =20 Barry Raveendran Greene, Director APIA
 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>Please send in your = support=20 for 2 candidates and if you have = other
>>>nominations,=20 please provide seconders and support if possible, by=20 Monday,
>>17
>>>Aug 98=20 noon.
>>>
>>>Thank=20 = you.
>>>
>>>Regards
>>> =20 eleazer
>>>apia secretariat
>>>apia-sec@apia.org
>>>www.apia.org
>>>tel: &n= bsp; =20 (65)   834  = 2960
>>>fax:  =20 (65)   836 =20 = 2516
>>>
>>>>
>>>>URGENT-=20 names needed by end of this week. (apologies for the=20 = duplicate
>>>postings)
>>>>
>>>>= ;For=20 those of you who follow the White Paper, you would have=20 noticed
under
>>>steps for=20 the
>>>>transition, item 4=20 reads:
>>>>
>>>>"ask WIPO = to=20 convene an open international process to develop a set=20 of
>>>recommendations = for
>>>>trademarks=20 issues"
>>>>
>>>>WIPO is = taking=20 up this recommendation and is convening an=20 international
>>>process to=20 develop
>>>>recommedations concerning = intellectual=20 property issues associated with
>>>Internet=20 domain
>>>>names, including dispute = resolution.=20 Recommendations resulting from the
>>>WIPO = Internet=20 Domain
>>>>Name Process will be made = available to the=20 new organisation that is
being
>>>formed to=20 manage
>>>>the Internet domain name=20 system.
>>>>
>>>>WIPO has = engaged in=20 consultations in order to constitute=20 an
>>internationally
>>>and=20 sectorally
>>>>representative panel of = experts to=20 provide assistance for the=20 WIPO
>>Internet
>>>Domain=20 = Name
>>>>Process.
>>>>
>>>>W= IPO=20 is requesting that the Asia PAcific region nominate two = members=20 to
>>>this panel. If you
>>>>have = suggestions, please pass them to Eleazer, Executive = Secretary=20 of
>>APIA,
>>>and she=20 will
>>>>compile names on a plurality of = nominations=20 basis. We hope that two
names
>>>will arise = out=20 of
>>>>this=20 process.
>>>>
>>>>Thank you = for the=20 participation. We will announce the names,=20 before
>>handing
>>>them in.=20 This
>>>>information is needed ASAP, so = please send=20 the names in by this weekend.
>>>The=20 only
>>>>prerequisites are 1) knowledgeable = of=20 Intellectual Property law,=20 and/or
>2)
>>>Knowledgeable=20 of
>>>>Internet domain name issues ans most=20 importantly, well respected by=20 = the
>>>region.
>>>>
>>>>Thank=20 = you.
>>>>REgards,
>>>>
>>>>L= aina=20 Raveendran Greene
>>>>
>>>>PS = For more=20 information about the WIPO process, please refer=20 to
>>>http://wipo2.wipo.int
>>>&= gt;PPS=20 For your information, APIA has been in the past active in=20 this
>>process,
>>>and=20 has
>>>>represented the view of APIA members = to WIPO=20 (September=20 = 1997)
>>>>
>>>>----------------------------= ---------
>>>>
>>>
>>>------------= -----End=20 of Original=20 = Message-----------------
>>>
>>>-----------------= --------------------
>>>Name:=20 Laina Raveendran Greene
>>>E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg
>>= >Date:=20 15/08/98
>>>Time:=20 10:32:11
>>>
>>>This message was = sent by=20 = Chameleon

------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BDC9F3.BBC7A0A0-- -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 17/08/98 Time: 16:44:17 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 17 20:34:34 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id UAA23596; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:34:34 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from digimail.digitel.net (gn25.web2010.com [209.141.56.25]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA23592 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:34:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from cstubbs ([205.161.225.175]) by digimail.digitel.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# LND-1997L) with SMTP id AAA126; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:34:42 -0400 Message-ID: <00b601bdc9d3$41c73a60$ade1a1cd@cstubbs.mpinet.net> Reply-To: "Ken Stubbs" From: "Ken Stubbs" To: , Subject: Re: Results of nominations Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:36:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk hello out there: pardon my curiosity and ignorance, but why would you allow someone like dr Mueller (who is clearly a resident of the usa and is employed in the usa as well) to participate in a referendum on selection for representatives to wipo from the pacific rim countries. i see his name listed as a "seconder" on both vote lists. this appears to be taking the concept of "open & transparent" a bit to far. i respect dr Mueller's input but have much difficulty understanding the logic of allowing him to vote in a crucial selection process such as this one. it would seem to me that the voters would and should be truly representative of the interests of the area. looking forward to further enlightenment, i remain sincerely yours Ken Stubbs Internet Consulting Chairman - Executive Committee Internet Council Of Registrars (CORE) World trade Center Geneve Switzerland Tel: (011) 41.22.929.57 44 U. S.Tel. 1 (352) 750-9776 U.S. Fax. 1 (352) 750-9569 U.S.Toll Free - 1 (888) 597-2846 e-mail : kstubbs@corenic.org -----Original Message----- From: laina@singnet.com.sg To: apple@apnic.net Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 6:24 AM Subject: Results of nominations > >From: "eleazer" >To: "Laina Greene" , "anr-talk" , > "apia-members" , "apng-all" >, > "apnic-all" , "apnic-talk" >, > "APPLe" , "IFWP-AP attendees" > >Subject: Re: WIPO Panel of Experts - RESULT OF NOMINATIONS >Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:28:50 +0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01BDC9F3.BBC7A0A0" >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BDC9F3.BBC7A0A0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >The 2 nominees who have received the most seconders are :- > > No. 1 Nominee: Roger Hicks, Clear Communications, NZ; = >Director APIA > Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene, Singapore > Seconder1: Milton Mueller > Seconder2: Mathias Koerber > Seconder3: Barry Raveendran Greene, Director APIA > Seconder4: Dr Jin Ho Hur, Chairman APIA > Seconder5: Pensri > > = >Total: 5 seconders > > No.12 Nominee : Dr. Liu Ching-Yi,TamKang University, = >Taiwan > Proposer: Kuo-Wei Wu, Taiwan > Seconder1: Milton Mueller > Seconder2: Ramin Marzbani > Seconder3: T C Kao, Taiwan > Seconder4: Prof Nian-Shing Chen > Seconder5: Bala Pillai > Total: = >5 seconders > >Their names will be submitted as Asia Pacific region's representatives = >on the WIPO Panel of experts. > >Please register your objections, if any, by 12 noon (SGT) on Wednesday, = >19 Aug 98. > >Regards, >eleazer chia >Asia & Pacific Internet Association (APIA) >APIA Secretariat >email: apia-sec@apia.org >url: http://www.apia.org >tel: +65 834-2960 >fax: +65 836-2516 >promoting the common business interests of the region's internet-related = >service industry >~~~ a forum for dialogue, a channel for input ~~~ > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >Procedure for selecting nominees >1 Candidates will be selected on the basis of proposers and by most = >seconders. >2 The two candidates with the highest seconders, will be the ones = >selected and these names will be posted to see for any objections. >3 If there are more than 2 candidates and if there is a tie, then = >their names will be open for voting. > 8th UPDATE OF NOMINATIONS AS OF 17 AUG 98 (1200 noon SGT) > RE: WIPO Panel of Experts > = >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =20 > Deadline for nominations : Monday, noon, 17 Aug 98 = >(Singapore's time) > Nominations received now =3D 18 > =20 > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > No. 1 Nominee: Roger Hicks, Clear Communications, NZ; = >Director APIA > Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene, = >Singapore > Seconder1: Milton Mueller > Seconder2: Mathias Koerber > Seconder3: Barry Raveendran Greene, Director = >APIA > Seconder4: Dr Jin Ho Hur, Chairman APIA > Seconder5: Pensri > =20 > No. 2 Nominee: Laina Raveendran Greene, GetIT Pte Ltd, = >Singapore > Proposer: Nobert Klein, Cambodia > Seconder1: Wynthia Goh > Seconder2: Barry Raveendran Greene, Director = >APIA > =20 > No. 3 Nominee: James Lee, Kent Ridge Digital Labs, = >Singapore > Proposer: Self > =20 > No. 4 Nominee: Rajesh Sreenavasan, Rajah & Tan, Singapore > Proposer: Lau Joon Nie, Singapore > Seconder1: Wynthia Goh > Seconder2: Bala Pillai > =20 > No. 5 Nominee: Gilbert Leong, Legal Officer, Singapore > Proposer: Lau Joon Nie, Singapore > Seconder: Mathias Koerber > =20 > No. 6 Nominee: Charles Lim, Attoney General Chamber, = >Singapore > Proposer : Lau Joon Nie, Singapore > =20 > No. 7 Nominee: Professor Dr Srisakdi Charmonman, APNIC = >Council, Thailand > Proposer: Self > =20 > No. 8 Nominee: Shariya Haniz Zulkifli, MIMOS, Malaysia > Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene > =20 > No. 9 Nominee: Patrick Fair, Philips Fox Lawyers, = >Australia > Proposer: Erika Roberts, Australia > =20 > No.10 Nominee: Patrick J O'Brien, Domainz, NZ > Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene > Seconder: Kanchana Kanchanasut > =20 > No.11 Nominee: Tan Tin Wee, NUS, Singapore > Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene > Seconder1: Kanchana Kanchanasut > Seconder2: Pensri > Seconder3: James Lee, Singapore > Seconder4: Prof. Nian-Shing Chen > =20 > No.12 Nominee : Dr. Liu Ching-Yi,TamKang University, = >Taiwan > Proposer: Kuo-Wei Wu, Taiwan > Seconder1: Milton Mueller > Seconder2: Ramin Marzbani > Seconder3: T C Kao, Taiwan > Seconder4: Prof Nian-Shing Chen > Seconder5: Bala Pillai > =20 > No.13 Nominee: Tan Tee Jim, Allen & Gledhill, President of = >the Singapore Group of the APAA, member of the Copyright Tribunal and = >the National Patents Information Centre in Singapore > Proposer: Ang Peng Hwa, Singapore > Seconder: Lee Ai Ming, Rodyk & Davidson, = >Singapore =20 > =20 > No.14 Nominee: Gabriel Accascina, Programme = >Manager/Regional Coordinator > of APDIP > Proposer: Ramita Sharma > Seconder1: Barry Raveendran Greene, Director = >APIA > Seconder2: Cynthia Hor, Advisor, Asia Pacific = >Development Information Programme, Malaysia > =20 > No. 15 Nominee: Dr Ching-chun Hsieh, Research fellow of the = >Institute of > Information, Science, Academia Sinica > Proposer: Dr Simon Lin > =20 > No. 16 Nominee: Dr Paul Liu, Prof.,Grauate Institute of = >Technology and > Innovation Management, National Chengchi University > Proposer: Dr Simon Lin > =20 > No. 17 Nominee: Peter Dengate Thrush, patent attorney, = >now barrister-sole, specialising in intellectual property matters, NZ > Proposer: Jim Higgins, President of the = >Internet Society of NZ > Seconder: Roger Hicks, Director APIA > =20 > No. 18 Nominee: Harish Pillay, Brokat Asia, Singapore > Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene > Seconder: Barry Raveendran Greene, = >Director APIA > =20 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>>Please send in your support for 2 candidates and if you = >have other > >>>nominations, please provide seconders and support if = >possible, by Monday, > >>17 > >>>Aug 98 noon. > >>> > >>>Thank you. > >>> > >>>Regards > >>> eleazer > >>>apia secretariat > >>>apia-sec@apia.org > >>>www.apia.org > >>>tel: (65) 834 2960 > >>>fax: (65) 836 2516 > >>> > >>>> > >>>>URGENT- names needed by end of this week. (apologies for = >the duplicate > >>>postings) > >>>> > >>>>For those of you who follow the White Paper, you would = >have noticed > under > >>>steps for the > >>>>transition, item 4 reads: > >>>> > >>>>"ask WIPO to convene an open international process to = >develop a set of > >>>recommendations for > >>>>trademarks issues" > >>>> > >>>>WIPO is taking up this recommendation and is convening = >an international > >>>process to develop > >>>>recommedations concerning intellectual property issues = >associated with > >>>Internet domain > >>>>names, including dispute resolution. Recommendations = >resulting from the > >>>WIPO Internet Domain > >>>>Name Process will be made available to the new = >organisation that is > being > >>>formed to manage > >>>>the Internet domain name system. > >>>> > >>>>WIPO has engaged in consultations in order to constitute = >an > >>internationally > >>>and sectorally > >>>>representative panel of experts to provide assistance = >for the WIPO > >>Internet > >>>Domain Name > >>>>Process. > >>>> > >>>>WIPO is requesting that the Asia PAcific region nominate = >two members to > >>>this panel. If you > >>>>have suggestions, please pass them to Eleazer, Executive = >Secretary of > >>APIA, > >>>and she will > >>>>compile names on a plurality of nominations basis. We = >hope that two > names > >>>will arise out of > >>>>this process. > >>>> > >>>>Thank you for the participation. We will announce the = >names, before > >>handing > >>>them in. This > >>>>information is needed ASAP, so please send the names in = >by this weekend. > >>>The only > >>>>prerequisites are 1) knowledgeable of Intellectual = >Property law, and/or > >2) > >>>Knowledgeable of > >>>>Internet domain name issues ans most importantly, well = >respected by the > >>>region. > >>>> > >>>>Thank you. > >>>>REgards, > >>>> > >>>>Laina Raveendran Greene > >>>> > >>>>PS For more information about the WIPO process, please = >refer to > >>>http://wipo2.wipo.int > >>>>PPS For your information, APIA has been in the past = >active in this > >>process, > >>>and has > >>>>represented the view of APIA members to WIPO (September = >1997) > >>>> > >>>>------------------------------------- > >>>> > >>> > >>>-----------------End of Original Message----------------- > >>> > >>>------------------------------------- > >>>Name: Laina Raveendran Greene > >>>E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg > >>>Date: 15/08/98 > >>>Time: 10:32:11 > >>> > >>>This message was sent by Chameleon > =20 > > >------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BDC9F3.BBC7A0A0 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type>HTML//EN">PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">HTML//EN">PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">HTML//EN">PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">HTML//EN"> > > > >
The 2 nominees who have = >received the most=20 >seconders are :-
>
 
>
color=3D#0000ff>         &nb= >sp;  =20 >No. 1    Nominee: Roger Hicks, Clear Communications, = >NZ;=20 >Director=20 >APIA
          &= >nbsp; =20 >Proposer:     Laina Raveendran Greene,=20 >Singapore
          = >  =20 >Seconder1:  Milton=20 >Mueller
          &n= >bsp; =20 >Seconder2:  Mathias Koerber >
face=3D"">          &nb= >sp; =20 >Seconder3:  Barry Raveendran Greene, Director APIA
>
face=3D"">          &nb= >sp; =20 >Seconder4:  Dr Jin Ho Hur, Chairman APIA
>
face=3D"">          &nb= >sp; =20 >Seconder5:  Pensri
>
color=3D#0000ff>         &nb= >sp;           &nbs= >p;            = >;            = >            &= >nbsp;         =20 >Total: 5 seconders
>
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>
face=3D"">          &nb= >sp;  =20 >No.12    Nominee : Dr. Liu Ching-Yi,TamKang = >University,=20 >Taiwan
          = >;   =20 >Proposer:    Kuo-Wei Wu,=20 >Taiwan
          &nb= >sp;  =20 >Seconder1:    Milton Mueller
>
face=3D"">          &nb= >sp;  =20 >Seconder2:    Ramin Marzbani
>
face=3D"">          &nb= >sp;  =20 >Seconder3:    T C Kao, Taiwan
>
face=3D"">          &nb= >sp;  =20 >Seconder4:    Prof Nian-Shing Chen
>
face=3D"">          &nb= >sp;  =20 >Seconder5:    Bala Pillai
>
size=3D2>          &nbs= >p;            = >;            = >            &= >nbsp;           &n= >bsp;    =20 >Total: 5 seconders
>
color=3D#0000ff> 
>
Their names will be submitted = >as Asia=20 >Pacific region's representatives on the WIPO Panel of=20 >experts.
>
color=3D#0000ff> 
>
Please register your = >objections,=20 >if any, by 12 noon (SGT) on Wednesday, 19 Aug 98.
>
color=3D#0000ff> 
>
Regards,
eleazer chia
Asia = >& Pacific=20 >Internet Association (APIA)
APIA Secretariat
email: href=3D"mailto:apia-sec@apia.org">apia-sec@apia.org
url: &nbs= >p;  =20 >href=3D"http://www.apia.org">http://www.apia.org
tel:  &= >nbsp; =20 >+65 834-2960
fax:    +65 836-2516
color=3D#ff0000>promoting the common business interests of the = >region's=20 >internet-related service industry
~~~ a forum for dialogue, a = >channel=20 >for input ~~~
>
color=3D#ff0000> V> >
color=3D#ff0000>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >
>
color=3D#ff0000>
color=3D#000000=20 >size=3D2>Pface=3D"">rocedure for selecting nominees
>
color=3D#0000ff>1    Candidates will be selected on the = >basis of=20 >proposers and by most seconders.
>
color=3D#0000ff>2    The two=20 >candidates with the highest seconders, will be the ones selected and = >these names=20 >will be     posted to see for any = >objections.
>
color=3D#0000ff>3    If there=20 >are more than 2 candidates and if there is a tie, then their names will = >be open=20 >for voting.
>style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: = >5px"> > style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = >PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> > style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = >PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> >
8th=20 > UPDATE OF NOMINATIONS AS = >OF 17 AUG=20 > 98 (1200 noon SGT)
RE: WIPO Panel of=20 > = >Experts
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = >=3D=3D

color=3D#ff0000>Deadline for nominations : Monday, noon, 17 = >Aug 98=20 > (Singapore's time)
color=3D#000000>Nominations received now =3D = >18
>
 
>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
No. 1    = >Nominee: Roger Hicks, Clear=20 > Communications, NZ; Director=20 > = >APIA
           = >; =20 > Proposer:     Laina Raveendran Greene,=20 > = >Singapore
          = >  =20 > Seconder1:  Milton=20 > = >Mueller
          &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder2:  Mathias Koerber
> = >
           &n= >bsp;=20 > Seconder3:  Barry Raveendran Greene, Director = >APIA
> = >
           &n= >bsp;=20 > Seconder4:  Dr Jin Ho Hur, Chairman APIA
> = >
           &n= >bsp;=20 > Seconder5:  Pensri

No. 2    = >Nominee:=20 > Laina Raveendran Greene, GetIT Pte Ltd,=20 > = >Singapore
          = >  =20 > Proposer:    Nobert Klein,=20 > = >Cambodia
          &= >nbsp; =20 > Seconder1:    Wynthia Goh
> = >
           &n= >bsp;=20 > Seconder2:    Barry Raveendran Greene, = >Director=20 > APIA

No. 3    Nominee: James Lee, Kent = >Ridge=20 > Digital Labs,=20 > = >Singapore
          = >  =20 > Proposer:    Self

No. = >4   =20 > Nominee: Rajesh Sreenavasan, Rajah & Tan,=20 > = >Singapore
          = >  =20 > Proposer:  Lau Joon Nie,=20 > = >Singapore
          = >  =20 > Seconder1:    Wynthia Goh
> = >
           &n= >bsp;=20 > Seconder2:    Bala Pillai

No. = >5  =20 > Nominee: Gilbert Leong, Legal Officer,=20 > = >Singapore
          = > =20 > Proposer:    Lau Joon Nie,=20 > = >Singapore
          = > =20 > Seconder:   Mathias Koerber

No. = >6  =20 > Nominee: Charles Lim, Attoney General Chamber,=20 > = >Singapore
          = > =20 > Proposer :    Lau Joon Nie, = >Singapore

No.=20 > 7    Nominee: Professor Dr Srisakdi = >Charmonman, APNIC=20 > Council,=20 > = >Thailand
          &= >nbsp; =20 > Proposer:    Self

No.=20 > 8     Nominee: Shariya Haniz Zulkifli, = >MIMOS,=20 > = >Malaysia
          &= >nbsp;  =20 > Proposer:    Laina Raveendran = >Greene

No.=20 > 9     Nominee: Patrick Fair, Philips Fox = > > Lawyers,=20 > = >Australia
          = >   =20 > Proposer:     Erika Roberts,=20 > Australia

No.10    Nominee: Patrick J = >O'Brien,=20 > Domainz,=20 > = >NZ
           &= >nbsp; =20 > Proposer:    Laina Raveendran=20 > = >Greene
          &nb= >sp;  =20 > Seconder:   Kanchana=20 > Kanchanasut

No.11    Nominee: Tan Tin = >Wee,=20 > NUS,=20 > = >Singapore
          = >   =20 > Proposer:    Laina Raveendran=20 > = >Greene
          &nb= >sp;  =20 > Seconder1:    Kanchana Kanchanasut
> = >
           &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder2:    Pensri
> = >
           &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder3:    James Lee, Singapore
> = >
           &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder4:    Prof. Nian-Shing=20 > Chen

No.12    Nominee : Dr. Liu=20 > Ching-Yi,TamKang University,=20 > = >Taiwan
          &nb= >sp;  =20 > Proposer:    Kuo-Wei Wu,=20 > = >Taiwan
          &nb= >sp;  =20 > Secondersize=3D2>1:   =20 > Milton Mueller
> = >
           &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder2:    Ramin Marzbani
> = >
           &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder3:    T C Kao, Taiwan
> = >
           &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder4:    Prof Nian-Shing Chen
> = >
           &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder5:    Bala = >Pillai

No.13  =20 > Nominee: Tan Tee Jim, Allen & Gledhill, President of the = > > Singapore Group of the APAA, member of the Copyright = >Tribunal and=20 > the National Patents Information Centre in=20 > = >Singapore
          = >   =20 > Proposer:    Ang Peng Hwa, Singapore
> = >
           &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder:    Lee Ai Ming, Rodyk & = >Davidson,=20 > Singapore 

No.14    Nominee: = >Gabriel=20 > Accascina, Programme Manager/Regional Coordinator
of=20 > = >APDIP
          &nbs= >p;  =20 > Proposer:    Ramita Sharma
> = >
           &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder1:   Barry Raveendran Greene, Director = >APIA
> = >
           &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder2: Cynthia Hor, Advisor, Asia Pacific Development=20 > Information Programme, Malaysia

No. 15 Nominee: Dr = >Ching-chun=20 > Hsieh, Research fellow of the Institute of
Information, = >Science,=20 > Academia=20 > = >Sinica
          &nb= >sp;   =20 > Proposer:   Dr Simon Lin

No. 16   = > > Nominee: Dr Paul Liu, Prof.,Grauate Institute of Technology=20 > and
Innovation Management, National Chengchi=20 > = >University
          = >;    =20 > Proposer:    Dr Simon Lin
>
 
>
No. 17    Nominee: Peter Dengate Thrush, = >patent=20 > attorney, now barrister-sole, specialising in intellectual = >property=20 > matters, NZ
> = >
           &n= >bsp;   =20 > Proposer:    Jim Higgins, President of the = >Internet=20 > Society of NZ
>
= >size=3D2>          &nbs= >p;        =20 > Seconder:    Roger Hicks, = >Director=20 > APIA
>
 
>
No. 18    Nominee: Harish Pillay, Brokat = >Asia,=20 > Singapore
> = >
           &n= >bsp;   =20 > Proposer:    Laina Raveendran Greene
>
= >size=3D2>          &nbs= >p;  size=3D3>      = >Seconder:   =20 > Barry Raveendran Greene, Director APIA
>
 
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>Please send in your = >support=20 > for 2 candidates and if you have = >other
>>>nominations,=20 > please provide seconders and support if possible, by=20 > Monday,
>>17
>>>Aug 98=20 > noon.
>>>
>>>Thank=20 > = >you.
>>>
>>>Regards
>>> =20 > eleazer
>>>apia secretariat
>>> = >href=3D"mailto:apia-sec@apia.org">apia-sec@apia.org
>>>=20 > = >href=3D"http://www.apia.org">www.apia.org
>>>tel: &n= >bsp; =20 > (65)   834  = >2960
>>>fax:  =20 > (65)   836 =20 > = >2516
>>>
>>>>
>>>>URGENT-=20 > names needed by end of this week. (apologies for the=20 > = >duplicate
>>>postings)
>>>>
>>>>= >;For=20 > those of you who follow the White Paper, you would have=20 > noticed
under
>>>steps for=20 > the
>>>>transition, item 4=20 > reads:
>>>>
>>>>"ask WIPO = >to=20 > convene an open international process to develop a set=20 > of
>>>recommendations = >for
>>>>trademarks=20 > issues"
>>>>
>>>>WIPO is = >taking=20 > up this recommendation and is convening an=20 > international
>>>process to=20 > develop
>>>>recommedations concerning = >intellectual=20 > property issues associated with
>>>Internet=20 > domain
>>>>names, including dispute = >resolution.=20 > Recommendations resulting from the
>>>WIPO = >Internet=20 > Domain
>>>>Name Process will be made = >available to the=20 > new organisation that is
being
>>>formed to=20 > manage
>>>>the Internet domain name=20 > system.
>>>>
>>>>WIPO has = >engaged in=20 > consultations in order to constitute=20 > an
>>internationally
>>>and=20 > sectorally
>>>>representative panel of = >experts to=20 > provide assistance for the=20 > WIPO
>>Internet
>>>Domain=20 > = >Name
>>>>Process.
>>>>
>>>>W= >IPO=20 > is requesting that the Asia PAcific region nominate two = >members=20 > to
>>>this panel. If you
>>>>have = > > suggestions, please pass them to Eleazer, Executive = >Secretary=20 > of
>>APIA,
>>>and she=20 > will
>>>>compile names on a plurality of = >nominations=20 > basis. We hope that two
names
>>>will arise = >out=20 > of
>>>>this=20 > process.
>>>>
>>>>Thank you = >for the=20 > participation. We will announce the names,=20 > before
>>handing
>>>them in.=20 > This
>>>>information is needed ASAP, so = >please send=20 > the names in by this weekend.
>>>The=20 > only
>>>>prerequisites are 1) knowledgeable = >of=20 > Intellectual Property law,=20 > and/or
>2)
>>>Knowledgeable=20 > of
>>>>Internet domain name issues ans most=20 > importantly, well respected by=20 > = >the
>>>region.
>>>>
>>>>Thank=20 > = >you.
>>>>REgards,
>>>>
>>>>L= >aina=20 > Raveendran Greene
>>>>
>>>>PS = >For more=20 > information about the WIPO process, please refer=20 > to
>>> = >href=3D"http://wipo2.wipo.int">http://wipo2.wipo.int
>>>&= >gt;PPS=20 > For your information, APIA has been in the past active in=20 > this
>>process,
>>>and=20 > has
>>>>represented the view of APIA members = >to WIPO=20 > (September=20 > = >1997)
>>>>
>>>>----------------------------= >---------
>>>>
>>>
>>>------------= >-----End=20 > of Original=20 > = >Message-----------------
>>>
>>>-----------------= >--------------------
>>>Name:=20 > Laina Raveendran Greene
>>>E-mail: = >href=3D"mailto:laina@singnet.com.sg">laina@singnet.com.sg
>>= >>Date:=20 > 15/08/98
>>>Time:=20 > 10:32:11
>>>
>>>This message was = >sent by=20 > = >Chameleon

ML> > >------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BDC9F3.BBC7A0A0-- > >-----------------End of Original Message----------------- > >------------------------------------- >Name: Laina Raveendran Greene >E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg >Date: 17/08/98 >Time: 16:44:17 > >This message was sent by Chameleon >------------------------------------- > >* APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 17 21:03:33 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id VAA23646; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:03:33 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA23642 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:03:16 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas1117.singnet.com.sg [165.21.58.147]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA24759; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:05:48 +0800 (SGT) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 98 20:05:34 Subject: Re: Results of nominations To: apple@apnic.net, laina@singnet.com.sg, Ken Stubbs Cc: eleazer@pacific.net.sg X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Good point. I shall reassess, but in any case, since it was in both the candidates, it should not matter much since they both clearly got the most support. I shall ask Eleazer to reassess to see if it makes a difference. Laina RG PS Eleazer, do check if we remove Milton from the votes, are there any others who should have come forth? --- On Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:36:12 -0400 Ken Stubbs wrote: hello out there: pardon my curiosity and ignorance, but why would you allow someone like dr Mueller (who is clearly a resident of the usa and is employed in the usa as well) to participate in a referendum on selection for representatives to wipo from the pacific rim countries. i see his name listed as a "seconder" on both vote lists. this appears to be taking the concept of "open & transparent" a bit to far. i respect dr Mueller's input but have much difficulty understanding the logic of allowing him to vote in a crucial selection process such as this one. it would seem to me that the voters would and should be truly representative of the interests of the area. looking forward to further enlightenment, i remain sincerely yours Ken Stubbs Internet Consulting Chairman - Executive Committee Internet Council Of Registrars (CORE) World trade Center Geneve Switzerland Tel: (011) 41.22.929.57 44 U. S.Tel. 1 (352) 750-9776 U.S. Fax. 1 (352) 750-9569 U.S.Toll Free - 1 (888) 597-2846 e-mail : kstubbs@corenic.org -----Original Message----- From: laina@singnet.com.sg To: apple@apnic.net Date: Monday, August 17, 1998 6:24 AM Subject: Results of nominations > >From: "eleazer" >To: "Laina Greene" , "anr-talk" , > "apia-members" , "apng-all" >, > "apnic-all" , "apnic-talk" >, > "APPLe" , "IFWP-AP attendees" > >Subject: Re: WIPO Panel of Experts - RESULT OF NOMINATIONS >Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:28:50 +0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01BDC9F3.BBC7A0A0" >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BDC9F3.BBC7A0A0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >The 2 nominees who have received the most seconders are :- > > No. 1 Nominee: Roger Hicks, Clear Communications, NZ; = >Director APIA > Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene, Singapore > Seconder1: Milton Mueller > Seconder2: Mathias Koerber > Seconder3: Barry Raveendran Greene, Director APIA > Seconder4: Dr Jin Ho Hur, Chairman APIA > Seconder5: Pensri > > = >Total: 5 seconders > > No.12 Nominee : Dr. Liu Ching-Yi,TamKang University, = >Taiwan > Proposer: Kuo-Wei Wu, Taiwan > Seconder1: Milton Mueller > Seconder2: Ramin Marzbani > Seconder3: T C Kao, Taiwan > Seconder4: Prof Nian-Shing Chen > Seconder5: Bala Pillai > Total: = >5 seconders > >Their names will be submitted as Asia Pacific region's representatives = >on the WIPO Panel of experts. > >Please register your objections, if any, by 12 noon (SGT) on Wednesday, = >19 Aug 98. > >Regards, >eleazer chia >Asia & Pacific Internet Association (APIA) >APIA Secretariat >email: apia-sec@apia.org >url: http://www.apia.org >tel: +65 834-2960 >fax: +65 836-2516 >promoting the common business interests of the region's internet-related = >service industry >~~~ a forum for dialogue, a channel for input ~~~ > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >Procedure for selecting nominees >1 Candidates will be selected on the basis of proposers and by most = >seconders. >2 The two candidates with the highest seconders, will be the ones = >selected and these names will be posted to see for any objections. >3 If there are more than 2 candidates and if there is a tie, then = >their names will be open for voting. > 8th UPDATE OF NOMINATIONS AS OF 17 AUG 98 (1200 noon SGT) > RE: WIPO Panel of Experts > = >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =20 > Deadline for nominations : Monday, noon, 17 Aug 98 = >(Singapore's time) > Nominations received now =3D 18 > =20 > =20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > No. 1 Nominee: Roger Hicks, Clear Communications, NZ; = >Director APIA > Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene, = >Singapore > Seconder1: Milton Mueller > Seconder2: Mathias Koerber > Seconder3: Barry Raveendran Greene, Director = >APIA > Seconder4: Dr Jin Ho Hur, Chairman APIA > Seconder5: Pensri > =20 > No. 2 Nominee: Laina Raveendran Greene, GetIT Pte Ltd, = >Singapore > Proposer: Nobert Klein, Cambodia > Seconder1: Wynthia Goh > Seconder2: Barry Raveendran Greene, Director = >APIA > =20 > No. 3 Nominee: James Lee, Kent Ridge Digital Labs, = >Singapore > Proposer: Self > =20 > No. 4 Nominee: Rajesh Sreenavasan, Rajah & Tan, Singapore > Proposer: Lau Joon Nie, Singapore > Seconder1: Wynthia Goh > Seconder2: Bala Pillai > =20 > No. 5 Nominee: Gilbert Leong, Legal Officer, Singapore > Proposer: Lau Joon Nie, Singapore > Seconder: Mathias Koerber > =20 > No. 6 Nominee: Charles Lim, Attoney General Chamber, = >Singapore > Proposer : Lau Joon Nie, Singapore > =20 > No. 7 Nominee: Professor Dr Srisakdi Charmonman, APNIC = >Council, Thailand > Proposer: Self > =20 > No. 8 Nominee: Shariya Haniz Zulkifli, MIMOS, Malaysia > Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene > =20 > No. 9 Nominee: Patrick Fair, Philips Fox Lawyers, = >Australia > Proposer: Erika Roberts, Australia > =20 > No.10 Nominee: Patrick J O'Brien, Domainz, NZ > Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene > Seconder: Kanchana Kanchanasut > =20 > No.11 Nominee: Tan Tin Wee, NUS, Singapore > Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene > Seconder1: Kanchana Kanchanasut > Seconder2: Pensri > Seconder3: James Lee, Singapore > Seconder4: Prof. Nian-Shing Chen > =20 > No.12 Nominee : Dr. Liu Ching-Yi,TamKang University, = >Taiwan > Proposer: Kuo-Wei Wu, Taiwan > Seconder1: Milton Mueller > Seconder2: Ramin Marzbani > Seconder3: T C Kao, Taiwan > Seconder4: Prof Nian-Shing Chen > Seconder5: Bala Pillai > =20 > No.13 Nominee: Tan Tee Jim, Allen & Gledhill, President of = >the Singapore Group of the APAA, member of the Copyright Tribunal and = >the National Patents Information Centre in Singapore > Proposer: Ang Peng Hwa, Singapore > Seconder: Lee Ai Ming, Rodyk & Davidson, = >Singapore =20 > =20 > No.14 Nominee: Gabriel Accascina, Programme = >Manager/Regional Coordinator > of APDIP > Proposer: Ramita Sharma > Seconder1: Barry Raveendran Greene, Director = >APIA > Seconder2: Cynthia Hor, Advisor, Asia Pacific = >Development Information Programme, Malaysia > =20 > No. 15 Nominee: Dr Ching-chun Hsieh, Research fellow of the = >Institute of > Information, Science, Academia Sinica > Proposer: Dr Simon Lin > =20 > No. 16 Nominee: Dr Paul Liu, Prof.,Grauate Institute of = >Technology and > Innovation Management, National Chengchi University > Proposer: Dr Simon Lin > =20 > No. 17 Nominee: Peter Dengate Thrush, patent attorney, = >now barrister-sole, specialising in intellectual property matters, NZ > Proposer: Jim Higgins, President of the = >Internet Society of NZ > Seconder: Roger Hicks, Director APIA > =20 > No. 18 Nominee: Harish Pillay, Brokat Asia, Singapore > Proposer: Laina Raveendran Greene > Seconder: Barry Raveendran Greene, = >Director APIA > =20 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>>Please send in your support for 2 candidates and if you = >have other > >>>nominations, please provide seconders and support if = >possible, by Monday, > >>17 > >>>Aug 98 noon. > >>> > >>>Thank you. > >>> > >>>Regards > >>> eleazer > >>>apia secretariat > >>>apia-sec@apia.org > >>>www.apia.org > >>>tel: (65) 834 2960 > >>>fax: (65) 836 2516 > >>> > >>>> > >>>>URGENT- names needed by end of this week. (apologies for = >the duplicate > >>>postings) > >>>> > >>>>For those of you who follow the White Paper, you would = >have noticed > under > >>>steps for the > >>>>transition, item 4 reads: > >>>> > >>>>"ask WIPO to convene an open international process to = >develop a set of > >>>recommendations for > >>>>trademarks issues" > >>>> > >>>>WIPO is taking up this recommendation and is convening = >an international > >>>process to develop > >>>>recommedations concerning intellectual property issues = >associated with > >>>Internet domain > >>>>names, including dispute resolution. Recommendations = >resulting from the > >>>WIPO Internet Domain > >>>>Name Process will be made available to the new = >organisation that is > being > >>>formed to manage > >>>>the Internet domain name system. > >>>> > >>>>WIPO has engaged in consultations in order to constitute = >an > >>internationally > >>>and sectorally > >>>>representative panel of experts to provide assistance = >for the WIPO > >>Internet > >>>Domain Name > >>>>Process. > >>>> > >>>>WIPO is requesting that the Asia PAcific region nominate = >two members to > >>>this panel. If you > >>>>have suggestions, please pass them to Eleazer, Executive = >Secretary of > >>APIA, > >>>and she will > >>>>compile names on a plurality of nominations basis. We = >hope that two > names > >>>will arise out of > >>>>this process. > >>>> > >>>>Thank you for the participation. We will announce the = >names, before > >>handing > >>>them in. This > >>>>information is needed ASAP, so please send the names in = >by this weekend. > >>>The only > >>>>prerequisites are 1) knowledgeable of Intellectual = >Property law, and/or > >2) > >>>Knowledgeable of > >>>>Internet domain name issues ans most importantly, well = >respected by the > >>>region. > >>>> > >>>>Thank you. > >>>>REgards, > >>>> > >>>>Laina Raveendran Greene > >>>> > >>>>PS For more information about the WIPO process, please = >refer to > >>>http://wipo2.wipo.int > >>>>PPS For your information, APIA has been in the past = >active in this > >>process, > >>>and has > >>>>represented the view of APIA members to WIPO (September = >1997) > >>>> > >>>>------------------------------------- > >>>> > >>> > >>>-----------------End of Original Message----------------- > >>> > >>>------------------------------------- > >>>Name: Laina Raveendran Greene > >>>E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg > >>>Date: 15/08/98 > >>>Time: 10:32:11 > >>> > >>>This message was sent by Chameleon > =20 > > >------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BDC9F3.BBC7A0A0 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type>HTML//EN">PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">HTML//EN">PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">HTML//EN">PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">HTML//EN"> > > > >
The 2 nominees who have = >received the most=20 >seconders are :-
>
 
>
color=3D#0000ff>         &nb= >sp;  =20 >No. 1    Nominee: Roger Hicks, Clear Communications, = >NZ;=20 >Director=20 >APIA
          &= >nbsp; =20 >Proposer:     Laina Raveendran Greene,=20 >Singapore
          = >  =20 >Seconder1:  Milton=20 >Mueller
          &n= >bsp; =20 >Seconder2:  Mathias Koerber >
face=3D"">          &nb= >sp; =20 >Seconder3:  Barry Raveendran Greene, Director APIA
>
face=3D"">          &nb= >sp; =20 >Seconder4:  Dr Jin Ho Hur, Chairman APIA
>
face=3D"">          &nb= >sp; =20 >Seconder5:  Pensri
>
color=3D#0000ff>         &nb= >sp;           &nbs= >p;            = >;            = >            &= >nbsp;         =20 >Total: 5 seconders
>
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>
face=3D"">          &nb= >sp;  =20 >No.12    Nominee : Dr. Liu Ching-Yi,TamKang = >University,=20 >Taiwan
          = >;   =20 >Proposer:    Kuo-Wei Wu,=20 >Taiwan
          &nb= >sp;  =20 >Seconder1:    Milton Mueller
>
face=3D"">          &nb= >sp;  =20 >Seconder2:    Ramin Marzbani
>
face=3D"">          &nb= >sp;  =20 >Seconder3:    T C Kao, Taiwan
>
face=3D"">          &nb= >sp;  =20 >Seconder4:    Prof Nian-Shing Chen
>
face=3D"">          &nb= >sp;  =20 >Seconder5:    Bala Pillai
>
size=3D2>          &nbs= >p;            = >;            = >            &= >nbsp;           &n= >bsp;    =20 >Total: 5 seconders
>
color=3D#0000ff> 
>
Their names will be submitted = >as Asia=20 >Pacific region's representatives on the WIPO Panel of=20 >experts.
>
color=3D#0000ff> 
>
Please register your = >objections,=20 >if any, by 12 noon (SGT) on Wednesday, 19 Aug 98.
>
color=3D#0000ff> 
>
Regards,
eleazer chia
Asia = >& Pacific=20 >Internet Association (APIA)
APIA Secretariat
email: href=3D"mailto:apia-sec@apia.org">apia-sec@apia.org
url: &nbs= >p;  =20 >href=3D"http://www.apia.org">http://www.apia.org
tel:  &= >nbsp; =20 >+65 834-2960
fax:    +65 836-2516
color=3D#ff0000>promoting the common business interests of the = >region's=20 >internet-related service industry
~~~ a forum for dialogue, a = >channel=20 >for input ~~~
>
color=3D#ff0000> V> >
color=3D#ff0000>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= >
>
color=3D#ff0000>
color=3D#000000=20 >size=3D2>Pface=3D"">rocedure for selecting nominees
>
color=3D#0000ff>1    Candidates will be selected on the = >basis of=20 >proposers and by most seconders.
>
color=3D#0000ff>2    The two=20 >candidates with the highest seconders, will be the ones selected and = >these names=20 >will be     posted to see for any = >objections.
>
color=3D#0000ff>3    If there=20 >are more than 2 candidates and if there is a tie, then their names will = >be open=20 >for voting.
>style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: = >5px"> > style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = >PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> > style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = >PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> >
8th=20 > UPDATE OF NOMINATIONS AS = >OF 17 AUG=20 > 98 (1200 noon SGT)
RE: WIPO Panel of=20 > = >Experts
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = >=3D=3D

color=3D#ff0000>Deadline for nominations : Monday, noon, 17 = >Aug 98=20 > (Singapore's time)
color=3D#000000>Nominations received now =3D = >18
>
 
>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
No. 1    = >Nominee: Roger Hicks, Clear=20 > Communications, NZ; Director=20 > = >APIA
           = >; =20 > Proposer:     Laina Raveendran Greene,=20 > = >Singapore
          = >  =20 > Seconder1:  Milton=20 > = >Mueller
          &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder2:  Mathias Koerber
> = >
           &n= >bsp;=20 > Seconder3:  Barry Raveendran Greene, Director = >APIA
> = >
           &n= >bsp;=20 > Seconder4:  Dr Jin Ho Hur, Chairman APIA
> = >
           &n= >bsp;=20 > Seconder5:  Pensri

No. 2    = >Nominee:=20 > Laina Raveendran Greene, GetIT Pte Ltd,=20 > = >Singapore
          = >  =20 > Proposer:    Nobert Klein,=20 > = >Cambodia
          &= >nbsp; =20 > Seconder1:    Wynthia Goh
> = >
           &n= >bsp;=20 > Seconder2:    Barry Raveendran Greene, = >Director=20 > APIA

No. 3    Nominee: James Lee, Kent = >Ridge=20 > Digital Labs,=20 > = >Singapore
          = >  =20 > Proposer:    Self

No. = >4   =20 > Nominee: Rajesh Sreenavasan, Rajah & Tan,=20 > = >Singapore
          = >  =20 > Proposer:  Lau Joon Nie,=20 > = >Singapore
          = >  =20 > Seconder1:    Wynthia Goh
> = >
           &n= >bsp;=20 > Seconder2:    Bala Pillai

No. = >5  =20 > Nominee: Gilbert Leong, Legal Officer,=20 > = >Singapore
          = > =20 > Proposer:    Lau Joon Nie,=20 > = >Singapore
          = > =20 > Seconder:   Mathias Koerber

No. = >6  =20 > Nominee: Charles Lim, Attoney General Chamber,=20 > = >Singapore
          = > =20 > Proposer :    Lau Joon Nie, = >Singapore

No.=20 > 7    Nominee: Professor Dr Srisakdi = >Charmonman, APNIC=20 > Council,=20 > = >Thailand
          &= >nbsp; =20 > Proposer:    Self

No.=20 > 8     Nominee: Shariya Haniz Zulkifli, = >MIMOS,=20 > = >Malaysia
          &= >nbsp;  =20 > Proposer:    Laina Raveendran = >Greene

No.=20 > 9     Nominee: Patrick Fair, Philips Fox = > > Lawyers,=20 > = >Australia
          = >   =20 > Proposer:     Erika Roberts,=20 > Australia

No.10    Nominee: Patrick J = >O'Brien,=20 > Domainz,=20 > = >NZ
           &= >nbsp; =20 > Proposer:    Laina Raveendran=20 > = >Greene
          &nb= >sp;  =20 > Seconder:   Kanchana=20 > Kanchanasut

No.11    Nominee: Tan Tin = >Wee,=20 > NUS,=20 > = >Singapore
          = >   =20 > Proposer:    Laina Raveendran=20 > = >Greene
          &nb= >sp;  =20 > Seconder1:    Kanchana Kanchanasut
> = >
           &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder2:    Pensri
> = >
           &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder3:    James Lee, Singapore
> = >
           &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder4:    Prof. Nian-Shing=20 > Chen

No.12    Nominee : Dr. Liu=20 > Ching-Yi,TamKang University,=20 > = >Taiwan
          &nb= >sp;  =20 > Proposer:    Kuo-Wei Wu,=20 > = >Taiwan
          &nb= >sp;  =20 > Secondersize=3D2>1:   =20 > Milton Mueller
> = >
           &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder2:    Ramin Marzbani
> = >
           &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder3:    T C Kao, Taiwan
> = >
           &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder4:    Prof Nian-Shing Chen
> = >
           &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder5:    Bala = >Pillai

No.13  =20 > Nominee: Tan Tee Jim, Allen & Gledhill, President of the = > > Singapore Group of the APAA, member of the Copyright = >Tribunal and=20 > the National Patents Information Centre in=20 > = >Singapore
          = >   =20 > Proposer:    Ang Peng Hwa, Singapore
> = >
           &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder:    Lee Ai Ming, Rodyk & = >Davidson,=20 > Singapore 

No.14    Nominee: = >Gabriel=20 > Accascina, Programme Manager/Regional Coordinator
of=20 > = >APDIP
          &nbs= >p;  =20 > Proposer:    Ramita Sharma
> = >
           &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder1:   Barry Raveendran Greene, Director = >APIA
> = >
           &n= >bsp; =20 > Seconder2: Cynthia Hor, Advisor, Asia Pacific Development=20 > Information Programme, Malaysia

No. 15 Nominee: Dr = >Ching-chun=20 > Hsieh, Research fellow of the Institute of
Information, = >Science,=20 > Academia=20 > = >Sinica
          &nb= >sp;   =20 > Proposer:   Dr Simon Lin

No. 16   = > > Nominee: Dr Paul Liu, Prof.,Grauate Institute of Technology=20 > and
Innovation Management, National Chengchi=20 > = >University
          = >;    =20 > Proposer:    Dr Simon Lin
>
 
>
No. 17    Nominee: Peter Dengate Thrush, = >patent=20 > attorney, now barrister-sole, specialising in intellectual = >property=20 > matters, NZ
> = >
           &n= >bsp;   =20 > Proposer:    Jim Higgins, President of the = >Internet=20 > Society of NZ
>
= >size=3D2>          &nbs= >p;        =20 > Seconder:    Roger Hicks, = >Director=20 > APIA
>
 
>
No. 18    Nominee: Harish Pillay, Brokat = >Asia,=20 > Singapore
> = >
           &n= >bsp;   =20 > Proposer:    Laina Raveendran Greene
>
= >size=3D2>          &nbs= >p;  size=3D3>      = >Seconder:   =20 > Barry Raveendran Greene, Director APIA
>
 
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>Please send in your = >support=20 > for 2 candidates and if you have = >other
>>>nominations,=20 > please provide seconders and support if possible, by=20 > Monday,
>>17
>>>Aug 98=20 > noon.
>>>
>>>Thank=20 > = >you.
>>>
>>>Regards
>>> =20 > eleazer
>>>apia secretariat
>>> = >href=3D"mailto:apia-sec@apia.org">apia-sec@apia.org
>>>=20 > = >href=3D"http://www.apia.org">www.apia.org
>>>tel: &n= >bsp; =20 > (65)   834  = >2960
>>>fax:  =20 > (65)   836 =20 > = >2516
>>>
>>>>
>>>>URGENT-=20 > names needed by end of this week. (apologies for the=20 > = >duplicate
>>>postings)
>>>>
>>>>= >;For=20 > those of you who follow the White Paper, you would have=20 > noticed
under
>>>steps for=20 > the
>>>>transition, item 4=20 > reads:
>>>>
>>>>"ask WIPO = >to=20 > convene an open international process to develop a set=20 > of
>>>recommendations = >for
>>>>trademarks=20 > issues"
>>>>
>>>>WIPO is = >taking=20 > up this recommendation and is convening an=20 > international
>>>process to=20 > develop
>>>>recommedations concerning = >intellectual=20 > property issues associated with
>>>Internet=20 > domain
>>>>names, including dispute = >resolution.=20 > Recommendations resulting from the
>>>WIPO = >Internet=20 > Domain
>>>>Name Process will be made = >available to the=20 > new organisation that is
being
>>>formed to=20 > manage
>>>>the Internet domain name=20 > system.
>>>>
>>>>WIPO has = >engaged in=20 > consultations in order to constitute=20 > an
>>internationally
>>>and=20 > sectorally
>>>>representative panel of = >experts to=20 > provide assistance for the=20 > WIPO
>>Internet
>>>Domain=20 > = >Name
>>>>Process.
>>>>
>>>>W= >IPO=20 > is requesting that the Asia PAcific region nominate two = >members=20 > to
>>>this panel. If you
>>>>have = > > suggestions, please pass them to Eleazer, Executive = >Secretary=20 > of
>>APIA,
>>>and she=20 > will
>>>>compile names on a plurality of = >nominations=20 > basis. We hope that two
names
>>>will arise = >out=20 > of
>>>>this=20 > process.
>>>>
>>>>Thank you = >for the=20 > participation. We will announce the names,=20 > before
>>handing
>>>them in.=20 > This
>>>>information is needed ASAP, so = >please send=20 > the names in by this weekend.
>>>The=20 > only
>>>>prerequisites are 1) knowledgeable = >of=20 > Intellectual Property law,=20 > and/or
>2)
>>>Knowledgeable=20 > of
>>>>Internet domain name issues ans most=20 > importantly, well respected by=20 > = >the
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>>>>REgards,
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>>>>L= >aina=20 > Raveendran Greene
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>>>>PS = >For more=20 > information about the WIPO process, please refer=20 > to
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>>>&= >gt;PPS=20 > For your information, APIA has been in the past active in=20 > this
>>process,
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>>>>represented the view of APIA members = >to WIPO=20 > (September=20 > = >1997)
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>>>Name:=20 > Laina Raveendran Greene
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>>= >>Date:=20 > 15/08/98
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ML> > >------=_NextPart_000_0023_01BDC9F3.BBC7A0A0-- > >-----------------End of Original Message----------------- > >------------------------------------- >Name: Laina Raveendran Greene >E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg >Date: 17/08/98 >Time: 16:44:17 > >This message was sent by Chameleon >------------------------------------- > >* APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * > -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 17/08/98 Time: 20:05:34 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 17 21:28:12 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id VAA23692; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:28:12 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from armstrong.apic.net (armstrong.apic.net [203.22.101.2]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA23688 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:28:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from boss.apic.net (boss.apic.net [203.22.102.40]) by armstrong.apic.net (8.8.7/APIC-2.1) with SMTP id WAA02560; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:29:15 +1000 (EST) X-Org: The Asia Pacific Internet Company Pty. Ltd. X-URL: http://www.apic.net/ Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980817222954.00e852c4@mail.apic.net> X-Sender: bala@mail.apic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:29:54 +1000 To: "Ken Stubbs" , , From: Bala Pillai Subject: Re: Results of nominations In-Reply-To: <00b601bdc9d3$41c73a60$ade1a1cd@cstubbs.mpinet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk At 07:36 AM 8/17/98 -0400, Ken Stubbs wrote: >pardon my curiosity and ignorance, but why would you allow someone like dr >Mueller (who is clearly a resident of the usa and is employed in the usa as >well) to participate in a referendum on selection for representatives to >wipo from the pacific rim countries. i see his name listed as a "seconder" >on both vote lists. > >this appears to be taking the concept of "open & transparent" a bit to far. >i respect dr Mueller's input but have much difficulty understanding the >logic of allowing him to vote in a crucial selection process such as this >one. it would seem to me that the voters would and should be truly >representative of the interests of the area. Ken, IMHO it is because this is more an informal rather than a legalistic process. Having said that, Dr Mueller, up to quite recently, was based in Hong Kong. Furthermore, many in Asia will vouch that he has a much more pan-Asian outlook than many in Asia itself - and understandably so. Many in Asia will agree that "Asia" (as compared to say Europe) is quite a misnomer. It may be politically correct to exclude him from the voting. But where does this bar stop. Only those who are nationals of this region can vote? What about foreign nationals resident here? What if they just moved here last week? Should we check their residency/nationality first? There are pros and cons to any informal process and in the long term the selection process should be more formal. But for now, and for this, given the circumstances, I think allowing Dr Mueller to vote makes sense. cheers../bala Bala Pillai Sydney, Australia p.s. I'm using "Asia" as a short-form for Asia, Australia, New Zealand and Oceania bala pillai* bala@sydney.net*the asia pacific internet co, sydney O N L I N E E M P O W E R E D C O M M U N I T I E S for info send blank ph:+61 2 9419 5333 fax: + 61 2 9419 5155 * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 17 21:48:00 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id VAA23751; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:48:00 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from iron.singnet.com.sg (iron.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.29]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA23747 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:47:53 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas1117.singnet.com.sg [165.21.58.147]) by iron.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA25195 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:50:35 +0800 (SGT) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 98 20:38:35 Subject: Re: Results of nominations To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Dear Bala, Given as much Bala, was hoping you and others can suggest "a more formal" process. It would help for future nominations processes. Could you send them to me, and I encourage others to do so a well, so I can compile the ideas offline to avoid long discussion of this on the list. I can then offer the compiled results for further consultation. At the AP-IFWP I was trying to get suggestions from others on how we should proceed and received none, so I took the steps I did- i.e. to do it through the APIA Secretariat. I was involved, as I was asked by WIPO to submit two names, since I participated on behalf of APIA at the WIPO meeting last year on trademarks and domain names. I was pretty vocal about the issues, and I also stressed the need to be sensitive to developing country needs (considering trademarks but not presuming it since this would reduce the scalability of domain names), and cultural issues of differing trademark and legal traditions and language implications of domain names.(if you would like copies of APIA submission to WIPO, please let me know) Since we currently do not have a formal mechanism or point of contact for the region, WIPO naturally went to someone they knew and was visible, such as myself. One formal method would have been to get APNIC and APIA to nominate to represent their organisations (since they are the only incorporated entities), but since APNG, APPLe, APccTLD, etc are still not incorporated and do have their own constituencies and since the requirement was "someone respected in the region" and knowledgeable, I did not want to presume that these organisations alone was enough. That is why the informal process was taken. Certainly better than just picking out names from whom I know alone too. But you are right, that we need more procedures to avoid misunderstandings and certainty of who can vote and how, etc. Nevertheless, I am VERY encouraged by the process we just went through since many more new names came up. The AP organisations in this region need some new faces, and new enthusiasm. For a long time, there have been only a very few active people. Nice to see new faces come on board. Regards, Laina RG * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Tue Aug 18 18:37:28 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id SAA26368; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:37:28 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (zinc.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.31]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA26364 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:37:02 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas2114.singnet.com.sg [165.21.54.24]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA12127 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:39:37 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 17:41:40 Subject: FW: Business Standard editorial To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk --- On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Arun Mehta wrote: While on the front page, the BS informs us that Hughes is withdrawing from basic services in India, its editorial praises the TRAI for finally bringing some sanity to our telecom policy -- within a few years of introducing licences for private telecom operators, the TRAI is suggesting that the process didn't work, and that licences should be dispensed with. "The reality is that Rs.4 per minute of a call is too high a cut for the government to take... the other reality is more serious and technological. Things are changing so fast in this area that restricting market entry or technology (gsm in this case) will render Indian telephony severely handicapped." ... "Having just two operators, without any chance of a third, tends to promote 'mutual understanding' rather than price competition." Pity, though, that such sanity didn't come before many foreign companies left in disgust. Arun Mehta, B-69, Lajpat Nagar-I, New Delhi-110024. Phone 6841172 http://www.cerfnet.com/~amehta amehta@cerfnet.com, amehta@cpsr.org -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 18/08/98 Time: 17:41:40 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Wed Aug 19 05:38:36 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id FAA27348; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 05:38:36 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id FAA27344 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 05:38:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vucqpqlj (user-37kbtkp.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.246.153]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA02081; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980818163926.00796da0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: iquest1@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:39:26 -0400 To: apia-members@apia.org, apple@apnic.net, anr-talk@anr.org, apng-all@apng.org From: Jay Fenello Subject: Singapore, on balance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, This is just a quick note to thank you for your hospitality -- I enjoyed meeting with all of you and look forward to working with you in the future. Below you will find a summary of my impressions on the IFWP Conference in Singapore. As stated below, please let me know if I can be of any assistance. Regards, Jay Fenello President, Iperdome, Inc. 404-250-3242 http://www.iperdome.com ===================================== Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 03:25:07 -0400 To: list@ifwp.org From: Jay Fenello Subject: Singapore, on balance Cc: domain-policy@open-rsc.org, ispc-members@ispc.org Now that I've had a chance to recuperate, here are some personal observations on Singapore. My report begins with the Tuesday panel discussion. It was designed to give some background to those who were new to the White Paper and the IFWP process. Originally, the panel was only going to include members of the "old guard." Thankfully, this format was changed, and over 10 different presenters gave a short overview. For my part, I described this debate as one of two competing philosophies, each with the best interests of the Internet at heart, each with diametrically opposed beliefs. I concluded with what I considered to be the most important factor for success of the IFWP -- that of balance. It was a theme that would be repeated many times in Singapore. Next, the WWccTLD people presented their plan for the new Names Council. When they were done, I pointed out that they forgot to include Network Solutions in their organization (significant, because they administer more than 2/3rds of all domain names in existence), nor did they include any of the prospective registries that have been waiting to enter this new industry. [I understand that the WWccTLD group agreed that they made an oversight by excluding these and other groups at the Names Council meeting. I did not hear this directly, nor have I seen this officially confirmed.] As the afternoon session ended, I saw a small group of people meeting in the back of the room. Wondering what was going on, I jumped in to discover what appeared to be some lawyers trying to decide what they should discuss at their evening session. One suggested that they prepare a graphic that could help people visualize the new organization, the various councils, and how membership and other organizations might be represented in the New Corp. So I gave him a copy of my own graphic "A Representational Framework for Internet Governance," which I just happened to have with me :-) http://www.iperdome.com/gig.gif http://www.iperdome.com/gig.txt The next morning, this diagram actually ended up being used in a presentation -- not because it was the answer, but because it covered all of the bases. It showed the decision making bodies of the New Corp as boxes, it showed potential stakeholder groups as circles, and it showed how each of the boxes were controlled by each of the circles. [As an aside, I've noticed an ongoing debate about representation on the lists. I'd like to reiterate my belief that both need to be represented, one as the "general membership" class, and one as the "representative membership" class. This again results in balance, which is necessary to prevent capture.] This session concluded with a discussion about other possible representational structures, and their corresponding diagrams. [As another aside, Iperdome will be happy to host other diagrams of representation for the New Corp. We will also make changes to our existing diagram based on suggestions. Please contact me directly if you would like contribute.] The last day, we had the breakouts on the Names Council and the Address/Protocols Councils. Although I was not there for most of it, the Names Council turned into quite a food fight. Eventually, it looked like some consensus was reached, but I'll leave that for others to report. Personally, the most valuable part of the whole trip occurred at an informal dinner the final night. There, one of the Australian government representatives and I had a lively debate about for-profit vs. non-profit registries. Eventually, we came to a mutually agreeable consensus. In many ways, it was a perfect mirror of my experience in Geneva -- people will support reasonable positions when they are given all of the facts. In general, though, this was not like the previous two IFWP meetings. There were no consensus calls to speak of, and there were no new issues of particular interest to the region. One local described it as "when worlds collide -- the brash Americans, the arrogant Europeans, and the polite Asians. While the MoU supporters and the new stakeholders threw food at each other, your gracious hosts were trying to figure it all out." On another level, however, it was one of understanding. I not only understand this region better now, but I've made some new friends that I want to help in any way I can. At the same time, they too have gained much understanding. Not only about the controversy, but also about the passions and the cultures involved in this debate. In closing, I found the members of the Asia-Pacific region to be friendly, very polite, and very reasonable in their approach. Balance, it would appear, is a concept that is well understood -- and supported, in this part of the world. Regards, Jay Fenello President, Iperdome, Inc. 404-250-3242 http://www.iperdome.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Wed Aug 19 19:52:16 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id TAA29023; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:52:16 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from green.glocom.ac.jp (green.glocom.ac.jp [210.160.32.2]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA29019 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:52:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from dyn016.glocom.ac.jp (dyn016.glocom.ac.jp [210.160.33.16]) by green.glocom.ac.jp (NTMail 3.03.0017/4c.aelt) with ESMTP id xa157375 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:55:53 +0900 X-Sender: ajp@popper.glocom.ac.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 2.1.4-J Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:54:58 +0900 To: apple@apnic.net From: ajp@glocom.ac.jp (Adam Peake) Subject: Canadian Govt. DNS Consultation Paper Message-Id: <10555371813190@glocom.ac.jp> Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Domain Name System Reform and Related Internet Governance Issues: A Consultation Paper http://e-com.ic.gc.ca/english/documents/dns_intro.html Internet governance, domain names and numbering systems are hotly discussed topics in the global Internet community. Various proposals have been made as to how these systems and resources can be best managed and administered. Industry Canada, as a government department responsible for matters relating to electronic commerce and information technologies, has an interest in these issues and seeks to determine and reflect the views of Canadians. The purpose of the background paper below is to generate awareness and to promote discussion regarding the reform of the domain name system (DNS) and related internet governance issues. We invite all interested parties to comment on this draft document. The government will use the results of this consultation as an input into the policy making process. Comments may be sent via e-mail to dns.consultation@e-com.ic.gc.ca or via fax to the attention of "DNS Consultation" at (613) 941-1164. Comments will be accepted until close of business Tuesday, September 8, 1998. The final position paper will be published shortly thereafter. 1.The Internet, the DNS & Electronic Commerce Importance of the DNS The Challenges of Coordination The Impetus for Change The U.S. White Paper 2.Introducing Competition Where Competition Fits Registrars & Competition Registries & Competition 3.The Role of the New Corporation Antitrust Accountability & Representation 4.Top Level Domains Generic Top Level Domains (gTLDs) Country Codes (ccTLDs) 5.Addressing & Related Technical Issues Relative Importance of the Name & Address Spaces 6.Trade-marks & Dispute Resolution 7.Role of Government & the Private Sector Glossary of Technical Terms * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Wed Aug 19 22:13:21 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id WAA29248; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:13:21 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA29241 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:13:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA10726 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:15:56 -0500 Message-ID: <163e01bdcb70$34c2cfc0$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: Subject: Fw: Towards a Canadian IP Registry Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 07:52:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Jim Fleming To: dns.consultation@dsi-66.ic.gc.ca Cc: Ira_C._Magaziner@oa.eop.gov ; BBURR@ntia.doc.gov ; domain-policy@open-rsc.org ; DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET ; ARIN list ; arin-council@arin.net ; commerce@mail.house.gov Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 8:00 AM Subject: Towards a Canadian IP Registry > >With respect to the section of text quoted below, >I have the following comments: > > 1. I believe that Canada has more than enough resources > to manage IP allocations which do not necessarily have to > be tied to a geographic region. IP allocations obtained from > ARIN, RIPE, or APNIC work in routers all over the world. > Canada could bring a new, fresh and more fair perspective > to the international community by providing an alternative > place for people and companies to obtain Internet resources. > As a U.S. citizen, I must admit that I am embarassed that > the U.S. Government allowed ARIN to be created as a > PRIVATE company and now helps to block the creation of > additional regional registries via the well-entrenched IANA. > It is even more embarrasing that the U.S. Government allowed > the corrupt APNIC to be used as a model for ARIN to fix > prices and apparently U.S. Government officials spent little > or no time investigating any of the internals of any of the > entities, such as IANA, RIPE, ARIN or APNIC. ARIN was > railroaded past U.S. Government officials to facilitate the > public stock offering of NSI and the eventual transition of > the .COM/.NET/.ORG TLDs to NSI as a trade for the > separation of the equally valuable IPv4 address resources > the ARIN, which is yet another company located in the State > of Virginia (like NSI), reaping huge financial rewards for > little or no investment or risk. > > 2. Operating an IP registry is no more or less complex than > any other registry. The business skills required are more critical > than any unique technical skills. People that claim that unique > technical skills are required are generally people from the old > school Internet inner circle that do not want to allow anyone else > in to their MLM empire which pays them large salaries and > numerous perks such as first-class travel around the world > and gold-plated network and computer facilities. The Internet > community is "taxed" via fees to pay for these insiders to > live off high on the hog while making arbitrary decisions about > who will be allowed to obtain resources and who will not > based on their perception of people's willingness to "play ball" > with their organization. > > 3. With the evolution of the IPv4 Internet to larger Internets > based on IPv6 and IPv8, Canada needs to develop the > companies to help handle the expansion. To rely on a small > PRIVATE company like ARIN places Canada in an extremely > vulnerable position. This would be like having all of your fresh > water coming from a group in the U.S. that has little or no > public oversight and which is known to be operated by people > with a long history of arbitrary decisions regarding who gets > to drink from the Internet stream. > > >Jim Fleming >Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com > > >[1] @@@@@ http://e-com.ic.gc.ca/english/documents/dns_addressing.html > >"Whether the IP address space is regarded as a scarce or only "limited" >resource, the fact is that Canada does not directly control the assignment >of IP number blocks, as it once did. Control of assignment was given up in >April 1996 by the University of Toronto largely because upgrading the >technical infrastructure to then current standards would have been >prohibitively expensive. Control was ceded first to InterNIC and >subsequently to ARIN, which now controls the assignment of number blocks for >North and South America. > >Although the system as operated by ARIN has performed satisfactorily up >until now, the system will undergo changes as the new corporation gradually >takes over the DNS management functions associated with addressing. In order >to ensure that Canadian interests are protected, it has been suggested by >some that the assignment of large blocks to Canadian institutions should be >repatriated and once again brought under the control of a Canadian body. >This body would help ensure, for example, that Canadian users, including .ca >registrants, would benefit from IP assignments based on blocks of sufficient >size, contiguity to other specified blocks and so on. This idea stems in >part from concerns that the new corporation may not be sufficiently >sensitive to the needs of non-American institutions as it introduces changes >into the addressing system. > >Several factors make it difficult to determine Canada's best position on >this issue. First, while repatriation of number block assignments may have >benefits to Canadians, the functions involved require a high level of >technical infrastructure and expertise, including fully secure and redundant >computer systems, with high bandwidth requirements. It is not clear how the >associated costs would be supported in Canada, given that neither public- >nor private-sector funds have been identified for this purpose. > >Moreover, there is considerable confusion over the issue of ownership of the >address space, i.e. ownership of the number blocks assigned to large >corporations and other institutions like universities. The argument has been >made that after years of use of large number blocks, the incumbents have >ownership claims over the numbers -- claims that may conflict with the >rights and operations of the regional registries, as well as those of other >Internet users." > >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > > > > > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Thu Aug 20 10:11:34 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id KAA00678; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:11:34 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (zinc.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.31]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA00674 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:11:28 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas1101.singnet.com.sg [165.21.58.131]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA28299 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:14:15 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 98 09:16:19 Subject: FW: FYI: A report on AP-IFWP on Australian paper To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-2022-JP Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk --- On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:32:22 +0800 Izumi Aizu wrote: Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:08:46 +1000 From: Geoff Long http://www.theaustralian.com.au/webie.asp?URL=/techno/index.htm Meeting demands Asia-Pacific role in Net body By GEOFF LONG 18aug98 THE US government has been put on notice that the Asia-Pacific region must be represented in any new body created to govern the Internet, or countries may form their own break-away networks. The region's peak industry bodies and representatives met in Singapore in an effort to influence the implementation of the so-called White Paper, which outlines plans to hand control of the Internet to a new private sector organisation. However, a number of delegates, including National Office for the Information Economy (NOIE) chief executive Paul Twomey, warned that some Asian countries could choose not to remain within the current Internet structure if they were not given a voice in its control. "The self-regulation mechanism must adopt a structure, representation and principles that make it accountable to the needs of international users and stakeholders," Dr Twomey told the meeting. "Without this it will not be sustainable." Most Asia-Pacific countries were represented at the Singapore meeting. Australian industry delegates from ISOC-AU, the Internet Industry Association (IIA), and a number of other organisations played a major role in the meeting. Patrick Fair, a partner with Phillips Fox lawyers and representative for the Internet Industry Association (IIA), said that the IIA basically agreed with the principles of the White Paper, particularly in relation to e-commerce. "The objectives in the White Paper of stability, transparency and representation are strongly in our interests and we're here to pursue those interests and see that they don't go off the rails," he said. But he warned that important decisions still lay ahead. "There are a number of plans floating around, but which one of them prevails and whether or not we'll be able to identify it quickly enough and make sure that our interests are protected is another question," he said. The US government has stated that it will leave the governing of the Internet to the private sector. The move follows criticism from a number of groups about a lack of global representation and monopoly control over issuing generic top-level domains, such as .com, by US company Network Solutions. Network Solutions' contract to issue top-level domains ends on September 30. Industry representatives said Australia's voice in negotiations had been weakened because our own country-level domain (.au) faced similar problems. Leni Mayo, chief executive of Moniker.net and a director of the Internet Society of Australia (ISOC-AU), said the Australian domain space needed its own governing body. At present, the .au domain is administered by Melbourne academic Robert Elz. NOIE will hold talks with major stakeholders in the .au domain in coming weeks. News Limited 1998 < < < Izumi Aizu > > > Principal, Asia Network Research (ANR) Sdn. Bhd. Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia ( http://www.anr.org) Secretary General, Asia & Pacific Internet Association (APIA) (http://www.apia.org) also associated with Institute for HyperNetwork Society, Oita & Tokyo (http://www.hyper.or.jp) and GLOCOM, Tokyo ( http://www.glocom.ac.jp) >>> WRITING THE HISTORY OF THE FUTURE <<< -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 20/08/98 Time: 09:16:19 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Fri Aug 21 14:30:10 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id OAA04031; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:30:10 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (zinc.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.31]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA04027 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:30:05 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas1704.singnet.com.sg [165.21.53.14]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA16011; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:32:35 +0800 (SGT) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 98 13:29:02 Subject: invite to 26th August Singapore meeting X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk (apologies for duplicates) Singapore National Committee for Pacific Economic Cooperation Telecommunication & Information Industry Task Force (SINCPEC INFOTEL) Dear Sir/Madam We would like to invite you to a SINCPEC INFOTEL industry meeting organised by GetIT Pte Ltd (www.getit.org) and sponsored by Connect! regarding: "ISSUES OF INTEREST TO SINGAPORE INDUSTRY PLAYERS" Topics include: 1. Update on SINCPEC INFOTEL 2. Update by TAS on APEC Telecom Working Group Meeting to be held in Papua New Guinea between 9 to 11 September 1998 3. Update by TDB on APEC Electronic Commerce Task Force Meeting to be held in Singapore on 4 September 1998. Date : 26 August 1998 Venue : Casuarina Room 2nd Storey, RELC Building 30 Orange Grove Road Singapore 258352 Time : 3.45 to 5.30pm Maximum Capacity : 50 persons (Please register early to avoid disappointment) Refreshments will be served before the meeting begins. Please call Linda A Ma'moon of GetIT Pte Ltd at 738 6929 or fax to 738 7839 by 24 August 1998 to confirm you attendance so that we can make arrangements accordingly. Attached are the Mission and Core Objectives of SINCPEC INFOTEL and the list of Official Representatives. Free parking is available at RELC. LAINA RAVEENDRAN GREENE Managing Director GetIT Pte Ltd Coordinator for SINCPEC INFOTEL Attachment: Mission of SINCPEC INFOTEL To facilitate the confluence of Governmental, Industrial & Academic viewpoints, specifically geared towards the active promotion of Singapore's overall interests in the realms of Information Technology & Telecommunications, at home and across the Region, whilst working with and benefitting from regional alliances with, inter alia, PECC, APEC and ASEAN. Core Objectives of SINCPEC INFOTEL a) Encouraging the flow of information, technology & expertise around the region, aimed at benefitting end-users, particularly SME's; b) Enabling & enhancing the availability, capability and the role of human resources needed to meet Regional demand; c) Facilitating joint high value-added R& D projects (encompassing hardware/software) within Singapore, drawing talents globally, and serving the Region/World; d) Focussing national priorities on the development of E-Commerce in Singapore and the region; e) Facilitating the exchange of Market & Policy Analysis Information regionally; f) Facilitating dialogues with Regional Governments, Industry Players & Academic Entities, aimed at providing an Understanding of and an Input Mechanism into Regulatory Developments in relation especially to issue concerning the ease of Market Access of products and services Regionally. Official Representatives of SINCPEC INFOTEL * PECC International Advisory Group member Ms Laina Raveendran Greene Managing Director, GetIT Pte Ltd * Official Government Representatives LTC Foo Jong Ai Director, Multimedia, TAS Ms Ng Kim Neo Senior Director, TDB & Co-Chair, APEC Electronic Commerce Task Force Dr Chee Yeow Meng Assistant Director, Policy Internationalisation, NCB * Official Industry Association Representatives Mr Desmond Ee Vice President, ATES Mr Chung Seng Hong Executive Director, SFCI * Academic and Industry Representative to be confirmed by 26 August 1998 ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene Managing Director GetIT Pte Ltd E-mail: laina@getit.org www.getit.org Date: 21/08/98 Time: 13:22:49 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Fri Aug 21 21:46:12 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id VAA04872; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:46:12 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA04868 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:46:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vucqpqlj (user-38lclb5.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.85.101]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA28720; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Sender: iquest1@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:05:31 -0400 To: apia-members@apia.org, apple@apnic.net, anr-talk@anr.org, apng-all@apng.org From: Jay Fenello Subject: AP-IFWP Panel Discussion Notes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, Here is a transcript of my presentation at the Tuesday Panel Discussion at the AP-IFWP in Singapore (from my notes). FYI: ======================================= Hello, My name is Jay Fenello, President of Iperdome Inc., a prospective registry for the .per TLD. I'm very thankful for this opportunity to speak here today. For this section, I'm going to try and provide some perspective on the gTLD-MoU, the White Paper, and the IFWP process. Over the next couple of days, you will hear a great many opinions on these topics. Some call it the "great debate," while others call it the "great food-fight." So what's it all about? On one side of this debate, you have the "old guard." They are the engineers, academia and others who were instrumental in building the Internet, and instrumental in making it the success that it is today. They include the IANA, the ISOC, POC/PAB/CORE, etc. On the other, you have the new stakeholder communities. These are the businesses, the trademark holders, and the advocates for privacy, free speech and other social issues. They include Network Solutions, Iperdome, the DNRC, etc. Both sides have strong beliefs. Both sides want what's best for the Internet. Most importantly, *both* sides are right! So, as we go forward, let's realize . . . This is *not* about who is right and who is wrong -- this *is* about balance. Balance between Domain Name holders and Domain Name Registries, Balance between IP Address holders and IP Registries, Balance between Trademark holders and Domain Name holders. In short, balance between *all* Internet users, and *all* Internet providers. In closing, I'd like to reiterate the goals of the White Paper as stated by Becky Burr: "We are looking for a globally and functionally representative organization, operated on the basis of sound and transparent processes that protect against capture by self-interested factions, and that provides robust, professional management. The new entity's processes need to be fair, open, and pro-competitive. And the new entity needs to have a mechanism for evolving to reflect changes in the constituency of Internet stakeholders." Thank you for this opportunity to speak here today. ======================================= Regards, Jay Fenello President, Iperdome, Inc. 404-250-3242 http://www.iperdome.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Fri Aug 21 22:26:18 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id WAA04925; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:26:18 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from ties.itu.ch (root@ties.itu.ch [156.106.192.33]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA04921 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:26:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from itu.int (fw.itu.ch [156.106.192.3]) by ties.itu.ch (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03841; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:28:37 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35DD761F.A4D5B390@itu.int> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:29:03 +0200 From: Robert Shaw X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jay Fenello CC: apia-members@apia.org, apple@apnic.net, anr-talk@anr.org, apng-all@apng.org Subject: Re: AP-IFWP Panel Discussion Notes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Jay Fenello wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Here is a transcript of my presentation > at the Tuesday Panel Discussion at the > AP-IFWP in Singapore (from my notes). > > FYI: [snip] > So what's it all about? > > On one side of this debate, you have the "old > guard." They are the engineers, academia and > others who were instrumental in building the > Internet, and instrumental in making it the > success that it is today. They include the > IANA, the ISOC, POC/PAB/CORE, etc. > > On the other, you have the new stakeholder > communities. These are the businesses, the > trademark holders, and the advocates for > privacy, free speech and other social issues. > They include Network Solutions, Iperdome, the > DNRC, etc. Nice rhetoric. When you get NSI and DNRC to agree on a dispute resolution policy for domain names, let us all know - we can then put you in the same basket of interests - until then this sort of characterization that you, NSI and DNRC somehow represent some greater common interests is empty rhetoric and only proof that politics makes very strange bedfellows. Robert -- Robert Shaw Head a.i., IED/Advisor, Global Information Infrastructure International Telecommunication Union Place des Nations, 1211 Geneva, Switzerland * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Fri Aug 21 22:43:30 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id WAA04978; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:43:30 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from info.isoc.org (info.isoc.org [198.6.250.9]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA04974 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:43:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from linus.isoc.org (mailhub.isoc.org [192.168.1.10]) by info.isoc.org (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id JAA13951; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newlatitude.isoc.org (dhcp15.isoc.org [192.168.1.115]) by linus.isoc.org (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA11026; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980821093637.008f5240@pop.isoc.org> X-Sender: heath@pop.isoc.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:36:37 -0400 To: Jay Fenello , apia-members@apia.org, apple@apnic.net, anr-talk@anr.org, apng-all@apng.org From: Don Heath Subject: Re: AP-IFWP Panel Discussion Notes In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk At 07:05 AM 8/21/98 -0400, Jay Fenello wrote: > >Hello everyone, > >Here is a transcript of my presentation >at the Tuesday Panel Discussion at the >AP-IFWP in Singapore (from my notes). Sorry I missed that panel. I surely would have spoken about your comments then. >On one side of this debate, you have the "old >guard." They are the engineers, academia and >others who were instrumental in building the >Internet, and instrumental in making it the >success that it is today. They include the >IANA, the ISOC, POC/PAB/CORE, etc. > >On the other, you have the new stakeholder >communities. These are the businesses, the >trademark holders, and the advocates for >privacy, free speech and other social issues. >They include Network Solutions, Iperdome, the >DNRC, etc. Here is what I would have spoken about. Your characterization of "sides" is misleading and inaccurate. You have used old techniques in an attempt to cast players in a certain light. You are quite simply, incorrect in your characterization :-) Further, your use of "sides," is not constructive. Don * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Fri Aug 21 23:05:12 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id XAA05025; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:05:12 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from armstrong.apic.net (armstrong.apic.net [203.22.101.2]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA05021 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:05:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from boss.apic.net (boss.apic.net [203.22.102.40]) by armstrong.apic.net (8.8.7/APIC-2.1) with SMTP id AAA28330; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:06:32 +1000 (EST) X-Org: The Asia Pacific Internet Company Pty. Ltd. X-URL: http://www.apic.net/ Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980822000707.011975f8@mail.apic.net> X-Sender: bala@mail.apic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:07:07 +1000 To: laina@singnet.com.sg, apple@apnic.net From: Bala Pillai Subject: Re: Results of nominations In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Dear Laina, At 08:38 PM 8/17/98, laina@singnet.com.sg wrote: >Given as much Bala, was hoping you and others can suggest "a more formal" process. It would >help for future nominations processes. Could you send them to me, and I encourage others to >do so a well Apologies for not replying earlier. I'm afraid Laina, given my other self-funded public service/long-gestation venture commitments, this is hard. Probably worthwhile explaining for the benefit of APPLers what other stuff I do in the Asian Internet scene. If this appears too much of a plug, please forgive me - I think it helps reduce the inate maya of perceiving one in cyberspace :-) Public Service Ventures: 1. TSCII (Tamil Standard for Computing Information Interchange). Spoken by 70 million people including India, Sri Lanka, Malaysia and Singapore, Tamil is my mother tongue (perhaps Laina's as well?). Many don't realise that unlike the English speaking world, serious computing for native languages only begins with the Net. There is not a Tamil equivalent for ASCII. The Net and Thamil Innaiyam (2 below) has enabled us to aggregate about 100 Tamil computing lovers around the world to create this standard so that emails can be sent in Tamil as they can be in English. There's the politics of font vendors to overcome and after 18 months, it appears we are coming to a conclusion in the next few months. 2 Thamil Innaiyam - to make above possible we needed to aggregate Tamil Internet users around the world first. So we are there with the only Tamil script discussion group together with interest generated by a Tamil portal going for the last 2 years. Website: http://www.tamil.net 3 Sangkancil - While I live in Sydney, Australia, I'm very much a Malaysian in mind. (I was posted to Sydney from Hongkong while working for Reuters and decided to stay). The Net provides the best avenue for the coming together of non-governmental groups and alternative voices, including voices that have been shut off the mainstream press. The Sangkancil discussion group community is run by me with noted "shut-out-off-the-mainstream-press" and "banned-in-Singapore" journalist, MGG Pillai (no relation) as lead contributor 4 Malaysia.Net - Has become the leading Malaysian non-media site. A Malaysian portal that hosts the websites of nearly all the leading non-governmental organisations in Malaysia. 5 AIM - Asian Internet Marketing Community. Rather dormant the last few months while I regroup myself. It was ahead of its time given that cooperation among the commercial community is very alien in Asia. May not even happen in our generation. We'll see - the next few years will tell. About 1500 members at last count - 50% in Asia. 50% outsiders including Asians living outside Asia interested in Asian Net space. It's in all the search engines etc so the membership continues to grow. Spent a lot of effort during the first year on it. Will reactivate it soon. 1 - 5 above are funded by a fledgling ISP in Sydney 6. Sydney.Net Keeping all these afloat with 4 staff and some volunteers, is quite a challenge - that's why I'm short of time. My suggestion is that you get the following to draft up the selection process Laina. I think it only makes sense that those who want to represent the Asian region have some profile in APPLe and helping you put the formal process documentation together is one way. I think one or more of the following (since they ran) should volunteer. Considering that they don't contribute to APPLE, AIM (are there other active pan-Asian "management" pan-Asian groups?) , this is something they can do to have a greater chance of being voted for, the next time they run for one of these things. APPLErs I believe should put weight to those whose positions we roughly know and those who show some energy shouldn't we? If none of them want to help you, do let me/us know, Laina and we'll sort something out. They being:- Nominee: James Lee, Kent Ridge Digital Labs, Nominee: Rajesh Sreenavasan, Rajah & Tan, Singapore Nominee: Gilbert Leong, Legal Officer, Singapore Nominee: Charles Lim, Attoney General Chamber, Nominee: Professor Dr Srisakdi Charmonman, APNIC Nominee: Shariya Haniz Zulkifli, MIMOS, Malaysia Nominee: Patrick Fair, Philips Fox Lawyers, Nominee: Patrick J O'Brien, Domainz, NZ Nominee: Tan Tin Wee, NUS, Singapore Nominee: Dr. Liu Ching-Yi,TamKang University, Nominee: Tan Tee Jim, Allen & Gledhill, President of Nominee: Gabriel Accascina, Programme Nominee: Dr Ching-chun Hsieh, Research fellow of the Nominee: Dr Paul Liu, Prof.,Grauate Institute of = Nominee: Peter Dengate Thrush, patent attorney, = Nominee: Harish Pillay, Brokat Asia, Singapore Are all of above on APPLe? Are any of above active in any pan-Asian email discussion groups, Laina? Apologies for the long post. cheers../bala Bala Pillai CEO, Sydney.Net/The Asia Pacific Internet Company Pty Ltd. bala@apic.net bala pillai* bala@sydney.net*the asia pacific internet co, sydney O N L I N E E M P O W E R E D C O M M U N I T I E S for info send blank ph:+61 2 9419 5333 fax: + 61 2 9419 5155 * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Fri Aug 21 23:35:06 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id XAA05086; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:35:06 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA05082 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:34:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from syr.edu (syru182-104.syr.edu [128.230.182.104]) by syr.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18443; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DD8638.373B8BB3@syr.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:37:44 -0400 From: Milton Mueller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: apple@apnic.net, anr-talk@anr.org, politech list Subject: FWD: IFWP and WIPO processes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk To: Participants in the IFWP process From: Kathryn A. Kleiman, General Counsel of A-TCPIP/Domain Name Rights Coalition Re: Conflict between IFWP Process and the Pending WIPO Process Date: August 20, 1998 These are busy times for everyone participating in the IFWP meetings worldwide. I want to take a moment to call your attention to a different White Paper proceeding. In the White Paper, the World Intellectual Property Organization, a UN- chartered international governmental organization, was given a limited and carefully-defined task. It was asked to conduct a "balanced and transparent process" to: "(1) develop recommendations for a uniform approach to resolving trademark/domain name disputes involving cyberpiracy (as opposed to conflicts between trademark holders with legitimate competing rights), (2) recommend a process for protecting famous trademarks in the generic top level domains, and (3) evaluate the effects, based on studies conducted by independent organizations, such as the National Research Council of the National Academy of Sciences, of adding new gTLDs and related dispute resolution procedures on trademark and intellectual property holders." Thus, WIPO was asked to look at three discrete issues: "cyberpiracy," famous marks, and effects of adding new gTLDs on trademark owners. Instead, WIPO has initiated a proceeding that overlaps and claims authority over key areas of the IFWP process. Under the auspices of "the issues signaled in the White Paper," WIPO has decided that there should be a "uniform approach to resolving domain name disputes" and initiated a proceeding to collect comments and decide what that approach should be. Further, WIPO is collecting comments on what data the registries must be required to collect from registrars, the certifications that should be required regarding use of domain names, and what waivers of access to local courts must be made by registrants. We are surprised that WIPO has so dramatically exceeded the scope of its request by the White Paper. We are also surprised because the WIPO proceeding now enters the scope of the IFWP proceedings. It is a question at the heart of many IFWP Conference debates whether a uniform dispute policy should even exist. Neither the Reston nor the Geneva IFWP meetings arrived at a consensus on this point, but both groups DID REACH CONSENSUS on the statement that various alternative disputes resolution mechanisms should be available to registries and registrants -- including but not limited to WIPO. WIPO may someday want to collect comments from its members on these subjects and give input, as a participant, to the new Entity. However, that is entirely different from collecting comments from the Internet Community in the name of a proceeding requested by the White Paper. The two proceedings should be separate and clearly delimited. We also note that, without process or comment, WIPO has unilaterally defined cybersquatting as "persons who have made it a practice to register, as domain names for themselves, the trademarks of other persons or enterprises," without even considering whether the hoarding and warehousing of domain names being done by some of the world's largest companies should also be included. To WIPO's credit, it is not yet collecting comments on substantive issues. Instead, this first round of comments asks: Are these the right questions to be asking? We think the answer is NO and that WIPO should join IFWP participants in staying within the bounds of the White Paper. DNRC speaking alone is not a strong voice for asking WIPO to return to the limits of the White Paper. However, speaking together with other participants in the IFWP process, we can exert a corrective force. Please join me in asking WIPO to abide by the same rules as the IFWP -- the White Paper -- and to return to its narrowly-defined tasks set out in the White Paper. If you have the time, please send a short note to WIPO urging it to leave issues like the evaluation of a uniform dispute policy to the new Entity, and to evaluate questions like "cyberpiracy" with an open and not pre- decided approach. WIPO comments should be submitted to PROCESS@WIPO2.WIPO.INT. Comments to this address will become a part of the open record of this proceeding. The deadline is Monday, August 24, but we hope WIPO will take late comments from people on vacation. More information on the WIPO domain name process can be found at www.wipo2.wipo.int. WIPO is also running a discussion list for anyone who wants to discuss the proceeding. Thank you! * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Fri Aug 21 23:56:20 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id XAA05134; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:56:20 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from armstrong.apic.net (armstrong.apic.net [203.22.101.2]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA05130 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:56:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from boss.apic.net (boss.apic.net [203.22.102.40]) by armstrong.apic.net (8.8.7/APIC-2.1) with SMTP id AAA00730 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:57:44 +1000 (EST) X-Org: The Asia Pacific Internet Company Pty. Ltd. X-URL: http://www.apic.net/ Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980822005820.00a6a6bc@mail.apic.net> X-Sender: bala@mail.apic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:58:20 +1000 To: apple@apnic.net From: Bala Pillai Subject: Singpost.Com Dispute Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Dear APPLers, Anybody heard much about this first domain name dispute that went to the Singapore courts this week? It was a battle between a small Serangoon Road, Singapore based company, Cyberville Technologies that was providing free email services off this domain and Singapore Post. What I hear about the process is not good for law at all. And law is not going to be improved if parties are so scared to talk about it, on the record. Have there been any official statements? How do we deal with inbuilt fear of talking? I guess our pithy domain name/Net issues have to give way to "bigger picture" issues . cheers../bala bala@apic.net bala pillai* bala@sydney.net*the asia pacific internet co, sydney O N L I N E E M P O W E R E D C O M M U N I T I E S for info send blank ph:+61 2 9419 5333 fax: + 61 2 9419 5155 * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sat Aug 22 01:03:04 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id BAA05242; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:03:04 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id BAA05238 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:02:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA18374; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:05:30 -0500 Message-ID: <1ca101bdcd19$b9a337c0$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: "IFWP Discussion List" Cc: , , , Subject: IPv4 Address Registries Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:38:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Michael Dillon >decided by the general public. It is good to get public input into >policies but at the end of the day, the RIRs must maintain the stability >of the Internet, avoid any radical actions and ensure that technical >considerations never take a back seat to politics. > By RIRs, I assume that you mean RIPE, APNIC and ARIN. They are not the only IP address registries. Many for-profit companies are also IP address registries. BBN (now owned) by GTE is one example. They have TWO /8s which is 128th of the entire IPv4 address space. @Home is another for-profit company that handles registry functions for the cable TV industry. They, like BBN, obtained their IPv4 address resources directly from the IANA. Apple, DEC, HP, AT&T, Xerox, etc. are other examples. Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sat Aug 22 03:58:22 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id DAA05607; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 03:58:22 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id DAA05603 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 03:58:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from syr.edu (syru182-104.syr.edu [128.230.182.104]) by syr.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25981; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DDC3DE.7F8E0DC5@syr.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:00:46 -0400 From: Milton Mueller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ben.petrazzini@ITU.CH, rosenbloom@hq.acm.org, Peter Lovelock , apple@apnic.net, anr-talk@anr.org, Greg Staple , mike@sn.apc.org Subject: Call for Papers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Call for Papers: Special Issue of the Communications of the ACM “Emerging Internet Infrastructures” The monthly journal "Communications of the ACM" (Association for Computing Machinery) has asked me to guest-edit a special issue on “Emerging Internet Infrastructures.” Approximately 6-7 articles will be accepted. I am soliciting two types of papers: 1. Articles with descriptive materials that rigorously and accurately document the growth of Internet infrastructure in the developing world. “Infrastructure” includes both physical and institutional components; e.g., circuits, gateways, NICs, number of ISPs, hosts, and users. We are particularly interested in case studies of Russia and India, or regional views of Africa, the Middle East, and Southeast Asia. 2. Articles that address key economic and policy issues affecting Internet infrastructures in emerging economies. E.g, the formation of Internet exchanges, pricing structures and the cost of international circuits, competition and monopoly, relationship between ISPs and telephone companies, domain name policies, IP address allocation, etc. Audience CACM has a circulation of 85,000 members of the Association for Computing Machinery (ACM), computer professionals from various backgrounds. General parameters for articles: CACM articles take the form of “light” research papers and are written by either academics or professional practitioners. Authors are limited to 4,000 words, 5 figures (diagrams), 5 tables, and 12 references. Submission Guidelines If you wish to contribute, please submit a two-page abstract to Dr. Milton Mueller (mueller@syr.edu, fax +1-315-443-5806) by October 1, 1998. If your idea is approved, the complete article must be turned in by January 11, 1999. This article must then go through a blind review process in February. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sat Aug 22 16:55:46 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id QAA06484; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 16:55:46 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from armstrong.apic.net (armstrong.apic.net [203.22.101.2]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA06479 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 16:55:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from boss.apic.net (boss.apic.net [203.22.102.40]) by armstrong.apic.net (8.8.7/APIC-2.1) with SMTP id RAA22540 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:57:13 +1000 (EST) X-Org: The Asia Pacific Internet Company Pty. Ltd. X-URL: http://www.apic.net/ Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980822175749.00a7d560@mail.apic.net> X-Sender: bala@mail.apic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:57:49 +1000 To: apple@apnic.net From: Bala Pillai Subject: US$60 mil/year for dot TV domain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Read this on Page 54 of Australian magazine, The Bulletin, Aug 25:- "A Canadian company, Information CA, will pay Tuvalu - with a population of 10,000 spread over nine small atolls - between" US$60 - 100 million per year "for the right to sell domain names like seinfeld.tv or blueheelers.tv" "Prime Minister Bikenibeu Paeniu says the money will be spent giving aid to other small Pacific island nations and to help avert global warming, which threatens the low-lying country with inundation". Is this US$60 million right? I find it hard to believe - that's US$6,000 per capita per year. I'm near certain that the per cap GNP of Tuvalu wouldn't be that much. Information CA would also have to sell oodles of domain regos to recoup that kind of bucks. Anybody know? cheers../bala p.s. the report said $103 million to $ 175 million (presumably Australian $) annually - I've converted the figures to above. bala pillai* bala@sydney.net*the asia pacific internet co, sydney O N L I N E E M P O W E R E D C O M M U N I T I E S for info send blank ph:+61 2 9419 5333 fax: + 61 2 9419 5155 * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sat Aug 22 21:54:01 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id VAA06717; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:54:01 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA06713 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:53:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA21843; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:56:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1f4201bdcdc8$5245c7a0$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: "IFWP Discussion List" Cc: , , Subject: The Big Four Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:28:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Jay Fenello To: IFWP Discussion List Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 7:17 AM Subject: [ifwp] Re: Truce >At 05:11 PM 8/21/98 , Karl Auerbach wrote: >>Indeed, such a claim is laughable given that the RIR's make such a noise >>about how the allocations they delegate are now owned and are potentially >>revocable. >> >>Apparently the RIRs aren't willing to take the same medicine the prescribe >>to others. > > >Especially ironic, when you considered that the arguments >used in the DNS fracas apply even more forcefully to IP >allocations and the Regional IP Registries! > The Regional IP Registries depend on the DNS for delegations under the TLD .ARPA. They, along with the IANA and many other companies, carve up the IN-ADDR.ARPA zone. Names registered in that zone have as much value (or more) as domain names with sizzle registered under .COM. In my opinion, if corruption is going to be cleaned out of the IPv4 Internet, one would have to start by restructuring the IN-ADDR.ARPA zone. If one thinks of it as a "root", then many of the alternative TLD concepts can be applied to allow a new tomorrow to be built in parallel with the legacy system. If the new IANA wants to help the world's Internet community this should be a high priority. Unfortunately, when people look at some of the ways of restructuring the .ARPA TLD, it becomes clear that lower cost, more responsive customer service can be obtained by distributing the resources across many organizations in the Registry Industry as opposed to a few regional registries that are controlled by the IANA. This is not a popular notion because the IANA gets money from these Regional Registries and more importantly ISPs and other companies are coerced into following IANA policies out of fear of having their IPv4 address resources pulled. These companies are locked in, like robber barons owning the land and the railroads. It is similar to the situation in the early history of the U.S. with the "Big Four" in the Western part of the U.S. If people recall, a guy named Leland Stanford was one of the people that helped to squeeze people with his iron fist of control. People often forget this because of the University that he founded and because his wife tried to right some of the wrongs of the Big Four by making sure that Stanford University became a reality after Leland died, despite attempts by the other members of the Big Four to squeeze the life out of that vision. Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sat Aug 22 22:13:14 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id WAA06751; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:13:14 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA06747 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:13:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA21906; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 08:15:46 -0500 Message-ID: <1f5801bdcdca$fc24cd00$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: "IFWP Discussion List" Cc: , , , , , Subject: Re: [ifwp] Re: Steering Committee Report 8/18 - (almost was: Party Lines) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:47:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Jim Dixon > >Electronic participation? > >What will then happen to the document? > >How will an Interim Board be selected? > >Will it have the power to revise the document? > >Who will be the members of the new corporation? > >From what I have been told, the IANA and ITAG people have openly told people at the IFWP meetings that they will handle all of the above. I assume that they mean for the IPv4 address space, although there are now signs they are realizing they also need to get their tight fists on the IPv6 address spaces. http://www.6bone.net/tla-assign-04.htm Of course, for $425 you can meet with many of these people at their wrap up in Chicago this coming week. http://www.ietf.org/meetings/IETF-42.html Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sun Aug 23 04:38:34 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id EAA07721; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 04:38:34 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id EAA07717 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 04:38:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA22382; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:41:00 -0500 Message-ID: <200101bdce00$be937aa0$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: "IFWP Discussion List" Cc: , , , "IFWP ORG" , , Subject: Individuals can be strong-armed... Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:11:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Karl Auerbach > >The system works fine. > >Individual voices are not submerged. > >And most importantly, there is no artificial allocation of power to >organizations as would occur if organizations, rather than their >individual members, had votes. > >And yes, it is political. But that's not a bad thing. "Political" is >merely a highly colored word that means that different points of view are >aired, discussed, and possibly accepted or rejected. > Karl, There is at least one down-side to the focus on individuals. Individuals can more easily be "strong-armed" than organizations. You might not be aware that this is common practice with the groups that the proposed new IANA would have to deal with. Even a non-profit can hire a team of attorneys to silence an individual. They will stop at nothing to protect their interests. How do you propose to protect the people that would be involved with the new IANA ? Will they receive 24 hour protection from the Secret Service ? Will their families receive that protection ? How will their business interests be protected ? What about the thugs that are sent on a regular basis to undermine those businesses ? In my opinion, this is just one of several problems the White Paper did not consider. It shows how naive they are/were about the situation. Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sun Aug 23 18:02:14 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id SAA12769; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:02:14 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from geocities.com (mail6.geocities.com [209.1.224.26]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA12763 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:02:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from geocities.com (yapcs-r2.iscs.nus.sg [137.132.85.230]) by geocities.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA29153 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 02:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35DFDB46.7CF2F1DE@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 17:05:10 +0800 From: "Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim" Organization: VLSM-TJT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MILIS APPLE Subject: The Kingdom of Tonga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hello: Once upon the time in the early 1990s, I received an email from Alaska (no, not kidding!) from a Professor. He asked whether I knew someone in the Kingdom of Tonga. Apparently at that time my email address was already in a WAIS database, whereas most fellow from the western could not distinguish the word "Indonesia", "Polynesia", "Melanesia", etc. I found out later that even that professor did not know where that kingdom was (and neither did I :-). Anyway, nowadays the ".to" domain is "hot", and I have just tried to register three FREE URLs: (1) http://come.to/agenda21 which is about Sustainable Development Networking Programme - Indonesia. (2) http://welcome.to/pamulang which is dedicated to Pamulangians (the people of Pamulang). (3) http://come.to/gnM-DICK which is about "D"ata "I"nformation "C"ommunications and "K"nowledge. However, gnM is not MIS :-). Enjoy! -- Rahmat M.Samik-Ibrahim VLSM-TJT http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6825 -[Coding, Coding, Coding] 3x Raw Hide! 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Regards, Laina RG ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 24/08/98 Time: 00:36:03 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 24 08:49:23 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id IAA18430; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:49:23 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA18426 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:49:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from bgreene-pc.cisco.com (singapore-async-150.cisco.com [171.68.85.150]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id QAA24300 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Barry Raveendran Greene" To: "APPLe" Subject: FW: [ISN] Re: Encryption is like a locked suitcase Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:48:47 +0800 Message-ID: <000901bdcef0$92572720$0313130a@bgreene-pc.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Travel advisory for the UK - if you have corporate NDA materials, do not bring your laptop with you to the UK. ----Original Message----- From: owner-isn@sekurity.org [mailto:owner-isn@sekurity.org] On Behalf Of mea culpa Sent: Saturday, August 22, 1998 3:29 PM To: InfoSec News Subject: [ISN] Re: Encryption is like a locked suitcase Reply From: Vin McLellan The new UK Government policy -- "Computer hard disc scanning by HM Customs & Excise" -- has just been announced as "What's New" on the UK's "Open Goverment" website: http://www.open.gov.uk/customs/discscan.htm "Scanning for porno" at the UK border, as it has been described, entails _copying_ the traveller's hard-disk and then scanning for whatever. British spokesmen are trying to make the point that nothing bad could be happening since all this takes place in the presence of the traveller, and with the traveller watching -- but, whatever the procedures, it is probably impossible to distinguish between scanning a computer's disk and copying that disk if officialdom controls the process. It is also predictable that "national security" agencies -- particularly those whose overt or covert charters require them to produce commercial intelligence -- will quickly seize upon such a fortuitous opportunity to collect full-disk snapshots from travelling executives' laptops. Cheaper than a satellite by far, and perhaps as useful as many. Primitive techie evasions -- even some of the less sophisticated stego packages -- could be fairly quickly spotted with some upgrade of the systems used to copy and scan laptop hard-disks at Customs posts and border crossings. (In many cases, it might be found to be in the "national interest" to let the visitor skip through Customs, the better to exploit information that could be later retrieved from that copy of his hard-disk. Immigration authorities typically have high-grade info on who is carrying that PC; even what company he or she works for.) Remote access passwords would be treasures that might be readily available from temp and swap files, captured in snapshots off many businessmen's machines. Although UK Customs apparently demands, or intends to demand, passwords for encrypted files... even if the businessman refuses, many -- indeed most -- desktop crypto packages (particularly in Windows machines,) are said to capture crypto keys in either or both swap files and temp files. Unless this UK policy is quickly shown to have a significant impact on the willingness of international businessmen to enter the UK to do deals, I think we can expect many other nations to quickly follow suit -- in pursuit of both porn and commercial intelligence which might give their domestic industries, bankers, or traders some advantage. Copying and scanning the hard disks of travellers and businessmen leaving a country might be an easy extension of this policy, since many countries have laws about what can not be taken out of the country too. The upshot, I presume, will be to thrust more transborder data traffic -- most of it wholly legal, commercial, traffic -- encrypted into Cyberspace... where snoops and spooks have a far more difficult time tracking who is sending what to whom. Ain't paranoia grand? _Vin -o- Subscribe: mail majordomo@sekurity.org with "subscribe isn". Today's ISN Sponsor: Repent Security Incorporated [www.repsec.com] Computer hard disc scanning by HM Customs & Excise Back to What's New A traveller was recently stopped at Waterloo after arriving from Paris with a laptop computer. The computer hard disc was scanned for potential indecent or obscene images. Just as Customs regularly intercept and examine baggage, items of mail, courier despatched material, and consignments of freight which might contain indecent or obscene material or other prohibited items we also examine the content of computer files. For obvious reasons we do not normally comment on operational methodologies or technical equipment. Officers may examine laptop computers because experience has shown that these are being used to smuggle appalling paedophile images. These "scans" are done in the presence of the passenger. We would be failing the public if we were to ignore the scope for smuggling paedophile and other obscene material by this means. Officers routinely encounter all manner of people and goods in their work, and, as you will appreciate, cannot be expected to be experts in every field. However, technical staff are available to assist where necessary. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 24 08:49:51 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id IAA18435; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:49:51 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from mail1.cisco.com (mail1.cisco.com [171.68.225.60]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA18431 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:49:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from bgreene-pc.cisco.com (singapore-async-150.cisco.com [171.68.85.150]) by mail1.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id QAA24283; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Barry Raveendran Greene" To: "Bala Pillai" , Subject: RE: US$60 mil/year for dot TV domain Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:48:44 +0800 Message-ID: <000801bdcef0$9057fbc0$0313130a@bgreene-pc.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <3.0.3.32.19980822175749.00a7d560@mail.apic.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi Bala, There is a nice article in the latest issue of WIRED magazine about the TV TLD. Barry > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-apple@apnic.net [mailto:owner-apple@apnic.net]On Behalf Of > Bala Pillai > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 1998 3:58 PM > To: apple@apnic.net > Subject: US$60 mil/year for dot TV domain > > > Read this on Page 54 of Australian magazine, The Bulletin, Aug 25:- > > > "A Canadian company, Information CA, will pay Tuvalu - with a > population of > 10,000 spread over nine small atolls - between" US$60 - 100 million per > year "for the right to sell domain names like seinfeld.tv or > blueheelers.tv" > > "Prime Minister Bikenibeu Paeniu says the money will be spent > giving aid to > other small Pacific island nations and to help avert global warming, which > threatens the low-lying country with inundation". > > Is this US$60 million right? I find it hard to believe - that's US$6,000 > per capita per year. I'm near certain that the per cap GNP of Tuvalu > wouldn't be that much. Information CA would also have to sell oodles of > domain regos to recoup that kind of bucks. > > Anybody know? > > cheers../bala > > p.s. the report said $103 million to $ 175 million (presumably Australian > $) annually - I've converted the figures to above. > > > bala pillai* bala@sydney.net*the asia pacific internet co, sydney > O N L I N E E M P O W E R E D C O M M U N I T I E S > > for info send blank > ph:+61 2 9419 5333 fax: + 61 2 9419 5155 > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 24 11:54:53 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id LAA18836; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:54:53 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (fep2-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.2]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA18830 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:54:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from clear.co.nz (maggie.clear.co.nz [10.1.12.14]) by fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.9) with ESMTP id OAA08294; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:56:58 +1200 (NZST) Received: from falcon.clear.co.nz (falcon.mars.clear.co.nz [172.30.55.50]) by clear.co.nz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19519; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:56:57 +1200 (NZST) Received: by falcon.mars.clear.co.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:56:22 +1200 Message-ID: From: Roger Hicks To: "'bgreene@cisco.com'" , Bala Pillai , apple@apnic.net Subject: RE: US$60 mil/year for dot TV domain Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:54:44 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Barry / Bala I can't comment on the article or the size of the payment, however from a personal perspective I've very pleased to hear that if there is money to be made, then Tuvalu is making it and not someone else. Nearly 3 years ago, following an investigative contract in the Pacific countries for UNESCO I urgently raised the issue of .tv with UNESCO at their regional office and directly with the Tuvalu government. I was concerned that, unless they were aware of the potential of their own domain, there was a risk that they would not be able to gain the benefits from it and others would. R. On Monday, August 24, 1998 11:49 AM, Barry Raveendran Greene [SMTP:bgreene@cisco.com] wrote: > Hi Bala, > > There is a nice article in the latest issue of WIRED magazine about the TV > TLD. > > Barry > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-apple@apnic.net [mailto:owner-apple@apnic.net]On Behalf Of > > Bala Pillai > > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 1998 3:58 PM > > To: apple@apnic.net > > Subject: US$60 mil/year for dot TV domain > > > > > > Read this on Page 54 of Australian magazine, The Bulletin, Aug 25:- > > > > > > "A Canadian company, Information CA, will pay Tuvalu - with a > > population of > > 10,000 spread over nine small atolls - between" US$60 - 100 million per > > year "for the right to sell domain names like seinfeld.tv or > > blueheelers.tv" > > > > "Prime Minister Bikenibeu Paeniu says the money will be spent > > giving aid to > > other small Pacific island nations and to help avert global warming, which > > threatens the low-lying country with inundation". > > > > Is this US$60 million right? I find it hard to believe - that's US$6,000 > > per capita per year. I'm near certain that the per cap GNP of Tuvalu > > wouldn't be that much. Information CA would also have to sell oodles of > > domain regos to recoup that kind of bucks. > > > > Anybody know? > > > > cheers../bala > > > > p.s. the report said $103 million to $ 175 million (presumably Australian > > $) annually - I've converted the figures to above. > > > > > > bala pillai* bala@sydney.net*the asia pacific internet co, sydney > > O N L I N E E M P O W E R E D C O M M U N I T I E S > > > > for info send blank > > ph:+61 2 9419 5333 fax: + 61 2 9419 5155 > > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * > > > > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 24 18:56:06 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id SAA19660; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:56:06 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from exchange1.ntu.edu.sg (exchange1.ntu.edu.sg [155.69.1.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA19656 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:56:00 +0900 (JST) Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:59:18 +0800 Message-ID: <6665AC0C667ED11186E308002BB487E1014958C2@exchange2> From: "Ang Peng Hwa (Dr)" To: apple@apnic.net Subject: RE: Singpost.Com Dispute Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:58:04 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Bala, Anybody heard much about this first domain name dispute that went to the Singapore courts this week? It was a battle between a small Serangoon Road, Singapore based company, Cyberville Technologies that was providing free email services off this domain and Singapore Post. What I hear about the process is not good for law at all. And law is not going to be improved if parties are so scared to talk about it, on the record. Have there been any official statements? Pray give us some details. I have not read about the case. How do we deal with inbuilt fear of talking? Generally in the world? In Singapore? With respect to the above subject? If you are referencing to the above subject, there is the matter of being sub judice. And there is some inbuilt fear of offending the courts. The fear is quite widespread as it is instilled by English law. I guess our pithy domain name/Net issues have to give way to "bigger picture" issues . Huh? Regards, Ang Peng Hwa * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 24 20:56:54 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id UAA19856; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:56:54 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from venus-flytrap.singnet.com.sg (venus-flytrap.singnet.com.sg [165.21.88.201]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA19852 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:56:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from dean (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by venus-flytrap.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA24940; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:59:03 +0800 Message-ID: <05c901bdcf56$96c56d60$f4db7fcb@dean.koerber.org> Reply-To: "Mathias Koerber" From: "Mathias Koerber" To: "Ang Peng Hwa (Dr)" , Subject: Re: Singpost.Com Dispute Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:59:02 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bala, could you please elaborateon this case? What is it that makes this caseso interesting? Whyshould we/anybosy fear to talkabout this? What other issues are involved aside from a straightforward domainname dispute over a (trademarked? not sure) term (which it appears from what little I've heard it is?) What is it about the process you heard? - -----Original Message----- From: Ang Peng Hwa (Dr) To: apple@apnic.net Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 6:20 PM Subject: RE: Singpost.Com Dispute |Bala, | | Anybody heard much about this first domain name dispute that |went to the | Singapore courts this week? It was a battle between a small |Serangoon Road, | Singapore based company, Cyberville Technologies that was |providing free | email services off this domain and Singapore Post. What I |hear about the | process is not good for law at all. And law is not going to |be improved if | parties are so scared to talk about it, on the record. Have |there been any | official statements? | |Pray give us some details. I have not read about the case. | | | How do we deal with inbuilt fear of talking? | |Generally in the world? In Singapore? With respect to the above subject? |If you are referencing to the above subject, there is the matter of being |sub judice. And there is some inbuilt fear of offending the courts. The fear |is quite widespread as it is instilled by English law. | | | I guess our pithy domain name/Net issues have to give way to |"bigger | picture" issues . | |Huh? | |Regards, Ang Peng Hwa |* APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 5.5.5 iQB1AwUBNeDlBlUjujkl4IK9AQExwQL9HBnLV+FLu9wx9Y7ecAA8LGEHIaUzV5ok 03BlSgsVOFYirDasNyHX3lJNGtJZ7Pn/YG2KrzGf0iXAy15tN8Q7MLqH81FQ513p VuPml3gDjQV019bjj7quWQQ1mutNjyIJ =bg+R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 24 21:09:51 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id VAA19888; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:09:51 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from armstrong.apic.net (armstrong.apic.net [203.22.101.2]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA19884 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:09:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from boss.apic.net (boss.apic.net [203.22.102.40]) by armstrong.apic.net (8.8.7/APIC-2.1) with SMTP id WAA15613; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:11:21 +1000 (EST) X-Org: The Asia Pacific Internet Company Pty. Ltd. X-URL: http://www.apic.net/ Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980824221157.009fb18c@mail.apic.net> X-Sender: bala@mail.apic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:11:57 +1000 To: "Ang Peng Hwa (Dr)" , apple@apnic.net From: Bala Pillai Subject: RE: Singpost.Com Dispute In-Reply-To: <6665AC0C667ED11186E308002BB487E1014958C2@exchange2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Peng Hwa, I'm talking about Singapore since the subject is Singpost.Com. I know what to say in my mind, but I havn't figured out how to say it without potentially distracting words. And the "how" is lots more important than the "what" to enable one to see the picture. Let me think and think - I'll figure it out. I must. Anybody care to help me - yes me, this lunatic child? cheers../bala bala@apic.net At 05:58 PM 8/24/98 +0800, Ang Peng Hwa (Dr) wrote: >Bala, > > Anybody heard much about this first domain name dispute that >went to the > Singapore courts this week? It was a battle between a small >Serangoon Road, > Singapore based company, Cyberville Technologies that was >providing free > email services off this domain and Singapore Post. What I >hear about the > process is not good for law at all. And law is not going to >be improved if > parties are so scared to talk about it, on the record. Have >there been any > official statements? > >Pray give us some details. I have not read about the case. > > > How do we deal with inbuilt fear of talking? > >Generally in the world? In Singapore? With respect to the above subject? >If you are referencing to the above subject, there is the matter of being >sub judice. And there is some inbuilt fear of offending the courts. The fear >is quite widespread as it is instilled by English law. > > > I guess our pithy domain name/Net issues have to give way to >"bigger > picture" issues . > >Huh? * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 24 22:01:09 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id WAA19963; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:01:09 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from armstrong.apic.net (armstrong.apic.net [203.22.101.2]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA19959 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:01:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from boss.apic.net (boss.apic.net [203.22.102.40]) by armstrong.apic.net (8.8.7/APIC-2.1) with SMTP id XAA18239; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:02:42 +1000 (EST) X-Org: The Asia Pacific Internet Company Pty. Ltd. X-URL: http://www.apic.net/ Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980824230317.00930ee4@mail.apic.net> X-Sender: bala@mail.apic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:03:17 +1000 To: "Mathias Koerber" , "Ang Peng Hwa (Dr)" , From: Bala Pillai Subject: Re: Singpost.Com Dispute In-Reply-To: <05c901bdcf56$96c56d60$f4db7fcb@dean.koerber.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk At 07:59 PM 8/24/98 +0800, Mathias Koerber wrote: >could you please elaborateon this case? What is it that makes this >caseso interesting? Whyshould we/anybosy fear to talkabout this? >What other issues are involved aside from a straightforward domainname >dispute >over a (trademarked? not sure) term (which it appears from what little >I've heard it is?) > >What is it about the process you heard? Okay Mathias - while I figure out how to convey this, can you, since you are based in Singapore, find out under what circumstances a hearing can be "closed". This went into closed hearing. There may be a good reason, there may not be . Obviously, in the interests of law, barring a few exceptions, it would make sense for hearings to be open. What's the justification for this to go into a "closed" hearing? cheers../bala bala@apic.net * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 24 22:14:54 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id WAA19993; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:14:54 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from armstrong.apic.net (armstrong.apic.net [203.22.101.2]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA19989 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:14:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from boss.apic.net (boss.apic.net [203.22.102.40]) by armstrong.apic.net (8.8.7/APIC-2.1) with SMTP id XAA18844; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:16:30 +1000 (EST) X-Org: The Asia Pacific Internet Company Pty. Ltd. X-URL: http://www.apic.net/ Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980824231706.00f80d2c@mail.apic.net> X-Sender: bala@mail.apic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:17:06 +1000 To: "Ang Peng Hwa (Dr)" , apple@apnic.net From: Bala Pillai Subject: RE: Singpost.Com Dispute In-Reply-To: <6665AC0C667ED11186E308002BB487E1014958C2@exchange2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk At 05:58 PM 8/24/98 +0800, Ang Peng Hwa (Dr) wrote: >If you are referencing to the above subject, there is the matter of being >sub judice. And there is some inbuilt fear of offending the courts. The fear >is quite widespread as it is instilled by English law. Peng Hwa, Can you elucidate a bit on the line between sub judice and an open transparent "extrapolatable" legal process? thanks../bala bala@apic.net * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 24 22:20:04 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id WAA20008; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:20:04 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from venus-flytrap.singnet.com.sg (venus-flytrap.singnet.com.sg [165.21.88.201]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA20004 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:19:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from dean (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by venus-flytrap.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA25108; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:21:48 +0800 Message-ID: <064201bdcf62$350f9440$f4db7fcb@dean.koerber.org> Reply-To: "Mathias Koerber" From: "Mathias Koerber" To: "Ang Peng Hwa (Dr)" , , "Bala Pillai" Subject: Re: Singpost.Com Dispute Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:21:41 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Sorry, Bala I'm not a lawyer, and neither do I play one on TV. :-( I would not even know where to start.. I can ask a few lawyer friends, but whether they knowanything about this case, or about domainname disputes, I would not l know. Maybe some other Singapore LAwyers on this list could comment on the form of these hearings? I would also be interested whether (and where) there are any reports on this case? Bala? -----Original Message----- From: Bala Pillai To: Mathias Koerber ; Ang Peng Hwa (Dr) ; apple@apnic.net Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Singpost.Com Dispute |At 07:59 PM 8/24/98 +0800, Mathias Koerber wrote: | |>could you please elaborateon this case? What is it that makes this |>caseso interesting? Whyshould we/anybosy fear to talkabout this? |>What other issues are involved aside from a straightforward domainname |>dispute |>over a (trademarked? not sure) term (which it appears from what little |>I've heard it is?) |> |>What is it about the process you heard? | |Okay Mathias - while I figure out how to convey this, can you, since you |are based in Singapore, find out under what circumstances a hearing can be |"closed". This went into closed hearing. There may be a good reason, there |may not be . Obviously, in the interests of law, barring a few exceptions, |it would make sense for hearings to be open. | |What's the justification for this to go into a "closed" hearing? | |cheers../bala |bala@apic.net | | | * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Tue Aug 25 00:42:56 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id AAA20245; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:42:56 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from iron.singnet.com.sg (iron.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.29]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA20241 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:42:49 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas0728.singnet.com.sg [165.21.57.158]) by iron.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA20463; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:45:32 +0800 (SGT) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 98 23:46:42 Subject: Re: Singpost.Com Dispute To: "Ang Peng Hwa (Dr)" , apple@apnic.net, Bala Pillai , Mathias Koerber X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk I understand that there is such a case filed by Allen & Gledhill on alleged cybersquatting. I will be having with the lawyer involved soon, and will try and find out more soon/ Regards. Laina RG --- On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:21:41 +0800 Mathias Koerber wrote: Sorry, Bala I'm not a lawyer, and neither do I play one on TV. :-( I would not even know where to start.. I can ask a few lawyer friends, but whether they knowanything about this case, or about domainname disputes, I would not l know. Maybe some other Singapore LAwyers on this list could comment on the form of these hearings? I would also be interested whether (and where) there are any reports on this case? Bala? -----Original Message----- From: Bala Pillai To: Mathias Koerber ; Ang Peng Hwa (Dr) ; apple@apnic.net Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Singpost.Com Dispute |At 07:59 PM 8/24/98 +0800, Mathias Koerber wrote: | |>could you please elaborateon this case? What is it that makes this |>caseso interesting? Whyshould we/anybosy fear to talkabout this? |>What other issues are involved aside from a straightforward domainname |>dispute |>over a (trademarked? not sure) term (which it appears from what little |>I've heard it is?) |> |>What is it about the process you heard? | |Okay Mathias - while I figure out how to convey this, can you, since you |are based in Singapore, find out under what circumstances a hearing can be |"closed". This went into closed hearing. There may be a good reason, there |may not be . Obviously, in the interests of law, barring a few exceptions, |it would make sense for hearings to be open. | |What's the justification for this to go into a "closed" hearing? | |cheers../bala |bala@apic.net | | | * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 24/08/98 Time: 23:46:42 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Wed Aug 26 19:39:40 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id TAA25069; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:39:40 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from exchange1.ntu.edu.sg (exchange1.ntu.edu.sg [155.69.1.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA25065 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:39:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:42:55 +0800 Message-ID: <6665AC0C667ED11186E308002BB487E1014958E4@exchange2> From: "Ang Peng Hwa (Dr)" To: "'apple@apnic.net'" Subject: RE: Singpost.Com Dispute Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:42:52 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Bala, Sorry I take a while to get back. I was out getting a life. >Can you elucidate a bit on the line between sub judice and an open >transparent "extrapolatable" legal process? Most, if not all, legal systems contain discussion of a case in court. This is to avoid the "noise" of the sort you read on the Net. The idea is to direct all the relevant information to the court. Sort of "if-you-have-anything-worthwhile-saying-why-not-say-it-in-court-instead-of-t he-coffeeshop". This is to avoid under(sub)mining the court (judice). So juries are not supposed to discuss the facts of the case with anyone except fellow jurors. Thrillers have been written on this very subject. Once the case is over, the matter can be discussed. Does the doctrine curtail freedom of speech? Yes, of course. Different jurisdictions weight speech vs justice differently. Does it mean we in Singapore cannot discuss a case that is going on in Singapore but that you in Australia can post to the Net some "facts" about the case? Yes. Provided you do not land in Singapore. (In the paragraph replace Singapore with Australia and vice versa and the outcome probably holds true as well.) As for the "closed" hearing--it is (my guess) probably some sort of hearing in chambers. The general rule for court cases is to get the matter settled asap because of the costs involved. Much of the legal processes are like icebergs--mostly invisible. It's only on tv shows and in front of highly paid actors that the witness says: "Please, please, I confess!" On commercial matters, the Singapore courts have been rated #1 by various independent consultancies. You can, in fact often, get a date for hearing a High Court case in 3 months. That is why certain trades are conducted in Singapore--so the parties can use Singapore law as the basis for contract. You do not achieve that kind of reputation by being a slouch. Regards, Peng Hwa * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Wed Aug 26 19:52:33 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id TAA25096; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:52:33 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from mail8.ntu.edu.sg ([155.69.1.97]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA25092 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:52:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by MAIL8 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:55:56 +0800 Message-ID: <6665AC0C667ED11186E308002BB487E1014958E5@exchange2> From: "Ang Peng Hwa (Dr)" To: "'apple@apnic.net'" Cc: "Ang Peng Hwa (Dr)" Subject: Malaysia and the arrest of the 4th suspect under the Internal Sec urity Act for rumours over the Internet Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:55:15 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Folks, I'm asking for your reaction to the above incident. How would you react? Background: Email circulates claiming a riot would be started in a shopping area. For some reason, this rumour develops legs and wings and before you know it, many people are out stocking up on essentials--rice, food, oil, videotape. Parties are cancelled. (Someone who organised one told me.) Shops in the area shutter down. The rumour proves false. The Malaysian government arrests the persons (now 4) who spread rumours about the pending riot under the Internal Security Act. Yes, it had the help of the ISP to trace the culprits. Question: If you were a Malaysian government official, how *should* you react. It may colour/color your judgment some but try to see the whole situation through Malaysian lens--economy is souring, neighbouring country just had the sort of riot the email said would happen, etc. If you wish, you may send your email to me directly. I promise to keep your identity confidential (or I'll let you scratch my car, ouch) and I'd summarise the posts. Regards, Peng Hwa ANG * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Thu Aug 27 19:13:02 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id TAA27336; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:13:02 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from iron.singnet.com.sg (iron.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.29]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA27332 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:12:56 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas1216.singnet.com.sg [165.21.58.206]) by iron.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA25322 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:15:42 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 98 18:15:29 Subject: WIPO Panel- new names needed To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk From: "eleazer" To: "Laina Greene" , "anr-talk" , "apia-members" , "apng-all" , "apnic-all" , "apnic-talk" , "APPLe" , "IFWP-AP attendees" Subject: WIPO PANEL - NEW NAMES NEEDED Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:58:33 +0800 RE: WIPO PANE OF EXPERTS - NEW NAMES NEEDED It has been indicated that Taiwan is not a member of WIPO. In this respect, the candidate from Taiwan may not be an appropriate candidate. Therefore additional names have been requested from the remaining list of nominees. We are re-posting the list of candidates for VOTING. Procedure for selection ================= 1 Votes to be sent to eleazer@pacific.net.sg 2 Preferably Votes to be from people residing in this region - please indicate who you are and where you are located when you vote. 3 Votes sent in after 3.00 p.m. SGT on Monday, 31st August 98 will not be considered. 4 Any additional names with email addresses to be added should be added by tomorrow 12 noon, SGT 28 August 98. If new names are added, new list will be posted after this time. 5 Although ONLY ONE NAME in addition to Roger Hicks is needed, we intend to submit 2 NAMES indicating order of priority based on number of votes. 6 FINAL posting of result will be posted after 3 p.m. SGT on Monday, 31st August 98. Previous method of posting updates will not be done. ================ No. 1 Nominee: Laina Raveendran Greene, GetIT Pte Ltd, Singapore No. 2 Nominee: James Lee, Kent Ridge Digital Labs, Singapore No. 3 Nominee: Rajesh Sreenavasan, Rajah & Tan, Singapore No. 4 Nominee: Gilbert Leong, Legal Officer, Singapore No. 5 Nominee: Charles Lim, Attoney General Chamber, Singapore No. 6 Nominee: Professor Dr Srisakdi Charmonman, APNIC Council, Thailand No. 7 Nominee: Shariya Haniz Zulkifli, MIMOS, Malaysia No. 8 Nominee: Patrick Fair, Philips Fox Lawyers, Australia No. 9 Nominee: Patrick J O'Brien, Domainz, NZ No.10 Nominee: Tan Tin Wee, NUS, Singapore No.11 Nominee: Tan Tee Jim, Allen & Gledhill, Singapore No.12 Nominee: Gabriel Accascina, Programme Manager/Regional Coordinator, APDIP No. 13 Nominee: Dr Ching-chun Hsieh, Research fellow of the Institute of Information, Science, Academia Sinica No. 16 Nominee: Dr Paul Liu, Prof.,Grauate Institute of Technology and Innovation Management, National Chengchi University No. 17 Nominee: Peter Dengate Thrush, patent attorney, now barrister-sole, specialising in intellectual property matters, NZ No. 18 Nominee: Harish Pillay, Brokat Asia, Singapore Regards, eleazer chia Asia & Pacific Internet Association (APIA) APIA Secretariat email: apia-sec@apia.org url: http://www.apia.org tel: +65 834-2960 fax: +65 836-2516 promoting the common business interests of the region's internet-related service industry ~~~ a forum for dialogue, a channel for input ~~~ -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 27/08/98 Time: 18:15:29 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Thu Aug 27 23:24:28 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id XAA27891; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:24:28 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from iron.singnet.com.sg (iron.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.29]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA27887 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:24:21 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas0623.singnet.com.sg [165.21.57.93]) by iron.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA04945; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:27:01 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 98 21:40:37 Subject: RE: Singpost.Com Dispute To: "'apple@apnic.net'" , "Ang Peng Hwa (Dr)" X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk BTW, I managed to obtain some information today regarding the Singapore Post case. It has been settled out of court, and of course the terms of the settlement are confidential. What is important I think is the following: Fact: A company, with a completely different name, registered singpost.com, when Singapore Post has the url singpost.com.sg. This company could show no particular reason for registering this name. It even used the Singapore Post colours on the website, and it was doing redirection of e-mail, similar to redirection of posts. Issue of law: The issue was not that there was an infringement based on trademarks (which I am glad to hear, otherwise it would have set a wrong precedent), but on passing off. The use of Singapore Post colours, not having a legitimate reason for using the name, and the similar "product", were all factors contributing to a passing off case, and lack of good faith. The case has been settled and no precedents of law set on this. Details are also unlikely to make it to the press as such. But I thought that the fact that the case was not fought along trademark lines, reassuring. Domain names should never be presumed to be trademarks, but trademark infringment should be proven. Even dilution cases have other elements other than just proving famous marks. This was a significant concensus point during the IFWP process, where it was agreed that there can be domain name owners with concurrent rights to trademark owners, and domain names can be based on other than trademarks (Milton was instrumental in inserting this into the process). REgards, Laina RG * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Fri Aug 28 01:26:08 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id BAA28477; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:26:08 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id BAA28473 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:26:03 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas2714.singnet.com.sg [165.21.55.144]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA08612; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:25:12 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 98 22:50:06 Subject: comments to draft IANA laws X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Dear Jon and Joe, I submitted to you these comments to you before but too late to be included in your third draft, I do apologise for that. Having read the third draft, I see that they are still valid points and I am resubmitting them with some additional comments. I hope they will be useful to your fourth iteration, if any. BTW, it would be helpful if you underlined the changes next time so it would be easier for others to see where the amendments have been made without having to read the entire document word for word. Thanks. Laina Raveendran Greene ========================================================================== 1) Article IV- a) Interesting. Why has a provision been added on reporting when compensation other than expenses and reimbursements made to Directors? Does this mean there can be salary compensation to Directors sometimes? Is this not different from the spirit of the first few drafts and Section 22 of Article VI? b) Last para relating to "In addition, the Initial Board shall investigate the development..." The input from various meetings and the White Paper seem to indicate that this should be developed. So perhaps, you could list some of the possible policies, e.g. ability to review drafts, open and fair hearing panels, etc., and say details to be developed by Initial Board. Some details are there but none relating to input prior to decision making, only post. For example, how about using e-mail other than just the website. c) The last line of that para says the Board shall adopt these procedures. Which Board? The Intitial Board or future Boards? By when? May be useful to specify. d) Some additions in draft 3 are good. For example, publishing of minutes within 10 days of approval are good. Such clarity should be adopted throughout as far as possible. 2) Article V and Art VI section 17 >From a reading of the articles, it would appear that a quorum is a simple majority of Directors. Then, a decision is made from a simple majority of that 1/2. This may not satisfy the requirement by the White Paper that "procedures which protects against a self-interested faction. For example, super majority: ... you may need to have procedures that indicate which routine matters would abide by 1/2 of 1/2, but matters of policy adoption (e.g. the adding of new TLDs) should say 2/3 of 2/3 of Directors or something to that effect. 3) Issue of supporting Organisations & membership issue-Art VII a) The IFWP process and the White Paper endorses the creation of councils - (White Paper - separate names and number councils can be formed within a single organisation. Policy could be determined within the appropriate council that would submit its recommendations to the new corporations Board of Directors for ratification"). The impression I got from some of these discussions, was the Councils had members. The Councils then represented members interests in the Board. There is a membership concept, although of course there is no unanimous definition of who this membership is. Instead the IANA draft sets up the Supporting Organisations and its Councils, as sort of advisory committees that the Board sets up, recognises who can be members, and determines what it can do. In other words Board also determined who can and cannot be members to the organisation. This will go against the grain of the issue of membership, as well as the issue of accountability. Art VII section 1 - Supporting Organization (SO) act as advisory bodies of the Board ... have such powers and duties as prescribed by the Board..... b) Art VII - section 3 - scope of SO defined by Board, ....and if in end after process of sending issues back, Board can amend and adopt by majority vote On the last point, there may be a need for super majority of those attending (quorum is still 1/2) instead of simple majority. c) Art VII section 3 - Board will review and ratify qualifications for membership to SO. This is a closed structure. It is clearly different from the issues raised in the White Paper, to have accountability, avoid capture of the organisation, and White Paper says "Board Members should be elected from the membership"....indication of an open and accountable body..and the Board is accountable to membership, not the other way around. Therefore, if the members are to be the Supporting Organisations, then it is even more imperative that the Supporting Organisation and not the Board should determine membership qualifications, purposes etc, and the Board if at all merely ratifies, endorses or rejects with reasons for reevaluation. d) I have noted with interest the additions to the last para of Section 4 of Article VII, i.e. Section 4B - regarding the Board reviewing application by an entity to be a Supporting Organisation. "...shall approve if organised in accordance with the Bylaws" followed by clear guidelines. The criteria laid out are commendable, and perhaps the approach should be that Section 4 are the guidelines for supporting organisations to be recognised as members of the new IANA, rather than the Board of the new IANA having a say also in who joins the SOs as indicated by Section 3. In other words, as long as they follow these guidelines, they should be recognised. There should be no need for Section 3. The Board should not have too much say in who joins etc, as long as the SO can prove it functions within these guidelines. e) These comments are of course only relevant also if only the SOs as the members, and the Board is elected by the SOs (the IANA draft merely says that SOs nominate candidates, not elect. It says the Board elects from these candidates - too closed a structure if this is the case). Also, there is still an open issue of whether the Board should also be elected by the at large community. This is not clear from the draft, although mention is made of at-large members. The election according to the draft is made by a Directors meeting. 4) Structure of Board Here I find it very confusing.. a) Art VI section 2 last sentence indicates that the Board shall elect the Intial Board? How can this be so? Unless what you meant to say was the Interim Board shall elect the Initial Board or Initial Board elects the Board. If that is what was meant, then here are some drafting suggestions.. b) The Art VI section1 should say: "Initial Board of Directors of the Corporation (Interim Board) shall consist of nine at large members and the President (when appointed)." The words preceding this in Section 1 should come under a new section entitled Board: "President + directors nominated....." This is suggested since Supporting Organisations do not yet exists, since they have to be recognised by the Board (perhaps it should say Initial Board) c) Section 2 should be redrafted to read: "Immediately upon the recognition of a supporting organisation by the Initial Board pursuant to Section 4(B) of Art VII, the Initial Board shall request that such Supporting Organisation (nominate) (elect) three persons to be director. Upon receipt of such (nominations) (elected names), the Initial Board shall (elect) (recognises) (ratify) such persons as members of the Board." This however does not solve the issue of who elects...which is why I added the various bracketted versions, that perhaps the Board merely recognises or ratifies. This is to follow the spirit of a membership elected Board, thereby adding some level of accountability. d) The election of the Initial Board itself remains unclear. How are these nine members at large to be elected? It may be helpful to specify. For example, plurarity of votes from the comunity at large, having solicited names from the community at large. 5) Government involvement Section 5 may be a problem for some people in this region. Many of the NICs here have governmental involvement, and this would preclude individuals from these organisations from being represented on the Board. Perhaps some amendment to reflect legitimate interest in the issues exception. While the amendment has been added to the new draft to define what an "official" is, this does not address whether a government officer in a NIC is considered "employed by such government.....and whose primary function with such government is to develop or influence governmental or public policies." Perhaps some more clarity or exemptions could be specified to help address this issue. 6) Election issue- Section 9 A indicates that Directors elect Directors Section 9-B says SO nominates but through a process the Board dictates and Board votes on these nominations. Section 9 C- at large members again, nominated at large but voted in by at-large members of Initial Board. This will go against the White Paper which says that the Board is to be elected by membership. Also IFWP meetings indicated this, This is accountability as well. Suggestion to change election to either be made by SOs or members at large, or a combination of both. 7) Impeachment Section 11- Directors removed by Directors.. Impeachment is a mechanism of accountability and usually a tool for members, not fellow Directors. Need some amendment here too. 8) Some other useful additions worth noting,Section23, Section 24 of Art VI, 9) Art VIII - Section 3 - good addition of Government advisory committee to address some concerns aired, especially from Asia and Europe. Please note however under Section 6 of Art VI, that Australia is not a region, it is a country. Australasia however is a region. Is this what you intended to add instead? Here are some quick comments I have, and I hope it will be considered. REgards, Laina RG ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 27/08/98 Time: 22:50:06 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Fri Aug 28 01:27:07 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id BAA28490; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:27:07 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (zinc.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.31]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id BAA28486 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:26:58 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas2714.singnet.com.sg [165.21.55.144]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA20774 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:29:39 +0800 (SGT) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 98 00:31:19 Subject: FW: [ifwp] re: Domain Name Trafficking To: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk --- On Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:10:56 -0400 "Martin B. Schwimmer" wrote: The entire U.K. Court of Appeal judgment regarding domain name trafficking is available at http://www.smithbernal.com/casebase_search_frame.htm Search for 'one in a million' __________________________________________________ To view the archive of this list, go to: http://lists.interactivehq.org/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=ifwp To receive the digest version instead, send a blank email to ifwp-digest@lists.interactivehq.org To SUBSCRIBE forward this message to: subscribe-IFWP@lists.interactivehq.org To UNSUBSCRIBE, forward this message to: unsubscribe-ifwp@lists.interactivehq.org Problems/suggestions regarding this list? Email andy@interactivehq.org. ___END____________________________________________ -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 28/08/98 Time: 00:31:19 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sat Aug 29 12:08:44 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id MAA02849; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:08:44 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA02845 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:08:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from IST.SYR.EDU (ist.syr.edu [128.230.182.180]) by syr.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19018; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IST/SpoolDir by IST.SYR.EDU (Mercury 1.21); 28 Aug 98 23:11:23 EDT Received: from SpoolDir by IST (Mercury 1.21); 28 Aug 98 23:10:38 EDT Received: from syr.edu by IST.SYR.EDU (Mercury 1.21) with ESMTP; 28 Aug 98 23:10:35 EDT Message-ID: <35E7714B.70ED5D@syr.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:11:07 -0400 From: mueller Reply-To: mueller@syr.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: anr-talk@anr.org, apple@apnic.net Subject: Re: WIPO PANEL - NEW NAMES NEEDED References: <000201bdd1a1$f3132560$f2f018d2@fpgbrwgh> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk This is a very bad decision. WIPO asked for a "panel of experts." It did not say anything about the person's citizenship in a country that is a signatory to the WIPO treaty. The members of the panel cannot be considered representatives of their country in any event. If WIPO wanted representatives of national governments, it should have asked its member states. Expertise in the issues required to assess the relationship between domain names and trademarks does not require membership in WIPO or any connection whatsoever to WIPO. eleazer wrote: > RE: WIPO PANE OF EXPERTS - NEW NAMES NEEDED > > It has been indicated Indicated by whom? > that Taiwan is not a member of WIPO. > In this respect, the candidate from Taiwan may not be an appropriate > candidate. Therefore additional names have been requested from the remaining > list of > nominees. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sat Aug 29 14:04:18 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id OAA03108; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:04:18 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA03104 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:04:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA14016; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:06:48 -0500 Message-ID: <0e9501bdd30a$3061ee60$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: "IFWP Discussion List" Cc: Subject: Re: [ifwp] Re: FW: comments to draft IANA laws Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:01:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Tony Rutkowski To: IFWP Discussion List Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 10:13 PM Subject: [ifwp] Re: FW: comments to draft IANA laws >Laina, > >It's not apparent there are any substantive changes in >the new Postel draft that are responsive to key concerns >and principles expressed by the preponderance of participants >at the meetings. If anything, that draft gets worse, not >better, with each iteration. > Tony, I am not sure that it will matter what form the new IANA Inc. takes. With the legacy Root Name Server control out of the IANA's hands and distributed to the various parties that operate that RSC, plus the coming of more RSCs, I do not think the new IANA will be making the final decision on new TLDs. Also, with ARIN handling the "remaining" addresses in the IPv4 space, the IANA can wash its hands of that function. RIPE and APNIC can get /8 address blocks from ARIN. In the end, there may not be much left for the new IANA Inc. to do. This should take much of the pressure off of the 9 proposed board members who can probably be selected at random until 9 willing people are located. In summary, there may not be any assets left in the IANA Inc., therefore people may not be as concerned about the details of the bylaws, etc. Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sat Aug 29 21:27:52 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id VAA03664; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:27:52 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA03660 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:27:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster ([207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA16106; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:29:53 -0500 Message-ID: <0ee601bdd348$1ed00fe0$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: Cc: , , Subject: Who will bake the bread ? Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:22:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Dave Crocker >At 05:04 PM 8/28/98 +0100, Mark Measday wrote: >>It might be worth noting the Berkman Center have put up a handy comparison >>structure to compare WP suggestions with IANA, NSI and IFWP drafts. It is > >There is no "IFWP draft", especially since the IFWP process has been >designed to promote discussion, rather than having any structure which >permits assessing broad consensus. > I agree. This was made clear in Chicago this past week. Tamar Frankel did not bring forward an IFWP Draft. I suspect that one of the reasons is that Tamar and many other people have no intention of starting a corporation, called IANA Inc., and actually going through the motions to serve the public. This all goes back to the story about the little red hen and the ups and downs of getting help to create a loaf of bread. People want to eat the bread but they may not be willing to gather the wheat, kneed the dough, or bake the bread. Whether people like it or not, Jon Postel stood in front of thousands of people and told them that he is willing to bake the bread. Tamar Frankel did not do that. She was at the SAME meeting, with the SAME people and could have provided a clear plan for how she plans to create a loaf of bread. There were hungry people there. Jon Postel fed them what they wanted to hear. Not only did Jon feed them, several other people pointed out that they had spent substantial amounts of time, energy and I suspect money flying around the world WITH Tamar Frankel helping to debate the recipes for the bread and other details. Sure some of the people were unaware of the details but their main interest was...."Where is the bread ?". Jon Postel and the IAB went on record as having a solution. The IFWP did NOT do that. The IFWP can not do that. The IFWP has no one to my knowledge that intends to bake the bread. Please look at the reality of the situation. Jon Postel is NOW going to create a corporation to handle the existing IANA functions. He will bake the bread. ARIN has been created. People there are willing to bake the bread. ORSC has been incorporated. People seem willing to bake the bread, but I am not sure they have decided what recipe they are going to use. NSI is incorporated, they are baking bread every day and loaves are pouring from their ovens and people are lined up to purchase them. CORE is apparently incorporated in Switzerland and seems to be willing to bake some bread. POC is apparently incorporated in the U.S. and apparently willing to bake some bread in conjunction with CORE. More clarity would be useful there. Other companies are making plans to bake bread. While all of this is happening the ISOC is of course baking more bread with trade shows. ISPs are baking bread with more networks, servers, etc. In my opinion, the U.S. Government does not need to re-enter the picture. The Registry Industry is moving forward as people step up to bake the bread. Now is NOT the time for everyone to become distracted by people that want to TALK about recipes for bread. Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sun Aug 30 01:59:56 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id BAA03864; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 01:59:56 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from alpha.apnic.net (alpha.apnic.net [203.37.255.97]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id BAA03860 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 01:59:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by alpha.apnic.net (8.8.7/SCO5) with SMTP id DAA28985 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 03:02:35 +1000 (EST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA16497; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:57:26 -0500 Message-ID: <0f6601bdd36d$5bd4a340$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: , Cc: "IFWP Discussion List" , , , Subject: Re: [ifwp] Who will bake the bread ? Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:52:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Richard J. Sexton To: list@ifwp.org Cc: IFWP Discussion List ; apple@apnic.net ; DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET ; domain-policy@open-rsc.org Date: Saturday, August 29, 1998 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [ifwp] Who will bake the bread ? >At 07:22 AM 8/29/98 -0500, Jim Fleming wrote: >>Please look at the reality of the situation. Jon Postel >>is NOW going to create a corporation to handle the >>existing IANA functions. He will bake the bread. >> >>ARIN has been created. People there are willing to >>bake the bread. >> >>ORSC has been incorporated. People seem willing >>to bake the bread, but I am not sure they have decided >>what recipe they are going to use. >> >>NSI is incorporated, they are baking bread every day >>and loaves are pouring from their ovens and people >>are lined up to purchase them. >> >>CORE is apparently incorporated in Switzerland and >>seems to be willing to bake some bread. >> >>POC is apparently incorporated in the U.S. and >>apparently willing to bake some bread in conjunction >>with CORE. More clarity would be useful there. >> >>Other companies are making plans to bake bread. >>While all of this is happening the ISOC is of course >>baking more bread with trade shows. ISPs are baking >>bread with more networks, servers, etc. > >And the ISOC trade shows are very usefull to show stalls >where all this bread baking can be displayed. > >If all the bread factories above cooperate, I'm not sure >there is a need for a bread marketing board, AKA IANA 1 or 2. > That is correct. If you look at all of the organizations above and imagine that they are in a circle around a round table, IANA can be considered to be at the center of table. As all of the organizations above take a piece of the old IANA and institutionalize it, then the IANA shrinks and shrinks and POOF...is gone... Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Sun Aug 30 02:37:54 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id CAA03918; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:37:54 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id CAA03914 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:37:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA16595; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:40:23 -0500 Message-ID: <0f9101bdd373$5a3d2ba0$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: "Milton Mueller" Cc: "Mikki Barry" , "Ellen Rony" , "Tony Rutkowski" , , "Christopher Ambler" , , "Dan Steinberg" , "Tamar Frankel" , "IFWP ORG" , , Subject: Tamar's IETF Appearance Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:34:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Milton, If you would like to try to continue making people think that the IFWP operates in an "open" forum, then I will be happy to continue discussing the past, present and future with you. In other words, I will call your bluff and place the burden on YOU that your process is open. Before we do that, please disclose all of the events leading up to Tamar Frankel's appearance this past week at the IETF. Please note that Jon Postel was listed on the agenda on the IETF web site well in advance of the meeting. That was an open disclosure. My first knowledge of Tamar's appearance was when Fred Baker the chair of the IETF put up the agenda slide in front of thousands of people. It showed Don Heath leading off, followed by some guy from London with a tech talk, and then there it was...Tamar Frankel followed by Jon Postel...followed by the IAB and then the IESG...my jaw dropped... I have one question..."Who set Tamar Frankel up ?" Have at it Milton and all of the rest of you, "behind closed doors IFWP people"...let's hear how this came about...then let's hear about all of your grand plans and solutions and your in with Ira Magaziner and anything else that you think is important... The floor is YOURS...just like the floor in front of those thousands of people was handed to Tamar Frankel...let's see what you do with it... Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 31 00:24:36 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id AAA13799; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:24:36 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA13795 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:24:31 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas2012.singnet.com.sg [165.21.53.202]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA00805; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:27:16 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 98 23:27:51 Subject: WIPO- please keep it in perspective To: anr-talk@anr.org Cc: apple@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Dear Mr Wu and Prof Liu, I would beg that you keep the issue in perspective with WIPO. They have not said yet that it WILL be a problem, but that it might. The additional names are in case there is a problem. Also, the votes we have over e-mails were very informal and they only reached out to the various mailing lists participants. We cannot ever claim that Prof Liu is to represent the WHOLE region nor even these mailing list participants. Also what we are giving are only recommendations. WIPO has asked many other people in this region for recommendations, and so we have no guarantee that either of the names will be accepted. If they have more support for the other candidates that others have proposed, then they may take that. More effectively, I would instead suggest that you also get Prof Liu's name suggested to WIPO through other channels, such as through the Taiwan authorities or China, or any other WIPO member countries. Having her name come from many channels will have more strength, than just claiming she has the support of all these mailing lists or her expertise. Please when contacting WIPO, do so with consideration of his position. They are trying to fair, and if they feels this has backfired, they may never ask us again and stick only to their official channels. Besides, the WIPO Panel, is also not the only channel of input. There is three regional meetings to come, and these will be open to a wide group to parcticipate, and other opportunities there will also come. I am sure she is the best in her field, and I hope she will help in other activities we have in this region, e.g. APPle meetings. REgards, Laina RG --- On Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:43:49 +0800 Kuo-Wei Wu wrote: It is my point in the last two mail. As the time, I recommend Prof. Liu as the candidate, I though about her law background and good connection to the Cyberlaw institution (Hardvard Law School) which can provide excellent consultancy and help. I never thought about the nationality at all. How to recommend a real "expert" (not just a person) to represent AP region to benefit to all of us. And if WIPO asked for a "panel of experts" and not real "expert", then they should just go ahead to ask from their member states, not from AP Internet community. Is it possible for us to know who is the contact person in the WIPO ? And we can contact him/her directly about the real concern is ? Kuo Wu > This is a very bad decision. WIPO asked for a "panel of experts." It did not say > anything about the person's citizenship in a country that is a signatory to the > WIPO treaty. The members of the panel cannot be considered representatives of > their country in any event. > If WIPO wanted representatives of national governments, it should have asked its > member states. > > Expertise in the issues required to assess the relationship between domain names > and trademarks does not require membership in WIPO or any connection whatsoever > to WIPO. > > eleazer wrote: > > > RE: WIPO PANE OF EXPERTS - NEW NAMES NEEDED > > > > It has been indicated > > Indicated by whom? > > > that Taiwan is not a member of WIPO. > > In this respect, the candidate from Taiwan may not be an appropriate > > candidate. Therefore additional names have been requested from the remaining > > list of > > nominees. -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 30/08/98 Time: 23:27:51 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 31 00:27:30 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id AAA13817; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:27:30 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA13806 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:27:11 +0900 (JST) From: laina@singnet.com.sg Received: from laina (qtas2012.singnet.com.sg [165.21.53.202]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA00784; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:27:05 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 98 23:16:38 Subject: WIPO PANEL - please keep this within perspective To: anr-talk@anr.org Cc: apple@apnic.net, ±iµ½¬F , ªL®Ú½å , §d·ç¥_ , ¼BÀR©É , ªL¸ÛÁ¾ , ¶À³Ó¶¯ , ´¿¾¤©ú , ³¯¥ß²» , ³¯¦~¿³ , ¤¨²M®ü , §d­«²» , ³¯¥¿µM X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk I would beg that you keep the issue in perspective with WIPO. They have not said yet that it WILL be a problem, but that it might. The additional names are in case there is a problem. Also, the votes we have over e-mails were very informal and they only reached out to the various mailing lists participants. We cannot ever claim that Prof Liu is to represent the WHOLE region nor even these mailing list participants. Also what we are giving are only recommendations. WIPO has asked many other people in this region for recommendations, and so we have no guarantee that either of the names will be accepted. If they have more support for the other candidates that others have proposed, then they may take that. More effectively, I would instead suggest that you also get Prof Liu's name suggested to WIPO through other channels, such as through the Taiwan authorities or China, or any other WIPO member countries. Having her name come from many channels will have more strength, than just claiming she has the support of all these mailing lists or her expertise. Please when contacting WIPO, do so with consideration of his position. They are trying to fair, and if they feels this has backfired, they may never ask us again and stick only to their official channels. Besides, the WIPO Panel, is also not the only channel of input. There is three regional meetings to come, and these will be open to a wide group to parcticipate, and other opportunities there will also come. I am sure she is the best in her field, and I hope she will help in other activities we have in this region, e.g. APPle meetings. REgards, Laina RG --- On Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:43:49 +0800 Kuo-Wei Wu wrote: It is my point in the last two mail. As the time, I recommend Prof. Liu as the candidate, I though about her law background and good connection to the Cyberlaw institution (Hardvard Law School) which can provide excellent consultancy and help. I never thought about the nationality at all. How to recommend a real "expert" (not just a person) to represent AP region to benefit to all of us. And if WIPO asked for a "panel of experts" and not real "expert", then they should just go ahead to ask from their member states, not from AP Internet community. Is it possible for us to know who is the contact person in the WIPO ? And we can contact him/her directly about the real concern is ? Kuo Wu > This is a very bad decision. WIPO asked for a "panel of experts." It did not say > anything about the person's citizenship in a country that is a signatory to the > WIPO treaty. The members of the panel cannot be considered representatives of > their country in any event. > If WIPO wanted representatives of national governments, it should have asked its > member states. > > Expertise in the issues required to assess the relationship between domain names > and trademarks does not require membership in WIPO or any connection whatsoever > to WIPO. > > eleazer wrote: > > > RE: WIPO PANE OF EXPERTS - NEW NAMES NEEDED > > > > It has been indicated > > Indicated by whom? > > > that Taiwan is not a member of WIPO. > > In this respect, the candidate from Taiwan may not be an appropriate > > candidate. Therefore additional names have been requested from the remaining > > list of > > nominees. -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------- Name: Laina Raveendran Greene E-mail: laina@singnet.com.sg Date: 30/08/98 Time: 23:16:39 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 31 06:34:58 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id GAA14274; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 06:34:58 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id GAA14270 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 06:34:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA20561; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:37:26 -0500 Message-ID: <131601bdd45d$5dccecc0$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: "Multiple recipients of list" , Cc: , "IFWP ORG" , , Subject: Re: CIX's Position in the IFWP Steering Committee detailed below Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:30:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Eric Weisberg Since you asked... > >My questions: > >1. What is really at "stake?" the process?> > IPv4 and IPv6 address space resources are somewhat at stake. Attempts by people to capture them for their own financial gain are going unnoticed while people are being distracted with the domain name debates. That strategy was articulated by I* people long ago and appears to still be working. In my opinion, IPv4, IPv6 and for that matter IPv8 address space resources should be FREE !! Or, people should not be profiting from the sale/lease/loan/delegation/allocation etc. of those critical resources without strict scrutiny on what costs are actually involved (if any) to manage those allocations. >2. Is Jim Flemming correct that this is not worth getting excited about? > I think that it is more important to get excited about the IPv4 address space management issues than the TLD debates. TLDs are now being created, they are being tested in various Root Name Server Clusters around the world and soon the legacy Root Name Server Cluster that has been controlled by the U.S. Government will no longer have excuses from the NSF about why the new TLDs can not be recognized there. In summary, TLDs are in good shape. >3. Should the remnant of the IFWP dedicated to negotiating a fair, open and >"democratic" solution continue the process to closure? > As I have said, I believe that the people that have assembled with good intentions under the IFWP banner and who have now become better educated about the issues should move forward with ANY MEETING THEY WANT and the topic of that meeting should focus on the REAL problems and NOT problems that some people are trying to divert people's attention to, in order to distract attention from their financial boondoggles they continue to operate without public oversight. >4. What should be our next steps? > I suggest that you have your meeting in Boston and focus on the real problem....IN-ADDR.ARPA. Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 31 06:59:45 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id GAA14331; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 06:59:45 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id GAA14327 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 06:59:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA20611; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:02:16 -0500 Message-ID: <132101bdd460$d1e5f720$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: Cc: "ietf@ietf.org" , , "IFWP ORG" , Subject: Re: CIX's Position in the IFWP Steering Committee detailed below Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:54:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Richard J. Sexton To: domain-policy@open-rsc.org Cc: apple@apnic.net ; IFWP ORG ; domain-policy@open-rsc.org ; DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 4:55 PM Subject: Re: CIX's Position in the IFWP Steering Committee detailed below >At 04:30 PM 8/30/98 -0500, Jim Fleming wrote: >>>4. What should be our next steps? >> >>I suggest that you have your meeting in Boston >>and focus on the real problem....IN-ADDR.ARPA. > >Mothods for syncronizing root servers. >Sofwtare to find the best root servers for >you relative to where you are. >Unicity of contact handles. >whois. rwhois http://www.rwhois.net/rwhois/docs.html >figuring out what to do with the IIF > >you know... real work > > Yes, we should probably start drafting RFCs and get the IETF working groups involved. Since the IETF is working in IPv6 plans that describe policies on how money is going to flow between various organizations, it seems like the IETF role has been expanded to include business discussions, even though people claimed they were just doing engineering. http://www.6bone.net/tla-assign-04.htm It may likely take several RFCs to clean up the IN-ADDR.ARPA mess. I think that many of the engineering approaches that were pioneered in the alternate Root Name Server Cluster (RSC) movement can be used. In the end, I think that we should strive for a fully distributed system that does not require that ANY money change hands for IPv4 addresses. Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 31 10:26:31 1998 Received: by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id KAA14825; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:26:31 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA14821 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:26:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA20989; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:29:06 -0500 Message-ID: <13bf01bdd47d$acfffce0$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: "IFWP Discussion List" Cc: , "ietf@ietf.org" , "IFWP ORG" , , , , Subject: Re: [ifwp] Re: announcement from the Berkman Center Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:21:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Gomes To: IFWP Discussion List Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 8:18 PM Subject: [ifwp] Re: announcement from the Berkman Center >Craig, > >If I understand what you said below, then I conclude that root server coordination is >a critical function. Recent history has demonstrated that IANA does not have the >authority to do that. > >Chuck Gomes > That is a well-documented fact. In my opinion, that is one of the reasons why I do not think that people should get their knickers in a knot about some small, NON-PROFIT, company that Jon Postel and his ITAG advisors are trying to start in California. Furthermore, I do not think that people should get concerned that Jon Postel will enter into the Root Name Server business because that is a business "ordinarily carried on for profit" and that would violate the IRS laws. I am sure that Jon Postel and the ITAG would not want their new non-profit company to violate the law as its first order of business. http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/prod/bus_info/eo/index.html http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/prod/bus_info/eo/bus-orgs.html @@@@ http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/prod/bus_info/eo/bl-req.html "No part of its net earnings may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual and it may not be organized for profit or organized to engage in an activity ordinarily carried on for profit (even if the business is operated on a cooperative basis or produces only sufficient income to be self-sustaining)." @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.com P.S. If the IETF people thought that they were applauding for Jon Postel to somehow enter the Root Namer Server business, then they may have been better served to have read the proposed IANA documents, to study what IANA does, and to be better advised by the IAB. One would hope that the IETF people were not cheering to encourage Jon Postel to break the law. * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 31 11:48:00 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id LAA15035; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:48:00 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from doorstep.unety.net (ns.unety.net [207.32.128.1]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA15031 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:47:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from webster (webster.unir.net [207.32.159.5]) by doorstep.unety.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA21147 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:50:31 -0500 Message-ID: <13ed01bdd489$08038b60$059f20cf@webster.unir.net> Reply-To: "Jim Fleming" From: "Jim Fleming" To: Subject: Fw: [ AURSC ] Application for RC and ROC TLD's Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:42:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk .RC and .ROC requests for comments.... -----Original Message----- From: Adam Todd To: aursc@lists.ah.net Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 8:53 PM Subject: [ AURSC ] Application for RC and ROC TLD's >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >AURSC Information and User Mail List. Open. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >Please take note of the following application request. > >I have request a viewing of the Policy for ROC as both AURSC and IRSC have >no issues in realtion to 3 letter TLD's, but RC could present a problem. > >RC might be listed now or in the future in the ISO country codes list. Its >important that we consider whether this may or may not become a confusions >or issue in the future. > >Currently the policy is to AVOID 2 letter codes not already applied for or >active before July 1, 1997 unless listed in the Legacy Root Zone file. > >I'm open to discussion on this matter. > >For convenience I have CC'd this to the IRSC mail list so that IRSC Members >(IRSC members are those who run a Root Server, not observers, although >comments are welcome) can post their Position on this matter. > > >Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:07:04 +0200 >From: =?BIG5?B?Vy5MLkNoYW8gu6+xqa3b?= >To: dnr@aursc.ah.net >Subject: A TLD entry > >Hello, > >I would like to apply for two entries into the Root Servers. > >RC & ROC Republic of China TLD > >Thanks a lot > >Yours sincerely, > > >Wei-Lun Chao > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Adam Todd http://adamtodd.ah.net >Business Development, Technology, Domain Registration and Network Advisory >Phone +61 2 9729 0565 - Todd Corporation http://www.todd.inoz.com >Fax +61 2 4659 6786 - AHNET http://www.ah.net > - AURSC http://www.aursc.ah.net >Telstra Reseller and Telstra Convey Member (Not an Employee of Telstra) > Get the DOMAIN NAME HANDBOOK NOW http://www.domainhandbook.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >To unsubscribe send email to list@lists.ah.net with the body containing >unsubscribe aursc user@domain.name >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > * APPLe: To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe" to apple-request@apnic.net * From owner-apple Mon Aug 31 15:12:35 1998 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id PAA15576; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:12:35 +0900 (JST) X-Authentication-Warning: teckla.apnic.net: majordomo set sender to owner-apple@postoffice.apnic.net using -f Received: from singapura.singnet.com.sg (singapura.singnet.com.sg [165.21.10.10]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA15572; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:12:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (mathias@localhost) by singapura.singnet.com.sg (8.8.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id OAA04850; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:12:35 +0800 (SST) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:12:33 +0800 (SST) From: Mathias Koerber X-Sender: mathias@singapura.singnet.com.sg Reply-To: mathias@staff.singnet.com.sg To: anr-admin@anr.org cc: Laina Greene , anr-talk , apia-members , apng-all , apnic-all , apnic-talk , APPLe , IFWP-AP attendees Subject: Re: [anr-talk 385] Re: WIPO PANEL - FURTHER CLARIFICATION & STATUS REPORT In-Reply-To: <000001bdd4a3$805edbe0$847718d2@fpgbrwgh> Message-ID: X-Disclaimer: I don't speak for anyone except for myself (and to myself sometimes) Organization: SingNet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-apple@apnic.net Precedence: bulk I thought I did before, but I'll vote again: 1. Gilbert Leong 2. Patrick O'Brien On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, eleazer wrote: | Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:51:30 +0800 | From: eleazer | Reply-To: anr-admin@anr.org | To: Laina Greene , anr-talk , | apia-members , apng-all , | apnic-all , apnic-talk , | APPLe , IFWP-AP attendees | Subject: [anr-talk 385] Re: WIPO PANEL - FURTHER CLARIFICATION & STATUS REPORT | | 1 FURTHER CLARIFICATION | | The 2 names from the previous round, namely Roger Hicks and Liu Ching-Yi | were in fact been submitted to WIPO. This new round of votes is only to get | additional names. The criteria for selection within WIPO will depend on | several factors including support from other sources. There has never been | any guarantee given to us that any of the names we have submitted will be | accepted. Over and above, WIPO are gathering names from other sources. | | 2 NEW NAME ADDED FOR CONSIDERATION | | No. 19 Kanchana Kanchanasut, Asian Institute of Technology, Thailand | proposer : Pornthep Narula, National Electronics & Computer | Technology Center (NECTEC) | | 3 A REMINDER - CLOSING OF VOTES at 3 P.M. SGT (31/08/98) | | 4 STATUS OF VOTES CAST as of 1.45 P.M. SGT (31/08/98) | =========== | No. 1 Nominee: Laina Raveendran Greene, GetIT Pte Ltd, Singapore | vote1 Jin Ho Hur, Chair of APIA Board | vote2 Ang Peng Hwa, Singapore | vote3 Bernard Randall, Singapore | vote4 Pornthep Narula, Thailand | vote5 Norbert Klein, Cambodia | vote6 Adam Peake, Japan | vote7 Ramesh, Singapore | vote8 Gopi K Garge, India | | No. 2 Nominee: James Lee, Kent Ridge Digital Labs, Singapore | vote1 Norbert Klein, Cambodia | | No. 3 Nominee: Rajesh Sreenavasan, Rajah & Tan, Singapore | vote1 Bernard Randall, Singapore | vote2 Teoh Swee Leng, Singapore | vote3 Lau Joon-Nie, Singapore | vote4 Patrick Ong Kok Seng, Singapore | | No. 4 Nominee: Gilbert Leong, Legal Officer, Singapore | vote1 Lau Joon-Nie, Singapore | | No. 5 Nominee: Charles Lim, Attoney General Chamber, Singapore | vote1 James Lee, Singapore | | No. 6 Nominee: Professor Dr Srisakdi Charmonman, APNIC Council, Thailand | Vote 1 Leni Mayo, Australia | | No. 7 Nominee: Shariya Haniz Zulkifli, MIMOS, Malaysia | | No. 8 Nominee: Patrick Fair, Philips Fox Lawyers, Australia | vote1 Luke Carruthers, Australia | vote2 Peter Gerrand, Australia | vote3 Clive Flory, Australia | vote4 Laurence Quinlivan, Australia | vote5 Erika Roberts, Australia | | No. 9 Nominee: Patrick J O'Brien, Domainz, NZ | vote1 Pensri Charoenchai, Thailand. | | No.10 Nominee: Tan Tin Wee, NUS, Singapore | vote1 James Lee, Singapore | vote2 Samuel P. Mallare, Phillipines | vote3 Laurence Quinlivan, Australia | | No.11 Nominee: Tan Tee Jim, Allen & Gledhill, Singapore | vote1 Ang Peng Hwa, Singapore | | No.12 Nominee: Gabriel Accascina, Programme Manager/Regional Coordinator, | APDIP | | No. 13 Nominee: Dr Ching-chun Hsieh, Research fellow of the Institute of | Information, Science, Academia Sinica | | No. 16 Nominee: Dr Paul Liu, Prof.,Grauate Institute of Technology and | Innovation Management, National Chengchi University | | No. 17 Nominee: Peter Dengate Thrush, patent attorney, now | barrister-sole, specialising in intellectual property matters, NZ | vote1 Patrick J O'Brien, New Zealand | vote1 Jim Higgins, Wellington | | No. 18 Nominee: Harish Pillay, Brokat Asia, Singapore | vote1 Adam Peake, Japan | | | No. 19 Kanchana Kanchanasut, Asian Institute of Technology, Thailand | proposer : Pornthep Narula, National Electronics and | Computer Technology Center (NECTEC) | | | Regards, | eleazer chia | APIA Secretariat | Asia & Pacific Internet Association (APIA) | apia-sec@apia.org http://www.apia.org | tel: +65 834-2960 fax: +65 836-2516 | promoting the common business interests of the region's internet-related | service industry | ~~~ a forum for dialogue, a channel for input ~~~ | | Mathias Koerber | Tel: +65 / 471 9820 | mathias@staff.singnet.com.sg SingNet NOC | Fax: +65 / 475 3273 | mathias@koerber.org Q'town Tel. 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